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NFT: Cincinnati Zoo Kills Gorilla to Protect Child

kelsto811 : 5/29/2016 11:31 am
The video is really scary to watch, they don't show the shooting but they do show the Gorilla with the child.

Getting away from the, it should have never happened in the first place...If it got to that, I can't see myself not jumping in there as an instant reaction. However, I guess that could make it much worse.
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RE: And for $200...  
Modus Operandi : 5/31/2016 6:05 pm : link
In comment 12977880 manh george said:
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she will use BBI to teach your child critical thinking, reading for comprehension, and trolling.


That sounds hazardous. Kid might wander into one of those thumbs threads and see some bouncing boobs. Can't have that.
RE: I hate zoos  
ctc in ftmyers : 5/31/2016 6:25 pm : link
In comment 12977843 AP in Halfmoon said:
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One day they will be extinct


So will a lot of species on this planet with that attitude.

Zoos play a big part of extending the life of species that otherwise would become extinct. Not all by the terrible human race.
Randy  
ctc in ftmyers : 5/31/2016 6:34 pm : link
"The gorilla was doing nothing but acting as a captive wild animal, and at the point it was killed, hadn't hurt the child in a malevolent way--perhaps as a confused animal unable to comprehend a more delicate way to handle a human child?"

The gorilla was born and raised in captivity. It was a gorilla. Case closed.

A human child vs an animal and there is a discussion?

I'm sure you would have waited for you child's arms to start getting ripped off before you let action against an animal be taken.

Ctc  
Modus Operandi : 5/31/2016 6:44 pm : link
I think what some of us are saying is, watch your damn kid so that he doesn't fall into an unprotected ape environment. It isn't like this happens all the time.

This lady, at that particular moment, was being a shitty parent. I am not a parent, but I've no issue saying it. Go to any public place on any given day - a restaurant, a supermarket, etc - and you'll see young kids running amock while their parents go about their their business oblivious to that fact that little Johnny just wrecked half of aisle one.

I work in such a place and see terrible parents daily, who just don't give a fuck.
MO  
ctc in ftmyers : 5/31/2016 7:12 pm : link
You know I spent 37 1/2 years in the fire/emergency medical service. Shit happens to good, attentive parents, which no evidence has come up to suggest otherwise here in this instance.

I just don't like the fact that everyone is judge and jury in an event that just as easily can happen to them god forbid.

Just maybe everyone needs to knock on a door and have it open with a young couple with a dead baby in their arms fully extended expecting you to perform a miracle. I can tell you 100's of stories where shit happens.

You want to be called the asshole on national media when it happens to you?

Would it have made it more palatable to you if it was a pitbull who "endangered" a child and was shot to death?

Or was that the parents fault because they didn't watch their child every second?


ctc  
AP in Halfmoon : 5/31/2016 7:21 pm : link
That's bullshit. Most animals live in cages for nothing more than human entertainment. That are better ways to help threatened species.

Did you ever see the Twilight Zone episode of humans living in zoos? How would you like to live in a cage and have people staring at you all day?
What most people don't grasp is these enclosures are designed  
PeterinAtlanta : 5/31/2016 7:25 pm : link
to keep the animals inside. Yes, there are provisions to keep stupid humans out but that's not their main purpose.
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Modus Operandi : 5/31/2016 7:26 pm : link
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You want to be called the asshole on national media when it happens to you?

Would it have made it more palatable to you if it was a pitbull who "endangered" a child and was shot to death?

Or was that the parents fault because they didn't watch their child every second?


It makes no difference what type of animal. I wouldn't even characterize myself as an animal nut. Point is, she took four kids to the zoo and her inattentiveness nearly cost one of them their life.

Does it make her an asshole? Maybe. Maybe not. Does stopping to take a picture around a gorilla pit make her a bad parent? Maybe. At that moment, for sure. One bad parent amongst millions.
In the 38 years the enclosure has existed in its current form...  
manh george : 5/31/2016 7:32 pm : link
the total number of incidents with humans getting into the cage was zero.

