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NFT: Pelicans guard Dejean-Jones killed, breaking into wrong apt

spike : 5/29/2016 9:53 am
"New Orleans Pelicans guard Bryce Dejean-Jones was shot and killed early Saturday morning after breaking down a door to a Dallas apartment, police said.

Dallas Police Senior Cpl. DeMarquis Black said in a statement a man living inside the apartment was sleeping when he heard his front door getting kicked opened. As Dejean-Jones tried to break into the bedroom, the man retrieved a handgun and fired shots at Dejean-Jones.

Responding officers found Dejean-Jones, 23, collapsed in a breezeway, and he later died at a hospital.

"We are devastated at the loss of this young man's life," the Pelicans said in a statement.

It is legal in Texas for someone to use deadly force in order to protect themselves from intruders.

ESPN reported that the apartment complex sent an email to its residents Saturday morning, saying that Dejean-Jones was “believed to be breaking into the apartment of an estranged acquaintance (but) in advertently broke into the wrong apartment.”"

Another source told ESPN that he was shot trying to enter his child’s mother’s home. ESPN reported that Dejean-Jones was in town to celebrate his daughter’s birthday but was involved in an argument with the child’s mother prior to the shooting incident.

Black said he couldn’t confirm whether Dejean-Jones was trying to access an acquaintance’s apartment.



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Most Police Officers  
Shadow : 5/29/2016 10:08 am : link
Hate banging on an Apt door. Its got the best chance of being riddled with bullets. Apt dwellers are armed most of the time.
apt for apartment  
spike : 5/29/2016 10:11 am : link
not enough space to spell it out.
I like when the  
jtfuoco : 5/29/2016 10:26 am : link
article says "It is legal in Texas for someone to use deadly force in order to protect themselves from intruders." That should be legal in all 50 states
RE: Most Police Officers  
Chris in Philly : 5/29/2016 10:31 am : link
In comment 12975218 Shadow said:
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Hate banging on an Apt door. Its got the best chance of being riddled with bullets. Apt dwellers are armed most of the time.


Yes. Most people in apartments are armed. Solid.
So sad...  
Bill L : 5/29/2016 10:37 am : link
People need to take a breath before trying to confront someone. Even better, someone of his profession probably has a lawyer or, at least, can afford one.
In most states if someone is in your house  
Shadow : 5/29/2016 10:38 am : link
and your life is threaten yes you can use deadly force. Most of the time the homeowner/Apartment dweller can just get rid of the intruders by announcing you called the police and you are armed. If you think they are coming towards you Rack a round into the chamber or Cock the trigger(that's when its life or death).If you are not armed say loudly Yes Officer I will stay on the Phone.
Oh please  
Giants : 5/29/2016 10:48 am : link
this is sad to read but at the same time. If someone is breaking into your home. You should have the right to protect yourself in every state.You can give a warning before bringing them down. However did they give you a warning ? Did they call,text or email you letting you know they were coming ?
Trailer parks are bad too.  
Shadow : 5/29/2016 10:54 am : link
grandma or grand dad have no problem in firing the old shotgun at the door.
First Questions from PD  
Shadow : 5/29/2016 10:57 am : link
Were your doors and windows locked?


2nd did you know the Intruder?
RE: In most states if someone is in your house  
jtfuoco : 5/29/2016 11:07 am : link
In comment 12975249 Shadow said:
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and your life is threaten yes you can use deadly force. Most of the time the homeowner/Apartment dweller can just get rid of the intruders by announcing you called the police and you are armed. If you think they are coming towards you Rack a round into the chamber or Cock the trigger(that's when its life or death).If you are not armed say loudly Yes Officer I will stay on the Phone.


That briefs nice but when you are awaken in the middle of the night to your bedroom door being kicked in and you have a gun all that other stuff goes right out the window.
Did spike/Shadow just out his own dupe?  
Giantology : 5/29/2016 11:11 am : link
Most Police Officers
Shadow : 10:08 am : link : reply
Hate banging on an Apt door. Its got the best chance of being riddled with bullets. Apt dwellers are armed most of the time.

apt for apartment
spike : 10:11 am : link : reply
not enough space to spell it out.
RE: Oh please  
AP in Halfmoon : 5/29/2016 11:12 am : link
In comment 12975263 Giants said:
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this is sad to read but at the same time. If someone is breaking into your home. You should have the right to protect yourself in every state.You can give a warning before bringing them down. However did they give you a warning ? Did they call,text or email you letting you know they were coming ?


