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Why Giants’ interchangeable LBs are blessing and curse

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/24/2016 7:22 pm
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Jasper Brinkley is entering his eighth NFL season. Never before has he been surrounded with so much experience at linebacker. Brinkley is one of eight players at the position on the Giants roster, and seven of them have fairly extensive NFL resumes.

“This is the first time I ever been in a room this deep with the talent that we have,’’ Brinkley told The Post after a recent practice. “Every guy has started and is capable of being a starter somewhere. I think that’s a great attribute.’’

The team’s only linebacker new in the NFL is B.J. Goodson, a rookie from Clemson who just might be the Giants’ middle linebacker of the future....

Why Giants’ interchangeable LBs are blessing and curse - ( New Window )
I was thinking  
chopperhatch : 5/24/2016 7:34 pm : link
This exact thing the other day. In addition to the experience, there is a lot of versatility. Thumpers in Goods on and Brinkley. Decent athleticism in Robinson and Cadillac. Pass rush in Kennard. I like the direction. Not necessary for us to spend big dollars in FA or draft LB high. Build a stable of quality players with different skill sets.
The problem  
robbieballs2003 : 5/24/2016 8:23 pm : link
Is the MLB is like the QB of the defense and to a slightly lesser extent the same can be said about the S position. When you have guys at these positions moving in and out of the lineup for multiple reasons it becomes like Dallas' O last year when Romo went down.
You almost make it sound,  
Doomster : 5/24/2016 9:04 pm : link
like there isn't a linebacker problem...
The reality is the talent is at the level  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/24/2016 9:13 pm : link
Of good back up to low end starter at best.

The two youngest guys seem to have the most upside. It's a big streatch to say all the experience somehow might make up for Reese's shitty job of stocking that postion.
RE: The reality is the talent is at the level  
RetroJint : 5/24/2016 10:27 pm : link
In comment 12969997 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Of good back up to low end starter at best.

The two youngest guys seem to have the most upside. It's a big streatch to say all the experience somehow might make up for Reese's shitty job of stocking that postion.

Casillas is running with the first unit. As long as that situation continues, I am skeptical about the unit.
Brinkley  
Joey in VA : 5/24/2016 11:13 pm : link
Was very very good last year when he stepped in, he actually plays LB between the tackles the way it's taught. If you can count on that in the A and B, the OLBs have more freedom to attack. Kennard NEEDS TO STAY healthy but he has plenty of talent and desire, we just need a WILL to step forward and I think it will be Robinson honestly. He's a move strike type of LB, he's not a MLB except for in sub packages, where I expect him to supplant Casillas or Thomas.

Thomas will be a swing guy as will Casillas and I think Goodson is a Brinkley clone as a two down two gap run stuffer.
Well what the hell  
George : 5/24/2016 11:27 pm : link
did you expect Brinkley to say to a reporter who asked him his opinion about his teammates? "Uh, I think four of those guys suck balls, and the other three are probably third stringers for every other team in the league"?

We have a linebacking corps made up primarily of journeymen - or those soon to be - plain and simple. I'm hoping Kennard stays healthy and Goodson is better than advertised. But I'm a Giants' fan, and I've learned the hard way not to get my hopes up over mid round LBs.
In other words...  
M.S. : 5/25/2016 3:56 am : link

...no top shelf talent at the Linebacker position.

It probably IS at least LITTLE better  
David B. : 5/25/2016 8:41 am : link
If they can stay healthy (which seems daunting). Part of LB problem last year was the weak DL. These same LBs might look a bit better with Snacks and Hankins in the middle.
RE: In other words...  
BlueLou : 5/25/2016 9:00 am : link
In comment 12970187 M.S. said:
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...no top shelf talent at the Linebacker position.


Kennard When healthy has definitely looked top shelf. Prob is when and if healthy with him. Robinson has flashed - also when healthy - and Goodson looks the part and was a favorite of Sy's...

