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Is Manning the most durable signal caller since Brett Favre?

gidiefor : Mod : 5/28/2016 4:31 pm
According to Rotoworld he is, and the Giants QB situation ranks 9th in the NFL
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....In the two years and 32 games before Beckham's arrival, Manning completed just 58.7 percent of his passes while tossing only two more touchdowns (44) than interceptions (42). He averaged a modest 7.1 yards every time the ball left his hand. In the two years since, Manning has drunk from the Beckham fountain of youth, turning in the best 32-game stretch of his career.

Manning's completion percentage has spiked to 62.8 percent, with his 65 touchdowns more than doubling his 28 picks. It turns out all Manning needed to prove he wasn't done was the most explosive receiver in football. Manning is old (35), but the most durable signal caller since Brett Favre, and headed into his third season in Ben McAdoo's passer-friendly offense. If Manning can match his 2014-15, he'll be a top-10 quarterback in his 13th year in the league.


article by James Kratch NJ Media
How does the Giants' QB situation compare to the rest of the NFL? - ( New Window )
Eli is OLD at 35.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/28/2016 4:38 pm : link
Brady is not, at 39..He's the exception, I guess
Brady is old  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/28/2016 4:41 pm : link
but not as old as you : )
Th makes it sound like OBJ made Manning  
Bill L : 5/28/2016 4:43 pm : link
IMO, he was Canton- bound (or at least on the cusp) before OBJ and independent of him.
Bill  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/28/2016 4:49 pm : link
there's np denying that OBJ and Manning and McAdoo's system are all good for each other
I'm not denying it  
Bill L : 5/28/2016 4:52 pm : link
But he's saying Eli is no good on his own. I deny that.
Crock  
Toth029 : 5/28/2016 5:06 pm : link
Of shit article, though I never clicked on it, thankfully.
Eli has never missed a game  
Elite Mobster #32 : 5/28/2016 5:12 pm : link
Yes, He has been protected well enough over his career.
Eli is the most durable currently active QB since Farve, but he still  
BlueLou : 5/28/2016 5:17 pm : link
A way to catch Peyton's consecutive game streak, no?
RE: Eli has never missed a game  
SethFromAstoria : 5/28/2016 5:21 pm : link
In comment 12974838 Elite Mobster #32 said:
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Yes, He has been protected well enough over his career.


? wha?
RE: Eli is OLD at 35.  
chopperhatch : 5/28/2016 5:27 pm : link
In comment 12974780 Big Blue '56 said:
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Brady is not, at 39..He's the exception, I guess


Is this sarcasm? Elite Mobster threatened to knock out my real teeth And I'm making sure I'm not just suffering from old balls. Eli is in better shape than Brady.
Brady  
OldPolack : 5/28/2016 6:03 pm : link
was one of the biggest bargains in the N.F.L.
The scout that drafted him should be in the Hall Of Fame.
Gidie, if Eli gets hurt this year I'm hunting you down, along...  
Crispino : 5/28/2016 6:06 pm : link
with the guy who wrote the article. You should know better than to mess with the positive injury mojo. :)
Dubious Cause And Effect Analysis  
Trainmaster : 5/28/2016 6:13 pm : link
I'd suspect going to a West Coast offense / shorter passing game, with Ben McAdoo, had more to due with Eli's increased completion percentage and better TD to Int ratio than OBJ.

In addition to more shorter passes, the reduced amount of post snap adjustments (which receivers other than Randle seemed to have adapted to) were probably a major factor.

Having OBJ is great, but not having another threat at WR or TE had to hurt too.
RE: Gidie, if Eli gets hurt this year I'm hunting you down, along...  
bradshaw44 : 5/28/2016 6:15 pm : link
In comment 12974869 Crispino said:
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with the guy who wrote the article. You should know better than to mess with the positive injury mojo. :)


This times 1000 gidie.
Please  
Larry in Pencilvania : 5/28/2016 6:49 pm : link
You guys make Eli sound like he's dorgan old
Crispy, bradshaw  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/28/2016 7:08 pm : link
Eli breaks all the rules - he's already survived the BBI trophy curse -- no worries!
Eli is 3rd all time  
TrueBlue56 : 5/28/2016 7:20 pm : link
In consecutive starts behind peyton manning and Brett favre. He is not far behind peyton and will probably pass him in the next 2 seasons.

Top 5 (including playoffs)
1. Brett Favre 321
2. Peyton Manning 227
3. Eli Manning 194
4. Philip rivers 169
5. Joe Flacco 122

Qb consecutive starts - ( New Window )
PLEASE remember the caveat in investment ads  
KeoweeFan : 5/28/2016 7:45 pm : link
"Past performance is not indicative of future performance".
This is even more true for human critters, where age is a very important variable.
(See Manning, Peyton)
RE: RE: Eli is OLD at 35.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/28/2016 8:36 pm : link
In comment 12974852 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 12974780 Big Blue '56 said:


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Brady is not, at 39..He's the exception, I guess



Is this sarcasm? Elite Mobster threatened to knock out my real teeth And I'm making sure I'm not just suffering from old balls. Eli is in better shape than Brady.


Yes it is sarcasm..They keep talking about Eli's fucking window closing and he's 4 years younger than Brady. Do you ever hear about Brady's window closing? NO..He's presumed to keep playing in his 40s, yet when I say Eli most likely will(if he cares to), I get choruses of "I'm dreaming."
Eli has remained healthy,  
Doomster : 5/28/2016 9:36 pm : link
because he has mastered the "chuck and duck"...
Not one TE or WR that has played with Eli  
djm : 5/28/2016 9:49 pm : link
Has had more success when they played with other qbs. The only guy that cornes even close is plax and he still clearly enjoyed his peak years here in NY with Eli.

