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Eli (the QB) with some kind words for Geremy Davis.

Klaatu : 5/24/2016 10:27 am
From Giants.com via Defenderdawg:

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Geremy is a bright guy,” Manning said. “He knows the offense very well. He studies hard. He’s really in tune with what his assignments are. He’s got great size. He’s one of our bigger receivers. You can move him around and put him in different spots. He’s going to be really keyed into what his assignment is, so that’s always helpful. Hopefully he can step up and get on a roll and make some plays for us come game time.”
Hell of a compliment for the young guy.  
SoDev : 5/24/2016 10:29 am : link
Good stuff.
Is this nicer stuff than what  
ATL_Giants : 5/24/2016 10:34 am : link
he's said about Shepard?
Good to hear because  
Randy in CT : 5/24/2016 10:35 am : link
if he steps up and then along with SS doing well and perhaps Cruz back? Tough group to defend.
Dude  
Shadow : 5/24/2016 10:38 am : link
There is only ONE Eli on the Giants!
The other guy is Apple as far as I am concerned.
Let Apple win a few Super Bowls then I will call him Eli.
Sorry, Shadow.  
Klaatu : 5/24/2016 10:40 am : link
But you can never have enough Eli's.
What are we going to do  
Shadow : 5/24/2016 10:43 am : link
With all these Hall of Fame WRs
Not OBJ alone but
Davis,Shepard,Lewis,KJ,Dable, will be tough at contract time.
Reading between the lines...  
Torrag : 5/24/2016 10:43 am : link
...now if Reese can upgrade the ROL we can fulfill the potential this offense has...
Davis is a big guy. And this receiving corps really could use a big  
Heisenberg : 5/24/2016 10:44 am : link
guy.
RE: What are we going to do  
Klaatu : 5/24/2016 10:50 am : link
In comment 12969217 Shadow said:
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With all these Hall of Fame WRs
Not OBJ alone but
Davis,Shepard,Lewis,KJ,Dable, will be tough at contract time.


Shadow, that's a pretty silly comment. We don't need "Hall of Fame WRs" to be competitive (or win Super Bowls); we need guys who will work hard and make the most of the opportunities that come their way.
RE: RE: What are we going to do  
Shadow : 5/24/2016 10:58 am : link
In comment 12969232 Klaatu said:
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In comment 12969217 Shadow said:


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With all these Hall of Fame WRs
Not OBJ alone but
Davis,Shepard,Lewis,KJ,Dable, will be tough at contract time.



Shadow, that's a pretty silly comment. We don't need "Hall of Fame WRs" to be competitive (or win Super Bowls); we need guys who will work hard and make the most of the opportunities that come their way.

It's sarcasm
Right now we have OBJ,that's it.
Harris is a ST guy,Cruz is a ? We have no Idea what Sheppard is, now Davis who could get on the Field last year is this great Addition?
Eli is trying to build up the Young man but right now the WRs are a huge crap shoot. Lewis,Mayes Dable all huge ?. Eli will have to be the man yet again or we don't win shit.
You misquoted him I think  
est1986 : 5/24/2016 11:13 am : link
He said he has to "GET A ROLE" not "GET ON A ROLL". Your welcome.
The thing I'd really like to hear about Geremy Davis...  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/24/2016 11:15 am : link
...is that he's hard to cover.
Harris  
Toth029 : 5/24/2016 11:15 am : link
Is more than simply a ST'er. He filled in well despite being new to the playbook. Made tough grabs. He is a great #4 if counted upon.

I am secretly hoping Davis steps up big and can challenge for those #3 and 4 spots.
If that's an attempt at sarcasm, it's a poor one.  
Klaatu : 5/24/2016 11:15 am : link
Davis doesn't have to be a "great Addition." As I said, he just has to do his job and contribute when called upon. It looks like the Giants are giving him a thorough evaluation, looking to see if he's improved his game. Why you have a problem with this is beyond me.
RE: You misquoted him I think  
Klaatu : 5/24/2016 11:17 am : link
In comment 12969262 est1986 said:
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He said he has to "GET A ROLE" not "GET ON A ROLL". Your welcome.


