NFT: Mets and Nats Game 2 Mets chat 5/24

Not going to make the same mistake I made last week and say I have any feeling about Harvey tonight... just going to cross my fingers and keep hoping it clicks and he turns it around.

If he has another bad one tonight I think they'll shut him down for a couple weeks. Let's hope that's not the case.

we all need it

and we end up sweeping those fucks sending them into a tailspin.

If not?

Well. We'll still have a good shot at 2 of 3.

to field some groundballs..

I'd be ok with Rivera a s the defensive catcher and TDA as our new first baseman.

Should I buy low on Harvey?

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Should I buy low on Harvey?

Considering Gordon's ban, definitely.

last night's beatdown happening, but glad it did. Winning Colon @ Gio totally flips the expectations for this series. Really solid chance now at winning 2 out of 3, and maybe we can get greedy if NYM can win tonight.

Cespedes is playing like an MVP candidate. Glad that they kept him. Also nice to see some pop out of Walker and Wright. We're going to need both of them with Duda and TDA down for a while.

I really hope Harvey pitches well tonight. I'm not sure I can stand another dramatic media cycle breaking down his struggles.

love to see the Mets be proactive and talk to Cespedes soon. The guy is fucking amazing. It's now enough sample size for me to believe that at worst he's "very good all-star" status and closer to a true superstar. He's been "best offensive Met ever" level good as a member of the Mets (97 games).

If so, please post. Thanks in advance.

By rights, he should've signed for $25m a year somewhere.

Yeah, I'm going to be disappointed if the Mets don't make a serious effort to get Cespedes locked up. He's a star and he looks like he's found his home here.

on with Cespedes. He cant possibly stay at this torrid pace forever right? The guy has never once in his career shown anything even close to this kind of ability.

I wanted Cespedes at the deadline more than anyone but this is absolutely mind boggling.

Trevor Plouffe offensively to Mike Trout over night.

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Yeah, I'm going to be disappointed if the Mets don't make a serious effort to get Cespedes locked up. He's a star and he looks like he's found his home here.

This. Happiness at work will increase performance.

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on with Cespedes. He cant possibly stay at this torrid pace forever right? The guy has never once in his career shown anything even close to this kind of ability. I wanted Cespedes at the deadline more than anyone but this is absolutely mind boggling.

while he has performed above his ability. Certain players like him thrive in the limelight. Some guys get that extra boost playing in big cities and big crowds. Cespedes seems to be one of those guys.

He has always had huge amounts of talent but it was staying focused and pitch selection that was holding him back. I think he has made huge strides in terms of laying of the high fastball. He knows he can't hit it so even if it is a strike from time to time he is just laying off that pitch. He still fishes for bad breaking balls in the dirt but laying off the high fastball is going to draw him a lot more walks and give him better pitches to hit which will improve all his career #'s.

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love to see the Mets be proactive and talk to Cespedes soon. The guy is fucking amazing. It's now enough sample size for me to believe that at worst he's "very good all-star" status and closer to a true superstar. He's been "best offensive Met ever" level good as a member of the Mets (97 games).

Yeah - I think we can move past the notion that his amazing run last season was just a hot streak. Maybe he won't be hitting at this current pace (32 HRs in 97 games with the Mets), but he's good for at least 32-40 HRs a year. On top of that, he embraces (and excels in) the limelight in a way that guys like Piazza or Reyes did (and unlike Beltran who met with reluctance). Unfortunately, I'm still skeptical that the Mets will offer him anything more than 3-4 years and I can see other teams coming in and giving him 5+.

But wouldn't it behoove the Mets to see what he does in the playoffs this year (provided they make it) before locking him up long term?

And Im not suggesting Long is some miracle worker, but Cespedes OBP is the highest its ever been. He is walking a lot more. Considering Long's(organization?) whole thing is "hunting for pitches", ect I have to think its rubbed off on him some.

agree. He comes up in huge spots. He has a flair for the dramatic. Yeah he's not quite Bryce Harper or Mike Trout or Manny Machado but if you had an MVP vote today he'd be in the mix. While he may be peaking later than some it wouldn't be the first time that has ever happened (Jose Bautista to name one).

We still dont know if he is the type of guy that will not try as hard if given a longer contract. Maybe this production is directly related to him playing "balls out" to get that next big contract. IMO, this is playing out exactly how Sandy wants.

Im thrilled. Some people "arrive" later then others, but Im still a tad cautious. He still hasn't done it over a full year yet and has had a career of streakiness.

I just hope an 0 for a month isn't on the horizon. Fans would lose their shit I think. Expectations have been raised beyond belief.

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But wouldn't it behoove the Mets to see what he does in the playoffs this year (provided they make it) before locking him up long term?

Nope. You don't judge a player based on a minuscule sample size vs. everything he has done to get you there. A-Rod is a career .259 post-season hitter, David Wright .198.

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Im thrilled. Some people "arrive" later then others, but Im still a tad cautious. He still hasn't done it over a full year yet and has had a career of streakiness. I just hope an 0 for a month isn't on the horizon. Fans would lose their shit I think. Expectations have been raised beyond belief.

A 3.5 fWAR Cespedes is worth essentially 25 million per in todays market. He'd have to really tank beyond belief to not be worth a monster salary. The years/age are always a concern but if that's the case you will never sign/retain superstars.

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But wouldn't it behoove the Mets to see what he does in the playoffs this year (provided they make it) before locking him up long term?

I don't think you can base decisions on what a player is if you put too much stock in the limited samples of playoffs games. It's part of the evaluation, but the 5-600 at bats during the regular season tells the story, not the 16-20 at bats you get in a series. You might not come up with a full roster if you only wanted to sign a team with standout playoff performance numbers.

with Houston, Beltran had one of the best post-seasons in history (my assumption). 8 HR's and 14 RBI in 12 games. he batted .435 with a 1.55 OPS.

I don't think he was reluctant at all.

He has a career 1.115 playoff OPS.

Nor am I a mets hater (except when they play the Yanks) I have always liked Harvey and thought that he was a legit top 5 Ace until this year. I know that he had TJ in 2014 but he has regressed so much this year (even compared to last season when he came back).

He is just terrible this year. He is a pitching liability for the Mets right now. I am not so sure that its going to get better any time soon.

Now Thor, DeGrom and Matz are all top notch.

Thanks for the groundbreaking analysis.

Wright post-season .198/.311/.319 over 106 PA's
Yoenis Cespedes .277/.303/.426 over 99 PA's.

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Nor am I a mets hater (except when they play the Yanks) I have always liked Harvey and thought that he was a legit top 5 Ace until this year. I know that he had TJ in 2014 but he has regressed so much this year (even compared to last season when he came back). He is just terrible this year. He is a pitching liability for the Mets right now. I am not so sure that its going to get better any time soon. Now Thor, DeGrom and Matz are all top notch.

