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EAST RUTHERFORD — Toward the end of his press availability in February at the NFL Scouting Combine, Giants head coach Ben McAdoo offered a full-throated vote of confidence for running back Andre Williams, cautioning the world not to give up on the 2014 fourth-round pick. Back home, Williams heard his coach's words, and smiled. "I just wholeheartedly agree with him," Williams said Monday after the Giants' first organized team activities practice. "That just gave me a little extra gas in the tank to realize there's a lot of naysayers, but the people in your corner, they're not the ones outside. "They know what's really going on inside, and what you're capable of. I know what I'm capable of, and I'm just looking forward to being able to show it on the field this year."... |
But I don't see it. He's too slow, and not quick enough to be an NFL runningback. I don't understand why the coaching staff likes him so much.
This is a picture of him last year. I don't think you can say he is out of shape.
Williams had just 88 carries for 257 yards and a touchdown last year, averaging a paltry 2.9 yards-per-carry. There definitely is a case to be made the Giants did not always put Williams in the best position to succeed. For example, he received a carry on 56 percent of his snaps, as compared to Rashad Jennings' 45 percent carry ratio over almost three times as many snaps - a pretty big giveaway to defenses of what was coming.
Agreed. He's not a "something out of nothing" guy at all.
"He now checks in at 220 pounds. The lost weight should allow him to slam into the backs of his blockers with more velocity."
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Just what I was thinking. Last year he looked just like Ron Dayne.
Williams has been historically bad. He has been outperformed by a huge number of NFL RBs with significantly worse OLs then the Giants have had the past two years.
If he plays well, great, but I don't want the Giants to burn a roster spot in 2016 just to find out.
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But Tim Carter never did dominate, did he?
Hopefully he will produce results on the field. Hopefully for him too, to work so hard and not succeed, that's tough.
Hey, if a player gives his all and falls short, at least everyone knows it wasn't because he was a slug.
Williams had just 88 carries for 257 yards and a touchdown last year, averaging a paltry 2.9 yards-per-carry. There definitely is a case to be made the Giants did not always put Williams in the best position to succeed. For example, he received a carry on 56 percent of his snaps, as compared to Rashad Jennings' 45 percent carry ratio over almost three times as many snaps - a pretty big giveaway to defenses of what was coming.
AW's lack of vision is one thing, but the OC should be blamed for obvious tells in our play calls. Remind me again, who that was?
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the problem loud and clear. With no ability whatsoever to be a capable receiver and the ineffective RB carousel we had, the Defense is basically sitting there ready for Williams to pound the rock the moment he enters the game. Unless he improves his patience into the line and shows he can catch a ball, I don't see this guy sticking for too long...
Williams had just 88 carries for 257 yards and a touchdown last year, averaging a paltry 2.9 yards-per-carry. There definitely is a case to be made the Giants did not always put Williams in the best position to succeed. For example, he received a carry on 56 percent of his snaps, as compared to Rashad Jennings' 45 percent carry ratio over almost three times as many snaps - a pretty big giveaway to defenses of what was coming.
AW's lack of vision is one thing, but the OC should be blamed for obvious tells in our play calls. Remind me again, who that was?
He can't catch. The other two primary RBs can. He is a straight ahead runner on a team without an above average tight end. What do you think the LBs and Safeties will do when they see him come into the game?
e him come into the game?
Hate to say it but I agree with you.
Hope I'm wrong.
People have gotten so fixated on the quick fix RB that comes along in year one and dominates. That's not the norm. Plenty of RBs needed time to mature and reach their potential.
"He now checks in at 220 pounds. The lost weight should allow him to slam into the backs of his blockers with more velocity." Link - ( New Window )
That is some funny stuff right there.
People have gotten so fixated on the quick fix RB that comes along in year one and dominates. That's not the norm. Plenty of RBs needed time to mature and reach their potential.
Oh, sure you can! ;-)
While it's entirely possible A. Williams may even have a good game or two, the likelihood of him being a consistently productive NFL RB has dwindled to slim and none. It's not an issue of wanting a quick fix, but of not wasting a limited roster spot if there are RB's in camp who can be more productive.
Maybe, he lost all that weight, catching balls in the off season?
Maybe, he lost all that weight, catching balls in the off season?
Was he a 4th round reach, or does "reach" only apply to 6th round picks?