No, I didn't misquote him. I copied exactly what was written at Giants.com.

Oh, and you're welcome.
RE: RE: You misquoted him I think  
Moondawg : 5/24/2016 11:33 am : link
In comment 12969273 Klaatu said:
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In comment 12969262 est1986 said:


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He said he has to "GET A ROLE" not "GET ON A ROLL". Your welcome.



No, I didn't misquote him. I copied exactly what was written at Giants.com.

Oh, and you're welcome.


Davis was a Draft pick  
Shadow : 5/24/2016 11:34 am : link
So he gets the scholarship treatment. Like Jernigan and Barden,Moss before him.
I get tired of the preseason Reese induced rah rah crap. If he was a FA last year he would be gone. So he will burn a roster spot for another year. He couldn't beat out White or Randle last year,that says a lot. If a guy like Lewis or Mayes shines then they will be gone since we must keep Draft Picks first in the pecking order.
RE: The thing I'd really like to hear about Geremy Davis...  
BlueLou : 5/24/2016 11:36 am : link
In comment 12969267 Big Blue Blogger said:
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...is that he's hard to cover.


For me it's "he catches the ball" 1st, runs good and correct routes 2nd, and gets open 3rd.

I mean, Sinorice Moss and Jerrel Jernigan got open... maybe in the wrong spots on the field, and with unreliable hands...

😉
Sixth-round picks do not get scholarship treatment.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/24/2016 11:40 am : link
How long were Bennett Jackson, Matt McCants, Greg Jones, Tyler Sash, Adrian Tracy, DeAndre Wright, Andre' Woodson and Robert Henderson on the team before they were waived for the first time? An average of maybe a year?
RE: Sixth-round picks do not get scholarship treatment.  
Shadow : 5/24/2016 11:46 am : link
In comment 12969299 Big Blue Blogger said:
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How long were Bennett Jackson, Matt McCants, Greg Jones, Tyler Sash, Adrian Tracy, DeAndre Wright, Andre' Woodson and Robert Henderson on the team before they were waived for the first time? An average of maybe a year?

Yes and because of it the media is ripping the Giants drafts. So with the added pressure to our GM and his team,guys like Davis and Hart have been singled out already and will be locks on the roster.
ill keep saying it  
djm : 5/24/2016 11:49 am : link
I really like our WR situation. We needed one more legit talent and with the addtion of Sheppard the position is pretty well stocked with competition. Someone will emerge and he doesn't have to be an elite player. We just need to solidify the position with professionalism. We have a bunch of 2nd and 3rd year guys along with Cruz the older question mark and of course Shep.
RE: Davis was a Draft pick  
Klaatu : 5/24/2016 11:50 am : link
In comment 12969288 Shadow said:
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So he gets the scholarship treatment. Like Jernigan and Barden,Moss before him.
I get tired of the preseason Reese induced rah rah crap. If he was a FA last year he would be gone. So he will burn a roster spot for another year. He couldn't beat out White or Randle last year,that says a lot. If a guy like Lewis or Mayes shines then they will be gone since we must keep Draft Picks first in the pecking order.


Davis was a 6th round pick, which guarantees him nothing, unlike Moss, Barden, and Jernigan, who were drafted much higher. Regardless, "scholarship" has nothing to do with it. You don't give up on a guy after one year who's 6-2. ran a 4.59 at his Pro Day, and looked like a natural hands-catcher at the Combine. You look to see if he's put in the time and effort to improve his craft, which is exactly what the Giants are doing. What happened last year says absolutely nothing, especially in combination with a new coaching staff.