DeGrom is going through the same thing. His ERA is misleading. This has happened to many starters before. Strasburg this time last year was a carbon copy of 2016 Harvey. I think both of these guys will regain their forms even if it happens in 2017. I think they pitched too many innings last year personally.

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Wright post-season .198/.311/.319 over 106 PA's Yoenis Cespedes .277/.303/.426 over 99 PA's.

I think DW is a bad comparison. Hes never really been a clutch hitter IMO. I guess that works against my argument, but I would preferably like to have my best players perform well when I need them the most. I love Yo, and I hope he signs back and stays with this team for the rest of his career. I just would like to see him play out this season before we go reworking a contract that Sandy just gave him.

he's the type of guy where he needs to feel welcome and loved. It's not like he wasn't loved in other places but its possible he wasnt so quickly embraced by teammates and fans like New York did. Ever since he's joined the Mets, according to the fangraphs article i posted yesterday, he's been playing like a 7 war player. Only 5 hitters last season were 7 war or above, that's a superstar.

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In comment 12969120 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Wright post-season .198/.311/.319 over 106 PA's Yoenis Cespedes .277/.303/.426 over 99 PA's. I think DW is a bad comparison. Hes never really been a clutch hitter IMO. I guess that works against my argument, but I would preferably like to have my best players perform well when I need them the most. I love Yo, and I hope he signs back and stays with this team for the rest of his career. I just would like to see him play out this season before we go reworking a contract that Sandy just gave him.

Thing is, we don't really have time to just let the year play out and evaluate it after.. there's no way he's opting into the last 2 years if the deal we gave him and if he keeps hitting like this, someone else is going to throw him 7 years and close to 200M.

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In comment 12969120 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Wright post-season .198/.311/.319 over 106 PA's Yoenis Cespedes .277/.303/.426 over 99 PA's. I think DW is a bad comparison. Hes never really been a clutch hitter IMO. I guess that works against my argument, but I would preferably like to have my best players perform well when I need them the most. I love Yo, and I hope he signs back and stays with this team for the rest of his career. I just would like to see him play out this season before we go reworking a contract that Sandy just gave him.

"Clutch hitter" ignores everything a player does to get you to that point. Cespedes is a career .277 playoff hitter. In 2 ALDS series with the A's he hit .350 with a .920 OPS. There is absolutely nothing to suggest this is some guy who fails under pressure. As for "reworking". He's the one who would be doing the Mets the "favor". He's opting out after the year, Sandy "reworking" the deal wouldn't be out of the kindness of his heart, it would be the Mets trying to retain a great player before he hits the market (maybe the worst FA market in the last 10+ years).

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he's the type of guy where he needs to feel welcome and loved. It's not like he wasn't loved in other places but its possible he wasnt so quickly embraced by teammates and fans like New York did. Ever since he's joined the Mets, according to the fangraphs article i posted yesterday, he's been playing like a 7 war player. Only 5 hitters last season were 7 war or above, that's a superstar.

That's what Im saying. Im still not sure he's going to maintain it but he's playing like one of the best players in the game right now. Especially offensively.

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In comment 12969125 gmen9892 said: Quote: In comment 12969120 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Wright post-season .198/.311/.319 over 106 PA's Yoenis Cespedes .277/.303/.426 over 99 PA's. I think DW is a bad comparison. Hes never really been a clutch hitter IMO. I guess that works against my argument, but I would preferably like to have my best players perform well when I need them the most. I love Yo, and I hope he signs back and stays with this team for the rest of his career. I just would like to see him play out this season before we go reworking a contract that Sandy just gave him. Thing is, we don't really have time to just let the year play out and evaluate it after.. there's no way he's opting into the last 2 years if the deal we gave him and if he keeps hitting like this, someone else is going to throw him 7 years and close to 200M.

I agree on that part. Its just so hard to evaluate at this point. I feel that one of the reasons why Sandy gave him the short deal was the fear of his work ethic if given a long deal. Which could be one of his biggest motivations this year to play well, to get that next big contract. I hope Sandy can work something out, but I am not sure if he will at such an early juncture, especially after JUST giving him this contract.

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Mets aren't typically big on reunions but Ike Davis is hitting 274/.364/.512 for AAA Round Rock

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with Houston, Beltran had one of the best post-seasons in history (my assumption). 8 HR's and 14 RBI in 12 games. he batted .435 with a 1.55 OPS. I don't think he was reluctant at all. He has a career 1.115 playoff OPS.

I didn't mean so much that he wasn't clutch. Carlos had some great years here, but I always felt like he was not the most comfortable in the spotlight. Guys like Piazza and Ces deal with it in a way that galvanizes a team and its fanbase.

He is going to get a huge monster contract either way. I don't think he's giving us a break just because it's "in-season". Maybe if he went into a brutal cold streak and he started doubting himself I guess.

I think Baseball is one of the few sports where New York has a bit of an advantage over many other cities in how it's a great landing spot and comfort zone for hispanic culture.

42 PA's in the playoffs .200 hitter
Trout 1-12 (.083)
Future HOFer Robinson Cano 217 PA's .222 average
Future 1st ballot HOFer Miguel Cabrera .278 career post-season hitter 235 PA's

You are talking about such a small sample size spread over X season that a player is 2-3 games away from having excellent numbers in the post season.

I think the Mets biggest fear with Cespedes is his age.

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Andy Martino 3 minutes ago Mets aren't typically big on reunions but Ike Davis is hitting 274/.364/.512 for AAA Round Rock

I'd be stunned. They didn't care for Ike's attitude. Also for context his wRC+ is lower than Brandon Nimmo's (would be good for 31st in the PCL if qualified), 31st in wOBA as well

for deGrom and Harvey. I also think they threw too many innings but when you are a sniff away from a WS title, you have to just live with it. There is nothing they could or should have done differently last season.

If I'm not mistaken, when asked, Bochy responded to a question about the Giants winning on a one year on, one year off basis by saying that the pitching staff just does not rebound well after throwing until early November. I'm not an expert but this makes sense to me.

The good news is Matz and Thor should be unaffected by this and we still have Wheeler returning. This is the really nice part about having a rotation of 5 top end talents.

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42 PA's in the playoffs .200 hitter Trout 1-12 (.083) Future HOFer Robinson Cano 217 PA's .222 average Future 1st ballot HOFer Miguel Cabrera .278 career post-season hitter 235 PA's You are talking about such a small sample size spread over X season that a player is 2-3 games away from having excellent numbers in the post season.

