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NFT: About to have my first Pliny the Elder. Bottle date 1/18/16

BNY Giants Club : 5/24/2016 8:43 pm
I've read this needs to be consumed within 2 months of bottle date to get full experience. Can anyone provide feedback? I live close to Boston so this is a tough one to get ahold of.
Like any beer it is better fresh.  
ktinsc : 5/24/2016 8:57 pm : link
Had an opportunity to visit the brewery two years ago and it was very good. They would not sell their beer at room temp and were pretty obnoxious about suggesting that I make every effort to keep it cold until it reached it's destination.

Hopefully yours was not chilled then warmed and rechilled. It is hard to come by but that helps create it's mystique. Pliny is very good but I'd put several other IPA's on par with it. Some of them are in the Burlington, VT area.
Thanks K.  
BNY Giants Club : 5/24/2016 9:07 pm : link
I've opened it since starting this thread and while it's still a nice tasting, rounded beer, it seems clear that it's missing some structure from a few of the reviews I've read.
*still has a nice taste  
BNY Giants Club : 5/24/2016 9:08 pm : link
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*it  
BNY Giants Club : 5/24/2016 9:09 pm : link
FAIL
Any hoppy beer is best fresh, as the hop aromas etc, lessen over time.  
drkenneth : 5/24/2016 9:11 pm : link
It won't go bad, but I'd drink the Pliny this weekend. Perfect way to kick off the summer.

I've had Pliny, and it's great, but as noted above- Vermont is producing awesome beers. Heady Topper (The Alchemist) is the best IPA (and beer) I've ever had.

Enjoy!
I Had Some Straight From The Brewery  
Trainmaster : 5/24/2016 9:15 pm : link
at a trip to Santa Rosa. Given I'm not an IPA, I doubted I would enjoy it and I was right. Way too hoppy for my taste.
Given I'm Not  
Trainmaster : 5/24/2016 9:16 pm : link
an IPA fan ...
If you really enjoy a good beer try to get up to the Burlington area.  
ktinsc : 5/24/2016 9:18 pm : link
Hill Farmstead, Alchemist and Lawson's Liquids are all outstanding. Go to Prohibition Pig for decent BBQ and a great sampling from many of the local breweries.
There is a regular on BBI who is a local to the area.  
ktinsc : 5/24/2016 9:22 pm : link
I'll be shocked if he doesn't chime in. He seems very knowledgeable about the area breweries.

I live in the craft beer Mecca of southern CA. There are so many excellent breweries out here it's an embarrassment of riches.
I think Bold Ruler is the guy.  
drkenneth : 5/24/2016 9:33 pm : link
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Stone Ruination makes one of my favorite stouts, K.  
BNY Giants Club : 5/24/2016 9:36 pm : link
I believe you're referring to Bold Ruler. I presume he's had a fresh Pliny at some point.
drkenneth  
BNY Giants Club : 5/24/2016 9:38 pm : link
I had my first Heady back in Dec and it was awesome.
RE: drkenneth  
drkenneth : 5/24/2016 9:43 pm : link
In comment 12970032 BNY Giants Club said:
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I had my first Heady back in Dec and it was awesome.


Such a unique beer (Heady). Closest I've had to it is Cartons 077xx...

Pliny and Heady  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/24/2016 11:21 pm : link
are both overrated imo. I'd take most the better IPA's from Hill Farmstead,Tree house, and Tired Hands(just to name a few breweries) over both.
I have to disagree with "IPA has to stay cold"  
chopperhatch : 5/24/2016 11:54 pm : link
Crowd. Maybe with but doubles are meant to be aged because of the alcohol in the brew. In fact that's where they get their name. Alcohol preserves the beer to an extent. The main thing you should be protective about is light and temp CHANGE. Dogfish 120 actually needs to be kept for a year at least in a cellar.
Yes you  
Metnut : 5/25/2016 8:22 am : link
should drink it as fresh as possible. It's meant to be consumed pretty soon after its brewed.