Protect yourself? I think many people hope someone tries to enter their home so they can shoot first and figure out if shooting was absolutely necessary later.
J/k  
Giantology : 5/29/2016 11:12 am : link
I know spike, you were clarifying from the thread title
If someone comes into your house its different  
Shadow : 5/29/2016 12:23 pm : link
than someone coming in your bedroom. Someone comes in my bedroom I going to put three rounds in him without thinking.

If your in the house say up stairs or away from the noise call 911 don't go hunting. Arm yourself yes but stay in the room and find some cover.
RE: Oh please  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/29/2016 12:27 pm : link
In comment 12975263 Giants said:
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this is sad to read but at the same time. If someone is breaking into your home. You should have the right to protect yourself in every state.You can give a warning before bringing them down. However did they give you a warning ? Did they call,text or email you letting you know they were coming ?


Thankfully, people don't have legal protection to defend themselves from sentence fragments. JFC.
RE: So sad...  
superspynyg : 5/29/2016 12:54 pm : link
In comment 12975247 Bill L said:
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People need to take a breath before trying to confront someone. Even better, someone of his profession probably has a lawyer or, at least, can afford one.


Maybe I am not understanding you right.. You think that the guy who lives in the apt was wrong?

RE: If someone comes into your house its different  
superspynyg : 5/29/2016 12:56 pm : link
In comment 12975344 Shadow said:
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than someone coming in your bedroom. Someone comes in my bedroom I going to put three rounds in him without thinking.

If your in the house say up stairs or away from the noise call 911 don't go hunting. Arm yourself yes but stay in the room and find some cover.


Its your house. You have the right to defend it.
One more thing  
Shadow : 5/29/2016 12:57 pm : link
DON"T use the Bed as cover against someone shooting at you.
Get behind something solid.
RE: Oh please  
Vanzetti : 5/29/2016 12:58 pm : link
In comment 12975263 Giants said:
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Did they call,text or email you letting you know they were coming ?


People have no manners today. In the past, you would always call before kicking down someone's door and charging in a murderous rage into their bedroom.
RE: RE: If someone comes into your house its different  
Shadow : 5/29/2016 1:02 pm : link
In comment 12975378 superspynyg said:
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In comment 12975344 Shadow said:


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than someone coming in your bedroom. Someone comes in my bedroom I going to put three rounds in him without thinking.

If your in the house say up stairs or away from the noise call 911 don't go hunting. Arm yourself yes but stay in the room and find some cover.



Its your house. You have the right to defend it.



Sure you have the right to die too. Maybe the intruder is not alone? Has a Weapon too. Has Skills in clearing a house and has training in some fashion. Just likes to kill people. Stay in a safe place call police or trip alarm even your car alarm helps. People who take the My house I will go shoot them are a lot of times the victims.
at least  
spike : 5/29/2016 1:02 pm : link
he saved his ex girlfriend the trouble/guilt of shooting him.
How drunk did he have to be  
spike : 5/29/2016 1:04 pm : link
to break into the wrong front door, walk through the stranger's house and try to break into the bedroom door?
RE: RE: So sad...  
Bill L : 5/29/2016 1:52 pm : link
In comment 12975376 superspynyg said:
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In comment 12975247 Bill L said:


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People need to take a breath before trying to confront someone. Even better, someone of his profession probably has a lawyer or, at least, can afford one.



Maybe I am not understanding you right.. You think that the guy who lives in the apt was wrong?
oh no, not at all. He was completely in the right. I meant that Desean-Jones, should have taken a breath before trying to confront the mother and, if there was a visitation issue, worked it out legally.
where is Tamara Hall..  
BCD : 5/29/2016 2:50 pm : link
I love that lady.....best looking TV female
RE: RE: So sad...  
AP in Halfmoon : 5/29/2016 4:05 pm : link
In comment 12975376 superspynyg said:
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In comment 12975247 Bill L said:


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People need to take a breath before trying to confront someone. Even better, someone of his profession probably has a lawyer or, at least, can afford one.



Maybe I am not understanding you right.. You think that the guy who lives in the apt was wrong?


Legally right, morally wrong.
Well,  
Rob in CT/NYC : 5/29/2016 4:20 pm : link
That is some pretty powerful stupidity...
RE: RE: RE: So sad...  
j_rud : 5/29/2016 4:43 pm : link
In comment 12975539 AP in Halfmoon said:
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In comment 12975247 Bill L said:


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People need to take a breath before trying to confront someone. Even better, someone of his profession probably has a lawyer or, at least, can afford one.



Maybe I am not understanding you right.. You think that the guy who lives in the apt was wrong?




