LET'S TAKE FIRST PLACE!!
Can Harvey finally rebound?
"I'm not a quitter,” Harvey exclusively told ESPN on Monday. “I'm not going to just quit and put the ball down. It's a fight.”
Lucas Duda to the DL. Ty Kelly to the Mets
Travis d'Arnaud (rotator cuff) has started to throw at home in California with no apparent difficulty. He is due to report to the Mets’ complex in Florida midweek. Meanwhile, Zack Wheeler is back throwing off a mound after April surgery to remove an undissolved stitch from his original Tommy John surgery. He remains on track for a return to the majors near July 1. Read more at MLB.com.
Thor is player of the week
I can't even imagine how frustrated he is right now... but you gotta take your medicine and deal with it. Don't leave your catcher out there to dry and make him answer for you. That's shitty.
Agreed.
I mean they could DL Harvey right now, send him to AAA for a few weeks or something (happened to Strasburg last year) and once rediscovering himself he could come back and pitch a dominant second half also. Would really be the same thing.
At this point Im not counting on anything though. Harvey is the 5th starter and its a mess.
Roll with Gilmartin or Verrett in the 5th spot for now and pray we don't need to do the same thing with deGrom soon.
But stuff like walking out on the media says a lot about Matt. I mean, the entire team went out to watch Harvey throw a simulated game a few days ago in support and then he does this. I hate it mostly because it only validates what a prick he is. Believe me, I want to be wrong.
Man. If you would have told me we'd be down Harvey, deGrom, Duda, and TDA heading into the season (deGrom might return to normalcy soon) I would have said we were screwed. We are a deep team but losing two aces and two 800 OPS hitters? Yikes.
Now, their situations are a little different but I truly think that Harvey exacerbates thinks with his attitude. Maybe.
More diva-ness from Harvey is frustrating just from the pov that you'd like to see him grind his way through it and not seem like a phony tough guy. I know he had another rough outing but it happens. He's a highly talented high maintenance pitcher. Wright should throw out his lunch tomorrow.
Just have to pitch through it, whether at this level or in the minors.
It's May. It's early.
They need a few more tough outs.
Honestly so many fans are such a bunch of low level amateur pathetic so called fanatics that they literally ruin watching for some of the rest of us. The overly dramatic...the emotional...the lack of common sense and any visible experience... It's seriously fucking pathetic. It can be frustrating to see it right here on BBI, also to know that there are people out there far worse, and also to know that some players and staff on teams pay attention a bit too much to a single word or thought from anyone.
Then the media....
This guy Mike Vaccaro can seriously eat a dick and rot. Hope the guy has a serious legitimate personal issue. Because its a guy like that who causes players to consider leaving, or not want to come play here. It's this type of hack trash with a typewriter that leads the story and pushes his agenda, and while it would be nice to say "just ignore it", the problem is that I mostly do but most people don't. The trash he wrote tonight is the exact reason why Harvey won't sit and talk to the media. Guys like him are the reason Harvey has to defend his pissing habits because some jerkoff demands an answer for his schedule of urination.
Professional players and coaches are asked to talk to the media as a courtesy and what the media does is spin that to make it something that is mandatory and defining of an athlete's character. Again, same thing happned with Larry Brooks and Dan Boyle. No ne owes this dickback a thing and he can go fuck himself.
If and when Matt Harvey leaves, remember this week and these reactions and these reporters as the reason why. It is a disgrace and sickening....and if you agree with him you're a fucking dumb ass tool as well. I assume that's many of you.
Here's the deal....nothing about Harvey has been true aside from these things:
- Velocity is down
- Thinking too much and missing spots
- Leaving too many balls over and givign up too many hits and homers especially.
Here is what isn't true:
- "He has never accomplished anything" yeah he has. He's been one of the most dominating pitchers in a sport that has a bunch of high level elite ace pitchers. He was 3 outs from a complete game shutout in the World Series. Instead he went 8 and gave it all he had in a season where he threw over 210 innings after TJ surgery. One of the best pitching performances I have ever seen in person and in general and anyone who says otherwise is a liar.
- He doesn't have heart or toughness - so fucking stupid it may not be worthy of an answer but see: last year and every game he has ever pitched.
- He is a baby or a whiner or some nonsense.... Matt Harvey takes the ball and pitches his ass off every time he is supposed to. Every single time. He never wants to come out or come off the field. All of the other shit is media nonsense, made up by the media about their own portrayal of the guy.
Take a look...there are other aces and great pitchers pitching like ASS this season. Just like them, he will be fine and come back pitchig well. And all the media and fans who are in this bullshit right now will be there kissing his ass...Just sad to watch this shit after seeing it with OBJ in a similar way. The whole take down routine is fucking disgusting to watch
Hey, if you want to suck off Harvey and have your own little ESPN photo shoot with they guy while playing "hide the marshmallow" then go for it. But please spare the rest of us your 1000 word diatribe about how awful we are.