Why, then, was this mother supposed to assume that if her three-year-old slipped out of her grasp, as he did, the next stop was going to be with the kid down in the pool with a teenage gorilla?

Some of you have some strange views as to how parents should perceive risks.
Not sure taking a picture is such a crime  
Bill L : 5/31/2016 7:32 pm : link
It's not exactly a rare event at a zoo.
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ctc in ftmyers : 5/31/2016 7:41 pm : link
"and her inattentiveness nearly cost one of them their life."

You don't have a clue is all I have to say.

When is the last time you took young kids anywhere?
I don't have a clue...  
Modus Operandi : 5/31/2016 8:07 pm : link
Why? Because I choose not to have four kids that I can't watch every moment?
RE: I don't have a clue...  
Chris in Philly : 5/31/2016 8:10 pm : link
In comment 12978001 Modus Operandi said:
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Why? Because I choose not to have four kids that I can't watch every moment?


You have an awfully simplistic view of this. One that I guarantee will change when you have kids. But enjoy it while it lasts.
RE: RE: I don't have a clue...  
Modus Operandi : 5/31/2016 8:13 pm : link
In comment 12978007 Chris in Philly said:
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Why? Because I choose not to have four kids that I can't watch every moment?



You have an awfully simplistic view of this. One that I guarantee will change when you have kids. But enjoy it while it lasts.


With due respect, I'm 36 and not having kids is not for a lack of opportunity.

With that said, I think most people vastly overate their ability to be good parents.

I have 4, now young adults  
AP in Halfmoon : 5/31/2016 8:13 pm : link
I can definitely sympathize with the parents. I certainly wouldn't judge them.
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Chris in Philly : 5/31/2016 8:15 pm : link
In comment 12978011 Modus Operandi said:
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Why? Because I choose not to have four kids that I can't watch every moment?



You have an awfully simplistic view of this. One that I guarantee will change when you have kids. But enjoy it while it lasts.



With due respect, I'm 36 and not having kids is not for a lack of opportunity.

With that said, I think most people vastly overate their ability to be good parents.


Just as many underestimate the complications of doing it.
Modus, shouldn't you be on the warpath against Annie Apple?  
David in LA : 5/31/2016 8:19 pm : link
:-)
Parenting isn't issue, and kids can be assholes...  
RC02XX : 5/31/2016 8:37 pm : link
Accidents happen even to the best of parents. But hey, you think you can be a better parent, who never makes a mistake, even so much as being distracted for a few seconds. More power to you. I know I've made my share of mistakes.
RE: I don't have a clue...  
ctc in ftmyers : 5/31/2016 8:45 pm : link
In comment 12978001 Modus Operandi said:
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Why? Because I choose not to have four kids that I can't watch every moment?


But you will judge others?

My respect for you went down a bunch of notches.

Really? You live the perfect life?

God bless you.
RE: Parenting isn't issue, and kids can be assholes...  
Chris in Philly : 5/31/2016 8:45 pm : link
In comment 12978039 RC02XX said:
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Accidents happen even to the best of parents. But hey, you think you can be a better parent, who never makes a mistake, even so much as being distracted for a few seconds. More power to you. I know I've made my share of mistakes.


Every parent who ever lost sight of their kid is a bad parent. Every parent who ever had a kid that was hit by a car or swallowed something they shouldn't or choked on a grape or abducted. All bad parents. Because the hypothetical perfect parents would never allow their hypothetical children to be in any kind of danger anywhere.
RE: RE: Parenting isn't issue, and kids can be assholes...  
RC02XX : 5/31/2016 8:48 pm : link
In comment 12978049 Chris in Philly said:
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Accidents happen even to the best of parents. But hey, you think you can be a better parent, who never makes a mistake, even so much as being distracted for a few seconds. More power to you. I know I've made my share of mistakes.