Fair enough. I dropped the whole postseason argument. You win on that. I still think the main reason for the short-term deal was less about performance, and more about personality/work ethic. Why else would Yo not have gotten a huge deal that seem to be getting thrown around with such regularity now 'n days? I think that was always Sandy's trepidation, and Im not sure if his stance has changed in that regard. But thats just pure speculation on my part.

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Andy Martino 3 minutes ago Mets aren't typically big on reunions but Ike Davis is hitting 274/.364/.512 for AAA Round Rock

Please no, we talk about slumps on here all the time, but very few players in my Mets fandom history have looked as bad as Ike Davis when he was off. and the word from the beat writers were he was not very coachable when mired in a slump - plus he was supposed to be solid defensively and I didn't see that with him.

Sayonara. good riddance. stay gone and nurse yourself back from valley fever.

they have been pretty darn good from top to bottom
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for deGrom and Harvey. I also think they threw too many innings but when you are a sniff away from a WS title, you have to just live with it. There is nothing they could or should have done differently last season. If I'm not mistaken, when asked, Bochy responded to a question about the Giants winning on a one year on, one year off basis by saying that the pitching staff just does not rebound well after throwing until early November. I'm not an expert but this makes sense to me. The good news is Matz and Thor should be unaffected by this and we still have Wheeler returning. This is the really nice part about having a rotation of 5 top end talents.

Yes and its why Im not eager to trade any of them away. Guys will have down years. Guys will get hurt. Even if just one of Harvey/deGrom gets it going again by the time the year is out we still likely have an awesome top 4 for the playoffs. The chances of all 5 dominating and healthy every year just in time for the postseason are probably slim to none.

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Best in baseball baby. Really its not even close. ERA, FIP, and WAR.

for Carson Smith, blow to the Red Sox

I wonder how that's working out for him.

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for Carson Smith, blow to the Red Sox

A lot of Mets fans wanted to trade for him.

right now the Red Sox really don't need a bullpen, they're scoring runs at a historic pace.

Jackie Bradley Jr turned into Babe Ruth and Xander Bogeaerts, Ortiz, Betts, etc. are a f-ing murderers row.

I hope it crashes down on them soon. hate when the Red Sox are successful, this town becomes unbearable.

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Yoenis Cespedes is #OnPace to hit 55 homeruns and drive in 133 runs.

last 2 seasons 86.2 innings 57 hits 26 walks 101 k's. The new RA Dickey? lol

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Chris 10m Yoenis Cespedes is #OnPace to hit 55 homeruns and drive in 133 runs.

All with a wRC+ of 186. lol

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last 2 seasons 86.2 innings 57 hits 26 walks 101 k's. The new RA Dickey? lol

I read with the Strasburg extension as of now Rich Hill could be the top FA pitcher on the FA market after the season.

I mean, even if Rich Hill is pitching well, that's a barren FA crop when Rich Hill is the headline name. Edinson Volqez, Bartolo, etc. weak crop.

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last 2 seasons 86.2 innings 57 hits 26 walks 101 k's. The new RA Dickey? lol

He's an amazing story, that 6 start second half was no fluke i guess.

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In comment 12969177 DanMetroMan said: Quote: last 2 seasons 86.2 innings 57 hits 26 walks 101 k's. The new RA Dickey? lol I read with the Strasburg extension as of now Rich Hill could be the top FA pitcher on the FA market after the season. I mean, even if Rich Hill is pitching well, that's a barren FA crop when Rich Hill is the headline name. Edinson Volqez, Bartolo, etc. weak crop.

FA market is truly awful. If you really think about it, Rich Hill might end up a real bargain because of his advanced age.

I have to keep checking if it's the same Rich Hill from 10 years ago because it seems so unlikely.. but it's him. Pretty crazy.

And here I thought that the league has figured him out, he can't hit the high heat, his bat speed is trending for a decline, blah, blah, blah.

Man, the off season was fun, right?

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And here I thought that the league has figured him out, he can't hit the high heat, his bat speed is trending for a decline, blah, blah, blah. Man, the off season was fun, right?

To be fair, the thought was he wouldn't age well "later" not "now" and it didn't come from me.

But his UZR is bad in CF. Its likely going to look pretty ugly by the time the year is out. You take that trade every day of the week but he's still not an ideal CF.

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And here I thought that the league has figured him out, he can't hit the high heat, his bat speed is trending for a decline, blah, blah, blah. Man, the off season was fun, right?

Lol sure was fun here.

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But his UZR is bad in CF. Its likely going to look pretty ugly by the time the year is out. You take that trade every day of the week but he's still not an ideal CF.

if Conforto had another position Ces wold probably be in left, and nobody would mind that.

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In comment 12969206 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: And here I thought that the league has figured him out, he can't hit the high heat, his bat speed is trending for a decline, blah, blah, blah. Man, the off season was fun, right? To be fair, the thought was he wouldn't age well "later" not "now" and it didn't come from me.

Lol, I wasn't pointing fingers. Just reflecting on the conversations and how well he is playing now. Even I didn't see Cespedes being this good. Hope he keeps it up!!! Lord knows we need him to with the rest of the zeros we have in the lineup.

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In comment 12969218 ZGiants98 said: Quote: But his UZR is bad in CF. Its likely going to look pretty ugly by the time the year is out. You take that trade every day of the week but he's still not an ideal CF. if Conforto had another position Ces wold probably be in left, and nobody would mind that.

No of course not. Just saying some of the concerns in the offseason had to do with his ability to play CF. If Ces stays here long term Im betting he shifts into a corner in a year or two anyway. Its all good.

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In comment 12969211 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 12969206 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: And here I thought that the league has figured him out, he can't hit the high heat, his bat speed is trending for a decline, blah, blah, blah. Man, the off season was fun, right? To be fair, the thought was he wouldn't age well "later" not "now" and it didn't come from me. Lol, I wasn't pointing fingers. Just reflecting on the conversations and how well he is playing now. Even I didn't see Cespedes being this good. Hope he keeps it up!!! Lord knows we need him to with the rest of the zeros we have in the lineup.

I know. Im really scared about what a "Cold Ces" would do to this lineup with Duda, TDA, ect. out. Let's hope not!

You're next start will be as a 43 year old

is redonkulous. The end.

are actually lined up for next Saturday. Wow.

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for Carson Smith, blow to the Red Sox

Ouch! I wanted him bad.

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I think the Mets biggest fear with Cespedes is his age.

Didn't expect him to match last season. But this year. Or even next wasn't the issue. And he's still not a CF.
the lack of an attempt to fake a jog to first after a dropped third strike not too long ago. That's the Ces people worry about.