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but I can't give up on him yet. I need to see him suck one more season before I cut bait. The guy has the body and wheels to believe he could be a dangerous RB if the light bulb ever flashed on and the game slowed down for him.
People have gotten so fixated on the quick fix RB that comes along in year one and dominates. That's not the norm. Plenty of RBs needed time to mature and reach their potential.
Oh, sure you can! ;-)
While it's entirely possible A. Williams may even have a good game or two, the likelihood of him being a consistently productive NFL RB has dwindled to slim and none. It's not an issue of wanting a quick fix, but of not wasting a limited roster spot if there are RB's in camp who can be more productive.
Slim and none? You're kidding right? You know for a fact that Williams will fail to improve? No you don't.
I'd still like to see him in year 3 or at least see him get one more shot in camp. And he will. If he emerges in September we hope that the 3rd year player blows up.
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but I can't give up on him yet. I need to see him suck one more season before I cut bait. The guy has the body and wheels to believe he could be a dangerous RB if the light bulb ever flashed on and the game slowed down for him.
People have gotten so fixated on the quick fix RB that comes along in year one and dominates. That's not the norm. Plenty of RBs needed time to mature and reach their potential.
Oh, sure you can! ;-)
While it's entirely possible A. Williams may even have a good game or two, the likelihood of him being a consistently productive NFL RB has dwindled to slim and none. It's not an issue of wanting a quick fix, but of not wasting a limited roster spot if there are RB's in camp who can be more productive.
Slim and none? You're kidding right? You know for a fact that Williams will fail to improve? No you don't.
That's what the slim is for! ;-)
But I absolutely agree he should be in camp. There's enough room there for a good RB squad to emerge, but if the same tendencies I described are still evident, a RB slot among the final roster would be better spent on production, rather than waiting for "potential" to arrive.
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Was he a 4th round reach, or does "reach" only apply to 6th round picks?
Did I call him a reach?
Until he learns to open his eyes and find creases instead of running into the backs of blockers, I just don't see him as a valuable RB for us. We already know he doesn't have the hands to be a true WCO receiving threat out of the backfield
Well stated. You described AW perfectly. Well, you left out his bizarre tendency to turn not only his head, but his whole body backwards in anticipation of contact. And it is not like he is nimble when he is turning or moving laterally. He basically looses all his momentum by the time he finishes turning, and his feet are barely moving.
I mean, seriously, how can you juke someone you have your back to? You can't even see where they are.
but He Needs a Hole to run through and with
no improvement on the Right side of the line
It will be more of the Same .
3rd year is make or break I think Ben just
wanted to Motivate him .
I don't think he would have been drafted under
the new regime ...
He's gna show out in preseason with all the opportunity's he'll have,because Jennings isn't going to get many carries and neither is Vareen.
It's going to be a heavy workload between Williams,Darkwa,and Perkins this preseason.
The best 2 stay and the odd man out most likely goes unless he can contribute meaningful snaps on specials,wich Darkwa showed he could late last season.
Plus there's just something about the confidence and physicality he runs with.
IMO he should have started most of thos mid to late season games before Jennings got hot and an actual opportunity to Be the main back.
Before that Darkwa showed promise and flashes that deserved more playing time/carries imo.
But some of the decisions last season were questionable at best to say the least.
It was un Caughlin like wich signaled the beginning of the end early on and continued throughout the year.
"He now checks in at 220 pounds. The lost weight should allow him to slam into the backs of his blockers with more velocity." Link - ( New Window )
This is hilarious...
Williams was drafted in the fourth round we all say something of the talent he has early on. Then he just seemed to be running into a stone wall every time he touches the ball. Jennings seemed to have awaken from a most of the season slumber late but is that once again an end of lost season player mirage. Darkwa has also not done much with the chances he has been given which is a surprise to many or some of us. Vereen is not built to be the feature back but he has been pretty good in his role so far, not real sure how much more he can do. Perkins who has yet to wear a uniform is already being talked up as if he will make all the other guys unnecessary.
Today we have seven guys listed on the roster but none of them has done anything to say it's my starting position as this new season begins. Is Jennings the favorite maybe but he still needs to prove he is the man. The rest are all going to have to prove they belong on the team but Williams has as much of a shot as any of them.
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"He now checks in at 220 pounds. The lost weight should allow him to slam into the backs of his blockers with more velocity." Link - ( New Window )
This is hilarious...
That's just being mean