It's the moment we've all been dreading. Initial findings from a massive federal study, released on Thursday, suggest that radio-frequency (RF) radiation, the type emitted by cellphones, can cause cancer.
The findings from a $25 million study, conducted over two-and-a-half years by the National Toxicology Program (NTP), showed that male rats exposed to two types of RF radiation were significantly more likely than unexposed rats to develop a type of brain cancer called a glioma, and also had a higher chance of developing the rare, malignant form of tumor known as a schwannoma of the heart. |
Link to full article below.
Since I beat up on Marx yesterday, here's a link to Mother Jones to make up for it - (
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The researchers said that the amount the rats was exposed to was meant to mirror the amount a human would face through regular cell phone use.
texting (assuming the device is held away from your body) and using hands free devices reduces the exposure significantly. Holding the device to your head (like talking on a phone) provides the most exposure. the further the device is from your body the less exposure to the RF.
Not saying RF=malignancy isn't true yet the article is extremely weak.
Anecdotal evidence without a doubt, and I know other studies have vindicated cellular phones, but I'd rather play it safe and minimize their use.
sleep next to it if you want, but turn it off at night. maybe obvious, but while it's off it does not emit RF.
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They have Zeke and another doctor on, but my impression is that the other doctor they have on isnt worth listening to (impression I've developed over 4-5 watchings -- he seems kind of dense and not on the level).
Wouldn't turning it off solve that problem?
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It is in my pocket quite a bit so i guess the whole testicular cancer thing is something to think about.
Wouldn't turning it off solve that problem?
I guess but then I don't see the point of having the phone at all. With a 9 month old at day care and work stuff, turning off the phone entirely just wouldn't work.
I believe this is same kind of tumor Joe Biden's son originally had that eventually led to his death.
This is serious stuff that I've researched for the last 5-6 years. There are numerous studies from other countries that have pointed to this for years. The US is behind. Some countries including Japan and Sweden have made it illegal to use cell phones on subways and buses due to second hand RF radiation.
I've done EMF surveys for clients and have found routers underneath beds and on the other side of walls from beds.
This one family had a daughter about 13ish who had chronic headaches and poor sleep (EMF reduce natural melatonin production). They spent over $2000 on medical diagnostics and found nothing. I did a survey and found high levels of RF in her bedroom. The source was a router and cordless base station in the family's home office in the adjacent room. I recommended they at least turn off the router and base station at night. Ideally, I recommend hard wiring with ethernet- it's safer, more secure and faster. And I recommend throwing away cordless phones. But, at least turn them off at night.
I could go on and on, but don't have time right now.
Does bluetooth or hard-wired make a difference?
And I believe airplane mode still emits some magnetic field, certainly a lot less dangerous, but turning it off is I believe the only way to prevent it completely (if that even prevents it)
the thing that scares me the most is the kids. and I don't know if it's medically sound or based on fact, but I believe it's more dangerous to children and the age they're getting devices is younger and younger.
Some EMF facts - ( New Window )
without any numbers quoted.
How is this a valid test?
Why isn't this the headline of the article:
Or:
What are the typical rates of this type cancer? 1 in 100,000? 1 in 1,000,000?
A very small percentage increase in a higher risk is much more significant.
About 30,000 people die each year in car accidents. Given a US population of about 300,000,000, that's a 1 in 10,000 risk.
Driving 5% faster (e.g. 63 MPH vs 60 MPH) is probably a much higher change in risk than this study indicates.
I've done EMF surveys for clients and have found routers underneath beds and on the other side of walls from beds.
This one family had a daughter about 13ish who had chronic headaches and poor sleep (EMF reduce natural melatonin production). They spent over $2000 on medical diagnostics and found nothing. I did a survey and found high levels of RF in her bedroom. The source was a router and cordless base station in the family's home office in the adjacent room. I recommended they at least turn off the router and base station at night. Ideally, I recommend hard wiring with ethernet- it's safer, more secure and faster. And I recommend throwing away cordless phones. But, at least turn them off at night.
I could go on and on, but don't have time right now.
Curious - what type of equipment do you use to conduct your EMF survey?
Anecdotal evidence without a doubt, and I know other studies have vindicated cellular phones, but I'd rather play it safe and minimize their use.
I spent the early part of my career as an engineer around ILS aviation transmitters. We didn't worry about it much back then. I'll probably be dead soon.
Evidence re wired?