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He is going to get a huge monster contract either way. I don't think he's giving us a break just because it's "in-season". Maybe if he went into a brutal cold streak and he started doubting himself I guess.

Repost from last season?

Ces to play CF long term. Lagares is already signed long term and is great at CF. Granderson's last year is next year and he's already starting to look like a part time player. The CF thing isn't a reason to not extent Cespedes.

I'm thinking Grandy may leave after this year ala Cuddyer if his bat doesn't pick up. He's made 75 mil thru the end of this year and will be 36 before next season starts.

there's a reason he's #2 in war behind kershaw
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Cespedes had a hot month to end the season last year and sucked in the postseason. Id imagine a FULL YEAR of MVP type play (what some people here seem to be suggesting) would absolutely change how is market looked at the end of the season. We are talking wRC+ in the 180s and 50+ HR. And no I still dont share that notion yet. He's going to go cold eventually IMO but anythings possible I guess.

representatives are getting set to talk to the Mets. Meh.
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I like it but he would cost a ton.
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I was amazed seeing so many Mets fans sitting in the Nats park

Wait until tonight. The 7Line is going to the game to support Matt Harvey.

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In comment 12969492 spike said: Quote: I was amazed seeing so many Mets fans sitting in the Nats park Wait until tonight. The 7Line is going to the game to support Matt Harvey.

gonna feel like a home game

we always have good attendance at Camden and nationals park

and its pretty noble for the 7Line army to try and uplift Harvey specifically.

is that if he is going even decently good, the 7 army are the fans that will encourage not boo him. Which may be what he needs mentally. Physically it would be nice to pop a 97mph heater once in a while.

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and its pretty noble for the 7Line army to try and uplift Harvey specifically.

I'll bet there are very few fans who aren't hoping Harvey goes 6 or 7 tonight while giving up just a run or 2.

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Day off for Wright. Granderson 9 Cabrera 6 Conforto 7 Cespedes 8 Walker 5 Campbell 3 Plawecki 2 Kelly 5 Harvey 1.

but I cannot stand Campbell playing every day.

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but I cannot stand Campbell playing every day.

Haven't you mentioned that before?

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In comment 12969604 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: but I cannot stand Campbell playing every day. Haven't you mentioned that before?

yeah, maybe once or twice or twenty times, lol.

All kidding aside, I'd rather try someone else in the minors that is actually hitting the ball...but I know the 40 man rules really limit them. Just tired of trotting out the same ineffective player. He stinks. That being said, maybe he proves me wrong tonight.

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They don't even have an option in AAA outside of TJ Rivera, he of the very limited 1b experience himself. The starting AAA 1b, Marc Krauss is absolutely awful and AA is Dom Smith

Shortsighted thinking on the Mets part...

and he should spell Duda. Not that he was much better than Campbell but I think Flores just needs regular playing time.

in either case, Flores looked good defensively at 1B and I'd rather see him in the lineup than Campbell as the everyday 1B until Duda returns or they get a legit 1B.

Flores [...] as the everyday 1B until Duda returns is a scary thought.

But I think Campbell is the scariest.

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Flores [...] as the everyday 1B until Duda returns is a scary thought.

Because of? He looked great defensively in his limited opportunities and had a track record of hitting well his whole career in the minors (when he was getting regular at-bats) something he did once in the majors - last year and he did pretty well all things considered.

Listening to the radio and I have heard at least 5 Yankee fans call in to say he is and has always been "overhyped" and "lets not pretend he is say....Andy Pettitte".

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Shortsighted thinking on the Mets part...

In their defense I don't think they expected both Flores to start the year absolutely horribly + a Duda major injury. One of these things? Sure. But both... kind of hard to predict. That said they 100% should have looked at someone better than Marc Krauss given the fact we knew Smith wasn't likely going to be able to help the 2016 Mets.

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In comment 12969632 sphinx said: Quote: Flores [...] as the everyday 1B until Duda returns is a scary thought. Because of? He looked great defensively in his limited opportunities and had a track record of hitting well his whole career in the minors (when he was getting regular at-bats) something he did once in the majors - last year and he did pretty well all things considered.

This. I want either Flores or Wright as the regular 1st and 3rd basemen.

They shouldve resigned juan Uribe or Kelly Johnson

Just let his son hang around

And is off to a wretched start. Can he at least be performing before we bring his name up?

Both blow donkey dick so far in 2016.

I'd look into Johnson for a low A minor leaguer

considering he would almost certainly cost literally nothing to acquire, I'd sooner roll the dice on him than Campbell. There should be better options out there though.

Justin Turner is hitting .229, 12 RBIs and 3 HRs for the Dodgers i n 43 games.

I'd rather bet on Flores to rebound or give somebody like Kelly a shot. That's just me though.

Completely off topic. But the next time you want to complain about the Eiloons, realize it could be much, much worse. Just one of many examples of why I absolutely DESPISE this franchise!!!
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He may have been a big amped here in the first. The DP took care of that walked batter.

Stras also looked filthy in the first.

Let's hope it's a sign of a good night for him.

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Love me some Costanza.

BTW.. does Walkers batting stance remind anyone else of Frenchy? They're like clones of each other.

But Harvey being Harvey would be bigger

finally someone uncovers Harvey's problem.

These are the moments he has gotten into trouble

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was BS!

Looks just as good as he did last week.

That ball is off the plate and inside!

easily could have been called inside

That wasn't a strike on Ty Kelly.

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he deserves that at this point

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Nice shot Cabrera!!

Loving Cabrera!

4 ip 2 h 8ks for Columbia. Maybe he isn't a bust?

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Just leaving it out right over the plate.

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Changeups sitting over the plate. Shrug it off Harvey.

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Until Wheeler returns on July 1

If he could gut out 2 more innings and keep them from doing any further damage I'd be thrilled. He's just not locating his pitches right now. He keeps missing low and away against the RH hitters.. like his release point just isn't there and he's overthrowing.

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And then what? Lol. I could see them giving him two weeks or something on the DL but they aren't demoting him permanently.

Campbell? Wtf? And Plawecki is just as bad. Automatic outs. Ugh.

has a plan when he goes to the plate. He just looks like he goes up there with no approach other than to hack, chop, slap, reach and generally look awful.

I am soooooo tired have having half a major league lineup at the plate. They really need to do something about this. The bottom half of the lineup is an automatic zero every single game. And it's not just a cold streak.

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Campbell? Wtf? And Plawecki is just as bad. Automatic outs. Ugh.

They ought to give that Kelly kid a chance. TDA cant be back soon enough so Kplaw can rake in Vegas

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Why, because TdA was tearing it up offensively? Did I miss that game?

I am fucking sick of Harvey. He just flat out sucks now. Like, really sucks.