If you enjoy strong IPAs, you'll really enjoy Pliny. It's excellent. However, I do think it's a bit overhyped. Beer drinkers are spoiled these days and there's plenty of breweries making strong IPAs that are in the same league as Pliny. Locally in NY, Other Half and Singlecut come to mind.
I loved Pliny the Elder on draft in California  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 5/25/2016 8:35 am : link
One of the best beers I've ever had on draft. I do think that Russian River overall is overrated. I have the Stone Enjoy by 5.30 waiting to kick-off Memorial Day weekend.

However over the last year, I do find myself migrating aay from IPAs to traditional Pale Ales - Bronx Brewery, Lagunitas, even Blue Point. In the winter, I've already moved on to warmers most of the time. Likely need a break from hops.
not to hijack the thread, but I have some good recs for the hop heads  
ShocknAwe80 : 5/25/2016 9:11 am : link
Lagunitas "The Waldo's"- From their one hitter series which means a limited run. See if you can find a six pack of it, it is INCREDIBLE and a dangerous 10% (because this beer begs to be consumed)

The Other Half "All Green Everything": Just as good as Heady, but only available from the brewery in Brooklyn

Sam Adams Rebel Raw: sold in 4 pack 16oz cans 10% has to be consumed within 30 days of canning... Sam's best IPA effort yet.
Heady Topper has been  
pjcas18 : 5/25/2016 9:23 am : link
topped allegedly.

by some offerings from Treehouse breweries (Munson, MA) Good morning, Haze, Julius, King Julius - all my IPA loving friends rave about this place and they go and stand in line waiting for the privilege to overpay for beer and they have multiple quality options.

Also, some of these friends say it's also passed by Sip of Sunshine and that is brewed in Stratford, CT I believe.

I've even heard Focal Banger from the Alchemist (same brewer as Heady Topper) gives Heady Topper a run for its money. I have not tried it yet.

But I have tried Heady Topper several times in the past few years, I am not generally an IPA fan. Rarely in life do things that are so massively hyped live up to their reputation, but Heady Topper absolutely did.

it's the best beer I've had.
RE: I loved Pliny the Elder on draft in California  
ShocknAwe80 : 5/25/2016 9:32 am : link
In comment 12970285 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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One of the best beers I've ever had on draft. I do think that Russian River overall is overrated. I have the Stone Enjoy by 5.30 waiting to kick-off Memorial Day weekend.

However over the last year, I do find myself migrating aay from IPAs to traditional Pale Ales - Bronx Brewery, Lagunitas, even Blue Point. In the winter, I've already moved on to warmers most of the time. Likely need a break from hops.


Had the stone Enjoy by 5-30 on draft last weekend... It was very very good
Hey, Pliny is great but 4 months is certainly past prime  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 5/25/2016 9:57 am : link
Having said that, it should still be delicious. Wondering how much the hops will have dropped off.
chopperhatch  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 5/25/2016 9:58 am : link
for me, an unfiltered IPA certainly needs to stay cold. Heat will kill the big hop profile.
pjcas18...TreeHouse is 100% legit  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 5/25/2016 10:01 am : link
I wont get into the which is better debate. That's entirely subjective. But a fresh Julius is as juicy and tropical as any unfiltered IPA around. It's incredible. All of their beers are top notch.

The other I would point out would be Trillum out of Boston. All of their IPAs are world class and a lot more obtainable than Tree House or Alchemist
If you get to the Burlington area... try and grab some of these  
vulcaninvt : 5/25/2016 12:02 pm : link
Burlington Beer Co. - It's Complicated Being A Wizard
Fiddlehead- Second Fiddle
Alchemist- Focal Banger

These are lesser known beers, but IMO they are very tasty. Heady used to be my go to, it's been trumped by Wizard. This could be because I've been spoiled and have had Heady for years..

As already mentioned, anything from Hill Farmstead is top notch.

