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Non-star division rivals you admired

chris r : 5/27/2016 6:04 am
One that comes to mind for me is Marion Barber. Guy burned out quickly but had a few years where he was about as hard to tackle as anyone I can remember. Ran angry. Like a bigger Ahmad Bradshaw.
Brian Dawkins was the only Eagle I wanted....  
George from PA : 5/27/2016 6:19 am : link
Outside of Randy White...who the Giants could have had.....
Dawkins was a star  
chris r : 5/27/2016 7:01 am : link
and ruined Hilliard!
Dwayne Harris was one.  
est1986 : 5/27/2016 7:14 am : link
Brian Westbrook wasn't a star was he?
Art Monk and Darrell Green  
Optimus-NY : 5/27/2016 7:20 am : link
Charles Mann too
Christian Fletcher  
grizz299 : 5/27/2016 7:36 am : link
not sure I got the name right but the LB'er from Wash.

Solid, tough guy, underrated, long career.
London Fletcher is his name  
Greg from LI : 5/27/2016 7:48 am : link
That guy played forever.

Recent history - Trent Cole  
g-baby : 5/27/2016 8:11 am : link
Never looked forward to facing him, especially when they were running that wide 9 d-line. Always liked Cole as a player.

RE: Dwayne Harris was one.  
Chris in Philly : 5/27/2016 8:20 am : link
In comment 12973282 est1986 said:
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Brian Westbrook wasn't a star was he?


Westbrook was a star.
RE: Brian Dawkins was the only Eagle I wanted....  
superspynyg : 5/27/2016 8:24 am : link
In comment 12973276 George from PA said:
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Outside of Randy White...who the Giants could have had.....


Dawkins was a punk that liked to cheep shot other players.

Jason Witten. Always the professional. A HOF IMHO.
Hank Baskett  
Route 9 : 5/27/2016 8:26 am : link
;-)
Good call on Witten  
njm : 5/27/2016 8:27 am : link
I'd add, when he is on the field and not on IR, Sean Lee.
how the hell is Witten not a star  
Route 9 : 5/27/2016 8:28 am : link
?
Brian Dawkins  
Route 9 : 5/27/2016 8:29 am : link
Can eat a bag of cat shit
Witten  
OldPolack : 5/27/2016 8:34 am : link
was a GIANT killer.
2 biggest ones for me  
dep026 : 5/27/2016 8:38 am : link
were Reggie White and Demarcus Ware.
Witten and Dawkins...  
Chris in Philly : 5/27/2016 8:39 am : link
are HOF level players. Come on.

Hey, I always respected Reggie White and Troy Aikman!
Hahaha...  
Chris in Philly : 5/27/2016 8:40 am : link
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Witten, Ware  
Vin R : 5/27/2016 8:44 am : link
Sean Taylor
Stephen Davis.  
arcarsenal : 5/27/2016 8:48 am : link
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Easily Brian Dawkins  
Joey from GlenCove : 5/27/2016 8:50 am : link
Followed by witten
Anyway, my answer is no  
Greg from LI : 5/27/2016 8:50 am : link
You wear the enemy's uniform, you are the enemy, and I hate you.
Aikman.  
x meadowlander : 5/27/2016 8:50 am : link
I hate the Cowboys, but I highly respected the Aikman teams. Emmitt Smith was one of the best, toughest backs the division ever had. (I believe Tiki was the best though)

John Riggins. Really hard to hate lunchpail monsters like him.

Harold Carmichael. Just a wonderful, classy player to watch. 11 feet tall, hands coated in Gorilla Glue.

Jaworski. Because it was so much fun watching Lawrence Taylors personal punching bag in action. Really, Jaws took more punishment from LT than any other QB. Dude was running for his life in Giants Stadium for several years straight.

Joe Pisarcik, Eagles - because nothing was better than seeing him out of Giant blue!

