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NFT: Harvey and Collins' Ineptitude...

ShocknAwe80 : 5/25/2016 11:30 am
Just reported on ESPN that Harvey will be making his next scheduled start...

I am not a manager, but I find this to be comical. Harvey clearly has many things to work out, the least of which IMHO is his mechanics. I think he needs some time away to find himself again, but he keeps talking his way into the rotation.

Collins has to stop listening to him and do what he feels is right.
And where is it written  
Deej : 5/25/2016 11:34 am : link
that skipping a start is more likely to put him back on track?

We have a fantastic and experienced pitching coach in Dan Warthen. I trust him on this. No guarantee Harvey will pull out of this funk, but the team's approach is not plainly wrong IMO.
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arcarsenal : 5/25/2016 11:35 am : link
Why couldn't you share this in one of the 3 existing Met threads where it is already being discussed?
RE: And where is it written  
ShocknAwe80 : 5/25/2016 11:36 am : link
In comment 12970613 Deej said:
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that skipping a start is more likely to put him back on track?

We have a fantastic and experienced pitching coach in Dan Warthen. I trust him on this. No guarantee Harvey will pull out of this funk, but the team's approach is not plainly wrong IMO.


My suggestion isn't skipping one start, it's sending him down to Florida to make 2 starts. Look, I don't think a pitcher like Harvey, with his talent, just "loses it" in the manner that it seems that he has. Darling was pointing out all sorts of mechanical things last night. The media and all that isn't helping his mental state. I think he just needs to get out of dodge for a while.
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ShocknAwe80 : 5/25/2016 11:38 am : link
In comment 12970615 arcarsenal said:
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Why couldn't you share this in one of the 3 existing Met threads where it is already being discussed?


Arc and the thread police have arrived. I started this thread because I just saw the report and didn't want it getting lost in a 2 day old thread. I don't get why people like you have to constantly do the same thing. Nobody put a gun to your head and made you read this thread.
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arcarsenal : 5/25/2016 11:41 am : link
In comment 12970628 ShocknAwe80 said:
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In comment 12970615 arcarsenal said:


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Why couldn't you share this in one of the 3 existing Met threads where it is already being discussed?



Arc and the thread police have arrived. I started this thread because I just saw the report and didn't want it getting lost in a 2 day old thread. I don't get why people like you have to constantly do the same thing. Nobody put a gun to your head and made you read this thread.


The problem is that you think your opinion is more important than everyone else's and deserves its own thread. If you sort by "last post" like most people do, you'd notice that two other Met threads are very much active right now.

I don't really understand the need for 3 separate threads to discuss the same thing.. but.. do you.
it's just common message board etiquette  
GMenLTS : 5/25/2016 11:45 am : link
people are discussing this very news on the mets/nats thread that was started ****today****


You can do whatever you please though, you wouldn't be the first on BBI to be stubborn about this typical etiquette
This isn't a Terry Collins decision,  
Section331 : 5/25/2016 11:47 am : link
it is an organizational decision. TC doesn't make decisions like this on his own, Sandy oversees the process with input from TC, Warthen and Harvey (probably Boras as well).

I'm not against them skipping a start, but I don't see how it is a cure-all. Harvey is pressing, he needs to pitch to figure it out. Maybe pitching in a less pressure-packed environment will help.
Thread starter is an obvious attention whore  
Canton : 5/25/2016 11:51 am : link
Look at me! I want to be the one who broke the news on Harvey!

Look at meeeeeeeeeeee!
Agree totally  
johnnyb : 5/25/2016 11:52 am : link
that this is a Sandy Alderson decision. Collins does not have the authority to make such a decision. Sandy runs the ship- Collins is just a mid-level manager.

That being said, I trust Alderson's judgement and agree that Warthen is one of the better pitching coaches and his input is value by Sandy- probably more than Collins' opinion is valued.
I think a lot of it is psychological with Harvey  
Vanzetti : 5/25/2016 11:58 am : link
He is overthrowing and overthinking, instead of just pitching.

I do think not throwing normally in ST hurt both Harvey and DeGrom. I understand why they did it but missing ST almost always seems to hurt players. Probably would have been better to just have them skip starts in the regular season.
Do really need another Mets thread today?  
Metnut : 5/25/2016 11:59 am : link
Also, great thread title to boot.
Matt Harvey should go on a  
PhiPsi125 : 5/25/2016 12:03 pm : link
so he can find himself again.

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