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RB Andre Williams determined to prove Ben McAdoo right

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/24/2016 9:09 am
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EAST RUTHERFORD — Toward the end of his press availability in February at the NFL Scouting Combine, Giants head coach Ben McAdoo offered a full-throated vote of confidence for running back Andre Williams, cautioning the world not to give up on the 2014 fourth-round pick.

Back home, Williams heard his coach's words, and smiled.

"I just wholeheartedly agree with him," Williams said Monday after the Giants' first organized team activities practice. "That just gave me a little extra gas in the tank to realize there's a lot of naysayers, but the people in your corner, they're not the ones outside.

"They know what's really going on inside, and what you're capable of. I know what I'm capable of, and I'm just looking forward to being able to show it on the field this year."...

Giants RB Andre Williams determined to prove Ben McAdoo right - ( New Window )
We can only hope so.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/24/2016 9:12 am : link
He needs to get quicker and needs to improve his vision. Nobody will ever question his work ethic but those are some tough obstacles to overcome.
He lost quite a bit of weight based on reports  
jcn56 : 5/24/2016 9:14 am : link
Which makes you wonder - was he told to maintain that weight, or was he out of shape?
I hope he proves me wrong  
crackerjack465 : 5/24/2016 9:14 am : link
and rushes for 1,200 yards and 10 tds this year. Shows the same production he had at BC...

But I don't see it. He's too slow, and not quick enough to be an NFL runningback. I don't understand why the coaching staff likes him so much.
Williams is the kind of guy  
Old Dirty Beckham : 5/24/2016 9:17 am : link
that needs a line that gets him a head of steam. He'd be very difficult to bring down with a head of steam in the secondary.
Nice shout-out to the Korean food in Palisades Park.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/24/2016 9:19 am : link
Anyway, I don't think he was out of shape - just seriously muscled-up. Not saying it was Palmieri's fault... well, OK - everything was Palmieri's fault.
RE: He lost quite a bit of weight based on reports  
robbieballs2003 : 5/24/2016 9:23 am : link
In comment 12968993 jcn56 said:
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Which makes you wonder - was he told to maintain that weight, or was he out of shape?




This is a picture of him last year. I don't think you can say he is out of shape.
Hoping Williams turns it around, but this article points out  
Jimmy Googs : 5/24/2016 9:23 am : link
the problem loud and clear. With no ability whatsoever to be a capable receiver and the ineffective RB carousel we had, the Defense is basically sitting there ready for Williams to pound the rock the moment he enters the game. Unless he improves his patience into the line and shows he can catch a ball, I don't see this guy sticking for too long...


Williams had just 88 carries for 257 yards and a touchdown last year, averaging a paltry 2.9 yards-per-carry. There definitely is a case to be made the Giants did not always put Williams in the best position to succeed. For example, he received a carry on 56 percent of his snaps, as compared to Rashad Jennings' 45 percent carry ratio over almost three times as many snaps - a pretty big giveaway to defenses of what was coming.
He's just not built for a WCO  
USAF NYG Fan : 5/24/2016 9:25 am : link
I've said time and time again that I think he could excel in the league, just not on a WCO. He can't catch. He's a wear a defense down type of runner for a run first type team. Unfortunately for him, it's a pass first league now. I wish him luck but I'm not at all excited to see him on the Giants this year. I'll be disappointed if he makes the final 53.
Someday  
Glover : 5/24/2016 9:56 am : link
he will be gone. And we will wonder what TF took so long.
OK, so we can cross out of shape off the list  
jcn56 : 5/24/2016 10:00 am : link
but even if it was 20 lbs of muscle, it's bound to slow him down a bit. Maybe he'll be better off having shedding the extra muscle.
RE: Williams is the kind of guy  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/24/2016 10:01 am : link
In comment 12968995 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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that needs a line that gets him a head of steam. He'd be very difficult to bring down with a head of steam in the secondary.


Agreed. He's not a "something out of nothing" guy at all.
I read in another article  
TJ : 5/24/2016 10:18 am : link
Williams has gone from a 36 to a 32 waist while losing only 10 pounds from 230 to 220. I don't think the mere loss of 10 lbs can take 4 inches off a waist. He must be much more fit this year.
Let's see how he looks  
Shadow : 5/24/2016 10:25 am : link
With a run zone blocking scheme before we burry him. Lateral movement will be the key.
love this quote on Williams' weight loss...  
Mike in St. Louis : 5/24/2016 10:26 am : link
from Rotoworld...

"He now checks in at 220 pounds. The lost weight should allow him to slam into the backs of his blockers with more velocity."
Link - ( New Window )
RE: We can only hope so.  
mrvax : 5/24/2016 10:27 am : link
In comment 12968991 robbieballs2003 said:
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He needs to get quicker and needs to improve his vision. Nobody will ever question his work ethic but those are some tough obstacles to overcome.