Roger Staubach. I hated the Cowboy so much back then - more than I've ever hated any team. But that sonofabitch was as cool as they come, a true gentleman and a dynamite QB.
lol  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 5/27/2016 8:50 am : link
What don't you guys understand about the term "Non-star"?
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arcarsenal : 5/27/2016 8:53 am : link
I liked Alvin Harper when I was a kid, too.. don't know why really but whatever.
Shit. Clearly didn't drink my coffee yet  
Vin R : 5/27/2016 8:59 am : link
Thought I read star, not non-star
Oh.  
x meadowlander : 5/27/2016 9:03 am : link
Yeah, non-star...

I stand by Eagle Joe Pisarcik!
None.  
Boy Cord : 5/27/2016 9:15 am : link
My objectivity is completely out the window when it comes to division rivals. Seriously, not a one.
I like Jason Witten as a player  
lawguy9801 : 5/27/2016 9:21 am : link
Too bad he plays for a god forsaken wretched organization.
QB Jason Campbell  
idinkido : 5/27/2016 10:10 am : link
I think this guy epitomized what it means to be a dedicated NFL player. I don't think he ever really had much of a chance to be a starter and with high character persevered in many difficult situations.
RE: QB Jason Campbell  
Chris in Philly : 5/27/2016 10:26 am : link
In comment 12973461 idinkido said:
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I think this guy epitomized what it means to be a dedicated NFL player. I don't think he ever really had much of a chance to be a starter and with high character persevered in many difficult situations.


Really..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/27/2016 10:32 am : link
if you played well enough and long enough to get noticed, you are a star. London Fletcher wasn't Captain Glamorous, but his production puts him in star territory.

I din't mind guys like Robert Newhouse, Ottis Anderson as a Card, Roy Green, Joe Washington, Jim Hart, Darryl Green - but you could make the argument all of them were stars.
F*ck Dawkins...  
Chris684 : 5/27/2016 12:18 pm : link
For me Witten and DeMarcus Ware are two of the classiest guys you'll find in the NFL and 1st ballot HOFers to boot. They would likely top any list for me.

No one stands out to me on the Eagles or Skins, although if he wasnt tragically I have a feeling I might be talking about Sean Taylor.

This is it as far as stars or non-stars.
tragically killed*  
Chris684 : 5/27/2016 12:20 pm : link
...
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arcarsenal : 5/27/2016 12:21 pm : link
Know who I hated? Besides the obvious, of course..

Albert Connell. Fuck that guy.
ah, Albert Connell  
Greg from LI : 5/27/2016 12:33 pm : link
Turned on good season with the Skins into a big free agent deal with the Saints. He lasted part of one unproductive season, which ended when he was caught robbing Duce McAllister's car and was immediately cut from the team. Never played football again.
to clarify  
Greg from LI : 5/27/2016 12:34 pm : link
He didn't actually steal the car itself. He rifled through the car's interior and stole a bunch of shit that he found.
Darrell Green  
Curtis in VA : 5/27/2016 12:39 pm : link
Brian Dawkins
Brian Westbrook
Brian Mitchell
Chris Cooley
Trent Cole
Santana Moss
London Fletcher

Remember Monte Coleman? That guy was a bad ass.
RE: how the hell is Witten not a star  
Tuckrule : 5/27/2016 12:50 pm : link
In comment 12973319 Route 9 said:
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Lmao one of the best tight ends to ever play the game and a first ballot hall of famer
Need a definition of "non-star" for many chuckleheads on this  
Jimmy Googs : 5/27/2016 1:06 pm : link
thread because I am fairly certain guys like Staubach, Aikman, Witten, Riggins, Monk, Carmichael and Ware are some of the best players to ever have played.

Joe Pisarcik is actually over-qualified to meet this definition and should not be considered either.

Something more in the middle like Charles Mann is a good choice...

RE: Need a definition of  
Curtis in VA : 5/27/2016 1:08 pm : link
In comment 12973679 Jimmy Googs said:
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thread because I am fairly certain guys like Staubach, Aikman, Witten, Riggins, Monk, Carmichael and Ware are some of the best players to ever have played.

Joe Pisarcik is actually over-qualified to meet this definition and should not be considered either.

