The point of this thread is to have a place where we can speculate freely about Sunday night (and beyond) without worrying about whether our predictions are tainted by prior knowledge of the five novels or other material that Martin has blessed as canonical. You have insights from the books? Random Internet rumors based on interview slips or pictures of cast members on set? Post 'em here!
The only constraint, and it's more of a guideline, is not to post actual information from the episode. If some dumbass in the HBO International Subtitling Department leaks a script or video to Watchers on the Wall, just post a link and we can all decide for ourselves whether we want to see it.
I'll start with my top 10 semi-obvious predictions:
1. Bad night for the Tyrells;
2. Costly win for the Lannisters;
3. Tommen gets played by the Sparrow, but Margaery doesn't.
4. Uncle Benjen! Great to see you! Ummm... why so pale?
5 Bran harnesses enough of his powers to get back to the Tower of Joy, but not enough for a full Lyanna reveal;
6. Littlefinger double-crosses somebody;
7. Daenerys and Daario remain in walk-and-talk mode;
8. Tyrion tries to ride a new kind of dragon (Kinvara);
9. No f*cking clue what Arya will do at the theater, but her smile looks like she's pretty happy with her choice;
10. 10pm comes and goes, and Ramsay Bolton still isn't dead.
Death Pool Opening Odds:
Lady Crane 1-3
Bianca 1-2 (Arya has to kill somebody, right?)
Loras Tyrell 1-2
Olenna Tyrell 1-1 (biggest drop)
Mace Tyrell 1-1
Lyanna Stark* 3-2
Rickon Stark 2-1
Archmaester Pycelle 2-1
Margaery Tyrell 3-1
Kevan Lannister 3-1
Walder Frey 4-1
The Waif 4-1
Harald Karstark 5-1
Yohn Royce 5-1
Robin Arryn 6-1
Smalljon Umber 6-1
Petyr Baelish 7-1
Brienne of Tarth 8-1
Yara Greyjoy 10-1
Any Sand Snake 10-1
Ramsay Bolton 10-1
Benjen Stark 12-1
Theon Greyjoy 15-1
Brynden Tully 15-1
Jorah Mormont 15-1 (biggest improvement)
Tommen Baratheon 15-1
Frankenmountain 20-1
Meera Reed 20-1
Melisandre 20-1
Ashara Dayne* 20-1
Euron Greyjoy 25-1
Daario Naharis 25-1
Davos Seaworth 30-1
Varys 30-1
Grey Worm 40-1
Missandei 45-1
Cersei Lannister 50-1
Jaime Lannister 50-1
No Line: Daenerys Targaryen, Tyrion Lannister, Kinvara, Jon Snow, Arya Stark, Sansa Stark, Bran Stark, Tormund Giantsbane, Eddison Tollett, Gilly, Night's King, all members of House Tarly.
* - deceased
It looks like the end of the Tyrells to me.
to do what?
What is Littlefingers end game here? Does anyone even know?
It looks like the end of the Tyrells to me.
Well it's not secret Blackfish and Littlefinger have a "relationship", they were very close, but Blackfish is Sansa's uncle, no clue why he'd side with Littlefinger over her.
he has no relation to Jon Snow, but what is there to really "take down"? Jon Snow is right now nothing but potentially heir to Winterfell and that claim is specious by many.
More realistic would be Blackfish and Littlefinger in chaoots to take revenge on the Frey's and Boltons.
But you never know with Littlefinger.
Well, Littlefinger's longstanding connection with House Tully gives that idea some credibility. On the other hand, Baelish also murdered one of the Blackfish's nieces, and double-crossed his favorite niece's husband in a way that led not only to Ned's death, but ultimately Catelyn's too, plus the loss of Riverrun to the Freys. Littlefinger has a lot to answer for, assuming Brynden knows the half of it. I think the Blackfish would as soon slice Baelish in half as team up with him.
Maybe that makes sense in show universe, but I cannot see that behavior from book-universe Blackfish.
