NFT: GoT The Door Question - SHOW SPOILERS

Wasn't sure

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for next week and Im convinced of two things. One. That's Benjen on the horse and he's going to rescue Bran. Further I'm guessing with all the time missing he's going to know how to hunt and kill the walkers.

Two. The Terrell's army is going down. The sparrow will be unharmed. Watch the preview and the entire city is surrounding their puny little army. They will get bum rushed.

is if the Lannisters will step aside and let it happen or their people will be harmed as well. I have a feeling the Lannisters know the Terrell's were behind Joffrey's death and they might save their battle with the sparrow for another day.

In comment 12971974 ZGiants98 said:

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for next week and Im convinced of two things. One. That's Benjen on the horse and he's going to rescue Bran. Further I'm guessing with all the time missing he's going to know how to hunt and kill the walkers. Two. The Terrell's army is going down. The sparrow will be unharmed. Watch the preview and the entire city is surrounding their puny little army. They will get bum rushed.

I agree with the Tyrells going down. I think the High Sparrow told Tommen about who kill Joffrey, and Tommen then told Cersei. The plan to get the HS is just a plot to get the Tyrells to commit their army and the Lannisters will double-cross the Tyrells. Of course I think this will backfire for the Lannisters. W/o the Tyrells backing them they don't have many allies left.

This sunday for memorial day weekend?

Nor do I even know if people have any inclination of what's going down but my personal belief is that the sparrow is not who he says he is. I think he is "playing" the Game of Thrones just like everyone else.

The Terrell army goes down this week. The sparrow insists Cersei still must stand trial. She tries to get the mountain to fight for her. Somebody else challenges the mountain and kills him and Cersei pays with her life. Eventually the sparrow has complete control of Kings Landing.

In comment 12971990 spike said:

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This sunday for memorial day weekend?

Yes.

says spoilers but can't be too sure these days...

As scary as they are, they don't seem nearly as dangerous to Westeros as they once did. There only seem to be a few more left and they are easily killed by valaryian steel and dragon glass. There is all kinds of dragon glass on Dragonstone as per Stannis and there are a handful of known valaryian steel swords still in Westeros.

All along I was assuming the end game would be a united Westeros fighting together to, barely, defeat the white walkers with the help of some badass dragons. Doesn't really seem necessary anymore.

Keep it about the show only please.

In comment 12972005 Andy in Halifax said:

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As scary as they are, they don't seem nearly as dangerous to Westeros as they once did. There only seem to be a few more left and they are easily killed by valaryian steel and dragon glass. There is all kinds of dragon glass on Dragonstone as per Stannis and there are a handful of known valaryian steel swords still in Westeros. All along I was assuming the end game would be a united Westeros fighting together to, barely, defeat the white walkers with the help of some badass dragons. Doesn't really seem necessary anymore.

I don't think we know the full extent of the White Walker army just yet. I'm guessing (hoping, really) they have more than a handful of guys and hordes of wights.

In comment 12972005 Andy in Halifax said:

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As scary as they are, they don't seem nearly as dangerous to Westeros as they once did. There only seem to be a few more left and they are easily killed by valaryian steel and dragon glass. There is all kinds of dragon glass on Dragonstone as per Stannis and there are a handful of known valaryian steel swords still in Westeros. All along I was assuming the end game would be a united Westeros fighting together to, barely, defeat the white walkers with the help of some badass dragons. Doesn't really seem necessary anymore.

Haven't they been turning baby boys into walkers for decades? There has to be more.

In comment 12972005 Andy in Halifax said:

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As scary as they are, they don't seem nearly as dangerous to Westeros as they once did. There only seem to be a few more left and they are easily killed by valaryian steel and dragon glass. There is all kinds of dragon glass on Dragonstone as per Stannis and there are a handful of known valaryian steel swords still in Westeros. All along I was assuming the end game would be a united Westeros fighting together to, barely, defeat the white walkers with the help of some badass dragons. Doesn't really seem necessary anymore.

I assume in most instances the WW will just let their undead horde kill everyone. All the dragonglass in the world isn't going to help you against thousands of of undead warriors swarming you. Now they did directly attack the cave in the last episode, but that was because the undead guys couldn't go through the fire. Plus the head WW may have wanted to attack the 3ER himself.