At the same time, they're also in the process of evaluating the other WRs on their roster. Again, this is exactly what they're supposed to be doing in May. Every WR is going to get a fair shake, now, and in training camp.
astounding to me  
djm : 5/24/2016 11:51 am : link
that some of you would label a WR as bust simply because the guy didn't play much in his rookie season, last year.

WTF man...don't be dense.
Sounds like he's demonstrating  
JonC : 5/24/2016 11:51 am : link
the hard work, professionalism, and mental ability to digest info and demonstrate in practice.

Question now is can he perform with live bullets flying at NFL game speed?
A leftover Reese reach...  
Doomster : 5/24/2016 12:16 pm : link
Davis was a Draft pick
Shadow : 11:34 am : link : reply
So he gets the scholarship treatment. Like Jernigan and Barden,Moss before him.
I get tired of the preseason Reese induced rah rah crap. If he was a FA last year he would be gone. So he will burn a roster spot for another year. He couldn't beat out White or Randle last year,that says a lot. If a guy like Lewis or Mayes shines then they will be gone since we must keep Draft Picks first in the pecking order.

Well, he was a 6th round reach by Reese from that football powerhouse Connectorsomething.....most thought he would be undrafted....he was big with no speed...

Eli saying something nice abut a draft pick? When was the last time he ever said something bad about one? Jernigan? Barden? Beckum?

The WR position is wide open, especially if Cruz comes up short, again.....if Shepard was bigger, I would think he was the replacement for Randle...but he looks more like a slot receiver replacement for Cruz...if so, who is that #2 Wr?

To count on a 6th rounder from Conn Ed is wishful thinking....
RE: Davis was a Draft pick  
Old Dirty Beckham : 5/24/2016 12:17 pm : link
In comment 12969288 Shadow said:
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So he gets the scholarship treatment. Like Jernigan and Barden,Moss before him.
I get tired of the preseason Reese induced rah rah crap. If he was a FA last year he would be gone. So he will burn a roster spot for another year. He couldn't beat out White or Randle last year,that says a lot. If a guy like Lewis or Mayes shines then they will be gone since we must keep Draft Picks first in the pecking order.


What did Victor Cruz do his rookie year in the NFL?
RE: A leftover Reese reach...  
Klaatu : 5/24/2016 12:26 pm : link
Well, he was a 6th round reach by Reese from that football powerhouse Connectorsomething.....most thought he would be undrafted....he was big with no speed...

A "6th round reach." That's a good one. As if a 6th round pick is anything but a gamble.

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To count on a 6th rounder from Conn Ed is wishful thinking....


Because football players, especially late-round picks, never get any better no matter how hard they work.
Ok, I was wrong....  
Doomster : 5/24/2016 1:18 pm : link
RE: A leftover Reese reach...
Klaatu : 12:26 pm : link : reply

Because football players, especially late-round picks, never get any better no matter how hard they work.

Jackson, Herman, Cox, McCants, Kuhn, Sash, JW, Scott, Dodge, Tracy, Wright, Woodson X2, Henderson, Koets, Johnson, etc., I'm sure they all gave it their all....just not talented enough....

You have to go all the way back to 2007 for a 6th rounder or higher to show something, Bradshaw, and he only lasted that long because of off the field problems....

There have been some that have worked hard, and made something of themselves....This was a guy that we probably could have got as an UDFA....We need a big WR...but someone with a little more speed/separation....
RE: Davis was a Draft pick  
Randy in CT : 5/24/2016 1:19 pm : link
In comment 12969288 Shadow said:
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So he gets the scholarship treatment. Like Jernigan and Barden,Moss before him.
I get tired of the preseason Reese induced rah rah crap. If he was a FA last year he would be gone. So he will burn a roster spot for another year. He couldn't beat out White or Randle last year,that says a lot. If a guy like Lewis or Mayes shines then they will be gone since we must keep Draft Picks first in the pecking order.
Your comments are stupid. You are stupid. Stupid.
I don't think this is much of a compliment.  
81_Great_Dane : 5/24/2016 1:20 pm : link
I think it's Eli delivering his usual, deliberately bland, cautious support for a teammate.