Something more in the middle like Charles Mann is a good choice...


haha. got me there. totally missed that part of it.
Curtis - I like your list except for Brian Dawkins  
Jimmy Googs : 5/27/2016 1:14 pm : link
who i thought, while talented, was one of the biggest pricks of all-time.

He would typically come in after a guy was tackled for a late shot often spearing his helmet into the back of players. Never got called for it either because of the respect the refs had for him I guess?

Gary Clark WR redskins  
Nick from Goa : 5/27/2016 1:25 pm : link
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Brian Mitchell? Are you kidding me???  
Greg from LI : 5/27/2016 1:26 pm : link
I despised that guy. Sickened me to see him in a Giants uniform, and that was even before he played like garbage for them.
Jeramiah Trotter  
kinard : 5/27/2016 1:42 pm : link
...that fucker killed us
Lol "non star"  
CaptSehorn : 5/27/2016 2:52 pm : link
Literally every player listed is a HoFer or made a pro bowl except Hank Baskett and Albert Connell.
Dave Butz  
Giants2012 : 5/27/2016 2:58 pm : link
Brian Dawkins
Troy Aikman
Sean Taylor
Don Warren - Redskin tight end.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/27/2016 3:04 pm : link
Honorary Hog. Collected three championship rings. Basically their version of Howard Cross, but wasn't really that big.
RE: Lol  
arcarsenal : 5/27/2016 3:07 pm : link
In comment 12973863 CaptSehorn said:
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Literally every player listed is a HoFer or made a pro bowl except Hank Baskett and Albert Connell.


Hey, I said Alvin Harper too.

I did say Stephen Davis.. I don't know if Davis was ever really thought of as a "star".. I remember him being a beast in '99 and having a few other very good years but I just don't remember the overall perception of him ever being what it was for guys like Faulk or Emmitt. I felt like he was kind of borderline.

I still remember that embarrassing run he popped off against us when he was at the pile and the defense just quit on the play and assumed he was down and he popped free and ran all the way into the endzone. Pretty sure that was the day Jeremy Lincoln got abused badly too. We got slaughtered. Terrible home opener after that really weird Week 1 win in TB where we did absolutely nothing offensively and capitalized in a few Dilfer picks.
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arcarsenal : 5/27/2016 3:08 pm : link
It is pretty funny to keep seeing Aikman, Dawkins and Witten pop up after the premise of the thread was re-established about 50 different times.
Vai Sikahema  
chopperhatch : 5/27/2016 3:10 pm : link
That guy killed us.

Also Runyan became a pain in the ass.
Drew Pearson. Not a star,  
BlueLou : 5/27/2016 3:52 pm : link
and not the biggest or fastest or quickest WR around by any means.

Just a pro's pro.
Tough to get beyond the non-star part  
glowrider : 5/27/2016 4:14 pm : link
Admired plenty of stars from, other teams. Gonna try to come up with some non-star(ish) from each team.

Jeremiah Trotter, Donovan McNabb, and Freddie Mitchell for the comic relief.

Chris Canty, Jay Ratliff, Terry Glenn

London Fletcher (arguably a star, though), Clinton Portis, Chris Cooley

Honorable mention: Terrell Owens
Skins' WR Charley Taylor.  
BlueLou : 5/27/2016 4:20 pm : link
But he was a star in his time IMO... Bobby Mitchell too.
Keith Byars  
Carthonfan : 5/27/2016 4:25 pm : link
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John Riggins  
FredDryer89 : 5/27/2016 4:40 pm : link
And the hogs
RE: John Riggins  
BlueLou : 5/27/2016 5:14 pm : link
In comment 12974048 FredDryer89 said:
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And the hogs


My first thought was indeed the Hogs... but they were about ad "star" as OL ever become! And isn't Russ Grimm in the HOF?
Was Jerome Brown a star?  
Moondawg : 5/27/2016 5:27 pm : link
If not I would say him

Art Monk was always considered to be the best WR for Washington  
David in LA : 5/27/2016 5:39 pm : link
Gary Clark scared me much more than he did. Michael Westbrook was awesome in Colorado, sucked to see him with Washington, but he was one of those players I always liked for some odd reason.