In comment 12971985 Scyber said:

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In comment 12971974 ZGiants98 said: Quote: for next week and Im convinced of two things. One. That's Benjen on the horse and he's going to rescue Bran. Further I'm guessing with all the time missing he's going to know how to hunt and kill the walkers. Two. The Terrell's army is going down. The sparrow will be unharmed. Watch the preview and the entire city is surrounding their puny little army. They will get bum rushed. I agree with the Tyrells going down. I think the High Sparrow told Tommen about who kill Joffrey, and Tommen then told Cersei. The plan to get the HS is just a plot to get the Tyrells to commit their army and the Lannisters will double-cross the Tyrells. Of course I think this will backfire for the Lannisters. W/o the Tyrells backing them they don't have many allies left.

There will not even be a battle, the Sparrows will let her go claiming she repented and that she is now a fellow sparrow

Walkers bringing down the entire wall. Calling it.

There's got to be more.

In comment 12972038 montanagiant said:

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In comment 12971985 Scyber said: Quote: In comment 12971974 ZGiants98 said: Quote: for next week and Im convinced of two things. One. That's Benjen on the horse and he's going to rescue Bran. Further I'm guessing with all the time missing he's going to know how to hunt and kill the walkers. Two. The Terrell's army is going down. The sparrow will be unharmed. Watch the preview and the entire city is surrounding their puny little army. They will get bum rushed. I agree with the Tyrells going down. I think the High Sparrow told Tommen about who kill Joffrey, and Tommen then told Cersei. The plan to get the HS is just a plot to get the Tyrells to commit their army and the Lannisters will double-cross the Tyrells. Of course I think this will backfire for the Lannisters. W/o the Tyrells backing them they don't have many allies left. There will not even be a battle, the Sparrows will let her go claiming she repented and that she is now a fellow sparrow

I think they have said repeatedly she will still have to stand trial? Haven't they already alluded the Mountian would fight for her if it came to that?

ZGiants98 said:

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The Sparrow insists Cersei still must stand trial. She tries to get the Mountain to fight for her. Somebody else challenges the Mountain and kills him and Cersei pays with her life. Eventually the Sparrow has complete control of Kings Landing.

Setting aside other ways these events might end badly for Cersei, do we actually know the sentence she's facing if convicted? Was she actually charged with regicide (based on a confession from her former cat's paw, Lancel), or with lesser crimes like fornication and oathbreaking? If she invokes her right to Trial by Combat, does that convey a death sentence if her champion loses, regardless of the crimes with which she is charged?

Another interesting question is how she ends up standing trial in the first place - in other words, how the show will set up the famous "I choose violence" meme.

I could imagine Tommen abandoning Mom to her fate if Margaery dies, or even if the Queen survives but presents her besotted husband with a "Her-or-me" ultimatum after seeing her brother and her house double-crossed. Otherwise, why would Cersei leave the Red Keep? It's not like the Faith Militant can enforce a warrant on her for jumping bail.

Obviously, we are going to be spending a ton of time in King's Landing on Sunday night... That leads to The Mountain being shown and like stated earlier, could come down to the mountain fighting for The Bitch...

Could the 'An old for returns' teaser be The Hound coming back? Arya left him to die, he has made his way back to KL to finally kill his brother? You would think he wouldn't be in shape to take on Frankentain, but maybe he has had help along the way?

Just a guess... My buddies and I have been trying to determine who the 'foe' is and I haven't had a guess until now

You are right. There are obviously a lot of smaller details that need to ironed out. I just think big picture stuff, it will go down similar to what I suggested.

Wouldn't be surprised if Jamie survives somehow and is "done" with Kings Landing after this over.

invoked "Trial by Combat" it automatically meant death if you lost. Otherwise everyone would do it.

In comment 12972048 Saos1n said:

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Obviously, we are going to be spending a ton of time in King's Landing on Sunday night... That leads to The Mountain being shown and like stated earlier, could come down to the mountain fighting for The Bitch... Could the 'An old for returns' teaser be The Hound coming back? Arya left him to die, he has made his way back to KL to finally kill his brother? You would think he wouldn't be in shape to take on Frankentain, but maybe he has had help along the way? Just a guess... My buddies and I have been trying to determine who the 'foe' is and I haven't had a guess until now

That would be awesome. Nothing would make me happier than for the Hound to show up to take on his brother.

