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NFT: Best songwriters of the Rock/Folk Rock years?

yatqb : 5/24/2016 6:24 pm
I think that Dylan is in another universe, but beyond him who do you like?

I think that Lennon/McCartney, Paul Simon, Joni Mitchell and Bruce Springsteen should all be in the conversation.

Thoughts on whom you'd pick?
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Shit  
feelflows : 5/24/2016 9:11 pm : link
How can I forget the man who's music I was listening to all day....

Jamie Robbie Robertson
RE: Lamont Dozier  
LadyGiant : 5/24/2016 9:15 pm : link
In comment 12969963 Reb8thVA said:
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And the Holland brothers from Motown


From the early days until 1968 they were Motown

RE: Shit  
yatqb : 5/24/2016 9:17 pm : link
In comment 12969994 feelflows said:
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How can I forget the man who's music I was listening to all day....

Jamie Robbie Robertson


I thought of him too...tremendous talent, but he didn't seem to me to be as productive as the others mentioned.
Sorry, Moon.  
NJGiantFan84 : 5/24/2016 9:18 pm : link
I read through most of the thread but skimmed a few posts and missed it. Apologies.
I really like Paul Simon...  
manh george : 5/24/2016 9:19 pm : link
for his clever lyrics and really diversified set of song styles.

I guess Willie Nelson doesn't count as rock/folk rock, but his songbook is also superior. Crazy, Hello Walls, Angel Flying Too Close to the Ground, Funny How Time Slips Away, On the Road Again, Whiskey River, etc.

Ironically, one of my favorite songs of all time is Willie Nelson doing Paul Simon's "Graceland." I am fairly unusual in that regard, I think.
Hmm  
madhatter9382 : 5/24/2016 9:20 pm : link
I'm going to go with Tom Petty as well,he has so many songs that most haven't heard and it's pretty impressive.
RE: RE: Not a single mention of John Prine? For shame...  
j_rud : 5/24/2016 9:20 pm : link
In comment 12969937 feelflows said:
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In comment 12969931 j_rud said:


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Johnny Cash considers the man Americas greatest songwriter. That's good enough for me.



My wife is making me go to Nashville for his 70th Bday.

He doesn't do it for me, but she's obsessed.


That's gonna be a good one. Imagine the guests he's going to have. I'm guessing Bonnie Rait will be a shoe-in with Angel from Montgomery.
RE: Sorry, Moon.  
Moondawg : 5/24/2016 9:22 pm : link
In comment 12970010 NJGiantFan84 said:
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I read through most of the thread but skimmed a few posts and missed it. Apologies.


Just Don't Do Me Like That again.
RE: RE: Shit  
feelflows : 5/24/2016 9:24 pm : link
In comment 12970006 yatqb said:
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In comment 12969994 feelflows said:


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How can I forget the man who's music I was listening to all day....

Jamie Robbie Robertson



I thought of him too...tremendous talent, but he didn't seem to me to be as productive as the others mentioned.


After his albums writing for The Band he did a bunch of soundtracks and very good solo albums. More of a world \ native American sound to his solo albums, but some great recordings
all great calls - wouldn't disagree with any -  
Del Shofner : 5/24/2016 9:24 pm : link
seeing Moondawg's name made me think of Moondance -

so I would put Van Morrison in there too.
A few others on the Folk/soft rock side…  
LadyGiant : 5/24/2016 9:29 pm : link
James Taylor, Carly Simon, Judy Collins…

And although most would say that his hits were pop instead of rock, I would add David Gates from Bread. Some of his lyrics are achingly beautiful.
Lotta great names...  
Seventh Spiel : 5/24/2016 9:48 pm : link
Three more: Elvis Costello, Nick Cave, Suzanne Vega.
Carole King  
Jay in Toronto : 5/24/2016 10:00 pm : link
Queens College

would have to be on any list.