Throwing him out there every 5 days isn't solving anything at this point

Not having him hitting for the Mets hurts us and his hitting for the Nats is helping them.

Have to think we would be in first if he was still on the roster. Being 1/2 game out of first you know he has won them a handful of games already this season.

The mets lap and we were watching both cespedes and Murphy do this on other teams while we watched likes of deaza and Campell every night? I'm not sure if it's fair but Sandy really makes me angry sometimes and watching my favorite met of last 15 years smack home runs for their rival after begged to come back on a reasonable contract does nothing to endear him.

You wanted them to keep Murphy. No need to belabor the point 100 times over...

2 for 3 in his rehab start tonight, played 6 innings at 1B.

Cecchini starts for LV.

has turned into a batting practice pitcher. Give the starts to Logan.

Looking at this lineup in its current state? Cespedes and conforo are the only legitimate bats and we have automatic outs at 3 spots plus pitcher.

I really don't know how a pitcher just loses his ability to "locate" his pitches for this long. Especially Cy Young caliber pitcher. Boggles my mind but it obviously ain't anything physical. Send him to the minors and let him figure it out there. Strasburg didn't go though anything close to this, for those who like to compare.

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You wanted them to keep Murphy. No need to belabor the point 100 times over...

I can be frustrated and vent when he hits a monster HR off of us.

Everyone else does about things they feel strongly about.

Struggles to me is that he wilts like a flower the moment he runs into trouble in the middle innings. His body language is awful and proceeds to pitch batting practice after. What a mess.

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I really don't know how a pitcher just loses his ability to "locate" his pitches for this long. Especially Cy Young caliber pitcher. Boggles my mind but it obviously ain't anything physical. Send him to the minors and let him figure it out there. Strasburg didn't go though anything close to this, for those who like to compare.

Actually Strasburg had an almost identical ERA and numbers up until the point last year but it's always nice getting a swipe the moment we start losing.

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In comment 12969956 PhiPsi125 said: Quote:Strasburg didn't go though anything close to this, for those who like to compare. Actually Strasburg had an almost identical ERA and numbers up until the point last year

+1 That's what it said on the telly.

Murphy never hit anywhere near this at any point in his career. Since his work with Long last August he has had a meteoric rise. No team in baseball wanted Murphy last year including the Nats who explored every other option BUT Murphy until they had no other choice.

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A little sensitive are you?

Well, I was comparing numbers in Strasburgs second year off of TJ surgery, like Harvey...not last years numbers. You are right about last years numbers but that's not what I was comparing.

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You are free to post whatever you want.. just pointing out that you've expressed your point that you wanted them to keep Murphy about 500 times over the last few months. I think you've made it known. If you want to keep making it known.. go ahead, I suppose.

About Strasburg struggling last year much like Harvey now. All good

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Murphy never hit anywhere near this at any point in his career. Since his work with Long last August he has had a meteoric rise. No team in baseball wanted Murphy last year including the Nats who explored every other option BUT Murphy until they had no other choice.

Not for nothing but if there wasn't a pick tied to Murphy, I bet he would have been signed much sooner. The pick is affecting FA a lot more than it used to. Let's not minimize how good of a hitter Murphy has always been.

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Then I misunderstood...my bad on that.

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500 times really?

We are playing the Nats, and he is killing us, it's a fair comment.

It's not about making it known, it is simply talking about how I feel just like everyone else does on these threads. Not sure why you have such a problem with it but sorry to bother you so much.

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Murphy pimped the hell out of that home run. And with that, another disastrous Harvey Day.

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That could be true but I don't remember much of a market at all. Some people were surprised he got a 3 year deal once it got late. Put it this way, the Nats would have rather traded real talent for Phillips than simply sign Murphy and lose the pick. Your point is valid though.

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Rich MacLeod Murphy pimped the hell out of that home run. And with that, another disastrous Harvey Day.

Have to say, that does it for me ...Murphy's officially a cocksuckin' Nat!!! Fuck that douche!

Revere's 5th HR since 2010? Lol. Of course.

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Exactly. Does he want a doggy biscuit for doing what the rest of the league is doing? Smacking around Harvey? Kudos Murphy...you're special.

cliche but Cespedes really did just miss that one.

were slim tonight going in. That's just life as we know it lately with this version of Harvey. Matz can still take the series tomorrow. Let's go.

Harvey is going thru a Strasberg so we will modify our expectations this season

We need to pound Roark tomorrow and even the season series with them at 3 a piece.

And yeah, the "thanks for all you did, good luck" phase is officially over with Murphy. Officially a National now. Fuck him.

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Harvey sends word through PR that he's not talking. Weak. Gotta be accountable.

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Matt Harvey and accountability: not on speaking terms. #Mets

Matt Ehalt
So there will be no answers tonight other than Terry and Plawecki.

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Harvey left. Didn't stick around for postgame. "He's not going to converse tonight," #Mets spokesman just said.

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Harvey is not speaking to the media post game. #Mets

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Matt Harvey bolted the stadium immediately after the game tonight. Didn't stick around. He won't be discussing his start. #Mets

Mike Puma
Harvey left the ballpark before speaking to the media.

Maria I. Guardado
Matt Harvey has declined to speak to reporters.

Rich Coutinho
forget about the media Harvey not talking is not fair to his teammates who were forced to speak for him totally unacceptable on every level

Anthony DiComo
Why is it important to talk after games like this? One reason only: Not doing so leaves your teammates out to dry, forced to answer for you.

Mike Puma
I don't think Kevin Plawecki was too thrilled having to answer Matt Harvey's questions. But, to his credit, Plawecki is a pro.

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When Harvey bails, it's not just a bad look, it falls on teammates like Plawecki to answer for him. It doesn't go unnoticed in clubhouse.

Matt Ehalt
Players usually like to talk about teammates' success and praise him. Not so much why a teammate, who bailed on the media, is struggling

Rich Coutinho
not talking post game is just making it harder on every level answering a few questions not too.much to ask

I've been in Matt's corner this whole time but you gotta stand there and be accountable and answer questions when things aren't going your way. Your true character comes through when you're at your lowest.. bad look for him. It's sore loser stuff.

I can't even imagine how frustrated he is right now... but you gotta take your medicine and deal with it. Don't leave your catcher out there to dry and make him answer for you. That's shitty.

Anthony DiComo
Terry Collins on Harvey's next start: “We’ve got to think what’s not just best for Matt, but what’s best for us moving forward." #Mets

Matt Ehalt
Terry: “We got to think not just what is best for Matt but what is best for us moving forward at the moment. A lot of things to consider."

Matt Ehalt
Terry: “I’m pretty surprised. I’m really surprised. This guy is too good to continue like this.”