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For people who have used a cell phone for 10 years or longer predominantly on one side of the head, there is a 200% increased risk of a brain tumor.
For people who have used a cell phone for 10 years or longer (when the cell phone is used on both sides of the head) there is a 20% increase risk.
For acoustic neuromas, with cell phone use at ten years and longer (when the cell phone is used mainly on one side of the head), there is a 240% increased risk!
Many if not all of the studies funded by the cell phone industry are carefully designed to leave out heavy users. And those are the studies the media usually uses to claim there is no link.
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wired earpieces still transfer the radiation.
Evidence re wired?
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My friend who is an engineer has often said it to me. I looked it up and it seems like there are two answers given. 1. with bluetooth, the phone need not be on your person, and so wherever it is, it is away from your body. 2. Some wired cords can transmit radiation.
There is much discussion out there, but some sites seem a bit odd.
Here is a short one, with a pretty balanced take.
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/wired-headsets-emit-radiation-63176.html
and another here - ( New Window )
This link is ultimately related to a product, so I don't know how reliable it would be:
https://www.rfsafe.com/cell-phone-radiation-exposure-increases-using-wired-hands-free-headsets/
and in terms of EMF, bluetooth is hazardous as well:
https://elynjacobs.com/2013/04/25/are-your-headphones-an-emf-health-risk/
Finally, noting that this is based on cursory googling, this may be a credible resource http://www.ewg.org/research/cellphoneradiation/faq
though it definitely has a POV
Another tip re ELF, don't place a bed on other side of a wall from an appliance like a refrigerator. ELF magnetic fields have been linked to leukemia and other diseases, disorders.
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Thanks for your contributions to this thread.
I carry my cell phone in my front pocket....
Does this mean I am going to be raising a generation of mutants?
You know, assuming I ever did, like, you know, do the doohickey with a fertile human woman and all....
I carry my cell phone in my front pocket....
Does this mean I am going to be raising a generation of mutants?
You know, assuming I ever did, like, you know, do the doohickey with a fertile human woman and all....
You definitely told us?!
I think you might actually have extra time for planning according to this study. The groups of rats that were exposed to the radiation lived longer on average than the control group.
Another tip re ELF, don't place a bed on other side of a wall from an appliance like a refrigerator. ELF magnetic fields have been linked to leukemia and other diseases, disorders.
I feel like I need to see your house and how you live. Haha, you do everything so radically different. I don't know how to replicate what you're doing aND avoid exposure to all these harmful things.
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wired earpieces still transfer the radiation.
Evidence re wired?
Thanks
My friend who is an engineer has often said it to me. I looked it up and it seems like there are two answers given. 1. with bluetooth, the phone need not be on your person, and so wherever it is, it is away from your body. 2. Some wired cords can transmit radiation.
There is much discussion out there, but some sites seem a bit odd.
Here is a short one, with a pretty balanced take.
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/wired-headsets-emit-radiation-63176.html
and another here - ( New Window )
No offense, but your friend is a moron:
1. Bluetooth is a wireless standard which by definition is emitting but it's a couple orders of magnitude less power than cellphones. Keeping the cell father from your body won't work as it'll cause the Bluetooth to transmit at higher power defeating the entire purpose. No need for more than 1 meter separation.
2. If the wires are radiating that much, you'd have horrible call quality. It's likely a low power digital protocol between the headset and cell anyway, so even with"radiating cables" the magnitude will be well below that of even Bluetooth.
3. Not addressed to you but for those asking about testicular cancer, it's typically the heat from the batteries that are a bigger problem than the RF. So get a belt clip or put your phone on your desk when you're working.
In general, RF energy decreases at 1/r^2, so if you double the distance,the power stops by 1/4. When you hold the cell to your ear, it's antenna is, say, 2 inches from your brain. Put it on speaker and hold our in front of you, say, 8 inches away and you've reduced the power by 1/16.
For people who have used a cell phone for 10 years or longer predominantly on one side of the head, there is a 200% increased risk of a brain tumor.
For people who have used a cell phone for 10 years or longer (when the cell phone is used on both sides of the head) there is a 20% increase risk.
For acoustic neuromas, with cell phone use at ten years and longer (when the cell phone is used mainly on one side of the head), there is a 240% increased risk!
Many if not all of the studies funded by the cell phone industry are carefully designed to leave out heavy users. And those are the studies the media usually uses to claim there is no link.
Acoustic neuromas are not cancerous. And rare enough that I would be surprised if that number is statistically significant.