Every parent who ever lost sight of their kid is a bad parent. Every parent who ever had a kid that was hit by a car or swallowed something they shouldn't or choked on a grape or abducted. All bad parents. Because the hypothetical perfect parents would never allow their hypothetical children to be in any kind of danger anywhere.


This. Nicely stated.
The zoo made the right call  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/31/2016 8:51 pm : link
& I have sympathy for the mother. Young kids can disappear in a flash. It's impossible to watch them every freaking second. She lost track of the kid for a few seconds probably & the kid scurried away.
RE: RE: Parenting isn't issue, and kids can be assholes...  
ctc in ftmyers : 5/31/2016 8:52 pm : link
In comment 12978049 Chris in Philly said:
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Accidents happen even to the best of parents. But hey, you think you can be a better parent, who never makes a mistake, even so much as being distracted for a few seconds. More power to you. I know I've made my share of mistakes.



Every parent who ever lost sight of their kid is a bad parent. Every parent who ever had a kid that was hit by a car or swallowed something they shouldn't or choked on a grape or abducted. All bad parents. Because the hypothetical perfect parents would never allow their hypothetical children to be in any kind of danger anywhere.


Not MO.

Even when he was 23 he stated I have no brain or ideas of my own and if mommy or daddy told me that is what I do, I do it even to this day.
It seems to me that  
BlackLight : 5/31/2016 9:10 pm : link
a fair evaluation of how negligent the mother was depends on information that none of us have, and most likely never will.
I'm certain most reasonable people  
Modus Operandi : 5/31/2016 9:11 pm : link
Would agree that kids will have their share of accidents. I certainly did. They fall of their bikes and, yes, get hit by cars. Break bones. Etc.

It's something else entirely to let your kid climb down into a gorilla pit. I Don't begrudge anyone having children. Maybe anecdotal, but in my experiences, some of the worst parents I know didn't stop at one. They just compound their mistakes.

Ctc: No reason for the passive-aggressiveness. If you're going to take it this personal, maybe take a break from the conversation?
RE: It seems to me that  
Chris in Philly : 5/31/2016 9:14 pm : link
In comment 12978085 BlackLight said:
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a fair evaluation of how negligent the mother was depends on information that none of us have, and most likely never will.


No reason to let that get in the way of good old witch hunt! Burn her!
Kids run off  
UConn4523 : 5/31/2016 9:20 pm : link
and get into trouble all the time, doesn't mean the parents suck. The zoo shouldn't have had an opening for any size kid to fit through. By accepting families into their park they are accepting responsibility for the safety of the animals and the customers. They failed miserably at both by not properly securing the exhibit.

No point in arguing about the parent, we don't have enough info and even if we did parenting isn't about just staring at your kid waiting to keep them from fucking up.
Ok. Switch it up.  
Modus Operandi : 5/31/2016 9:20 pm : link
Since we aren't going to agree on whether the mother was criminally negligent, do you feel she has valid grounds to sure the zoo? Would you?
Let's say the same thing happened on a field trip  
David in LA : 5/31/2016 9:23 pm : link
would the chaperone/teacher get this much sympathy? I know kids can be a bitch to handle, but IMO it takes a unique type of kid to end up in a pit.
MO  
ctc in ftmyers : 5/31/2016 9:23 pm : link
You state you have no experience but want to tell others what they should do and how to act?

Look in the mirror son.

It's not me who needs to take a break.

Yeah, people don't take offence when those without any experience tell them they know better then them.
Calm down.  
Modus Operandi : 5/31/2016 9:27 pm : link
I've never told you what you should do, nor have I evaluated your parenting skills. We were discussing a news event until you went off the rails and started whining. You chose to take it personally.
RE: Let's say the same thing happened on a field trip  
RC02XX : 5/31/2016 9:30 pm : link
In comment 12978110 David in LA said:
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would the chaperone/teacher get this much sympathy? I know kids can be a bitch to handle, but IMO it takes a unique type of kid to end up in a pit.


