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Another Harvey thread but with more evidence.

CMicks3110 : 5/25/2016 10:33 pm
but I found an interesting analysis of what could be affecting him.

So, perceived velocity is the speed at which batters perceive the pitch to be traveling at. It relates somewhat to the length of a pitchers stride towards home plate. So while Harvey's velocity is down a tick from 95.5 mph to 94.4, his perceived velocity is even lower at 93.4, according to Harvey's stat page on Mets website.

So, the other interesting thing is the length of his stride. According to the same page, his stride is now at a paltry 5.8 feet, compare that to DeGrom, Syndergaard, and Matz who each stride which reaches 6.9, 6.9, and 6.5 respectively, higher than the league average of 6.1 feet, and who each have a higher perceived velocity than Harvey.

Now, this is the new phenomenon this year, as last year, Harvey's stride of just under 6.1 inches, just short of league average, and his perceived average velocity was 96.2 mph. So in reality, while his actual velocity is down about 1 to 1.5 miles per hour, his perceived velocity is down 3 mph.

This could be a major factor in why the Mets are so focused on mechanics, his stride is shorter and he's overcompensating for the lost velocity resulting in lesser command. It seems to me that this could be correctable, but he needs to get out of some bad habits. I am not a pitching instructor, but this gives even more credence to the idea that he needs some time to re-adjust his mechanics in a non-pressure situation.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015-mlb-actual-versus-perceived-velocity-statcast-pitcher-data-carter-capps/ - ( New Window )
Can he play free safety?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/25/2016 11:09 pm : link
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Looks like he's really missing spots - off on mechanics or focus  
TD : 5/25/2016 11:39 pm : link
Velocity may be down a tick or two but 93 is enough to dominate with his secondary stuff. He's catching too much plate, making the catcher's glove move too often, etc.


WHY IS THIS A FOOTBALL THREAD?  
Ivan15 : 5/26/2016 12:19 am : link
Follow the damn rules !!!
my god....  
SethFromAstoria : 5/26/2016 1:41 am : link
please god...just let him go back to only annoying fans of other teams and half the Met fans who have sticks up their asses and/or defend the honor of the righteous media horde. One pitcher amidst at least 10 top pitchers in baseball who have had shit starts to the season. Just figure it out and never give up more than 4 runs again. Please Matt. Just get shit back in gear and make all the lunacy go away for a while.
-1 blockhead  
grizz299 : 5/26/2016 6:49 am : link
WHY IS THIS A FOOTBALL THREAD?
Ivan15 : 12:19 am : link : reply
Follow the damn rules !!!
Release point  
Shecky : 5/26/2016 6:51 am : link
Stride equals perceived velocity. Not separate favtors
Screwing around with length of stride  
RetroJint : 5/26/2016 6:53 am : link
is one of the worst things you can do to teach remedial action. Lengthening it will result in a lousy finish. He won't finish with his weight over his front knee. That's what brings the ball down in the zone. Long stride = leaving pitch up.

You can check on his landing, though. Make sure he's not stepping closed, which will hinder movement, or wide, which will cause him to carry the ball across his body.

Watch the contact ankle. Is he rolling over on it? This is the most important part of the delivery as far as getting his hips to unlock, which allows for maximum trunk rotation and force. It allows for the major muscle groups in the abdomen, glutes and thighs to do their job taking the strain off his arm.

Also watch to see if he has proper lead arm action. The glove hand first works as a range finder, then its job switches to leading his body through and down.

I've watched him on television a couple of times. Watching from behind is better than the normal camera angle. Watching a righty from the third base line is best. From that position , you can watch what happens after he breaks his hands. Balance point and loop-critical.

If you watch pitchers long enough you can spot the tell-tale signs of discomfort in the elbow, arm and shoulder. This is important because they tend to lie quite a bit about it, perhaps trying to convince themselves that they are well. If an elbow is hurting, there is a wince at release. Shoulder pain results in opening up too early to recruit the rest of the upper body to carry the ball. The technical term is "going wide." I am sure the Mets have checked for these.

Rocker step. Slight and controlled. Spin. Break. Balance point timed with loop. Slow, slow slow behind the rubber. Then all hell breaks loose once you come forward. Fast, fast fast. Lead arm action. Follow your glove. Drive down. Roll over on your contact. Land open in a straight line with your contact. Throw downhill. Finish out on top.
Yea follow the rules  
joeinpa : 5/26/2016 7:01 am : link
Most sports fans wouldn't t realize by the title that this was not a Giants thread without the NGT label.

This is serious stuff follow the DAM rules.
Retro  
CMicks3110 : 5/26/2016 7:06 am : link
Then why is his stride shorter this year?
Retro  
Shecky : 5/26/2016 7:12 am : link
Great post, and clearly you know your pitching. I will say a longer stride tends to lead to ball lower in the zone. But "over" striding could lead to pitching up in the zone. Fantastic post though!!!!
Years ago you could  
mrvax : 5/26/2016 7:47 am : link
tell what kind of a day Tom Seaver was having by looking at the amount of dirt on his knee. Just sayin'
This seems like somebody had to much time on their hands.  
short lease : 5/26/2016 3:07 pm : link
Not you Cmicks -

So how does a pitcher change (improve) the perceived velocity in a batters head?
i say this with peace and love  
djm : 5/26/2016 3:23 pm : link
fuck the constant commentary and hyper analysis concerning matt harvey. My god, make it fucking stop. The guy's struggling right now. It happens. Does every single call into NYC sports radio and every talking point have to center around Matt HArvey?

I get it, he's a lightning rod ever since being called up but seriously...why? He's just one guy. The Mets are winning....it's beyond ridiculous at this point.
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arcarsenal : 5/26/2016 3:35 pm : link
BigHarveyInteractive
RE: This seems like somebody had to much time on their hands.  
Shecky : 5/26/2016 3:37 pm : link
In comment 12972777 short lease said:
Quote:
Not you Cmicks -

So how does a pitcher change (improve) the perceived velocity in a batters head?

Over simplified?
Pitch high and low, in and out.
Tall and lanky, long and reach.
Slow delivery start, quick release (think El Sid
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Klaatu : 5/26/2016 3:38 pm : link
Harvey  
Klaatu : 5/26/2016 3:39 pm : link
I should say  
djm : 5/26/2016 3:54 pm : link
i'm not trying to shit on this thread. If I was a Mets fan i'd be concerned with Harvey too. But man, Harvey talk has just gone way past excessive in my opinion.
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