RE: Given I'm Not  
SomeFan : 5/25/2016 12:41 pm : link
In comment 12970002 Trainmaster said:
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an IPA fan ...


I am the same on IPAs.

For those not partial to IPAs like me and Trainmaster, permit me to make the following suggestions for your Memorial Day weekend -

If you have not tried them yet, I'd suggest trying some Belgian Blondes or Triples (Duvel, Karmeleit, Kwak, etal). They are not hoppy or bitter and not sweet either. When I tried my first Belgian Blonde, I had a feeling that this is what beer is supposed to be. I am on a Karmeleit binge these days.

On some occasions (like this weekend) I will drink some German lagers. Anything from Ayinger is really good. In fact, the Ayinger Maibock is pretty much in season though slightly late. If you can find it, try Einbecker Mai-ur-Bock or the Hofbrau version, they are both good too. I brought Einbecker to one of the two BBI tailgates I went to. I can recall Dave in DC and others drinking a few and liking them.

If you want to sat All-American for Memorial Day, there are some very good US breweries that also make the above and they are excellent. Ommegang, Troegs, Abita are all kick-ass breweries who make versions of the above that in some ways are actually better. But it is really a matter of taste with which one becomes somewhat of a staple for you. I have three Karmeleits in the fridge right now - if only I could drink them while working.
This is not to say that I never drink an IPA  
SomeFan : 5/25/2016 12:44 pm : link
I have a friend who will suggest ones he thinks I will like. I have had the 60 minute and 90 minute and think they are very good. They seem a bit sweet though to me which cuts into the hoppiness. That and their ABV strength are probably why I like them.
RE: Heady Topper has been  
SomeFan : 5/25/2016 12:48 pm : link
In comment 12970344 pjcas18 said:
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topped allegedly.

by some offerings from Treehouse breweries (Munson, MA) Good morning, Haze, Julius, King Julius - all my IPA loving friends rave about this place and they go and stand in line waiting for the privilege to overpay for beer and they have multiple quality options.

Also, some of these friends say it's also passed by Sip of Sunshine and that is brewed in Stratford, CT I believe.

I've even heard Focal Banger from the Alchemist (same brewer as Heady Topper) gives Heady Topper a run for its money. I have not tried it yet.

But I have tried Heady Topper several times in the past few years, I am not generally an IPA fan. Rarely in life do things that are so massively hyped live up to their reputation, but Heady Topper absolutely did.

it's the best beer I've had.


Yeah, at some point, I am going to have to travel to VT and see for myself what is with this Heady Topper you and many speak so fondly of.
I find it funny that many people especially in Vermont/East Coast  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 5/25/2016 1:31 pm : link
claim there is no such thing as a west coast vs east coast IPA. IMO< west coast seems to be very much about bitterness and a good hoppiness with malts very balanced. East Coast tends to be about less biterness, less malt (less sweet) and more about being extremely hop forward to the point where it's citrusy and tropical.
Bold, thanks for the reminder about Trillium  
BNY Giants Club : 5/25/2016 2:03 pm : link
I need to get my hands on some of their stuff. The Pliny was really nice but yeah, I feel like the hops weren't where they needed to be.
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26.2 : 5/25/2016 2:16 pm : link
I've had the heady topper several times (lots of relatives in VT) and while it's very good, its not the best beer I've ever had. I also had Pliney the Elder and that was also very good.

here in the DC area there are tons of breweries around and they produce very good beer (I love IPA's too, double, reg and sessions). I can walk to Port City that does a couple of good IPA's (as well as a Wit beer that seems to win every award they give). also fair winds (Lorton, VA) has a few very good beers. especially their IPA.

point being, there is good beer everywhere.
RE: Like any beer it is better fresh.  
UConn4523 : 5/25/2016 2:23 pm : link
In comment 12969980 ktinsc said:
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Had an opportunity to visit the brewery two years ago and it was very good. They would not sell their beer at room temp and were pretty obnoxious about suggesting that I make every effort to keep it cold until it reached it's destination.