He continues to bring this shit on himself. No wonder fans and the media get on him. He's such an unlikeable prick. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Mental midget.

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I've been in Matt's corner this whole time but you gotta stand there and be accountable and answer questions when things aren't going your way. Your true character comes through when you're at your lowest.. bad look for him. It's sore loser stuff. I can't even imagine how frustrated he is right now... but you gotta take your medicine and deal with it. Don't leave your catcher out there to dry and make him answer for you. That's shitty.

Agreed.

But this is what to I was referring to earlier...

The Mets sign both Murphy and Cespedes. I know Murphs contract isnt that bad but it may have been too much that they wouldnt have persued Cespedes. Id rather have Cespedes and Walker than Murphy and De Aza. That is how I look at it, despite hating that Mirph is not on this team anymore.

insanely good immediately after this start for the remainder of the season. I didn't watch Strasburg last season while he was going through it but outside of the numbers, it may have been quite different. Plus, I don't see Harvey snapping out of this any time soon. Don't think he has the mental makeup for it.

was more just that really really good pitchers, aces even sometimes, go through weird stretches for a while. In Strasburg's case last year it lasted almost 2 months into the season.

I mean they could DL Harvey right now, send him to AAA for a few weeks or something (happened to Strasburg last year) and once rediscovering himself he could come back and pitch a dominant second half also. Would really be the same thing.

At this point Im not counting on anything though. Harvey is the 5th starter and its a mess.

with "dead arm" or something and send him to St. Lucie. He needs to start from scratch down there. Maybe having Wheeler around him essentially just getting going too will be good for him.

Roll with Gilmartin or Verrett in the 5th spot for now and pray we don't need to do the same thing with deGrom soon.

self, no matter what our feelings about him are. I wish I had more insight on what Strasburg was going through last year. It would help me to draw a comparison because the similar numbers don't mean much to me. And that's not a slight to you. It's just hard to put context behind the numbers.

But stuff like walking out on the media says a lot about Matt. I mean, the entire team went out to watch Harvey throw a simulated game a few days ago in support and then he does this. I hate it mostly because it only validates what a prick he is. Believe me, I want to be wrong.

want to talk to the media either. Its a bad look.

Man. If you would have told me we'd be down Harvey, deGrom, Duda, and TDA heading into the season (deGrom might return to normalcy soon) I would have said we were screwed. We are a deep team but losing two aces and two 800 OPS hitters? Yikes.

Not performing also (TDA was ice cold before he got hurt anyway)

very well with the dimished velocity. Speed isn't everything. DeGrom is a true gamer and professional. When he has a bad outing, he sits with the media and specifically points out everything he was doing wrong. He doesn't mope and walk out on his teammates.

Now, their situations are a little different but I truly think that Harvey exacerbates thinks with his attitude. Maybe.

this season. Is it so hard to ask for a little luck for once?

if I were in his situation, I'd probably do the same thing. He's an emotional pitcher, competitor. What was he going to say?

Gilmartin picked the wrong night to get bombed in Vegas. He has been good all year until tonight. Nice to see Cheech return and go 2-2 with two doubles though.

the roster has issues and there certainly needs to be improvement pretty much all the way around, but on the positive side we're way ahead of where things were last May. Very few teams just go wire to wire 20+ games over .500. Stay in striking distance, tinker with the roster where necessary and hopefully peak in the 2nd half.

More diva-ness from Harvey is frustrating just from the pov that you'd like to see him grind his way through it and not seem like a phony tough guy. I know he had another rough outing but it happens. He's a highly talented high maintenance pitcher. Wright should throw out his lunch tomorrow.

What's the point? There's no solution he can offer. There's no explanation he can offer. They're only going to ask him how he feels, how his arm feels, and how he feels performing this poorly, which is nothing but meaningless words.


Just have to pitch through it, whether at this level or in the minors.

It's May. It's early.

I can't remember a team winning it all with an offense as HR dependent as the Mets'.

They need a few more tough outs.

Like he's not accountable to the team or his teammates for poor performance. Just because he didn't speak to the writers doesn't mean he blew off the team or doesn't care. Stupid media take.

non-existent today.

interviews after tough losses where there are "no solutions" to offer but this baby decides "fuck it, I'm out" because he feels like it. Like it or not, meeting with the media is a part of the job. He shits the bed and then ducks out. Does anybody really expect anything groundbreaking to come out of these interviews? Of course not. But it's what you do. He's a baby. Grow up.

is one of those nights where I make lots of friends. The charm comes out and I tell people how it is from my point of view...

Honestly so many fans are such a bunch of low level amateur pathetic so called fanatics that they literally ruin watching for some of the rest of us. The overly dramatic...the emotional...the lack of common sense and any visible experience... It's seriously fucking pathetic. It can be frustrating to see it right here on BBI, also to know that there are people out there far worse, and also to know that some players and staff on teams pay attention a bit too much to a single word or thought from anyone.

Then the media....

This guy Mike Vaccaro can seriously eat a dick and rot. Hope the guy has a serious legitimate personal issue. Because its a guy like that who causes players to consider leaving, or not want to come play here. It's this type of hack trash with a typewriter that leads the story and pushes his agenda, and while it would be nice to say "just ignore it", the problem is that I mostly do but most people don't. The trash he wrote tonight is the exact reason why Harvey won't sit and talk to the media. Guys like him are the reason Harvey has to defend his pissing habits because some jerkoff demands an answer for his schedule of urination.

Professional players and coaches are asked to talk to the media as a courtesy and what the media does is spin that to make it something that is mandatory and defining of an athlete's character. Again, same thing happned with Larry Brooks and Dan Boyle. No ne owes this dickback a thing and he can go fuck himself.

If and when Matt Harvey leaves, remember this week and these reactions and these reporters as the reason why. It is a disgrace and sickening....and if you agree with him you're a fucking dumb ass tool as well. I assume that's many of you.


Here's the deal....nothing about Harvey has been true aside from these things:

- Velocity is down
- Thinking too much and missing spots
- Leaving too many balls over and givign up too many hits and homers especially.

Here is what isn't true:

- "He has never accomplished anything" yeah he has. He's been one of the most dominating pitchers in a sport that has a bunch of high level elite ace pitchers. He was 3 outs from a complete game shutout in the World Series. Instead he went 8 and gave it all he had in a season where he threw over 210 innings after TJ surgery. One of the best pitching performances I have ever seen in person and in general and anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

- He doesn't have heart or toughness - so fucking stupid it may not be worthy of an answer but see: last year and every game he has ever pitched.

- He is a baby or a whiner or some nonsense.... Matt Harvey takes the ball and pitches his ass off every time he is supposed to. Every single time. He never wants to come out or come off the field. All of the other shit is media nonsense, made up by the media about their own portrayal of the guy.