Eli is the constant here.

RE: Eli is 3rd all time  
BlueLou : 5/29/2016 5:43 am : link
In comment 12974898 TrueBlue56 said:
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In consecutive starts behind peyton manning and Brett favre. He is not far behind peyton and will probably pass him in the next 2 seasons.

Top 5 (including playoffs)
1. Brett Favre 321
2. Peyton Manning 227
3. Eli Manning 194
4. Philip rivers 169
5. Joe Flacco 122 Qb consecutive starts - ( New Window )


Probably pass Pruton in the next 2 seasons? Optimistic about the playoffs much?
RE: RE: RE: Eli is OLD at 35.  
chris r : 5/29/2016 5:49 am : link
In comment 12974951 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 12974780 Big Blue '56 said:


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Brady is not, at 39..He's the exception, I guess



Is this sarcasm? Elite Mobster threatened to knock out my real teeth And I'm making sure I'm not just suffering from old balls. Eli is in better shape than Brady.



Yes it is sarcasm..They keep talking about Eli's fucking window closing and he's 4 years younger than Brady. Do you ever hear about Brady's window closing? NO..He's presumed to keep playing in his 40s, yet when I say Eli most likely will(if he cares to), I get choruses of "I'm dreaming."


You shouldn't use an exception to derive your expectation. Look at averages. Most QBs don't perform at a high level at 39. Lets hope Eli does.
RE: Th makes it sound like OBJ made Manning  
USAF NYG Fan : 5/29/2016 6:37 am : link
In comment 12974796 Bill L said:
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IMO, he was Canton- bound (or at least on the cusp) before OBJ and independent of him.

Agreed. I contribute Eli's better numbers the last 2 years to the change in offensive philosophy than to OBJ.
RE: RE: Eli is 3rd all time  
TrueBlue56 : 5/29/2016 6:54 am : link
In comment 12975117 BlueLou said:
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In comment 12974898 TrueBlue56 said:


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In consecutive starts behind peyton manning and Brett favre. He is not far behind peyton and will probably pass him in the next 2 seasons.

Top 5 (including playoffs)
1. Brett Favre 321
2. Peyton Manning 227
3. Eli Manning 194
4. Philip rivers 169
5. Joe Flacco 122 Qb consecutive starts - ( New Window )



Probably pass Pruton in the next 2 seasons? Optimistic about the playoffs much?


Eli trails Peyton by 33 games. He will only trail by 1 game if he stays healthy the next 2 seasons. To think eli will play in one (possibly 2) playoff games in the next 2 seasons isn't much of a stretch
Eli's success these past two seasons  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/29/2016 7:03 am : link
can be contributed both to Odell & McAdoo's style of offense. It's a combination of the two, not just one or the other.
Eli's recent success is jsut as much a product of the McAdoo system  
Matt M. : 5/29/2016 10:02 am : link
His perceived lack of success prior to last year has a lot less to do with him and more to do with running the most complex and unfriendly offense for a QB run. And at that, he did it with secondary WRs that couldn't master that offense for the life of them. I firmly believe there are only 2-3 QBs in the league who could have fared better than him in that offense.
RE: Eli's recent success is jsut as much a product of the McAdoo system  
BlueLou : 5/29/2016 5:56 pm : link
In comment 12975208 Matt M. said:
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His perceived lack of success prior to last year has a lot less to do with him and more to do with running the most complex and unfriendly offense for a QB run. And at that, he did it with secondary WRs that couldn't master that offense for the life of them. I firmly believe there are only 2-3 QBs in the league who could have fared better than him in that offense.


Yeah... Toomer, Plax, Steve Smith, Manningham, Nicks, Cruz... secondary receivers all. Not like the great Manuel, Gray, Johnson, Robinson, Ingram, Baker, and Turner that Phil Simms had.

As soon as a guy dumps on the weapons Eli has had at receiver my agenda radar goes all apeshit.
Knock on wood  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/29/2016 6:31 pm : link
But yeah, I think he is. To not miss a single start for 11.5 seasons, essentially to start a career, is as durable as you can be... and the knock on wood part.. it's still going strong.
RE: RE: Eli's recent success is jsut as much a product of the McAdoo system  
dep026 : 5/29/2016 7:38 pm : link
In comment 12975643 BlueLou said:
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In comment 12975208 Matt M. said:


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His perceived lack of success prior to last year has a lot less to do with him and more to do with running the most complex and unfriendly offense for a QB run. And at that, he did it with secondary WRs that couldn't master that offense for the life of them. I firmly believe there are only 2-3 QBs in the league who could have fared better than him in that offense.



Yeah... Toomer, Plax, Steve Smith, Manningham, Nicks, Cruz... secondary receivers all. Not like the great Manuel, Gray, Johnson, Robinson, Ingram, Baker, and Turner that Phil Simms had.

As soon as a guy dumps on the weapons Eli has had at receiver my agenda radar goes all apeshit.


Toomer was on the downside of his career.

Obviously OBJ is an absolute stud. Cruz had 1 monster year and 1 goof year. Smith had 1 good year. Burress had a good 3 year run.

But outside of OBJ and Cruz 2011.... none of the WR years were considered one of the best in thr NFL.
The new system and OBJ both helped Eli.  
81_Great_Dane : 5/29/2016 10:30 pm : link
So?

Teams do stuff to help their players succeed all the time. Especially their star players. That's what coaches get paid for. Why is this a negative for the player?
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