As far as Eagles non-stars? I always respected Jason Avant. He had a solid career, but is a relatively under the radar type of guy. Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent were also a physical duo at corner.

Dallas Players I respected? Ken Norton Jr. Kenneth Gant for his weird special teams routine.
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SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/27/2016 5:45 pm : link
James Thrash.

I admired his longevity & his character off the field.
That's easy ! ....  
Manny in CA : 5/27/2016 6:30 pm : link

Only one - "Bullet" Bob Hayes. He terrorized the Giants (and everybody else).

I remember watching him ('65 or '66), he caught a TD, I thought "he just got lucky", then he kept doing it. The Giants couldn't do anything to stop him. He's the only division opponent that I truly feared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUcaNLFUzfk

RE: RE: John Riggins  
FredDryer89 : 5/27/2016 6:30 pm : link
In comment 12974082 BlueLou said:
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In comment 12974048 FredDryer89 said:


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And the hogs




My first thought was indeed the Hogs... but they were about ad "star" as OL ever become! And isn't Russ Grimm in the HOF?


BlueLou: your right its the only offensive line that I can think of that had a nickname, defensive lines had many (Fearsome Foursome, Purple People Eaters, Steel Curtain, New York Sack Exchange, etc...)
Complying with a non-star  
BigBluesman : 5/28/2016 1:51 am : link
I would like to add someone that has not been mentioned. Marion Barber. He was a fearsome runner who I admired greatly.
RE: RE: RE: John Riggins  
BlueLou : 5/28/2016 5:50 am : link
In comment 12974148 FredDryer89 said:
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In comment 12974048 FredDryer89 said.

BlueLou: your right its the only offensive line that I can think of that had a nickname, defensive lines had many (Fearsome Foursome, Purple People Eaters, Steel Curtain, New York Sack Exchange, etc...)


Shame on you FredDryer! You forgot our own! (And Bill Parcels'wonderful humor.)

"The Suburbanites"
RE: Complying with a non-star  
Moondawg : 5/28/2016 7:10 am : link
In comment 12974353 BigBluesman said:
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I would like to add someone that has not been mentioned. Marion Barber. He was a fearsome runner who I admired greatly.


Lol.

Also may 2016.
Don't know if they qualify as stars or not  
dpinzow : 5/28/2016 9:47 am : link
but the 1980s Washington offensive line, the Hogs...LT went at them with an extra gear because of their reputation
Riggins  
Matt M. : 5/28/2016 11:42 am : link
Aikman, Dorsett, Pearson, Darryl Green (best CB in my lifetime, in my opinion)

That's about it for division players.

Outside the Giants, the players who I really liked were Dickerson, Marcus Allen, Freeman McNeil, Joe Klecko, John Elway, Dan Fouts, Kellen Winslow (Sr.), Larry Fitzgerald, Lott, Rod Woodson
Roger Staubach. Reggie White  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/28/2016 3:04 pm : link
Whitten and Ware.

Not nearly as much respect for Aikman and Smith. IMO two very good players but fawned over. IMO Smith played behind one of the most talented lines IN NFL history on a team that was loaded everywhere on P. For an all time team RB is one of the positons that hasnt chance as much over the years. . I can think of at least 10 guys I'd take over him at their peak. Aikman very good but he had so much to work with s well
RE: Riggins  
Chris in Philly : 5/28/2016 3:49 pm : link
In comment 12974585 Matt M. said:
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Aikman, Dorsett, Pearson, Darryl Green (best CB in my lifetime, in my opinion)

That's about it for division players.

Outside the Giants, the players who I really liked were Dickerson, Marcus Allen, Freeman McNeil, Joe Klecko, John Elway, Dan Fouts, Kellen Winslow (Sr.), Larry Fitzgerald, Lott, Rod Woodson


Lots of obscure non-star players there!
Doug Williams  
jpkmets : 5/28/2016 6:41 pm : link
I was happy for him to get a chance at an immortal moment. I liked him in Tampa -- threw so damn hard. I remember an S.I. cartoon of Jimmie Giles' hands exploding.
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