I don't think they'll do this on the TV show, but it's possible they do something similar. They've certainly set up Catelyn's disdain for Jon. So the Blackfish would have reason to distrust him.
I don't think they'll do this on the TV show, but it's possible they do something similar. They've certainly set up Catelyn's disdain for Jon. So the Blackfish would have reason to distrust him.
Sure blackfish could distrust or even simply resent Jon Snow, but why Sansa? And I believe it was the Tully's who banished Littlefinger from Riverrun
Right now Jon Snow is essentially nothing. He's not the Lord commander, he's not warden of the north, he's nothing.
It just doesn't make sense to me for Blackfish to antagonize the Starks especially with the Freys and Boltons on the other side when he himself barely escaped the Red Wedding (in the show) and doesn't attend the red wedding in the books, but barely escapes Riverrun after Jamie helps negotiate the riverrun surrender after the red wedding (in the book).
I don't see how even a master manipulator like Littlefinger can turn him to the side supporting the Boltons and Freys.
#silf
#silf
SHAME SHAME SHAME (rings bell)
I don't think so, but an interesting thing of note I saw pointed out this week is there's certainly a tremendous amount of parallels between Jon and Meera and the White Walkers. Their editing choices do make it seem like the Night's King is intentionally seeking Jon and Meera out. Both Jon/Meera had a direct one on one staredown with the Night's King, Night's King intentionally showed off his power to both both Jon/Meera, Jon/Meera killed a White Walker, Jon/Meera involved in the two biggest White Walker attacks in like 8000 years. Both Jon/Meera need "magical" beings to escape. Jon needed Wun Wun a giant at Hardhome, Meera needed Leaf a CotF in the cave.
The only real potential evidence for the twin theory in the books is they are the exact same age, and both Ned and Howland wound up with unexpected infants at the same time. Ned returned home with an infant boy. Howland returned home to supposedly find an infant girl. And we don't know who either one's mother is at the present moment.
I really don't think they're twins, but who knows anymore with this story. I thought a time paradox element was a crazy idea too.
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Meera is Jon Snows twin sister... Ned took one and the other dude took Meera. Meera is also a Targaryn. Also i think it will come out that Raegare gave that flower to Lyanna because a woods witch said their line would bring the prince that was promised.
I don't think so, but an interesting thing of note I saw pointed out this week is there's certainly a tremendous amount of parallels between Jon and Meera and the White Walkers. Their editing choices do make it seem like the Night's King is intentionally seeking Jon and Meera out. Both Jon/Meera had a direct one on one staredown with the Night's King, Night's King intentionally showed off his power to both both Jon/Meera, Jon/Meera killed a White Walker, Jon/Meera involved in the two biggest White Walker attacks in like 8000 years. Both Jon/Meera need "magical" beings to escape. Jon needed Wun Wun a giant at Hardhome, Meera needed Leaf a CotF in the cave.
The only real potential evidence for the twin theory in the books is they are the exact same age, and both Ned and Howland wound up with unexpected infants at the same time. Ned returned home with an infant boy. Howland returned home to supposedly find an infant girl. And we don't know who either one's mother is at the present moment.
I really don't think they're twins, but who knows anymore with this story. I thought a time paradox element was a crazy idea too.
Well we know who Jon's mother is. It is the worst kept secret ever. You know for a fact that honorable Ned would never do that. Plus then it makes Caitlyn Stark seem that much stupider!
I think one of the biggest tells is when Jon and Ned part. Ned said something like... when you are a man of the nights watch i will tell you all about you mother. He had this huge smile because he would get to tell him about his sister. As a man of the nights which he would no longer have to worry about him being a Targaryn.
It makes to much sense that Meera is his sister. The fact they both come home together with same age kids when they were together at the tower of Joy.
This will set the High Sparrow up to return his sights on Cersie. After she demands a trial by combat, he will name Tommen as the champion for the faith. If Tommen refuses there will be an all out run on the keep. If he accepts it will be his life vs Cersie's.
Or the Sparrow could name the Hound, who will turn out to still be alive. But I'm leaning on my first prediction - its the more interesting plotline.