Let's parse this.

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Geremy is a bright guy,” Manning said. “He knows the offense very well. He studies hard. He’s really in tune with what his assignments are.
This is almost damning with faint praise. Doesn't say he's great at getting open, or gets great separation, or anything else that has to do with actually playing. But he says Davis knows the playbook really well, which is necessary but not sufficient.

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He’s got great size. He’s one of our bigger receivers.
Factual. Yes, he's big. Bigger than most of the other receivers. But that's not praise, just an observation.

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You can move him around and put him in different spots. He’s going to be really keyed into what his assignment is, so that’s always helpful.
So he's versatile, which isn't the same as good, and he still knows the playbook.

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Hopefully he can step up and get on a roll and make some plays for us come game time.”


"Hopefully he can make some plays..." Not, "the kid's a playmaker," or "I have total confidence in Geremy," just "Hopefully he can do something." It's a wish, but not praise.

Eli is actually quite good at being noncommittal and vague while talking to the press. He talks a lot but says very little. It's a good skill for dealing with the press, especially in a big media market like New York. It's easy to mistake his long-ish, insubstantial responses for something meaty, but they're not.
RE: RE: Davis was a Draft pick  
Shadow : 5/24/2016 1:24 pm : link
In comment 12969461 Randy in CT said:
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In comment 12969288 Shadow said:


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So he gets the scholarship treatment. Like Jernigan and Barden,Moss before him.
I get tired of the preseason Reese induced rah rah crap. If he was a FA last year he would be gone. So he will burn a roster spot for another year. He couldn't beat out White or Randle last year,that says a lot. If a guy like Lewis or Mayes shines then they will be gone since we must keep Draft Picks first in the pecking order.

Your comments are stupid. You are stupid. Stupid.
Exellent rebuttal as usual Randy
Hey any Big Foot happenings?
McAdoo is doing the same thing.  
Randy in CT : 5/24/2016 1:26 pm : link
Rarely complimenting players and qualifying (playing in their shorts) everything he says. Most are cautiously optimistic about Davis but being pessimistic about Shepard makes you ignorant and dopey.
RE: I don't think this is much of a compliment.  
Shadow : 5/24/2016 1:28 pm : link
In comment 12969462 81_Great_Dane said:
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I think it's Eli delivering his usual, deliberately bland, cautious support for a teammate.

Let's parse this.



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Geremy is a bright guy,” Manning said. “He knows the offense very well. He studies hard. He’s really in tune with what his assignments are.

This is almost damning with faint praise. Doesn't say he's great at getting open, or gets great separation, or anything else that has to do with actually playing. But he says Davis knows the playbook really well, which is necessary but not sufficient.



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He’s got great size. He’s one of our bigger receivers.

Factual. Yes, he's big. Bigger than most of the other receivers. But that's not praise, just an observation.



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You can move him around and put him in different spots. He’s going to be really keyed into what his assignment is, so that’s always helpful.

So he's versatile, which isn't the same as good, and he still knows the playbook.



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Hopefully he can step up and get on a roll and make some plays for us come game time.”



"Hopefully he can make some plays..." Not, "the kid's a playmaker," or "I have total confidence in Geremy," just "Hopefully he can do something." It's a wish, but not praise.

Eli is actually quite good at being noncommittal and vague while talking to the press. He talks a lot but says very little. It's a good skill for dealing with the press, especially in a big media market like New York. It's easy to mistake his long-ish, insubstantial responses for something meaty, but they're not.