Hopefully yours was not chilled then warmed and rechilled. It is hard to come by but that helps create it's mystique. Pliny is very good but I'd put several other IPA's on par with it. Some of them are in the Burlington, VT area.


I'm probably going to Burlington in July for a long weekend, which others do you recommend?
This is spot on...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/25/2016 2:25 pm : link
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I find it funny that many people especially in Vermont/East Coast
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1:31 pm : link : reply
claim there is no such thing as a west coast vs east coast IPA. IMO< west coast seems to be very much about bitterness and a good hoppiness with malts very balanced. East Coast tends to be about less biterness, less malt (less sweet) and more about being extremely hop forward to the point where it's citrusy and tropical.


The IPA's coming from Oregon and California have a much different character than those in New England. Bold Ruler put it correctly - there end result is much more towards a citrus profile where the west coast ones are more to a bitter pine profile.

I like both, but this time of year and in the Summer, the New England IPA's are what I lean towards.
Sip of Sunshine ie tops for me  
UConn4523 : 5/25/2016 2:26 pm : link
and now that Two Roads distributes for them, its starting to be slightly easier to find. Picked up a 4 pack a few weeks back for $13.50 as opposed to $20 around the holidays.

Finally had G-Bot and its great, but SoS has it beat.

Hopefully will try some Heady Topper when I get to VT in a couple months, along with countless others!
I like All Day IPA  
pjcas18 : 5/25/2016 2:33 pm : link
from Founders in Grand Rapids, MI.

Where would they fit in the East Coast vs West Coast style?

RE: I like All Day IPA  
UConn4523 : 5/25/2016 2:34 pm : link
In comment 12970976 pjcas18 said:
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from Founders in Grand Rapids, MI.

Where would they fit in the East Coast vs West Coast style?


All Day is great for the Summer. Since its a session its light on punch but still has some flavor. Definitely a go to if i plan on having more than a couple at a time.
RE: I like All Day IPA  
26.2 : 5/25/2016 2:55 pm : link
In comment 12970976 pjcas18 said:
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from Founders in Grand Rapids, MI.

Where would they fit in the East Coast vs West Coast style?


I would say its more like the EC IPA's.
RE: RE: Like any beer it is better fresh.  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 5/25/2016 3:34 pm : link
In comment 12970964 UConn4523 said:
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I'm probably going to Burlington in July for a long weekend, which others do you recommend?


Here's what you do
1) Decide if it's worth the 1.5 hour drive to Hill Farmstead or not. IMO, worth every minute.
2) Maybe the new Alchemist brewery will be open in Stowe when you visit (supposed to be early/mid July)
3) Visit Fiddlehead in Shelburne for Mastermind and growlers.
4) Visit Burlington Beer Company in Williston.

Beers to get in stores...
Heady Topper
Anything from Foley Brothers especially Prospect
Lush from Frost Brewing
Conehead from Zero Gravity

Bars to visit...
Farmhouse for taplist
Manhattan Pizza for pizza and Hill Farmstead
Go to Waterbury and eat/drink at Prohibition Pig, The Reservoir and Blackback pub.
What PjCas and Bold Ruler said.........  
Ry in NY : 5/25/2016 3:56 pm : link
Pliny and Heady, while both great beers, are all hyped up. Anytime I can get some though I take it because of trade value here in NJ. I went to Portland, OR last year and asked a bar tender for it. He looked defeated and said no but can recommend 3-4 that will kill it. Too each his own though. Treehouse is killing it. Other Half in BK has been amazing at times (long lines). Trillium is great too. Frequent trips to Portland, ME brought me to Bissel Bros and Foundation. Ephiphany is one of my fav beers. Did a Vermont run last month for the Lawson's Anny Party. Left with a full car of Lawsons, Heady, Sip and lucky to be there for a release of Second Fiddle too. Farmhouse and Prohibiton Pig are great places. Jersey is getting there. Kane and Carton have been great local places for a while and Magnify off 46 in Fairfield has produced some good solid beer lately too.
And of course Hill Farmstead.....  
Ry in NY : 5/25/2016 3:59 pm : link
but that is a given. I enjoy Focal Banger more than heady. Both ain't easy to get.
Maine  
giantsblue1 : 5/25/2016 4:12 pm : link
Is def. killing it. Having Allagash, Bissell Brothers, Foundation, and my favorite Maine Beer all within 15 minutes of each other makes for a convenient road trip. Also if you stop through NH try to grab some Stoneface stuff.
RE: Maine  
pjcas18 : 5/25/2016 4:24 pm : link
In comment 12971228 giantsblue1 said:
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Is def. killing it. Having Allagash, Bissell Brothers, Foundation, and my favorite Maine Beer all within 15 minutes of each other makes for a convenient road trip. Also if you stop through NH try to grab some Stoneface stuff.