Just what I was thinking. Last year he looked just like Ron Dayne.
Since the merger, the guy is the third worst RB in yards/attempt  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/24/2016 10:32 am : link
...for RBs with over 300 career carries. The only non-fullbacks worse than he has been are Louis Carter (TB 1975-78) and Jonathan Wells (Texans 2002-05).

Williams has been historically bad. He has been outperformed by a huge number of NFL RBs with significantly worse OLs then the Giants have had the past two years.

If he plays well, great, but I don't want the Giants to burn a roster spot in 2016 just to find out.

Pro-Football Reference - yds/att for RBs with over 300 carries post-merger - ( New Window )
Attitude and work ethic  
ij_reilly : 5/24/2016 10:52 am : link
seem to be on point.

But Tim Carter never did dominate, did he?

Hopefully he will produce results on the field. Hopefully for him too, to work so hard and not succeed, that's tough.

Hey, if a player gives his all and falls short, at least everyone knows it wasn't because he was a slug.
RE: Hoping Williams turns it around, but this article points out  
SHO'NUFF : 5/24/2016 10:54 am : link
In comment 12969007 Jimmy Googs said:
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the problem loud and clear. With no ability whatsoever to be a capable receiver and the ineffective RB carousel we had, the Defense is basically sitting there ready for Williams to pound the rock the moment he enters the game. Unless he improves his patience into the line and shows he can catch a ball, I don't see this guy sticking for too long...


Williams had just 88 carries for 257 yards and a touchdown last year, averaging a paltry 2.9 yards-per-carry. There definitely is a case to be made the Giants did not always put Williams in the best position to succeed. For example, he received a carry on 56 percent of his snaps, as compared to Rashad Jennings' 45 percent carry ratio over almost three times as many snaps - a pretty big giveaway to defenses of what was coming.


AW's lack of vision is one thing, but the OC should be blamed for obvious tells in our play calls. Remind me again, who that was?
Patience  
Gints57 : 5/24/2016 11:14 am : link
The obsession with discarding young players too quickly is fan myopia. Yes Williams has bad numbers but the run blocking performance of the offensive line has been atrocious during that same period. I would agree that his roster spot is not assured but the Giants do have a need for a big push-the-pile back and it looks to me like they want to give him that chance to be that guy. He seems to be working hard to seize the opportunity. Still might not happen, but personally I want to see what the sleeker Williams version looks like running before we write him off.
The problems I see with . . . .  
TC : 5/24/2016 11:21 am : link
A. Williams have nothing to do with his physical condition, a bad attitude or the predictability of play calling when he's in the game. He has horrible balance, poor vision, not very good body control, and his instinct upon first contact other than in a dive play is to stop and try to figure out what to do next.
RE: RE: Hoping Williams turns it around, but this article points out  
Jimmy Googs : 5/24/2016 11:33 am : link
In comment 12969239 SHO'NUFF said:
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In comment 12969007 Jimmy Googs said:


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the problem loud and clear. With no ability whatsoever to be a capable receiver and the ineffective RB carousel we had, the Defense is basically sitting there ready for Williams to pound the rock the moment he enters the game. Unless he improves his patience into the line and shows he can catch a ball, I don't see this guy sticking for too long...


Williams had just 88 carries for 257 yards and a touchdown last year, averaging a paltry 2.9 yards-per-carry. There definitely is a case to be made the Giants did not always put Williams in the best position to succeed. For example, he received a carry on 56 percent of his snaps, as compared to Rashad Jennings' 45 percent carry ratio over almost three times as many snaps - a pretty big giveaway to defenses of what was coming.



AW's lack of vision is one thing, but the OC should be blamed for obvious tells in our play calls. Remind me again, who that was?


He can't catch. The other two primary RBs can. He is a straight ahead runner on a team without an above average tight end. What do you think the LBs and Safeties will do when they see him come into the game?

e him come into the game?
RE: Someday  
Danny Kanell : 5/24/2016 11:52 am : link
In comment 12969094 Glover said:
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he will be gone. And we will wonder what TF took so long.


Hate to say it but I agree with you.

Hope I'm wrong.
no one blasted Williams more than I did the last two years  
djm : 5/24/2016 11:55 am : link
but I can't give up on him yet. I need to see him suck one more season before I cut bait. The guy has the body and wheels to believe he could be a dangerous RB if the light bulb ever flashed on and the game slowed down for him.

People have gotten so fixated on the quick fix RB that comes along in year one and dominates. That's not the norm. Plenty of RBs needed time to mature and reach their potential.