Eli is a graduate of the Jeter school of public comments.
Davis could be the second coming of Jerry Rice  
arniefez : 5/24/2016 1:52 pm : link
and he still wouldn't have gotten a chance last year unless every other receiver on the roster was injured and couldn't play. This year he'll get his chance and we'll see if he can play in the NFL.
Patience is a virtue  
Hot Rod in Florida : 5/24/2016 2:43 pm : link
We all want immediate gratification. However, the reality is that those who are too quick to judge, would throw a lot of good players to the curb. How many here think Amani Toomer was a great player? Probably most I would guess. Yet, the wonderful Toomer would surely have been cast aside with these less than stellar stats his first 3 years as a Giant.

Year 1 - 1 for 12 yds
Year 2 - 16 for 263 yds
Year 3 - 27 for 360 yds

but year 4, he burst forth with 79 for 1183 yds. According to some here, he should have been tossed out on his ear after his first year.
RE: Patience is a virtue  
BlueLou : 5/24/2016 2:53 pm : link
In comment 12969550 Hot Rod in Florida said:
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We all want immediate gratification. However, the reality is that those who are too quick to judge, would throw a lot of good players to the curb. How many here think Amani Toomer was a great player? Probably most I would guess. Yet, the wonderful Toomer would surely have been cast aside with these less than stellar stats his first 3 years as a Giant.

Year 1 - 1 for 12 yds
Year 2 - 16 for 263 yds
Year 3 - 27 for 360 yds

but year 4, he burst forth with 79 for 1183 yds. According to some here, he should have been tossed out on his ear after his first year.


Davis was 2 catches for 21 yards as a rookie...

So he's on the way to double Toomey's production over the next decade, right?
The Giants  
Glover : 5/24/2016 3:01 pm : link
will have A LOT of capable receivers to go along with one of the top 3 in the league. Not a bad place to be. Depth looking good for the future. Maybe one day they can draft an impact LB or RT.
RE: Davis was a Draft pick  
Mark C : 5/24/2016 3:07 pm : link
In comment 12969288 Shadow said:
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So he gets the scholarship treatment. Like Jernigan and Barden,Moss before him.
I get tired of the preseason Reese induced rah rah crap. If he was a FA last year he would be gone. So he will burn a roster spot for another year. He couldn't beat out White or Randle last year,that says a lot. If a guy like Lewis or Mayes shines then they will be gone since we must keep Draft Picks first in the pecking order.


It's just amazing how people on this site can just write a guy off after their rookie season. A sixth round pick doesn't immediately crack the starting lineup, and you know with absolute certainty, not only what his ceiling is, but also that he's reached it in one season? Wow.

I think Davis is going to surprise some people here before it's over, barring injury of course. When you doubt a Uconn Husky, you lose...
I just hope he has  
CT Charlie : 5/24/2016 3:56 pm : link
good hands. Nothing I hate more than seeing a guy making half a million to mega-millions a year dropping easy balls.
RE: Patience is a virtue  
81_Great_Dane : 5/24/2016 4:15 pm : link
In comment 12969550 Hot Rod in Florida said:
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We all want immediate gratification. However, the reality is that those who are too quick to judge, would throw a lot of good players to the curb. How many here think Amani Toomer was a great player? Probably most I would guess. Yet, the wonderful Toomer would surely have been cast aside with these less than stellar stats his first 3 years as a Giant.

Year 1 - 1 for 12 yds
Year 2 - 16 for 263 yds
Year 3 - 27 for 360 yds

but year 4, he burst forth with 79 for 1183 yds. According to some here, he should have been tossed out on his ear after his first year.
Can you imagine how BBI would have reacted to Phil Simms' injuries over his first few years?
think 81_Great_Dane  
ColHowPepper : 5/24/2016 6:25 pm : link
more or less nails it; Eli is giving measured kudos and does not want to go on record with anything negative. It was the "hopefully" that made me assess it a bit more critically. Obviously, Eli doesn't make the calls on WR playing time, and he's not going to but heads with BM or his OC or WR coach. What would you have him say Klaatu?