Ugh, you are the worst.
Honestly so many fans are such a bunch of low level amateur pathetic so called fanatics that they literally ruin watching for some of the rest of us. The overly dramatic...the emotional...the lack of common sense and any visible experience... It's seriously fucking pathetic. It can be frustrating to see it right here on BBI, also to know that there are people out there far worse, and also to know that some players and staff on teams pay attention a bit too much to a single word or thought from anyone.
Then the media....
This guy Mike Vaccaro can seriously eat a dick and rot. Hope the guy has a serious legitimate personal issue. Because its a guy like that who causes players to consider leaving, or not want to come play here. It's this type of hack trash with a typewriter that leads the story and pushes his agenda, and while it would be nice to say "just ignore it", the problem is that I mostly do but most people don't. The trash he wrote tonight is the exact reason why Harvey won't sit and talk to the media. Guys like him are the reason Harvey has to defend his pissing habits because some jerkoff demands an answer for his schedule of urination.
Professional players and coaches are asked to talk to the media as a courtesy and what the media does is spin that to make it something that is mandatory and defining of an athlete's character. Again, same thing happned with Larry Brooks and Dan Boyle. No ne owes this dickback a thing and he can go fuck himself.
If and when Matt Harvey leaves, remember this week and these reactions and these reporters as the reason why. It is a disgrace and sickening....and if you agree with him you're a fucking dumb ass tool as well. I assume that's many of you.
Here's the deal....nothing about Harvey has been true aside from these things:
- Velocity is down
- Thinking too much and missing spots
- Leaving too many balls over and givign up too many hits and homers especially.
Here is what isn't true:
- "He has never accomplished anything" yeah he has. He's been one of the most dominating pitchers in a sport that has a bunch of high level elite ace pitchers. He was 3 outs from a complete game shutout in the World Series. Instead he went 8 and gave it all he had in a season where he threw over 210 innings after TJ surgery. One of the best pitching performances I have ever seen in person and in general and anyone who says otherwise is a liar.
- He doesn't have heart or toughness - so fucking stupid it may not be worthy of an answer but see: last year and every game he has ever pitched.
- He is a baby or a whiner or some nonsense.... Matt Harvey takes the ball and pitches his ass off every time he is supposed to. Every single time. He never wants to come out or come off the field. All of the other shit is media nonsense, made up by the media about their own portrayal of the guy.
Take a look...there are other aces and great pitchers pitching like ASS this season. Just like them, he will be fine and come back pitchig well. And all the media and fans who are in this bullshit right now will be there kissing his ass...Just sad to watch this shit after seeing it with OBJ in a similar way. The whole take down routine is fucking disgusting to watch
Holy shit your hollier than though fan shtick is old.
It's baseball for God's sake. Lighten up.
If Harvey is sent down to AAA, that might be the most precipitous fall since Cliff Lee.
Lee was sent down to the minors in his mid-late 20's, and the next year he won the Cy Young.
Maybe it's what Harvey needs.
I know he has no answers right now but you still have to stand in there and take the questions and just be honest.. I'm sure it's hard for a guy who has basically never struggled until this point to stand there and say "hey, I'm not a good pitcher right now. I've got to just keep working and figure this out.. " but it's what he should have done.
It's easy to be around and be in the spotlight when things are going good. But how you respond when they aren't is what ultimately tells people the most about your character. I've defended Matt as much as possible and will continue to in most instances and continue rooting for him to get back to what he was before.. but I can't back him on this. It's childish.
As for Harvey... "Dead arm". Easy.
how does it work with rehab? Why did Flores have to wait until yesterday for rehab starts?
I didn't realize he was injured either and questioned it myself, but if he wasn't then just sitting around wouldn't accomplish anything.
Put Harvey on the DL. No throwing for 10 days. Have him make a short start or two in AA, then another 1-2 in AAA. Wait until he looks "better" and then bring him back up. If all goes well, we'll have Harvey back with the team in 25-30 days.
Only other thing from last night was that I find it pretty amusing all of the snarky comments that Met fans made about Murphy once it was clear that he wasn't coming back. Guy was a good Met for years, learned a new position for us, and took a huge leap in his game at the perfect time and carried NYM to a WS berth and a pennant. I wish he had signed anywhere else (well maybe except NYY) than Washington.
Rubber game today. Matz is better than Roark. Let's get 2 out of 3, and have some positive vibes going into what should be a really fun weekend at Citi.
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Flores was actually injured. lol
how does it work with rehab? Why did Flores have to wait until yesterday for rehab starts?
I didn't realize he was injured either and questioned it myself, but if he wasn't then just sitting around wouldn't accomplish anything.
Eh. I dont know. He might have had something little so they gave him so rest. Might also be a situation where if they really needed him they could have left him on the roster. Who knows?
