The other day he had a tweet something to the effect of blatt still thinks he is in the running for knicks job and that the reportera jumped the gun...
Now if you could get rid of calderon or get a pick from atlanta i would do it...
Noah will get 5-7 million...you can
You could spread lopezs contract out and add more pieces
Calling him an injury risk is generous - he's an injury guarantee. He'd be wise to take a lesser role on a contender. In theory, I like the idea of targeting a big in FA and using Lopez plus another asset to land a guard, but I'm not really in love with any of the options. Howard? Gasol? Horford? Whiteside? Ehhhh.
I'd have no problem giving Horford a big contract and then dealing Lopez for a guard. That's the beginnings of a pretty solid contender IMO, obviously depending on who you get at guard.
RE: RE: Other than Whitesides perimeter shooting(FT)
I'm not sure what you don't like about him statistically.
There were some very in the weeds statistical analyses earlier this season when Whiteside was destroying box scores that said Miami was a much better team without him on the court. I didnt come to a conclusion either way, but that's what I was referring to.
I'm a fan of Whitesides but there is a clear line of what he is and isn't, and if you watch Miami play. He's a tremendous offensive presence. Forces bigs to be honest and devote a lot of energy to boxing him out. Defense? Not so much. He's pretty slow laterally and has subpar awareness outside chasing blocks.
last year and he's progressing. He's got plenty of room to improve and he's already a pretty solid big. Great help defender, protects the rim, nasty on the boards and in the paint.
they are almost literally in on everyone because that's how Ainge works. He said some teams find it annoying, but it's like Reese's leave no stone un-turned, they call almost everyone about everyone.
So nothing would actually surprise me, but this would. especially if it involves the #3 pick.
I do expect the Celtics to trade the pick and I think it will be for someone like I mentioned.
in other news can anyone believe that there is a real possibility
reminds me of Wojo's ridiculous tweet from last year where he talked about Ainge trying to create a new "big 3" of RoLo, Love, and Pierce. If that doesn't prove Ainge is up his but and vice versa I don't know what will.
RE: Whiteside is also very young and raw. He burst onto the scene
last year and he's progressing. He's got plenty of room to improve and he's already a pretty solid big. Great help defender, protects the rim, nasty on the boards and in the paint.
Young and raw? The dude is 27, same age as Love who you are writing off.
I think he'd be a perfect fit on the Knicks. KP and Whiteside would be trees in the paint, spacing would be ideal.
reminds me of Wojo's ridiculous tweet from last year where he talked about Ainge trying to create a new "big 3" of RoLo, Love, and Pierce. If that doesn't prove Ainge is up his but and vice versa I don't know what will.
Funny enough, I found Pierce's name to be the odd one. Isn't he like a 56 year old trapped in a 40 something body or something like that?
that we are looking at a Finals without Golden State, SA, or Cleveland??
I picked OKC over Cleveland before the season started. I admittedly didn't stick buy it as I put money on GS to win it all once the playoffs started and while I thought OKC could take GS to 7 this is absolutely insane what's happening. But I didn't think SA really had an edge on OKC and had absolutely no one to throw on Wesbrook.
If I had to bet I think Cleveland wins the next two games. I'm just not gonna bet against Lebron-led teams unless a star moves from the west to the east.
Is you are going to eventually trade him and what better time than when his value is sky high
You willy and kp can man the 5 for the next 10 years
I wouldn't cry over trading Lopez but for Jeff Teague? Pass. It's trading 2 roughly "equal" players yet one is something very tough to find (a good big) and the other is reasonably easy to find (a non-star starting PG).
So Whitesdide was sitting in a carbon freezing chamber since being cut in the NBA? He's gotten good enough to get back in the league but expecting him to improve like Okafor or KAT is a bit optimistic. Not that that's a problem he's a top 5 center in my view. I just don't see him morphing into Olajuwan anytime soon.