I hope Geremy Davis is a find, but I'll go back to my nostrum that speaks volumes during the Reese lean years and good years both: players who can play see the field, those that don't, or dress and play sparingly, be careful about pushing their chips to the center of the table. It's not been so hard to figure out.
RE: Davis was a Draft pick  
Sonic Youth : 5/24/2016 6:33 pm : link
In comment 12969288 Shadow said:
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So he gets the scholarship treatment. Like Jernigan and Barden,Moss before him.
I get tired of the preseason Reese induced rah rah crap. If he was a FA last year he would be gone. So he will burn a roster spot for another year. He couldn't beat out White or Randle last year,that says a lot. If a guy like Lewis or Mayes shines then they will be gone since we must keep Draft Picks first in the pecking order.
He was a late round pick in his rookie year. And how is this Reese induced rah rah crap? This was a quote from Manning.

I cannot stand Randle as a player but it's silly to say that a late round rookie WR couldn't beat out a veteran former 2nd round pick (who granted, made awful mental mistakes), so the rookie must suck.
RE: think 81_Great_Dane  
David in LA : 5/24/2016 7:15 pm : link
In comment 12969766 ColHowPepper said:
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more or less nails it; Eli is giving measured kudos and does not want to go on record with anything negative. It was the "hopefully" that made me assess it a bit more critically. Obviously, Eli doesn't make the calls on WR playing time, and he's not going to but heads with BM or his OC or WR coach. What would you have him say Klaatu?

I hope Geremy Davis is a find, but I'll go back to my nostrum that speaks volumes during the Reese lean years and good years both: players who can play see the field, those that don't, or dress and play sparingly, be careful about pushing their chips to the center of the table. It's not been so hard to figure out.


I agree that Eli is the master at measured responses, but he also doesn't just single guys out with positive comments. I have a feeling that Davis is the darkhorse to crack the top 3 at WR.
Interesting read  
DavidinBMNY : 5/24/2016 7:50 pm : link
I'll keep a bit more of an eye on Davis in pre-season. The competition at WR is fierce.

With that said Davis was inactive at the end of last year.

If Davis used the off-season to address why that was, he could surprise.
Shadow  
DavidinBMNY : 5/24/2016 7:52 pm : link
I don't think that scholarship treatment is as generous as it used to be.

That said, he's had 1 yr and was a 5th rd pick.

He deserves a bit of a longer leash and he may show something.
RE: Davis could be the second coming of Jerry Rice  
AP in Halfmoon : 5/24/2016 8:15 pm : link
In comment 12969501 arniefez said:
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and he still wouldn't have gotten a chance last year unless every other receiver on the roster was injured and couldn't play. This year he'll get his chance and we'll see if he can play in the NFL.


Arnie, you continue to provide evidence that you're the biggest moron connected to the Internet. Congrats douchebag!
RE: Davis was a Draft pick  
chopperhatch : 5/24/2016 8:43 pm : link
In comment 12969288 Shadow said:
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So he gets the scholarship treatment. Like Jernigan and Barden,Moss before him.
I get tired of the preseason Reese induced rah rah crap. If he was a FA last year he would be gone. So he will burn a roster spot for another year. He couldn't beat out White or Randle last year,that says a lot. If a guy like Lewis or Mayes shines then they will be gone since we must keep Draft Picks first in the pecking order.


I guess you've never heard about Coughing having a proclivity to Coughing not playing rookies unless he had to.
Davis is not fast or  
XBRONX : 5/24/2016 8:54 pm : link
quick. Doesn't make for a good receiver.
chop  
ColHowPepper : 5/24/2016 9:05 pm : link
I've not subscribed to that meme, or myth. I've been critical of TC in a number of ways, but I think he gets a bad rap on this one. Smith, Bradshaw, Jacobs, TEs (Boss, Ballard, Tye), Odell, Richburg, Pugh, Flowers, Hankins (a bit), Kennard (injuries cut him short), et al. They saw the field because they could play, not because TC "had" to play them.