That's his shtick.. does it all year long on the Rangers threads too.
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Campbell? Wtf? And Plawecki is just as bad. Automatic outs. Ugh.
They ought to give that Kelly kid a chance. TDA cant be back soon enough so Kplaw can rake in Vegas
Wrong. D'arnaud can't stay far enough away from this team. The dude fucking sucks. He's always hurt, his defense sucks and he's a .250 hitter on his best day. To say the mets need a legit catcher is an understatement.
Utley wasn't on the fucking phillies last year, he was on the dodgers. Don't you remember him breaking tejadas leg in the playoffs? What the fuck are you babbling about anyway? He drilled somebody in the back and that bothered you and makes him a pussy?
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First, relax, or take Harveys cock out of your mouth. As fans, we all want Harvey to turn it around. Here's when I started to feel Harvey was a bit of a pussy. Last year, playing the Phils and I think Utley hit a HR and a double his first 2 at bats. So what did our ace do next time he was up? He f'n hit him in the back and stared him down like he was tough. That bothered the hell out of me
Utley wasn't on the fucking phillies last year, he was on the dodgers. Don't you remember him breaking tejadas leg in the playoffs? What the fuck are you babbling about anyway? He drilled somebody in the back and that bothered you and makes him a pussy?
Actually, Utley did play for the Phillies last year. He was traded to the Dodgers mid-season. Relax.
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First, relax, or take Harveys cock out of your mouth. As fans, we all want Harvey to turn it around. Here's when I started to feel Harvey was a bit of a pussy. Last year, playing the Phils and I think Utley hit a HR and a double his first 2 at bats. So what did our ace do next time he was up? He f'n hit him in the back and stared him down like he was tough. That bothered the hell out of me
Utley wasn't on the fucking phillies last year, he was on the dodgers. Don't you remember him breaking tejadas leg in the playoffs? What the fuck are you babbling about anyway? He drilled somebody in the back and that bothered you and makes him a pussy?
If you're going to be an ass, at least be right.
Utley was traded to the Dodgers from the Phillies in August last season
I want all the Mets pitchers to do that actually. Or throw it around eye level
In 13 starts since his return from the DL, Strasburg put up a 1.76 ERA, 12 walks (1.32 BB/9), 110 Ks (12.07 K/9) and a .175/.208/.292 line against in 82 innings.
"It's been really good," Nats' skipper Matt Williams said. "It's health-related. It always has been. And I think he's just finished as strong as he could possibly finish."
Nationals' GM Mike Rizzo said the same in a recent MLB Network Radio interview, explaining that the ankle injury Strasburg suffered this Spring was behind his early-season struggles.
"He started off the season poorly with the ankle injury," Rizzo said, "and the ankle injury affected him more than we thought it would, more than he thought it would. It was really a precursor to all the back spasm stuff he had.
"Thank god he didn't change his mechanics and arm angle to the point that he would hurt his arm because of his ankle. But the ankle had a huge part of his early struggles."
Entire article Oct 2, 2015 - ( New Window )
I don't think there's usually a minor tweak that fixes something like that. He needs to take 2 weeks off, work his way back slowly, and most importantly clear his mind to stop pressing. Collins said "this is the first time we've seen him press" and that was like 6 weeks ago. I can imagine he's even deeper in a hole mentally right now. Best thing they could probably do for him is send him to port st lonely to clear his mind and get some work in. That or a fighting pit in some remote desert.
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I wish I had more insight on what Strasburg was going through last year. It would help me to draw a comparison because the similar numbers don't mean much to me.
In 13 starts since his return from the DL, Strasburg put up a 1.76 ERA, 12 walks (1.32 BB/9), 110 Ks (12.07 K/9) and a .175/.208/.292 line against in 82 innings.
"It's been really good," Nats' skipper Matt Williams said. "It's health-related. It always has been. And I think he's just finished as strong as he could possibly finish."
Nationals' GM Mike Rizzo said the same in a recent MLB Network Radio interview, explaining that the ankle injury Strasburg suffered this Spring was behind his early-season struggles.
"He started off the season poorly with the ankle injury," Rizzo said, "and the ankle injury affected him more than we thought it would, more than he thought it would. It was really a precursor to all the back spasm stuff he had.
"Thank god he didn't change his mechanics and arm angle to the point that he would hurt his arm because of his ankle. But the ankle had a huge part of his early struggles." Entire article Oct 2, 2015 - ( New Window )
Thanks Sphinx. So what that tells me is that aside from their weirdly similar numbers, their situations are completely different.
Strasburg's issues was a health/injury related issue. Harvey's issues are not health/injury related.
Somehow, that doesn't make me feel any better. At least they could pin-point what was affecting Strasburg. With Harvey, they are all just lost.
That's baseball Suzyn
just hope it isn't at the cost of W's.
Every win counts especially now that the Nats are playing like most expected they would play last year.