they're in the same industrial park. It's like 1 minute walk from each of them. Bissell Brothers, Foundation, Austin Street (which I found to be the best of the bunch) are right across the street from Aligash - the only one who gives beer away for free.

I was dragged there last summer with some buddies who started to brew their own beer and decided they wanted to go commercial. Their "brewery" is called purgatory and is in very small private distribution right now, but they plan to grow it. Some day it will be the topic of a thread like this, LOL.
Ya it is  
giantsblue1 : 5/25/2016 4:29 pm : link
A cool scene with the food trucks and all. Just Maine Beer Company is in Freeport 15 minutes away which I think is the best of them all with usually no lines unless it's a special release.
RE: RE: Maine  
giantsblue1 : 5/25/2016 4:39 pm : link
In comment 12971253 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 12971228 giantsblue1 said:


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Is def. killing it. Having Allagash, Bissell Brothers, Foundation, and my favorite Maine Beer all within 15 minutes of each other makes for a convenient road trip. Also if you stop through NH try to grab some Stoneface stuff.



they're in the same industrial park. It's like 1 minute walk from each of them. Bissell Brothers, Foundation, Austin Street (which I found to be the best of the bunch) are right across the street from Aligash - the only one who gives beer away for free.

I was dragged there last summer with some buddies who started to brew their own beer and decided they wanted to go commercial. Their "brewery" is called purgatory and is in very small private distribution right now, but they plan to grow it. Some day it will be the topic of a thread like this, LOL.


Where they going to set up shop? I'm in southern NH so I'm an hour and a half to two hours away from all the New England hot spots.
RE: Ya it is  
pjcas18 : 5/25/2016 4:45 pm : link
In comment 12971269 giantsblue1 said:
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A cool scene with the food trucks and all. Just Maine Beer Company is in Freeport 15 minutes away which I think is the best of them all with usually no lines unless it's a special release.


Is that the one with Lunch and Dinner? If so, I've heard of them, they're popular, but I never tried any of their beer.

Also Shipyard is in Portland and while they've probably outgrown the craft beer label, they still make the only pumpkin beer I like.
RE: RE: RE: Maine  
pjcas18 : 5/25/2016 4:46 pm : link
In comment 12971280 giantsblue1 said:
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In comment 12971253 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 12971228 giantsblue1 said:


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Is def. killing it. Having Allagash, Bissell Brothers, Foundation, and my favorite Maine Beer all within 15 minutes of each other makes for a convenient road trip. Also if you stop through NH try to grab some Stoneface stuff.



they're in the same industrial park. It's like 1 minute walk from each of them. Bissell Brothers, Foundation, Austin Street (which I found to be the best of the bunch) are right across the street from Aligash - the only one who gives beer away for free.

I was dragged there last summer with some buddies who started to brew their own beer and decided they wanted to go commercial. Their "brewery" is called purgatory and is in very small private distribution right now, but they plan to grow it. Some day it will be the topic of a thread like this, LOL.



Where they going to set up shop? I'm in southern NH so I'm an hour and a half to two hours away from all the New England hot spots.