I think the rap that you ascribe to TC (and, believe me, I'm no Homer Jones 45) is because he was saddled for so many years with so many draft picks who could not play: again, if they didn't see the field early, they rarely, rarely ever did because there was no talent and/or no will. The Giants' drafts and rosters after 2008 speak for themselves.
Aww Manning had something nice to say about a teammate  
The Tempest : 5/24/2016 11:58 pm : link
Come to think of it, never had a bad thing to say about Rueben Randle. Want to see it on the field before I read about it.
RE: chop  
chopperhatch : 5/25/2016 12:30 am : link
In comment 12969984 ColHowPepper said:
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I've not subscribed to that meme, or myth. I've been critical of TC in a number of ways, but I think he gets a bad rap on this one. Smith, Bradshaw, Jacobs, TEs (Boss, Ballard, Tye), Odell, Richburg, Pugh, Flowers, Hankins (a bit), Kennard (injuries cut him short), et al. They saw the field because they could play, not because TC "had" to play them.

I think the rap that you ascribe to TC (and, believe me, I'm no Homer Jones 45) is because he was saddled for so many years with so many draft picks who could not play: again, if they didn't see the field early, they rarely, rarely ever did because there was no talent and/or no will. The Giants' drafts and rosters after 2008 speak for themselves.



I'm excluding first rounders because you kind of expect them to contribute/start early.

I'll start from the top. So eliminate the first rounders in Odell, Pugh and Flowers (all of which were positions of need. Bradshaw was definitely in the rookie doghouse after one or two fumbles early on. Was only thrust into the lineup after Ward (and Ware?) got hurt in 07. Smith was a result of need (who else to play slot), Jacobs was a role player (he cultures how many TDs from Tiki btwn 05 and 06 because it was goal to go from the 5 when he actually ran with balls? Boss, Ballard, Tye. Need, need, need. Who exactly did they beat out for those jobs? Richburg? Colossal need...we played him out of position even!


That leaves Kennard and Hawkins as the only two who made it to the field and having beaten out vets. Hank was a 2nd rounder though (right?). Kennard really earned his spot as a starter.

A sixth round WR out of UConn who was playing behind ODB, possibly Cruz, Randle and Harris and even Myles White....that rookie isn't going get on the field under TC if he can help it. I doubt he was getting 2nd team reps. Hope he gets more of a chance this year
RE: RE: think 81_Great_Dane  
81_Great_Dane : 5/25/2016 12:49 am : link
In comment 12969832 David in LA said:
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I have a feeling that Davis is the darkhorse to crack the top 3 at WR.
That would represent a huge step forward for Davis -- or a collapse by Victor Cruz and/or Dwayne Harris and/or Sterling Shepard.
I'm not counting on Cruz to get back to the field  
David in LA : 5/25/2016 1:18 am : link
until I see him. I think Shepard will start or get his feet warm by playing the slot. Geremy Davis isn't a burner, but he has 'good enough' speed, and he seems to have a knack for winning his battles when the ball is in the air. I'm not knocking Harris, I think he rotates in as the 3rd or 4th guy. We really need him healthy for special teams.
RE: think 81_Great_Dane  
Klaatu : 5/25/2016 8:04 am : link
In comment 12969766 ColHowPepper said:
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more or less nails it; Eli is giving measured kudos and does not want to go on record with anything negative. It was the "hopefully" that made me assess it a bit more critically. Obviously, Eli doesn't make the calls on WR playing time, and he's not going to but heads with BM or his OC or WR coach. What would you have him say Klaatu?