Is you are going to eventually trade him and what better time than when his value is sky high
You willy and kp can man the 5 for the next 10 years
I wouldn't cry over trading Lopez but for Jeff Teague? Pass. It's trading 2 roughly "equal" players yet one is something very tough to find (a good big) and the other is reasonably easy to find (a non-star starting PG).
I agree 100% i would be looking for a first round pick for him in thia years draft...
Is you are going to eventually trade him and what better time than when his value is sky high
You willy and kp can man the 5 for the next 10 years
I wouldn't cry over trading Lopez but for Jeff Teague? Pass. It's trading 2 roughly "equal" players yet one is something very tough to find (a good big) and the other is reasonably easy to find (a non-star starting PG).
Well the intriguing thing is that if you flip Lopez and can get Teague you have plenty of room to add a center and a SG if you dump Calderon as well. If the goal is to compete with Melo this might actually be the best route. Flip Lopez to Atlanta for Teague, sign Horford/D12 and Bazemore/C Lee. You screw Atlanta hardcore in that scenario and half a legit starting 5 in one offseason.
Is you are going to eventually trade him and what better time than when his value is sky high
You willy and kp can man the 5 for the next 10 years
I wouldn't cry over trading Lopez but for Jeff Teague? Pass. It's trading 2 roughly "equal" players yet one is something very tough to find (a good big) and the other is reasonably easy to find (a non-star starting PG).
I actually come down the opposite way. A big is easy to find. Guards are impossible to get. Also, as I explained in another thread, Teague's contract is a bit of a secret weapon because his cap hold next offseason will be just $12 million. Though if you prefer Rolo, he's the same price.
is preferable to Teague. Draft Juan Hernangomez in the late first, then buy a second rounder and grab a wing player. The only way we're cleansing this franchise is through young talent that we draft and develop.
Is you are going to eventually trade him and what better time than when his value is sky high
You willy and kp can man the 5 for the next 10 years
Im not writing down Hernangomez for anything right now, let alone a desirable 10 year starter. He can easily turn out to be a heavy legged nothing. We'll just have to wait an see.
I'm still preparing myself for disappointment though.
not sure why you jumped to that. He's a raw NBA player and he still has a lot of room to grow, that was my only point.
Well my point is that he's already grown, he went from a fringe NBA player to elite center by developing overseas...
Just because you haven't played in the NBA doesn't mean you can't grow and develop, hence other European leagues and the NBA "Developmental" league.
My argument is that he is what he is. I can't think of an impact center in the league. I'd prefer Whiteside to Lopez all things considered but I don't think he adds that much more value. Outside Demarcus Cousins (and KAT if you consider him a C) I think you can replace the 2nd through 10-12th beat centers and you don't add/subtract much value.
THJR brough back #19 in a better draft. Rolo is a good player. Will probably produce ~20 winshares over the rest of his contract, and then you have bird rights to resign him. Late #1s arent nearly as valuable.
Is you are going to eventually trade him and what better time than when his value is sky high
You willy and kp can man the 5 for the next 10 years
I wouldn't cry over trading Lopez but for Jeff Teague? Pass. It's trading 2 roughly "equal" players yet one is something very tough to find (a good big) and the other is reasonably easy to find (a non-star starting PG).
I actually come down the opposite way. A big is easy to find. Guards are impossible to get. Also, as I explained in another thread, Teague's contract is a bit of a secret weapon because his cap hold next offseason will be just $12 million. Though if you prefer Rolo, he's the same price.
Just not impressed with Teague. I feel the same way about him that I feel about Batum. Very average. Kind of guy who helps you get to .500 but not a key piece of a true title contender. I don't know that Lopez is that but I don't think the Knicks are any better with Teague minus Lopez than they are now. To add to that, as you know I'm not a massive Grant believer but it's pretty reasonable to expect Grant to be "better" this year. I'd have to assume Lopez + Grant playing 20+ minutes per game = more wins than Hernangomez as a rookie + Jeff Teague and if I'm wrong it's still a push.