Not sure how much you've dealt with determined 2-5 year olds on a daily basis, but they are resourceful as fuck. A child can climb over shit better than you ever thought they could and pretty damn fast. And they quick as all hell.

It's not about giving this mother sympathy as much as not going pitchfork crazy calling for her to lose custody of her kid or calling for her to be charged. There is a huge gulf between the two extremes. And for someone with limited experiences with kids to lecture others on how losing sight of their kids momentarily makes them criminally negligent is what is inviting these responses.
RE: Ok. Switch it up.  
PeterinAtlanta : 5/31/2016 9:32 pm : link
In comment 12978107 Modus Operandi said:
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Since we aren't going to agree on whether the mother was criminally negligent, do you feel she has valid grounds to sure the zoo? Would you?


After 38 years without a problem, how can you blame the zoo?
RE: Calm down.  
RC02XX : 5/31/2016 9:34 pm : link
In comment 12978117 Modus Operandi said:
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I've never told you what you should do, nor have I evaluated your parenting skills. We were discussing a news event until you went off the rails and started whining. You chose to take it personally.


Come on, man. You've been on your high horse throwing judgements at parents, who lose sight of their kids through this thread. As ctc stated, it's a bit annoying being lectured by someone with limited experience on a subject when most of us with kids have been trying to tell you from experience that raising kids and keeping eyes on them is difficult. Yet you keep telling us that it isn't so.
Also...  
Modus Operandi : 5/31/2016 9:35 pm : link
Not one of us has ever suited up professionally, directed a film or served as POTUS; and yet, it doesnt prohibit any of us from commenting. What kind of insecure babble is that?



RE: Also...  
RC02XX : 5/31/2016 9:38 pm : link
In comment 12978127 Modus Operandi said:
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Not one of us has ever suited up professionally, directed a film or served as POTUS; and yet, it doesnt prohibit any of us from commenting. What kind of insecure babble is that?




Really? But if a group of former presidents sat down with you and explained to you how difficult their day to day job is, wouldn't you listen to their experience? Or are you so arrogant in your own limited experience that you would still tell them that they're wrong?
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Modus Operandi : 5/31/2016 9:39 pm : link
In comment 12978122 RC02XX said:
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I've never told you what you should do, nor have I evaluated your parenting skills. We were discussing a news event until you went off the rails and started whining. You chose to take it personally.



Come on, man. You've been on your high horse throwing judgements at parents, who lose sight of their kids through this thread. As ctc stated, it's a bit annoying being lectured by someone with limited experience on a subject when most of us with kids have been trying to tell you from experience that raising kids and keeping eyes on them is difficult. Yet you keep telling us that it isn't so.


Please tell me where I said parenting was easy? Or where I said all parents and kids suck. Or any comment where I told anyone on this thread how they should raise their kids.

Thanks in advance.
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David in LA : 5/31/2016 9:39 pm : link
In comment 12978120 RC02XX said:
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would the chaperone/teacher get this much sympathy? I know kids can be a bitch to handle, but IMO it takes a unique type of kid to end up in a pit.



Not sure how much you've dealt with determined 2-5 year olds on a daily basis, but they are resourceful as fuck. A child can climb over shit better than you ever thought they could and pretty damn fast. And they quick as all hell.

It's not about giving this mother sympathy as much as not going pitchfork crazy calling for her to lose custody of her kid or calling for her to be charged. There is a huge gulf between the two extremes. And for someone with limited experiences with kids to lecture others on how losing sight of their kids momentarily makes them criminally negligent is what is inviting these responses.


You're right, I'm underestimating how much kids can be little hellraisers if they're determined. I flew off the cuff when this story first broke, and admit to calling for her to lose the child, but understand that the right decision was made in the end.
Better yet, if you saw a bunch of war movies and told me how it was  
RC02XX : 5/31/2016 9:41 pm : link
Like to go to war, and I told you that you we're wrong, would you listen to my experience?