I don't know that I'd have him say anything. I don't know why he said what he said. I don't know if it was in response to a direct question about Davis, or about the WRs in general, or what? All I know is that it was printed at Giants.com and I thought it was worth re-posting here. Why? Because it isn't about Beckham, or Shepard, or even Cruz. It's about a 6th round pick who was barely a footnote in 2015, but who is obviously being given a huge opportunity in 2016, and by all accounts is making the most of it so far. That's it. If you want to dissect or parse everything Eli said about him, well, go ahead. I don't care. I think it's silly, but, whatever.

We've had numerous threads and comments from people who want the Giants to sign Anquan Boldin. Now Brian Hartline is the flavor of the month since he was cut by the Browns. I suspect that in the coming months, any WR of note who shakes loose from another team will merit his own "kick the tires" thread, too. Like the proverbial scorpion, it's in BBI's nature. However, as I (and others) have pointed out, the Giants don't seem to be in any kind of a rush to bring in a veteran WR, not at this stage of the game. It seems to me that right now they're focusing on finding just what they have in-house. Geremy Davis is part of that. Again, that's it.
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JPinstripes : 5/25/2016 8:11 am : link
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more or less nails it; Eli is giving measured kudos and does not want to go on record with anything negative. It was the "hopefully" that made me assess it a bit more critically. Obviously, Eli doesn't make the calls on WR playing time, and he's not going to but heads with BM or his OC or WR coach. What would you have him say Klaatu?



I don't know that I'd have him say anything. I don't know why he said what he said. I don't know if it was in response to a direct question about Davis, or about the WRs in general, or what? All I know is that it was printed at Giants.com and I thought it was worth re-posting here. Why? Because it isn't about Beckham, or Shepard, or even Cruz. It's about a 6th round pick who was barely a footnote in 2015, but who is obviously being given a huge opportunity in 2016, and by all accounts is making the most of it so far. That's it. If you want to dissect or parse everything Eli said about him, well, go ahead. I don't care. I think it's silly, but, whatever.

We've had numerous threads and comments from people who want the Giants to sign Anquan Boldin. Now Brian Hartline is the flavor of the month since he was cut by the Browns. I suspect that in the coming months, any WR of note who shakes loose from another team will merit his own "kick the tires" thread, too. Like the proverbial scorpion, it's in BBI's nature. However, as I (and others) have pointed out, the Giants don't seem to be in any kind of a rush to bring in a veteran WR, not at this stage of the game. It seems to me that right now they're focusing on finding just what they have in-house. Geremy Davis is part of that. Again, that's it.


Very good summary Klaatu.
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ColHowPepper : 5/25/2016 8:36 am : link
I've not subscribed to that meme, or myth. I've been critical of TC in a number of ways, but I think he gets a bad rap on this one. Smith, Bradshaw, Jacobs, TEs (Boss, Ballard, Tye), Odell, Richburg, Pugh, Flowers, Hankins (a bit), Kennard (injuries cut him short), et al. They saw the field because they could play, not because TC "had" to play them.

I think the rap that you ascribe to TC (and, believe me, I'm no Homer Jones 45) is because he was saddled for so many years with so many draft picks who could not play: again, if they didn't see the field early, they rarely, rarely ever did because there was no talent and/or no will. The Giants' drafts and rosters after 2008 speak for themselves.
whoops, sorry chop,  
ColHowPepper : 5/25/2016 8:41 am : link
I went to bed after thinking I submitted, and didn't look up the thread far enough this AM to see you, and Klaatu, had replied to some comments, so I'll have some coffee and read replies
As an athletic package, Davis is impressive  
Bob in Newburgh : 5/25/2016 10:53 am : link
Excellent 40 for a big, possession type at 4.49. Excellent VJ at 36.5. Excellent strength with 23 reps. Excellent hands and leadership qualities.

Big problem was gearing down for his cuts. This can be a fatal flaw if due to lack of flexibility. It can also be something that he did not need to work on in college due to the other superior qualities. I suspect we will soon see.

With OBJ, we are not requiring a #1 WR. If this guy can get open against single coverage, or find the hole in a zone and sit down, that is all we really need.
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