Bran finishes the Tower of Joy Vision and NED Stark goes up the stairs to find Lynna who has just given birth to R+L=J. Or possible twins
Arya is on her way out of Bravos.
Soon, yes, but I think that might be the closing shot of Season 6.
This lends credence to Clegane Bowl IMO. In the books the Mountain is thought tomhavemdied by Oheryn's poisoned spear and zombie-Mountain is called Ser Robert Strong. For some reason I couldn't put my finger on they kept him as Clegane in the series. My guess is that the Hound, who is living a Hirt life of penitence as a gravedigger, hears the Gregor will serve as Cersei, and House Lannisters, champion, and he volunteers as the champion of themFaith Militant. Clegane Bowl is happening.
Arya kills the wrong person
Jon finds north remembers
BenJen reveal saves Bran and Merra
Kaleesi takes vengeance against the masters.
Brianne gets closer to Tormund.
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Blackfish shows up and he is in cahoots with Little Finger.
to do what?
What is Littlefingers end game here? Does anyone even know?
He told Varys long ago, as they stood before the throne, that it was his ambition. There is no ambiguity about that.
Sam has come a long way but there's a reason he snuck out in the middle of the night and stole his fathers/families sword (which I'm sure will have play a role against the Whote Walkers, as they bludgeon viewers over the rarit's of Valyrian steel at every opportunity): Sam's dad would kick his ass. This is the first we've seen of him but Randal Tarly is a respected, accomplished swordsman in the novels. A complete prick no doubt, but a badass nonetheless.
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Blackfish shows up and he is in cahoots with Little Finger.
to do what?
What is Littlefingers end game here? Does anyone even know?
He told Varys long ago, as they stood before the throne, that it was his ambition. There is no ambiguity about that.
There's zero chance th Blackfish is in league with Littlefinger or planning some underhanded coup. He's an honorable man and fiercely loyal to his family. Zero chance. Zero.
On plus is they backed off Ramsay for a week. I also liked that Arya is moving on - thought Jaqen H'gar's comment that she has "many gifts" was interesting. I hope we see those gifts expand.
Not sure how I feel about the Riverlands being brought back in so far out of sequence from the books. There must be something I am forgetting from the books that has to bring this in the show. I hope we're past the point of creating trivial conflicts just to keep main characters busy while others progress with their story.
Anyway, slow episode, but I was still thoroughly entertained by every second of it (maybe apart from Dany's speech).
Should be a great final 4 weeks.
By this point in the books, he's divested himself from Cersei and has moved toward regaining some honor. This show absolutely has wasted the importance of the journey with Brienne and the loss of the hand. Heck, do we really even know he's lost a hand in the show and the effect on his psyche? At this point he's moved to Riverrun but is more of a sober and statesman type. He's on his way toward a redemption that does not appear to be part of the show. Many of the events that occurred around him in the books occurred in the show (plus more in the show) but none of the impact on his persona. All those things pointed him in a direction, but in the show he's just a Lannister and that's all he will ever be.
Still, that is one character I feel they've done an injustice on the show.
Walder Frey, Edmure Tully and, of course, Benjen Stark all returned. Benjen confirmed as Coldhands must have appeased many fanboys as that was a popular theory. I totally missed most of Bran's "upload" visions. Pretty sure I saw the Mad King though?
Bran's "upload" vision was so quick, hard to make it out.
Pretty sure I saw the Mad King, Bran falling, babies, several images from Hardhomme (or a zombie invasion anyway), the Night's King, Ned getting his head lopped off and maybe even Rob Stark? Not sure about that last one. What else did I miss?
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It was hardly a shit episode. You just don't appreciate the plot being pushed forward because apparently all you want to see are big battles and characters being killed off.
- Arya accepting that she's a Stark
- Return of Frey/Edmure appearance
- Return of Benjen
- Bran's visions
- Sam stealing Heartsbane
- High Sparrow/Faith Militant winning Tommen from his own family
I'd hardly call any of that filler.