Experience is experience and not having them make your perspective a bit skewed compared to those who have them. That's what CiP, ctc, and I are trying to tell you.
From a Facebook friend and great Mom  
AP in Halfmoon : 5/31/2016 9:43 pm : link
Dear God, I want to thank you for your grace for the many times in which I exhibited some crappy parenting moments or for one of my kids' numerous accidents when I couldn't ideally tend to three active boys simultaneously. You neither sent me death threats, nor did you sign a petition asking for the removal of any of my boys, even if they might have been better off in another home! I know they aren't all on their own yet, so I need to knock on wood until then, but despite one going missing in Wal Mart when I was trying to release the stroller break (I was just slid into the middle of the clothing rack, Mom"), despite sticking a metal spoon in an electrical outlet, despite breaking a leg when he might have been too big for that baby rocker by a few pounds, despite nearly being impounded by freshly-sawed tree limbs on a makeshift jump and a Little Tykes tractor, despite dumping sand in a neighbor's doggie door when I thought they were in the backyard fort, despite one getting his head stuck in a vent when his older brother double dared him (much harder getting the head out, let me tell you), despite my kid running out in the street after a basketball after I told him over and over and over again, and nearly getting hit, despite my toddler falling off the sand bar and into the deep lake just after my husband released his lifejacket to change a dirty pull up, and despite my then five year old ripping off his lifejacket to jump in after his brother (requiring my husband to try to save not just one, but two of his boys), despite one being somewhere he wasn't supposed to be and me failing to call to verify (being too stupid and trustful of my teen), I am relieved they have been relatively safe so far, in spite of me. Please extend this protection and grace to the imperfect mother of the toddler who made his way into the Gorilla cage and is being threatened and condemned by angry mobs of people online and in person. I think she is more than likely beating herself up enough, without our nation adding to it.
RE: Better yet, if you saw a bunch of war movies and told me how it was  
Modus Operandi : 5/31/2016 9:46 pm : link
In comment 12978140 RC02XX said:
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Like to go to war, and I told you that you we're wrong, would you listen to my experience?

Experience is experience and not having them make your perspective a bit skewed compared to those who have them. That's what CiP, ctc, and I are trying to tell you.


Course I would. Would you refuse orders from a Commander in Chief who never served?

All I've said here is that it appears to me the woman was negligent. I never commented on yours or CiP's parenting. I merely disagreed with your take on this story.

I mentioned I chose not to have kids of my own. I didn't say I didn't have experience raising them.

I'm sure you're all great parents. But many, many, many arent.
RE: Calm down.  
ctc in ftmyers : 5/31/2016 9:49 pm : link
In comment 12978117 Modus Operandi said:
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I've never told you what you should do, nor have I evaluated your parenting skills. We were discussing a news event until you went off the rails and started whining. You chose to take it personally.


You evaluated a person's skills you do not know, not mine. I do not take it personally.

As a matter of fact, my wife and I weren't blessed with children. Your assumptions are way far off.

In my career I have seen many tragedies with young children that happened in a blink of an eye.

If you were a parent, it could happen to you. You're not perfect no matter how much you think you are.

Maybe I take it personal because I have had to tell too many parents who thought it would never happen to their kid because they are so vigilant that they are dead.

It's that simple.

That you think you would be different?

Only by the grace of god or whatever karma you believe in or not.

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RC02XX : 5/31/2016 9:50 pm : link
In comment 12978136 Modus Operandi said:
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I've never told you what you should do, nor have I evaluated your parenting skills. We were discussing a news event until you went off the rails and started whining. You chose to take it personally.