But arguing about how much room Whiteside has to grow
Is aside from my point. If we were trading Melo to Miami i don't like the Return that much of its just Whiteside or Winslow, unless we could flip Lopez/Whiteside onto other teams for more assets. I don't think anything really compares to the proposed Love trade where we'd get a young asset on KP's timeframe.
If Rolo gets 20 winshares over the life of his contract, that is equivalant to what the #20-21 pick is expected to do over his entire career, and for just the 4 year rookie deal, what the #2-3 pick is expected to put up (see link). His value lies somewhere in between. I.e. late lottery at worst in an average draft, and I believe this is a subpar draft for depth (not sure).
Just not impressed with Teague. I feel the same way about him that I feel about Batum. Very average. Kind of guy who helps you get to .500 but not a key piece of a true title contender. I don't know that Lopez is that but I don't think the Knicks are any better with Teague minus Lopez than they are now. To add to that, as you know I'm not a massive Grant believer but it's pretty reasonable to expect Grant to be "better" this year. I'd have to assume Lopez + Grant playing 20+ minutes per game = more wins than Hernangomez as a rookie + Jeff Teague and if I'm wrong it's still a push.
I think I like Teague, Grant, and Rolo more than you do, and Hernangomez less. Im more on board with a made up Rolo for Teague trade just because I think you can so easily put together decent enough big production from mid range free agents. Competent guard play is, IMO, a lot harder to bullshit your way through. And I think Grant and Teague could play together, if only because we're for shit at guard. But basically, the trade would be close to a push. Meaning fair.
Just not impressed with Teague. I feel the same way about him that I feel about Batum. Very average. Kind of guy who helps you get to .500 but not a key piece of a true title contender. I don't know that Lopez is that but I don't think the Knicks are any better with Teague minus Lopez than they are now. To add to that, as you know I'm not a massive Grant believer but it's pretty reasonable to expect Grant to be "better" this year. I'd have to assume Lopez + Grant playing 20+ minutes per game = more wins than Hernangomez as a rookie + Jeff Teague and if I'm wrong it's still a push.
I think I like Teague, Grant, and Rolo more than you do, and Hernangomez less. Im more on board with a made up Rolo for Teague trade just because I think you can so easily put together decent enough big production from mid range free agents. Competent guard play is, IMO, a lot harder to bullshit your way through. And I think Grant and Teague could play together, if only because we're for shit at guard. But basically, the trade would be close to a push. Meaning fair.
I'm not counting on Hernangomez for anything (let alone this year). I think Knicks fans are expecting way too much (and way too soon). Porzingis is a freak in every way. Size, IQ, athleticism for his size, shooting ability. Hernangomez is a below the rim, less than stellar athlete. I DO buy he's like adding a late first but he just as easily could be some big nobody we never hear from again once he comes over. I'd like to look at him as a bonus, not a key toward the future.
already has 34 winshares. That is the career expected production of the #9-10 pick. If he adds 20 more over the life of his contract, he will have produced at the level of a top 4 pick by age 30. It strikes me as likely that with health, Rolo will have a career worth of a top 2-3 pick. Isnt that crazy? He's sneaky productive.
[I realize that you have to accept winshares to buy this, but I think WS is possibly the best advanced stat]
suspect some of Grant's struggles stem from the over reliance on the triangle. We will see how it goes but Hornacek strikes me as a good coach for guards (his system seems very guard friendly).
feel like Hernangomez is getting some of the "Bargnani Bounce" but in reverse. People were shitting all over KP insisting "he's a euro, like... Bargnani!" now I see people penciling in Hernangomez as our future starting C because KP has been this good. If Hernangomez can give the Knicks 15 decent minutes a night by his second season it's a win.
suspect some of Grant's struggles stem from the over reliance on the triangle. We will see how it goes but Hornacek strikes me as a good coach for guards (his system seems very guard friendly).