There is potential at least among them.
RE: You almost make it sound,  
Randy in CT : 5/25/2016 9:58 am : link
In comment 12969983 Doomster said:
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like there isn't a linebacker problem...
Maybe there isn't?
Do we have any superstars at LB?  
Klaatu : 5/25/2016 10:26 am : link
No.

Do we have serviceable LBs who can thrive with an improved D-Line and Secondary?

Probably.

The key, as always, is for the corps to stay relatively healthy.
Kennard, Robinson, and Goodson can be more than just "servicable"  
PatersonPlank : 5/25/2016 10:32 am : link
linebackers if they stay healthy. Brinkley and Cassilas are fine as backups. This position could be much improved.
I'll settle for serviceable.  
Klaatu : 5/25/2016 10:35 am : link
As opposed to crappy.
to paraphrase Casey Stengel, you got 8 starting LBs,  
Victor in CT : 5/25/2016 11:06 am : link
you got none.
You negative Nancy's should just stifle.  
Randy in CT : 5/25/2016 11:11 am : link
We infused a bunch of talent this off-season which will impact other positions as well.
Good news is that Giants somewhat "improved" the LB roster  
Jimmy Googs : 5/25/2016 11:39 am : link
this offseason. The new additions should be enough to send guys like Thomas and Casillas to the bench, and Herzlich and Unga (gone already) to new careers in life. All these are good things for both the defense and overall roster quality.

Bad news is that we still lack someone with sufficient speed/atheticism to handle the primary coverage responsibilities in the seams and flats. And preferably a guy who can be relied upon to stay on the field for all 3 downs. Next year's issue to address I hope.

Overall - a few more rungs up the ladder to success...

I just wonder -on DL- what Odiggy can add  
idiotsavant : 5/25/2016 11:55 am : link
and, if its not all that much, could h be a situational extra rush linesman as a 'LB' such as kiwi did, at times.

He still looks a bit small for a DL'er.
BBI says odiggy is 270, but he sure looks more like  
idiotsavant : 5/25/2016 12:00 pm : link
250, who knows, maybe he is lights out quick at DE this year.
Goodson has not played a down in the NFL  
Vanzetti : 5/25/2016 12:23 pm : link
and 31 teams passed him over 3 or 4 times. He was not good enough to start his first three years in college. But hope springs eternal, so now he is the MLB of the future and a guy with "potential."

In reality, he probably lacks the speed and quickness to be an every down LB in today's pass happy NFL. Giants were weak in the middle, so he is not a bad gamble in the 4th round. Helps sure up a weakness. However, it is a lot more likely that he is out of the NFL in five years than that he becomes a stalwart at MLB.
I thought Goodson did start on the outside for Clemson  
Jimmy Googs : 5/25/2016 12:37 pm : link
in 2014. And then he moved to MLB in 2015.

Maybe not...
RE: Goodson has not played a down in the NFL  
Klaatu : 5/25/2016 1:11 pm : link
In comment 12970744 Vanzetti said:
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and 31 teams passed him over 3 or 4 times. He was not good enough to start his first three years in college. But hope springs eternal, so now he is the MLB of the future and a guy with "potential."

In reality, he probably lacks the speed and quickness to be an every down LB in today's pass happy NFL. Giants were weak in the middle, so he is not a bad gamble in the 4th round. Helps sure up a weakness. However, it is a lot more likely that he is out of the NFL in five years than that he becomes a stalwart at MLB.


You could have said the same thing about Jasper Brinkley, a former 5th round pick (#150 overall) who's heading into his 8th season. Chase Blackburn, hardly the most athletic of linebackers, played ten years in the league. The reality is that you just don't know. No one knows. It's easy to say that he'll be out of the NFL in five years because most 4th round picks probably are, but if he can stay healthy (something that Jon Goff couldn't do), he could find a home with the Giants for a long time, just like Blackburn.
The LB unit has improved.  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/25/2016 2:13 pm : link
As Klaatu said, they aren't superstars, but they are serviceable.

I lay odds most of you running your yaps know nothing about most of the new guys. *cough* *doomster*

Just because you haven't heard their names on ESPN doesn't mean they are bad players.
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