Paul Simon
Queens College

no to shabby either
sorry  
Jay in Toronto : 5/24/2016 10:00 pm : link
not too shabby
Dylan  
Bill2 : 5/24/2016 10:12 pm : link
Today. The day of his 75th Birthday
No mention of Tom Waits?  
wonderback : 5/24/2016 10:22 pm : link
Did I miss it?
John Sebastian and Phil Ochs....  
MOOPS : 5/24/2016 10:24 pm : link
deserve a mention.
Dylan, Young, Van Morrison, Springsteen  
Dry Lightning : 5/24/2016 10:36 pm : link
Those four are titanic talents.
Jim Morrison and Robbie Robertson  
Rick in Dallas : 5/24/2016 11:10 pm : link
Need to be added to the list.
RE: No mention of Tom Waits?  
NJGiantFan84 : 5/24/2016 11:38 pm : link
In comment 12970071 wonderback said:
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Did I miss it?


He was mentioned about halfway down page #1 I believe.
Half the posts...  
Chris in Philly : 5/24/2016 11:39 pm : link
are people saying "how come X wasn't mentioned" after X was mentioned. Hahaha
Bernie Taupin just keeps handing over songs to ...  
Manny in CA : 5/25/2016 12:03 am : link
Elton John.
eric bazillian  
markky : 5/25/2016 6:16 am : link
for a behind the scenes songwriter. harkens back to the motown or brill building songwriting folks.
.  
Cruzin : 5/25/2016 7:11 am : link
Roger Waters
Frank Zappa
Roger Hodgson
Jon Anderson
Curtis Mayfield
Richie Havens
Steve Goodman


Carole King is well represented here but I didn't see Gerry Goffin mentioned.
Curtis Mayfield already mentioned  
Cruzin : 5/25/2016 7:39 am : link

and rightly so

I'll replace him with Ian Anderson.
Richie Furay  
Rick in Dallas : 5/25/2016 7:55 am : link
Hall of Fame songwriter for Buffalo Springfield and Poco one of my favorite bands in late 60's and early 70's.
Ray Davies  
Maineline : 5/25/2016 8:15 am : link
Large ommission.
RE: Ray Davies  
Maineline : 5/25/2016 8:17 am : link
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Large omission.
Just a few more names  
pjcas18 : 5/25/2016 8:30 am : link
who are probably a notch below the names already mentioned.

Thom Yorke: Radiohead
Frank Black: Pixies/Frank Black/Black Francis
Morrisey: The Smiths/Morrisey
Agreed  
Cruzin : 5/25/2016 8:30 am : link

Some considered him the most respected songwriter of the '60's British Invasion, which included Lennon/McCartney.

In all honesty, I thought of him for my list but forgot to type him in.
Post was referencing Ray Davies  
Cruzin : 5/25/2016 8:31 am : link
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No Lou Reed?  
Popeye : 5/25/2016 8:39 am : link
Pete Townshend
Kris Kristofferson
None for Neil Peart?  
timintey : 5/25/2016 8:43 am : link
Worst has to be Chris Martin
feelflows  
Popeye : 5/25/2016 8:46 am : link
mentioned Reed.

How about David Bowie?

rebel yell  
Popeye : 5/25/2016 8:47 am : link
mentioned Bowie. I give up.
RE: Half the posts...  
feelflows : 5/25/2016 9:13 am : link
In comment 12970138 Chris in Philly said:
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are people saying "how come X wasn't mentioned" after X was mentioned. Hahaha


Didn't Mike Love write such great songs as...ummm....Everyone's In Love With You and...hmm Goin To The Beach?? Blech
RE: Richie Furay  
feelflows : 5/25/2016 9:16 am : link
In comment 12970235 Rick in Dallas said:
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Hall of Fame songwriter for Buffalo Springfield and Poco one of my favorite bands in late 60's and early 70's.


Listened to Poco this morning. Hell , his best song was a BS song...kind woman.