IMO Grant struggled for two reasons. 1 - a hitch in his shot where shoots from on side of his face rather than dead center horizontally. Hornacek has a rep as a shot doctor so hopefully he can fix that. 2 - a lack of physical strength. Dude is weak for an NBA player. It's alarming given his age and, I presume, a lot of advantages he has had over most players because he comes from means and a family of NBA players who should know how to develop bodies (or connect JG with the right trainers).
feel like Hernangomez is getting some of the "Bargnani Bounce" but in reverse. People were shitting all over KP insisting "he's a euro, like... Bargnani!" now I see people penciling in Hernangomez as our future starting C because KP has been this good. If Hernangomez can give the Knicks 15 decent minutes a night by his second season it's a win.
My hope for him is being a Kanter/Pekovic type off the bench. 29 minutes 7-10 points a game. A guy who gives problems on mismatches down low.
there was also a post article talking about the Knicks having to change his long range shooting because with the deeper 3 he cant do step backs and fall aways like in NCAA. Decently alarming -- suggests a real lack of strength to me.
Im decently high on Grant. I think his problems can be fixed. He's got a lot going for him -- very good penetrator and good defender.
as the future starting center, with Hernangomez as his backup. If they can coexist in the starting lineup someday - great - because keeping KP at the four will save some wear and tear on his body. For me, the concern is creating a little better balance on the roster and the salary cap. We have a ton of resources invested in the front court right now.
feel like Hernangomez is getting some of the "Bargnani Bounce" but in reverse. People were shitting all over KP insisting "he's a euro, like... Bargnani!" now I see people penciling in Hernangomez as our future starting C because KP has been this good. If Hernangomez can give the Knicks 15 decent minutes a night by his second season it's a win.
My hope for him is being a Kanter/Pekovic type off the bench. 29 minutes 7-10 points a game. A guy who gives problems on mismatches down low.
That would be extraordinary return. Im not expecting WH to be anywhere near that good.
but Willy is productive offensively, even in limited minutes. If he gets playing time I think he'll get his points and a few rebounds - the question is can you live with his lack of athleticism on the defensive end?
feel like Hernangomez is getting some of the "Bargnani Bounce" but in reverse. People were shitting all over KP insisting "he's a euro, like... Bargnani!" now I see people penciling in Hernangomez as our future starting C because KP has been this good. If Hernangomez can give the Knicks 15 decent minutes a night by his second season it's a win.
My hope for him is being a Kanter/Pekovic type off the bench. 29 minutes 7-10 points a game. A guy who gives problems on mismatches down low.
That would be extraordinary return. Im not expecting WH to be anywhere near that good.
Oh I'm not expecting that at all haha. I think that's the type of potential that they saw in him. There were some good selections after him, Joe Young, Normal Powell and Josh Richardson to name a few. I think what I described is his upside.
there was also a post article talking about the Knicks having to change his long range shooting because with the deeper 3 he cant do step backs and fall aways like in NCAA. Decently alarming -- suggests a real lack of strength to me.
Im decently high on Grant. I think his problems can be fixed. He's got a lot going for him -- very good penetrator and good defender.
Hmm yeah I definetly noticed the lack of strength all year, whenever he gets fouled on a shot he can barely get the ball near the rim. Not sure what the scouting report says but I didn't see that as an issue for him in college but it's prevelant now. I liked how he finished the year, even if it was against lesser competition when no one cared. The scary thing is that he was this raw as a senior in college but I for sure liked what I saw in him. The shot is much worse than it looked in college and I'm not sure if that was nerves or a lack of shooting touch.
with Kanter's phyiscal talents so it's a somewhat rough comp for me.
I meant the type of role he plays. Can't expect defense but may give you some points and boards. Kanter's per 36 #sare like 22 and 13 with a 20 PER I don't expect that at all from Gomez lol.
id rather have a solid starting center in Lopez...
then a solid starting PG like Teague. Teague is just average, with no real upside at this point in his career. Id take him on the knicks, but not if it meant giving up a starter like lopez to get him. Lopez is now actually on a pretty team friendly contract. Him and KP can form a pretty damn good defensive front. I mean if we trade Melo then im fine trading Lopez to, but i wouldnt want teague back. Id want like Schroeder back since id at least rather take the chance on the upside guy (now i dont think ATL does these trades im just going on the hypothetical).