Legally right, morally wrong.


It's very easy to wax philosophic when you're not the one behind the door getting kicked in. i own a few guns for home prot cation and bc I like to go shooting. I don't think gun ownership for home protection is silly and I dont think it's anything to be made light of, like you're a paranoid homeowner. If you're responsible and have a plan(s) in place it's nothing but being careful and vigilant. I've gone so far as to t arch my wife to shoot. I'm not home many nights and we have a plan: if someone tries to break in you get th baby and get to th bedroom. Lock the door. Announce you've called the police and that you are armed. Announce they can take anything in the house but do not try to enter the bedroom. If that knob so much as jiggles then she puts a round of buckshot in the door, which is marked with a small "X" in electrical tape. It's a fairly common plan, IIRC a 12 year old boy killed an armed intruder the same way after being taught by his father.

People,can scoff all they want, all it takes is one attempted break in to change your mindset. Shortly after I moved to Philly someone tried to kick in my back door. If it weren't for the dish washer being immediately adjacent to the door and itself open, effectively creating a barrier, he/they might have kicked it off the hinges. I often think about what could have happened if I had simply not forgotten to close that dishwasher.
I honestly can't see how morality plays into this  
Bill L : 5/29/2016 5:10 pm : link
My guess is that the initiating action was borne of anger and etOH and the response was normal, instinctual, and likely with more than a tinge of fear.
Jrud's right  
Modus Operandi : 5/29/2016 5:43 pm : link
Everyone should own a dishawasher. For self protection. Or not.
RE: Jrud's right  
j_rud : 5/29/2016 5:52 pm : link
In comment 12975624 Modus Operandi said:
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Everyone should own a dishawasher. For self protection. Or not.


The serving platter you save just might be your own...
RE: I like when the  
81_Great_Dane : 5/29/2016 8:31 pm : link
In comment 12975234 jtfuoco said:
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article says "It is legal in Texas for someone to use deadly force in order to protect themselves from intruders." That should be legal in all 50 states
Isn't it?
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mrvax : 5/29/2016 8:54 pm : link
In comment 12975241 Chris in Philly said:
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Hate banging on an Apt door. Its got the best chance of being riddled with bullets. Apt dwellers are armed most of the time.



Yes. Most people in apartments are armed. Solid.


Yep. And they're sneaky bastids too.


Sad story. Jones was only 23. :>(
RE: RE: In most states if someone is in your house  
mrvax : 5/29/2016 8:57 pm : link
In comment 12975279 jtfuoco said:
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In comment 12975249 Shadow said:


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and your life is threaten yes you can use deadly force. Most of the time the homeowner/Apartment dweller can just get rid of the intruders by announcing you called the police and you are armed. If you think they are coming towards you Rack a round into the chamber or Cock the trigger(that's when its life or death).If you are not armed say loudly Yes Officer I will stay on the Phone.



That briefs nice but when you are awaken in the middle of the night to your bedroom door being kicked in and you have a gun all that other stuff goes right out the window.


I think the APT dweller was probably scared shitless at the time.
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Rob in CT/NYC : 5/29/2016 8:57 pm : link
In comment 12975762 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 12975234 jtfuoco said:


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article says "It is legal in Texas for someone to use deadly force in order to protect themselves from intruders." That should be legal in all 50 states

Isn't it?


Any state, doesn't matter, you are under no obligation to retreat in your home and can use deadly force if you feel your life is threatened.
RE: Jrud's right  
mrvax : 5/29/2016 9:01 pm : link
In comment 12975624 Modus Operandi said:
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Everyone should own a dishawasher. For self protection. Or not.


Thanks. Now we'll have every damn dishwasher grabber up in arms.
Sorry guys  
AP in Halfmoon : 5/29/2016 9:18 pm : link
I believe it's morally wrong to shoot first and ask questions later. Yes, the homeowner had a legal right and may have been scared. Being scared doesn't justify the use of deadly force, IMO. He could have waited, hid behind the coach with the weapon aimed at the door and then fired if absolutely necessary (the intruder was armed). This is case where if the homeowner wasn't armed no one would have been injured. Being legal doesn't make it right.

I doubt you  
Rob in CT/NYC : 5/29/2016 9:25 pm : link
Would apply the same standard if the situation arose in a more personal fashion.