Pickin Up The Pieces is a masterpiece. Think about Stills/Young/Furay production immediately after BS. Wowoeowo
Pete  
deeee : 5/25/2016 9:33 am : link
Townshend. The Beatles had Lennon/McCartney and Harrison. The Stones had Mick, Keith, et al. Zep had Page, Plant and all the old blues writers they borrowed from or ripped off.

The Who had Pete. Yes, Entwistle wrote a few, but it was 95% Pete.
For me, after Pete  
deeee : 5/25/2016 9:36 am : link
some other greats:
Tom Waits
Robbie Robertson
Bob Marley
Roger Waters
how could I forget  
deeee : 5/25/2016 9:37 am : link
Neil Young.
Lennon/McCartney  
Csonka : 5/25/2016 9:42 am : link
Paul wrote some amazing stuff. He also wrote some silly, simplistic stuff that drove John crazy ... because John was such a pompous prick! Love the talent, but what a dick.
Gonna try to rejuvenate this convo with some modern names...  
j_rud : 5/25/2016 9:50 am : link
Sam Beam (Iron and Wine- any man here with a daughter should listen to Biting your Tail. Right now)
Conor Oberst
Jeff Tweedy
M. Ward

Iron and Wine-Biting your Tail - ( New Window )
Like Jeff Tweedy  
deeee : 5/25/2016 10:13 am : link
a lot.
John Fogerty should be mentioned  
averagejoe : 5/25/2016 10:26 am : link
He wrote more hit tunes in a four year period than most of these artists had in a lifetime. He belongs in the conversation. Chrissie Hynde too.

RE: Like Jeff Tweedy  
j_rud : 5/25/2016 11:36 am : link
In comment 12970457 deeee said:
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a lot.


It's been quite a process for him and his band in general (and make no mistake, it is Tweedy's band) but he stepped out of the shadow of Jay Farrar and at this point has surpassed Farrar in every way possible. Although I must say, New Multitudes was a great album (Farrar, Anders Parker, Will Johnson, and Jim James, who IMHO is the best frontman in rock music these days with My Morning Jacket). Chorine My Sheba Queen and Empty Bed Blues are incredible songs. Then again, they're Woodie Guthrie songs.
RE: John Fogerty should be mentioned  
j_rud : 5/25/2016 11:38 am : link
In comment 12970492 averagejoe said:
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He wrote more hit tunes in a four year period than most of these artists had in a lifetime. He belongs in the conversation. Chrissie Hynde too.


Always thought it was funny that for,all their hits, Creedences best song, IMO and the opinions of many others never saw radio play: Ramble Tamble. Now that's a kick-ass tune...
Neal Peart,  
Randy in CT : 5/25/2016 11:44 am : link
baby!!
If we're going contemporary artists  
Davisian : 5/25/2016 11:45 am : link
There's no better songwriter in the game right now than Jason Isbell

RE: John Fogerty should be mentioned  
Cruzin : 5/25/2016 11:51 am : link
In comment 12970492 averagejoe said:
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He wrote more hit tunes in a four year period than most of these artists had in a lifetime. He belongs in the conversation. Chrissie Hynde too.


Therein lies the crux of the biscuit, just because a songwriter has multiple hits, does that qualify him/her as a great songwriter?

As an example ( I'll pick someone not mentioned here as to not trash anyone's selection) Jim Steinman wrote "Bat Out Of Hell", one of the best selling albums in history and a soundtrack to millions of people's childhoods.. I wouldn't consider Steinman a great songwriter even though he's compared himself to Jim Morrison ( which deserves a hearty scoff). Exposure is key to how an artist is viewed and is not an accurate way to determine the quality of songs in any one artists collection.
RE: If we're going contemporary artists  
j_rud : 5/25/2016 11:52 am : link
In comment 12970643 Davisian said:
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There's no better songwriter in the game right now than Jason Isbell


He's up there, should have had him on my list. I have a rather wealthy friend who has legit concerts in his yard every summer. Isbell and the 400 Unit were there a few years back and it was great. Very cool guy too. Last year was John McCauley of Deer Tick, who is actually a damn fine writer in his own right.
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