In comment 12972041 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 12972038 montanagiant said: Quote: In comment 12971985 Scyber said: Quote: In comment 12971974 ZGiants98 said: Quote: for next week and Im convinced of two things. One. That's Benjen on the horse and he's going to rescue Bran. Further I'm guessing with all the time missing he's going to know how to hunt and kill the walkers. Two. The Terrell's army is going down. The sparrow will be unharmed. Watch the preview and the entire city is surrounding their puny little army. They will get bum rushed. I agree with the Tyrells going down. I think the High Sparrow told Tommen about who kill Joffrey, and Tommen then told Cersei. The plan to get the HS is just a plot to get the Tyrells to commit their army and the Lannisters will double-cross the Tyrells. Of course I think this will backfire for the Lannisters. W/o the Tyrells backing them they don't have many allies left. There will not even be a battle, the Sparrows will let her go claiming she repented and that she is now a fellow sparrow I think they have said repeatedly she will still have to stand trial? Haven't they already alluded the Mountian would fight for her if it came to that?

I'm talking about Margaery, not Cersei. The Frakenmountain will stand in for Cersei, the HS will release Margaery due to her becoming one of them

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invoked "Trial by Combat" it automatically meant death if you lost. Otherwise everyone would do it.

Well, there's the small matter of needing a champion who's willing to risk his life to prove your innocence. Seems a lot to ask if you're contesting a traffic ticket. But I think you're right, in the sense that Trial by Combat would logically only be an option for grave - probably capital - crimes.

hmm. Release Margery this week? That doesn't tidy things up much. I wouldn't be surprised if she dies with the rest of the Terrells and this in turn allows his mother to stand trial for actions.

allows "Tommen" to allow his mother to stand trial for her actions.

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Nothing would make me happier than for the Hound to show up to take on his brother.

You and the authors of the 100,000+ direct Google hits for "CleganeBowl"

When they came face to face. That killed the magic protection. Bran is still in the past and stuck there until he can find a bridge back. Someone alive from that time. Benjen.
Tommen told Cersi about Joffery. She is about to Red Wedding the Tyrells.
Lanster Army is behind the Tyrells like at Blackwater ready to slaughter them. Rains of Castimare was playing when Cersi was talking to Tommen.

Dead poll this week
Loris ,queen of thorns, the rest of the Tyrells. Except Margery who Cersi will torture a la Sansa.

And one more thing I don't believe one word from little finger
Blackfish is probably dead and Freys are running Riverrun it's a trap.

but I don't think the Blackfish is dead. There was no reason to introduce his character and have him escape the red wedding to be later found randomly dead. He's going to play a part and maybe will die, but not without coming back on screen first.

In comment 12972119 Big Blue Blogger said:

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ZGiants98 said: Quote: Nothing would make me happier than for the Hound to show up to take on his brother. You and the authors of the 100,000+ direct Google hits for "CleganeBowl"

I didn't suggest it. Somebody else did. I think it would be cool. I dont google looking for spoilers.

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hmm. Release Margery this week? That doesn't tidy things up much. I wouldn't be surprised if she dies with the rest of the Terrells and this in turn allows his mother to stand trial for actions.

Keep in mind, she has seen her brother become a broken beatdown man. She will do anything at this point to end this for both.

She becomes a Sparrow which is what the HS has been after this whole time; A person high up in the royal family who has influence over the king. The problem the HS has is that she is pretty cunning in her own right and she might be running a game on the sparrows to wait for her chance of revenge. There is a rumor floating around out there that Tommen uses the seven pointed star as his sigil in the future which seems to prove this theory

In comment 12972121 Shadow said:

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When they came face to face. That killed the magic protection. Bran is still in the past and stuck there until he can find a bridge back. Someone alive from that time. Benjen. Tommen told Cersi about Joffery. She is about to Red Wedding the Tyrells. Lanster Army is behind the Tyrells like at Blackwater ready to slaughter them. Rains of Castimare was playing when Cersi was talking to Tommen. Dead poll this week Loris ,queen of thorns, the rest of the Tyrells. Except Margery who Cersi will torture a la Sansa. And one more thing I don't believe one word from little finger Blackfish is probably dead and Freys are running Riverrun it's a trap.