Well yeah. I was more projecting. I still wouldn't trade Melo for him but I think he'll make a couple of all defensive teams.
Now if you could get rid of calderon or get a pick from atlanta i would do it...
Noah will get 5-7 million...you can
You could spread lopezs contract out and add more pieces
I'd have no problem giving Horford a big contract and then dealing Lopez for a guard. That's the beginnings of a pretty solid contender IMO, obviously depending on who you get at guard.
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I'm not sure what you don't like about him statistically.
There were some very in the weeds statistical analyses earlier this season when Whiteside was destroying box scores that said Miami was a much better team without him on the court. I didnt come to a conclusion either way, but that's what I was referring to.
I'm a fan of Whitesides but there is a clear line of what he is and isn't, and if you watch Miami play. He's a tremendous offensive presence. Forces bigs to be honest and devote a lot of energy to boxing him out. Defense? Not so much. He's pretty slow laterally and has subpar awareness outside chasing blocks.
But Celts have had reported interest in K Love for a long time. That is nothing new.
Winslow absolutely does not suck. There is more to basketball than shooting. And good players tend to figure that part out.
they are almost literally in on everyone because that's how Ainge works. He said some teams find it annoying, but it's like Reese's leave no stone un-turned, they call almost everyone about everyone.
So nothing would actually surprise me, but this would. especially if it involves the #3 pick.
I do expect the Celtics to trade the pick and I think it will be for someone like I mentioned.
Young and raw? The dude is 27, same age as Love who you are writing off.
I think he'd be a perfect fit on the Knicks. KP and Whiteside would be trees in the paint, spacing would be ideal.
You willy and kp can man the 5 for the next 10 years
Funny enough, I found Pierce's name to be the odd one. Isn't he like a 56 year old trapped in a 40 something body or something like that?
Whiteside - 3,378
So yes, young and raw in NBA terms.
I picked OKC over Cleveland before the season started. I admittedly didn't stick buy it as I put money on GS to win it all once the playoffs started and while I thought OKC could take GS to 7 this is absolutely insane what's happening. But I didn't think SA really had an edge on OKC and had absolutely no one to throw on Wesbrook.
If I had to bet I think Cleveland wins the next two games. I'm just not gonna bet against Lebron-led teams unless a star moves from the west to the east.
You willy and kp can man the 5 for the next 10 years
I wouldn't cry over trading Lopez but for Jeff Teague? Pass. It's trading 2 roughly "equal" players yet one is something very tough to find (a good big) and the other is reasonably easy to find (a non-star starting PG).
Whiteside - 3,378
So yes, young and raw in NBA terms.
So Whitesdide was sitting in a carbon freezing chamber since being cut in the NBA? He's gotten good enough to get back in the league but expecting him to improve like Okafor or KAT is a bit optimistic. Not that that's a problem he's a top 5 center in my view. I just don't see him morphing into Olajuwan anytime soon.
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Is you are going to eventually trade him and what better time than when his value is sky high
You willy and kp can man the 5 for the next 10 years
I wouldn't cry over trading Lopez but for Jeff Teague? Pass. It's trading 2 roughly "equal" players yet one is something very tough to find (a good big) and the other is reasonably easy to find (a non-star starting PG).
I agree 100% i would be looking for a first round pick for him in thia years draft...
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Is you are going to eventually trade him and what better time than when his value is sky high
You willy and kp can man the 5 for the next 10 years
I wouldn't cry over trading Lopez but for Jeff Teague? Pass. It's trading 2 roughly "equal" players yet one is something very tough to find (a good big) and the other is reasonably easy to find (a non-star starting PG).