Take a look...there are other aces and great pitchers pitching like ASS this season. Just like them, he will be fine and come back pitchig well. And all the media and fans who are in this bullshit right now will be there kissing his ass...Just sad to watch this shit after seeing it with OBJ in a similar way. The whole take down routine is fucking disgusting to watch

Here comes the perfect fucking fan galloping in on his high horse, standing on his soapbox telling everyone else how shitty they are as fans.

Hey, if you want to suck off Harvey and have your own little ESPN photo shoot with they guy while playing "hide the marshmallow" then go for it. But please spare the rest of us your 1000 word diatribe about how awful we are.

Ugh, you are the worst.

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is one of those nights where I make lots of friends. The charm comes out and I tell people how it is from my point of view... Honestly so many fans are such a bunch of low level amateur pathetic so called fanatics that they literally ruin watching for some of the rest of us. The overly dramatic...the emotional...the lack of common sense and any visible experience... It's seriously fucking pathetic. It can be frustrating to see it right here on BBI, also to know that there are people out there far worse, and also to know that some players and staff on teams pay attention a bit too much to a single word or thought from anyone. Then the media.... This guy Mike Vaccaro can seriously eat a dick and rot. Hope the guy has a serious legitimate personal issue. Because its a guy like that who causes players to consider leaving, or not want to come play here. It's this type of hack trash with a typewriter that leads the story and pushes his agenda, and while it would be nice to say "just ignore it", the problem is that I mostly do but most people don't. The trash he wrote tonight is the exact reason why Harvey won't sit and talk to the media. Guys like him are the reason Harvey has to defend his pissing habits because some jerkoff demands an answer for his schedule of urination. Professional players and coaches are asked to talk to the media as a courtesy and what the media does is spin that to make it something that is mandatory and defining of an athlete's character. Again, same thing happned with Larry Brooks and Dan Boyle. No ne owes this dickback a thing and he can go fuck himself. If and when Matt Harvey leaves, remember this week and these reactions and these reporters as the reason why. It is a disgrace and sickening....and if you agree with him you're a fucking dumb ass tool as well. I assume that's many of you. Here's the deal....nothing about Harvey has been true aside from these things: - Velocity is down - Thinking too much and missing spots - Leaving too many balls over and givign up too many hits and homers especially. Here is what isn't true: - "He has never accomplished anything" yeah he has. He's been one of the most dominating pitchers in a sport that has a bunch of high level elite ace pitchers. He was 3 outs from a complete game shutout in the World Series. Instead he went 8 and gave it all he had in a season where he threw over 210 innings after TJ surgery. One of the best pitching performances I have ever seen in person and in general and anyone who says otherwise is a liar. - He doesn't have heart or toughness - so fucking stupid it may not be worthy of an answer but see: last year and every game he has ever pitched. - He is a baby or a whiner or some nonsense.... Matt Harvey takes the ball and pitches his ass off every time he is supposed to. Every single time. He never wants to come out or come off the field. All of the other shit is media nonsense, made up by the media about their own portrayal of the guy. Take a look...there are other aces and great pitchers pitching like ASS this season. Just like them, he will be fine and come back pitchig well. And all the media and fans who are in this bullshit right now will be there kissing his ass...Just sad to watch this shit after seeing it with OBJ in a similar way. The whole take down routine is fucking disgusting to watch

Holy shit your hollier than though fan shtick is old.

It's baseball for God's sake. Lighten up.

for Harvey including DL (no clue how this gets allowed in baseball with nothing physically wrong, but it happens all the time), bullpen, do nothing, and demotion to AAA.

If Harvey is sent down to AAA, that might be the most precipitous fall since Cliff Lee.

Lee was sent down to the minors in his mid-late 20's, and the next year he won the Cy Young.

Maybe it's what Harvey needs.

The problem with Harvey walking out is that you're leaving your catcher hanging and having to answer all your questions for you. That's not right.

I know he has no answers right now but you still have to stand in there and take the questions and just be honest.. I'm sure it's hard for a guy who has basically never struggled until this point to stand there and say "hey, I'm not a good pitcher right now. I've got to just keep working and figure this out.. " but it's what he should have done.

It's easy to be around and be in the spotlight when things are going good. But how you respond when they aren't is what ultimately tells people the most about your character. I've defended Matt as much as possible and will continue to in most instances and continue rooting for him to get back to what he was before.. but I can't back him on this. It's childish.

and AAA last year.

As for Harvey... "Dead arm". Easy.

I think they should just DL him. Say it's arm fatigue, whatever. You can always DL a guy with a phantom issue.. happens all the time. Let him rest for a week or two and just re-collect himself and re-focus and then have him make a couple rehab starts in Vegas and see where he goes from there.

Flores was actually injured. lol

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Flores was actually injured. lol

how does it work with rehab? Why did Flores have to wait until yesterday for rehab starts?

I didn't realize he was injured either and questioned it myself, but if he wasn't then just sitting around wouldn't accomplish anything.

is butt-heart that Harvey didn't want to talk to them. That's the least of my concerns and now they will kill Harvey all week to turn the fans against him.

Put Harvey on the DL. No throwing for 10 days. Have him make a short start or two in AA, then another 1-2 in AAA. Wait until he looks "better" and then bring him back up. If all goes well, we'll have Harvey back with the team in 25-30 days.

Only other thing from last night was that I find it pretty amusing all of the snarky comments that Met fans made about Murphy once it was clear that he wasn't coming back. Guy was a good Met for years, learned a new position for us, and took a huge leap in his game at the perfect time and carried NYM to a WS berth and a pennant. I wish he had signed anywhere else (well maybe except NYY) than Washington.

Rubber game today. Matz is better than Roark. Let's get 2 out of 3, and have some positive vibes going into what should be a really fun weekend at Citi.

else find the "fan police" that never come here to talk to about baseball but show up here to call fans out annoying?

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Eh. I dont know. He might have had something little so they gave him so rest. Might also be a situation where if they really needed him they could have left him on the roster. Who knows?

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else find the "fan police" that never come here to talk to about baseball but show up here to call fans out annoying?

That's his shtick.. does it all year long on the Rangers threads too.

First, relax, or take Harveys cock out of your mouth. As fans, we all want Harvey to turn it around. Here's when I started to feel Harvey was a bit of a pussy. Last year, playing the Phils and I think Utley hit a HR and a double his first 2 at bats. So what did our ace do next time he was up? He f'n hit him in the back and stared him down like he was tough. That bothered the hell out of me

All that's going to do is have him go through the same motions that's gotten him nowhere for a month. Send him down to work with Viola and get some confidence back. IMO that's the best thing for him and the team.