It does seem like the whole Littlefinger thing is a trap but Im still curious if he might "actually" have feelings for Sansa. I think he might which changes things a little.

is barely even used. You'd have to have an insane memory to know that's even their name. They pretty much exclusively use "Mountain" and "Hound".

mentioned plenty.

Perhaps not this season or as much last season, but that's because the brothers have been off screen.

In comment 12972199 Ash_3 said:

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mentioned plenty. Perhaps not this season or as much last season, but that's because the brothers have been off screen.

When? They generally are always referred to as "Mountain" or "Hound" or "Dog". Im sure it was mentioned once or twice over the last 6 years but what TV watchers are sitting with note pads writing stuff like this down?

In comment 12972202 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 12972199 Ash_3 said: Quote: mentioned plenty. Perhaps not this season or as much last season, but that's because the brothers have been off screen. When? They generally are always referred to as "Mountain" or "Hound" or "Dog". Im sure it was mentioned once or twice over the last 6 years but what TV watchers are sitting with note pads writing stuff like this down?

In the first season, they were referred to by name 4 times during the season, the majority of those times as an explicit introduction. Moreover a search of the Game of Thrones wiki, which since it refers explicitly only to show-only events, tells you the Cleganes are the Hound and the Mountain.

No superhuman attention or memory to detail is necessary to to note or recall those names.

But I don't Wiki episodes either. Maybe other TV only watchers can chime in but I would never think of either as a "Clegane".

Thanks for your opinion though!

leaked by HBO. That explains why the spoilers were all out there and legit.

Has anyone seen spoilers for Blood of my Blood? Hopefully they're more careful it, it sucks when plots get ruined.

And the crew and cast members who leaked stuff should be fired or punished otherwise.

Where would you even look to find out something like that?

Have to be the sort of person who actively looks and searches for that kind of stuff. The type of people who are worried about book spoilers on a BBI thread likely aren't googling and searching for episode spoilers I'm guessing.

I, personally, slowed down and watched the preview for next week about three times. It appears the Terrell army is completely surrounded by the city. That's all I know.

but people do it and then they write about it.

Someone here posted a link on Sunday afternoon and I clicked it and saw the spoilers.

At first I thought it was purely speculative, but found out after watching the show they were 100% accurate.

I wish I hadn't clicked it.

has been mentioned enough for people to remember imo. Tywin said it a couple of times iirc.

I haven't seen anything like that in the last thread or this one.

There aren't hundreds of other characters for TV watchers to keep track of. If you've read the books sure you'll pick up on Clegane on the show and I'm sure it's written out a thousand times in the books but most TV watchers aren't retaining brief introductions from six years ago when they have almost exclusively been called something else since. Whatever. Stupidest argument ever.

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I haven't seen anything like that in the last thread or this one.

No, it was in the book thread. but at this point we're all guessing, the books are pretty much done.

I just figured it was theory like so many of the wikis or reddit sites about the show. I was wrong, it was legit spoilers.

Also, the person who does the translations of the show into other languages allegedly shared the plot with many people prior to airing of The Door and that found it's way online.

1) How would the HS find out? Margery didn't tell him and I doubt Lancel was involved in that planning.

2) Joff was still Tommen's brother even if he was a jerk. I'm sure Tommen would be upset. He seemed too put together when he was about to reveal whatever secret to Cersei.

In comment 12972316 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 12972301 ZGiants98 said: Quote: I haven't seen anything like that in the last thread or this one. No, it was in the book thread. but at this point we're all guessing, the books are pretty much done. I just figured it was theory like so many of the wikis or reddit sites about the show. I was wrong, it was legit spoilers. Also, the person who does the translations of the show into other languages allegedly shared the plot with many people prior to airing of The Door and that found it's way online.

Damn. Well that sucks. I would have never clicked on a link like that in the first place though. If you know what happens specifically please do not share.