No, outside of Worcester which like everywhere else is becoming a craft beer haven. Wormtown is rapidly gaining popularity.

they'll be in Sutton or Uxbridge near Purgatory Chasm which is where they got the name.
RE: RE: Ya it is  
giantsblue1 : 5/25/2016 5:12 pm : link
In comment 12971296 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 12971269 giantsblue1 said:


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A cool scene with the food trucks and all. Just Maine Beer Company is in Freeport 15 minutes away which I think is the best of them all with usually no lines unless it's a special release.



Is that the one with Lunch and Dinner? If so, I've heard of them, they're popular, but I never tried any of their beer.

Also Shipyard is in Portland and while they've probably outgrown the craft beer label, they still make the only pumpkin beer I like.


That would be the one. I liked Austin St. too but they really only had one beer to taste when I went.
Enjoy the Pliny!  
JerryNYG : 5/25/2016 5:16 pm : link
If you like IPAs or craft beer in general, you owe it to yourself to check out Fiddlehead Brewery in Shelburne, VT. They make beers that are (IMHO) on par or better than Heady Topper. I am particularly fond of their regular Double IPA, their Mastermind Double IPA, and their Ruby Claire red ale.

I will cosign the Focal Banger, Lawson's Sip of Sunshine, and Lawson's Super Session recommendations also.
RE: I like All Day IPA  
JerryNYG : 5/25/2016 5:18 pm : link
In comment 12970976 pjcas18 said:
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from Founders in Grand Rapids, MI.

Where would they fit in the East Coast vs West Coast style?


All Day is fantastic. Love that it comes in 15 packs too!!!
RE: Maine  
SomeFan : 5/25/2016 5:18 pm : link
In comment 12971228 giantsblue1 said:
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Is def. killing it. Having Allagash, Bissell Brothers, Foundation, and my favorite Maine Beer all within 15 minutes of each other makes for a convenient road trip. Also if you stop through NH try to grab some Stoneface stuff.


Oh yeah, agree on Allagash. They make a great Tripel - as good as Ommegang. Have not tried the others.
RE: Enjoy the Pliny!  
giantsblue1 : 5/25/2016 5:21 pm : link
In comment 12971371 JerryNYG said:
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If you like IPAs or craft beer in general, you owe it to yourself to check out Fiddlehead Brewery in Shelburne, VT. They make beers that are (IMHO) on par or better than Heady Topper. I am particularly fond of their regular Double IPA, their Mastermind Double IPA, and their Ruby Claire red ale.

I will cosign the Focal Banger, Lawson's Sip of Sunshine, and Lawson's Super Session recommendations also.


Ive been able to get my hands on their Mastermind a couple years back and had their regular IPA. How hard is it to get Second Fiddle?
Second Fiddle  
JerryNYG : 5/25/2016 6:04 pm : link
They just canceled a can drop for Second Fiddle this coming weekend due to equipment failure. Usually, they do can drops monthly or bimonthly. It is available in growlers pretty consistently at the brewery, and on tap at a lot of bars and restaurants around the Burlington area.
RE: RE: I like All Day IPA  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 5/25/2016 8:10 pm : link
In comment 12970983 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 12970976 pjcas18 said:


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from Founders in Grand Rapids, MI.

Where would they fit in the East Coast vs West Coast style?




All Day is great for the Summer. Since its a session its light on punch but still has some flavor. Definitely a go to if i plan on having more than a couple at a time.


Have you tried Firestone Walker's Luponic Distortion? Under 6% and far superior to most in that range.
As for IPAs, I can second  
SwirlingEddie : 5/25/2016 11:26 pm : link
ummm... Second Fiddle. I also liked Troeg's Nugget Nectar quite a bit. Heady is Heady of course.

My favorite beer, especially this time of year, remains Saison Dupont.

Hey Bold!
Hey Bud!  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 5/26/2016 8:29 am : link
:)
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