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Wrong. D'arnaud can't stay far enough away from this team. The dude fucking sucks. He's always hurt, his defense sucks and he's a .250 hitter on his best day. To say the mets need a legit catcher is an understatement.

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First, relax, or take Harveys cock out of your mouth. As fans, we all want Harvey to turn it around. Here's when I started to feel Harvey was a bit of a pussy. Last year, playing the Phils and I think Utley hit a HR and a double his first 2 at bats. So what did our ace do next time he was up? He f'n hit him in the back and stared him down like he was tough. That bothered the hell out of me

Utley wasn't on the fucking phillies last year, he was on the dodgers. Don't you remember him breaking tejadas leg in the playoffs? What the fuck are you babbling about anyway? He drilled somebody in the back and that bothered you and makes him a pussy?

Really? Utley wasn't on the Phils last yr? I guess he wasn't traded to the Dodgers lol. Good job tough guy!

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In comment 12970294 jayg5 said: Quote: First, relax, or take Harveys cock out of your mouth. As fans, we all want Harvey to turn it around. Here's when I started to feel Harvey was a bit of a pussy. Last year, playing the Phils and I think Utley hit a HR and a double his first 2 at bats. So what did our ace do next time he was up? He f'n hit him in the back and stared him down like he was tough. That bothered the hell out of me Utley wasn't on the fucking phillies last year, he was on the dodgers. Don't you remember him breaking tejadas leg in the playoffs? What the fuck are you babbling about anyway? He drilled somebody in the back and that bothered you and makes him a pussy?

Actually, Utley did play for the Phillies last year. He was traded to the Dodgers mid-season. Relax.

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In comment 12970294 jayg5 said: Quote: First, relax, or take Harveys cock out of your mouth. As fans, we all want Harvey to turn it around. Here's when I started to feel Harvey was a bit of a pussy. Last year, playing the Phils and I think Utley hit a HR and a double his first 2 at bats. So what did our ace do next time he was up? He f'n hit him in the back and stared him down like he was tough. That bothered the hell out of me Utley wasn't on the fucking phillies last year, he was on the dodgers. Don't you remember him breaking tejadas leg in the playoffs? What the fuck are you babbling about anyway? He drilled somebody in the back and that bothered you and makes him a pussy?

If you're going to be an ass, at least be right.
Utley was traded to the Dodgers from the Phillies in August last season

out of an unknown medical scare they had no information about, so if I was in his shoes, the media could take a walk too. I don't really have the patience to hear beat writers whine about how harvey wasn't there postgame to do their jobs for them. Kinda sucks that his teammates then have to be asked "How do you feel about Harvey", but I'm 90% sure his teammates support a guy they know put it all out there in the playoffs last season. They get it.

Yes, it bothered me. A player gets 2 hits off him and he drills him next at bat...so yes, to me that's a pussy

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Yes, it bothered me. A player gets 2 hits off him and he drills him next at bat...so yes, to me that's a pussy

I want all the Mets pitchers to do that actually. Or throw it around eye level

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I wish I had more insight on what Strasburg was going through last year. It would help me to draw a comparison because the similar numbers don't mean much to me.

In 13 starts since his return from the DL, Strasburg put up a 1.76 ERA, 12 walks (1.32 BB/9), 110 Ks (12.07 K/9) and a .175/.208/.292 line against in 82 innings.

"It's been really good," Nats' skipper Matt Williams said. "It's health-related. It always has been. And I think he's just finished as strong as he could possibly finish."

Nationals' GM Mike Rizzo said the same in a recent MLB Network Radio interview, explaining that the ankle injury Strasburg suffered this Spring was behind his early-season struggles.

"He started off the season poorly with the ankle injury," Rizzo said, "and the ankle injury affected him more than we thought it would, more than he thought it would. It was really a precursor to all the back spasm stuff he had.

"Thank god he didn't change his mechanics and arm angle to the point that he would hurt his arm because of his ankle. But the ankle had a huge part of his early struggles."
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and getting even more out of sync. Honestly we've all watched him enough to know he simply hasn't had the same stuff he's literally always had in prior years. Last night Strasburg was only a few mph faster but his FB was literally exploding past hitters and tailing with all kinds of movement. Harvey isn't spinning the ball on any of his pitches the way he used to - so there's a lot less explosiveness & life. That's why he's not getting swings and misses.

I don't think there's usually a minor tweak that fixes something like that. He needs to take 2 weeks off, work his way back slowly, and most importantly clear his mind to stop pressing. Collins said "this is the first time we've seen him press" and that was like 6 weeks ago. I can imagine he's even deeper in a hole mentally right now. Best thing they could probably do for him is send him to port st lonely to clear his mind and get some work in. That or a fighting pit in some remote desert.

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In comment 12970130 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: I wish I had more insight on what Strasburg was going through last year. It would help me to draw a comparison because the similar numbers don't mean much to me. In 13 starts since his return from the DL, Strasburg put up a 1.76 ERA, 12 walks (1.32 BB/9), 110 Ks (12.07 K/9) and a .175/.208/.292 line against in 82 innings. "It's been really good," Nats' skipper Matt Williams said. "It's health-related. It always has been. And I think he's just finished as strong as he could possibly finish." Nationals' GM Mike Rizzo said the same in a recent MLB Network Radio interview, explaining that the ankle injury Strasburg suffered this Spring was behind his early-season struggles. "He started off the season poorly with the ankle injury," Rizzo said, "and the ankle injury affected him more than we thought it would, more than he thought it would. It was really a precursor to all the back spasm stuff he had. "Thank god he didn't change his mechanics and arm angle to the point that he would hurt his arm because of his ankle. But the ankle had a huge part of his early struggles." Entire article Oct 2, 2015 - ( New Window )

Thanks Sphinx. So what that tells me is that aside from their weirdly similar numbers, their situations are completely different.

Strasburg's issues was a health/injury related issue. Harvey's issues are not health/injury related.

Somehow, that doesn't make me feel any better. At least they could pin-point what was affecting Strasburg. With Harvey, they are all just lost.

stole his mojo. He just doesn't have that same confident, "fuck you you can't beat me" demeanor on the hill. Looks like he is questioning himself before every pitch.

Space Jam type of conspiracy going on here.

started you would figure guaranteed "W". Harvey on the hill, 4 runs in a game that Strasburg started, book it.

That's baseball Suzyn

SMH...unbelievable.

I love the fact that Harvey isn't going to give up (if you can call it that) and go to the minors or a phantom DL stint. It means to me that he feels fine which is the most important thing long-term.

just hope it isn't at the cost of W's.

Every win counts especially now that the Nats are playing like most expected they would play last year.