Well the intriguing thing is that if you flip Lopez and can get Teague you have plenty of room to add a center and a SG if you dump Calderon as well. If the goal is to compete with Melo this might actually be the best route. Flip Lopez to Atlanta for Teague, sign Horford/D12 and Bazemore/C Lee. You screw Atlanta hardcore in that scenario and half a legit starting 5 in one offseason.
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Is you are going to eventually trade him and what better time than when his value is sky high
You willy and kp can man the 5 for the next 10 years
I wouldn't cry over trading Lopez but for Jeff Teague? Pass. It's trading 2 roughly "equal" players yet one is something very tough to find (a good big) and the other is reasonably easy to find (a non-star starting PG).
I actually come down the opposite way. A big is easy to find. Guards are impossible to get. Also, as I explained in another thread, Teague's contract is a bit of a secret weapon because his cap hold next offseason will be just $12 million. Though if you prefer Rolo, he's the same price.
You willy and kp can man the 5 for the next 10 years
Im not writing down Hernangomez for anything right now, let alone a desirable 10 year starter. He can easily turn out to be a heavy legged nothing. We'll just have to wait an see.
Well my point is that he's already grown, he went from a fringe NBA player to elite center by developing overseas...
Just because you haven't played in the NBA doesn't mean you can't grow and develop, hence other European leagues and the NBA "Developmental" league.
My argument is that he is what he is. I can't think of an impact center in the league. I'd prefer Whiteside to Lopez all things considered but I don't think he adds that much more value. Outside Demarcus Cousins (and KAT if you consider him a C) I think you can replace the 2nd through 10-12th beat centers and you don't add/subtract much value.
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Is you are going to eventually trade him and what better time than when his value is sky high
You willy and kp can man the 5 for the next 10 years
I wouldn't cry over trading Lopez but for Jeff Teague? Pass. It's trading 2 roughly "equal" players yet one is something very tough to find (a good big) and the other is reasonably easy to find (a non-star starting PG).
I actually come down the opposite way. A big is easy to find. Guards are impossible to get. Also, as I explained in another thread, Teague's contract is a bit of a secret weapon because his cap hold next offseason will be just $12 million. Though if you prefer Rolo, he's the same price.
Just not impressed with Teague. I feel the same way about him that I feel about Batum. Very average. Kind of guy who helps you get to .500 but not a key piece of a true title contender. I don't know that Lopez is that but I don't think the Knicks are any better with Teague minus Lopez than they are now. To add to that, as you know I'm not a massive Grant believer but it's pretty reasonable to expect Grant to be "better" this year. I'd have to assume Lopez + Grant playing 20+ minutes per game = more wins than Hernangomez as a rookie + Jeff Teague and if I'm wrong it's still a push.
(I ballparked 20 WS but IMO it is fair based on his last 3 years of performance and mpg).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2740 - ( New Window )
Just not impressed with Teague. I feel the same way about him that I feel about Batum. Very average. Kind of guy who helps you get to .500 but not a key piece of a true title contender. I don't know that Lopez is that but I don't think the Knicks are any better with Teague minus Lopez than they are now. To add to that, as you know I'm not a massive Grant believer but it's pretty reasonable to expect Grant to be "better" this year. I'd have to assume Lopez + Grant playing 20+ minutes per game = more wins than Hernangomez as a rookie + Jeff Teague and if I'm wrong it's still a push.
I think I like Teague, Grant, and Rolo more than you do, and Hernangomez less. Im more on board with a made up Rolo for Teague trade just because I think you can so easily put together decent enough big production from mid range free agents. Competent guard play is, IMO, a lot harder to bullshit your way through. And I think Grant and Teague could play together, if only because we're for shit at guard. But basically, the trade would be close to a push. Meaning fair.