I would argue that breaking in the front door, and then attempting to kick in the bedroom door would satisfy any reasonable question that a threat existed. I wonder where you would have interjected the questions you believe were necessary to defend yourself.
I understand the point  
AP in Halfmoon : 5/29/2016 9:46 pm : link
But I would hope I would fire a warning shot under those circumstances.
RE: I understand the point  
mrvax : 5/29/2016 9:50 pm : link
In comment 12975844 AP in Halfmoon said:
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But I would hope I would fire a warning shot under those circumstances.


Nah. It's more humane to just fire the deadly round(s). No need to make the intruder suffer unnecessarily.
History shows  
AP in Halfmoon : 5/29/2016 9:52 pm : link
Many of these legal shootings were mistakes or most likely unnecessary.
If somebody kicked down my bedroom door  
madgiantscow009 : 5/29/2016 10:03 pm : link
in the middle of the night as I slept, I would have gently subdued the person with my bare hands, careful not to harm a hair on is head. We then would have a rational sit-down conversation about the risk/reward of actions. Before I apologized, I would ask if he needed a few bucks.
'Dejean-Jones killed'...  
Torrag : 5/29/2016 10:06 pm : link
...what a waste...and what a moron.
Mad cow  
AP in Halfmoon : 5/29/2016 10:12 pm : link
Here's one of any scenarios. You're walking down the street and thugs steal your wife's purse. One guy gets away in a building and you grab the the other.

The punk claims the guy with your wife's purse lives in apartment 7. You're in a fit of rage and proceed to kick the door in. The person living in the apartment shoots first, legally of course.
RE: Mad cow  
madgiantscow009 : 5/29/2016 10:16 pm : link
In comment 12975876 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Here's one of any scenarios. You're walking down the street and thugs steal your wife's purse. One guy gets away in a building and you grab the the other.

The punk claims the guy with your wife's purse lives in apartment 7. You're in a fit of rage and proceed to kick the door in. The person living in the apartment shoots first, legally of course.


I can't believe I was so stupid. R.I.P., but I only have myself to blame.

RE: I understand the point  
Shadow : 5/29/2016 10:21 pm : link
In comment 12975844 AP in Halfmoon said:
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But I would hope I would fire a warning shot under those circumstances.

Is he going to give you a warning shot too?
First rule if you pick up a gun you use it. Not to wound but to kill.(In your house it's survival)
Warning shots get you killed. Burglars carry guns too. While you are firing warning shots he is putting three rounds in your chest.
If you pull out a gun you have to be ready to use it. The guys in your house are. You have no idea what they are on if you have an exsoldier who is good in close quarter shooting. A crackhead who is so high he thinks he is playing a video game. Thugs just being violent. Warning shot get you killed.
Mad cow  
AP in Halfmoon : 5/29/2016 10:32 pm : link
The point is shooting to kill isn't necessary in most cases. Some people think the wild west, "he drew first so it was legal to kill him" is cool. I think it's a fucked up for a so called civilized society to behave.
RE: History shows  
Big Al : 5/29/2016 10:33 pm : link
In comment 12975852 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Many of these legal shootings were mistakes or most likely unnecessary.
And some were not mistakes and not unnecessary. That information is unknown as it is happening. I don't understand the moral obligation for the totally innocent party to hesitate and increase their risk.
Shadow  
AP in Halfmoon : 5/29/2016 10:34 pm : link
I hope you don't own a gun but if you do, please shoot yourself and make the world a better place.
RE: RE: History shows  
AP in Halfmoon : 5/29/2016 10:36 pm : link
In comment 12975902 Big Al said:
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In comment 12975852 AP in Halfmoon said:


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Many of these legal shootings were mistakes or most likely unnecessary.

And some were not mistakes and not unnecessary. That information is unknown as it is happening. I don't understand the moral obligation for the totally innocent party to hesitate and increase their risk.


It's simple, a human life is at stake.

I'm done with this. I see it in a different light and I don't see opinions changing
RE: Mad cow  
madgiantscow009 : 5/29/2016 10:38 pm : link
In comment 12975899 AP in Halfmoon said:
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The point is shooting to kill isn't necessary in most cases. Some people think the wild west, "he drew first so it was legal to kill him" is cool. I think it's a fucked up for a so called civilized society to behave.


Here is what I would do. Have the wife call 9-11 and go home with her. I would stay vigilant in case they came back, but my duty is to protect my family at all costs.

Your idea of a warning shot is not a good one. You miss a shot defending your life is one thing, a warning shot that goes through a wall/ricochets and harms someone else is another (this incident occurred at an apartment complex.

Now if somebody draws first and you don't react you are an idiot. If the danger is gone and you don't continue firing, then that is what you are supposed to do. If you fire after that person is no longer a threat, that is illegal.

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