RE: love this quote on Williams' weight loss...  
BlueHurricane : 5/24/2016 12:17 pm : link
In comment 12969175 Mike in St. Louis said:
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from Rotoworld...

"He now checks in at 220 pounds. The lost weight should allow him to slam into the backs of his blockers with more velocity." Link - ( New Window )


That is some funny stuff right there.
RE: no one blasted Williams more than I did the last two years  
TC : 5/24/2016 12:26 pm : link
In comment 12969320 djm said:
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but I can't give up on him yet. I need to see him suck one more season before I cut bait. The guy has the body and wheels to believe he could be a dangerous RB if the light bulb ever flashed on and the game slowed down for him.

People have gotten so fixated on the quick fix RB that comes along in year one and dominates. That's not the norm. Plenty of RBs needed time to mature and reach their potential.


Oh, sure you can! ;-)

While it's entirely possible A. Williams may even have a good game or two, the likelihood of him being a consistently productive NFL RB has dwindled to slim and none. It's not an issue of wanting a quick fix, but of not wasting a limited roster spot if there are RB's in camp who can be more productive.

I agree....  
Doomster : 5/24/2016 12:30 pm : link
With him in the game you either make the play obvious, a run, or you take away a weapon, a pass receiver....and for a guy who likes to hit people when running(especially his own), he comes up short in the pass blocking department...not that he can't block, it's just that by the time he figures out who to block, it's too late...

Maybe, he lost all that weight, catching balls in the off season?
RE: I agree....  
Klaatu : 5/24/2016 12:33 pm : link
In comment 12969387 Doomster said:
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With him in the game you either make the play obvious, a run, or you take away a weapon, a pass receiver....and for a guy who likes to hit people when running(especially his own), he comes up short in the pass blocking department...not that he can't block, it's just that by the time he figures out who to block, it's too late...

Maybe, he lost all that weight, catching balls in the off season?


Was he a 4th round reach, or does "reach" only apply to 6th round picks?
RE: RE: no one blasted Williams more than I did the last two years  
djm : 5/24/2016 12:56 pm : link
In comment 12969377 TC said:
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In comment 12969320 djm said:


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but I can't give up on him yet. I need to see him suck one more season before I cut bait. The guy has the body and wheels to believe he could be a dangerous RB if the light bulb ever flashed on and the game slowed down for him.

People have gotten so fixated on the quick fix RB that comes along in year one and dominates. That's not the norm. Plenty of RBs needed time to mature and reach their potential.




Oh, sure you can! ;-)

While it's entirely possible A. Williams may even have a good game or two, the likelihood of him being a consistently productive NFL RB has dwindled to slim and none. It's not an issue of wanting a quick fix, but of not wasting a limited roster spot if there are RB's in camp who can be more productive.


Slim and none? You're kidding right? You know for a fact that Williams will fail to improve? No you don't.
averaging 2.9 ypc  
area junc : 5/24/2016 1:01 pm : link
on 88 carries is hard 2 believe. thats just poor vision, instincts whatever u want to call it
it's very bad  
djm : 5/24/2016 1:09 pm : link
it's lousy. terrible.

I'd still like to see him in year 3 or at least see him get one more shot in camp. And he will. If he emerges in September we hope that the 3rd year player blows up.
no offense to the kid, he seems like a good person  
Stu11 : 5/24/2016 1:29 pm : link
but he should have been cut by now. Its a waste to even use camp reps on a player we have seen enough of in this system to know he's not the goods. Use those reps to find a player who just might be a producer.
RE: RE: RE: no one blasted Williams more than I did the last two years  
TC : 5/24/2016 1:39 pm : link
In comment 12969425 djm said:
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In comment 12969377 TC said:


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In comment 12969320 djm said:


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but I can't give up on him yet. I need to see him suck one more season before I cut bait. The guy has the body and wheels to believe he could be a dangerous RB if the light bulb ever flashed on and the game slowed down for him.

People have gotten so fixated on the quick fix RB that comes along in year one and dominates. That's not the norm. Plenty of RBs needed time to mature and reach their potential.




Oh, sure you can! ;-)

While it's entirely possible A. Williams may even have a good game or two, the likelihood of him being a consistently productive NFL RB has dwindled to slim and none. It's not an issue of wanting a quick fix, but of not wasting a limited roster spot if there are RB's in camp who can be more productive.




Slim and none? You're kidding right? You know for a fact that Williams will fail to improve? No you don't.

That's what the slim is for! ;-)

But I absolutely agree he should be in camp. There's enough room there for a good RB squad to emerge, but if the same tendencies I described are still evident, a RB slot among the final roster would be better spent on production, rather than waiting for "potential" to arrive.
Hmmmmm.....  
Doomster : 5/24/2016 1:39 pm : link
RE: I agree....
Klaatu : 12:33 pm : link : reply

Was he a 4th round reach, or does "reach" only apply to 6th round picks?