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Just not impressed with Teague. I feel the same way about him that I feel about Batum. Very average. Kind of guy who helps you get to .500 but not a key piece of a true title contender. I don't know that Lopez is that but I don't think the Knicks are any better with Teague minus Lopez than they are now. To add to that, as you know I'm not a massive Grant believer but it's pretty reasonable to expect Grant to be "better" this year. I'd have to assume Lopez + Grant playing 20+ minutes per game = more wins than Hernangomez as a rookie + Jeff Teague and if I'm wrong it's still a push.
I think I like Teague, Grant, and Rolo more than you do, and Hernangomez less. Im more on board with a made up Rolo for Teague trade just because I think you can so easily put together decent enough big production from mid range free agents. Competent guard play is, IMO, a lot harder to bullshit your way through. And I think Grant and Teague could play together, if only because we're for shit at guard. But basically, the trade would be close to a push. Meaning fair.
I'm not counting on Hernangomez for anything (let alone this year). I think Knicks fans are expecting way too much (and way too soon). Porzingis is a freak in every way. Size, IQ, athleticism for his size, shooting ability. Hernangomez is a below the rim, less than stellar athlete. I DO buy he's like adding a late first but he just as easily could be some big nobody we never hear from again once he comes over. I'd like to look at him as a bonus, not a key toward the future.
[I realize that you have to accept winshares to buy this, but I think WS is possibly the best advanced stat]
I should say BBI Knicks fans and twitter Knicks fans.
IMO Grant struggled for two reasons. 1 - a hitch in his shot where shoots from on side of his face rather than dead center horizontally. Hornacek has a rep as a shot doctor so hopefully he can fix that. 2 - a lack of physical strength. Dude is weak for an NBA player. It's alarming given his age and, I presume, a lot of advantages he has had over most players because he comes from means and a family of NBA players who should know how to develop bodies (or connect JG with the right trainers).
My hope for him is being a Kanter/Pekovic type off the bench. 29 minutes 7-10 points a game. A guy who gives problems on mismatches down low.
Im decently high on Grant. I think his problems can be fixed. He's got a lot going for him -- very good penetrator and good defender.
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feel like Hernangomez is getting some of the "Bargnani Bounce" but in reverse. People were shitting all over KP insisting "he's a euro, like... Bargnani!" now I see people penciling in Hernangomez as our future starting C because KP has been this good. If Hernangomez can give the Knicks 15 decent minutes a night by his second season it's a win.
My hope for him is being a Kanter/Pekovic type off the bench. 29 minutes 7-10 points a game. A guy who gives problems on mismatches down low.
That would be extraordinary return. Im not expecting WH to be anywhere near that good.
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feel like Hernangomez is getting some of the "Bargnani Bounce" but in reverse. People were shitting all over KP insisting "he's a euro, like... Bargnani!" now I see people penciling in Hernangomez as our future starting C because KP has been this good. If Hernangomez can give the Knicks 15 decent minutes a night by his second season it's a win.
My hope for him is being a Kanter/Pekovic type off the bench. 29 minutes 7-10 points a game. A guy who gives problems on mismatches down low.
That would be extraordinary return. Im not expecting WH to be anywhere near that good.
Oh I'm not expecting that at all haha. I think that's the type of potential that they saw in him. There were some good selections after him, Joe Young, Normal Powell and Josh Richardson to name a few. I think what I described is his upside.
Im decently high on Grant. I think his problems can be fixed. He's got a lot going for him -- very good penetrator and good defender.
Hmm yeah I definetly noticed the lack of strength all year, whenever he gets fouled on a shot he can barely get the ball near the rim. Not sure what the scouting report says but I didn't see that as an issue for him in college but it's prevelant now. I liked how he finished the year, even if it was against lesser competition when no one cared. The scary thing is that he was this raw as a senior in college but I for sure liked what I saw in him. The shot is much worse than it looked in college and I'm not sure if that was nerves or a lack of shooting touch.
I meant the type of role he plays. Can't expect defense but may give you some points and boards. Kanter's per 36 #sare like 22 and 13 with a 20 PER I don't expect that at all from Gomez lol.