Did I call him a reach?

I'm very interested to see  
Matt M. : 5/24/2016 2:06 pm : link
who wins the battle for 4th RB between Williams and Darkwa. I would have to think that either gets bumped on the depth chart by Perkins.
I would welcome being wrong about AW  
mfsd : 5/24/2016 2:18 pm : link
and I'll happily eat crow if so - but the offseason is full of stories of guys who get into good shape and have a good attitude who never turn out to be good NFL players

Until he learns to open his eyes and find creases instead of running into the backs of blockers, I just don't see him as a valuable RB for us. We already know he doesn't have the hands to be a true WCO receiving threat out of the backfield
RE: The problems I see with . . . .  
NYDCBlue : 5/24/2016 5:34 pm : link
In comment 12969275 TC said:
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A. Williams have nothing to do with his physical condition, a bad attitude or the predictability of play calling when he's in the game. He has horrible balance, poor vision, not very good body control, and his instinct upon first contact other than in a dive play is to stop and try to figure out what to do next.


Well stated. You described AW perfectly. Well, you left out his bizarre tendency to turn not only his head, but his whole body backwards in anticipation of contact. And it is not like he is nimble when he is turning or moving laterally. He basically looses all his momentum by the time he finishes turning, and his feet are barely moving.

I mean, seriously, how can you juke someone you have your back to? You can't even see where they are.
Only Way he makes it  
Bluesbreaker : 5/24/2016 10:00 pm : link
Is Injuries , I mean I agree Not a Bad Guy
but He Needs a Hole to run through and with
no improvement on the Right side of the line
It will be more of the Same .
3rd year is make or break I think Ben just
wanted to Motivate him .
I don't think he would have been drafted under
the new regime ...
He will be on the final 53  
chillinman1183 : 5/25/2016 12:23 am : link
Mark my words.

He's gna show out in preseason with all the opportunity's he'll have,because Jennings isn't going to get many carries and neither is Vareen.

It's going to be a heavy workload between Williams,Darkwa,and Perkins this preseason.

The best 2 stay and the odd man out most likely goes unless he can contribute meaningful snaps on specials,wich Darkwa showed he could late last season.

Plus there's just something about the confidence and physicality he runs with.

IMO he should have started most of thos mid to late season games before Jennings got hot and an actual opportunity to Be the main back.

Before that Darkwa showed promise and flashes that deserved more playing time/carries imo.

But some of the decisions last season were questionable at best to say the least.

It was un Caughlin like wich signaled the beginning of the end early on and continued throughout the year.
RE: love this quote on Williams' weight loss...  
JPinstripes : 5/25/2016 7:47 am : link
In comment 12969175 Mike in St. Louis said:
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from Rotoworld...

"He now checks in at 220 pounds. The lost weight should allow him to slam into the backs of his blockers with more velocity." Link - ( New Window )


This is hilarious...
Williams  
Dragon : 5/25/2016 12:13 pm : link
Is just like every other HB on this team he could be gone tomorrow or become the starter. Let's not kid ourselves there are very few positions on the Giants that have sure bet A1 starters. He has admitted he disappointed not only himself, the team, the coaches and the fans since over 70% felt he has talent. Is it the wrong offense, offensive line, him or play calls right now all of those could be part of the real problem. This team is very young at HB other than Rainey and Jennings who has not proven much consistently during his time here either and is 31 this year.

Williams was drafted in the fourth round we all say something of the talent he has early on. Then he just seemed to be running into a stone wall every time he touches the ball. Jennings seemed to have awaken from a most of the season slumber late but is that once again an end of lost season player mirage. Darkwa has also not done much with the chances he has been given which is a surprise to many or some of us. Vereen is not built to be the feature back but he has been pretty good in his role so far, not real sure how much more he can do. Perkins who has yet to wear a uniform is already being talked up as if he will make all the other guys unnecessary.

Today we have seven guys listed on the roster but none of them has done anything to say it's my starting position as this new season begins. Is Jennings the favorite maybe but he still needs to prove he is the man. The rest are all going to have to prove they belong on the team but Williams has as much of a shot as any of them.
RE: RE: love this quote on Williams' weight loss...  
AP in Halfmoon : 5/25/2016 12:19 pm : link
In comment 12970231 JPinstripes said:
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In comment 12969175 Mike in St. Louis said:


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from Rotoworld...

"He now checks in at 220 pounds. The lost weight should allow him to slam into the backs of his blockers with more velocity." Link - ( New Window )



This is hilarious...


That's just being mean
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