Come on, man. You've been on your high horse throwing judgements at parents, who lose sight of their kids through this thread. As ctc stated, it's a bit annoying being lectured by someone with limited experience on a subject when most of us with kids have been trying to tell you from experience that raising kids and keeping eyes on them is difficult. Yet you keep telling us that it isn't so.



Please tell me where I said parenting was easy? Or where I said all parents and kids suck. Or any comment where I told anyone on this thread how they should raise their kids.

Thanks in advance.


I don't know...maybe I took this wrong, but this specific line sounds like criticism of most parents and their parenting skills. Maybe it's just me...but I don't know.

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With that said, I think most people vastly overate their ability to be good parents.

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RE: Ok. Switch it up.  
schabadoo : 5/31/2016 9:52 pm : link
In comment 12978107 Modus Operandi said:
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Since we aren't going to agree on whether the mother was criminally negligent, do you feel she has valid grounds to sure the zoo? Would you?


Please tell me this a parody post.

RE: RE: Better yet, if you saw a bunch of war movies and told me how it was  
RC02XX : 5/31/2016 10:00 pm : link
In comment 12978148 Modus Operandi said:
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Like to go to war, and I told you that you we're wrong, would you listen to my experience?

Experience is experience and not having them make your perspective a bit skewed compared to those who have them. That's what CiP, ctc, and I are trying to tell you.



Course I would. Would you refuse orders from a Commander in Chief who never served?

All I've said here is that it appears to me the woman was negligent. I never commented on yours or CiP's parenting. I merely disagreed with your take on this story.

I mentioned I chose not to have kids of my own. I didn't say I didn't have experience raising them.

I'm sure you're all great parents. But many, many, many arent.


Definitely not trying to start an argument, man...so if I sound like I'm coming off combative, I apologize.

And you are right, we don't have to agree. I think for the most part, many of us can empathize with this mother in losing sight of her kid for a brief moment. No one would have ever known this mother and her child if it wasn't a perfectly terrible combination of momentary distraction, a kids actual (and not stupid shit kids say) desire to go meet the gorilla, and the less than secure enclosure that a four year old could circumvent that allowed these events to unfold. It's tragic and a waste of beautiful animal's life. But accidents do happen even when negligence isn't an issue. It just happens.
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ctc in ftmyers : 5/31/2016 10:05 pm : link
In comment 12978169 RC02XX said:
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Like to go to war, and I told you that you we're wrong, would you listen to my experience?

Experience is experience and not having them make your perspective a bit skewed compared to those who have them. That's what CiP, ctc, and I are trying to tell you.



Course I would. Would you refuse orders from a Commander in Chief who never served?

All I've said here is that it appears to me the woman was negligent. I never commented on yours or CiP's parenting. I merely disagreed with your take on this story.

I mentioned I chose not to have kids of my own. I didn't say I didn't have experience raising them.

I'm sure you're all great parents. But many, many, many arent.



Definitely not trying to start an argument, man...so if I sound like I'm coming off combative, I apologize.

And you are right, we don't have to agree. I think for the most part, many of us can empathize with this mother in losing sight of her kid for a brief moment. No one would have ever known this mother and her child if it wasn't a perfectly terrible combination of momentary distraction, a kids actual (and not stupid shit kids say) desire to go meet the gorilla, and the less than secure enclosure that a four year old could circumvent that allowed these events to unfold. It's tragic and a waste of beautiful animal's life. But accidents do happen even when negligence isn't an issue. It just happens.


This.

People can't accept that simple answer.
I think the public "rage" directed at the mother  
SomeFan : 5/31/2016 10:09 pm : link
is from the PETA folks and their like. Whether she was negligent or not is unknown. I find some of the explanations odd and can see scenarios that one would find her negligent and some that would not. Nothing is absolutely one way or the other because you may have lost junior at the mall for 10 seconds.

Certainly this is not criminal or gross negligence but I do think a higher level of attentiveness is warranted in certain situations. This may have been one such situation. But that's it; no need for special punishment or public scorn of her. I think this may be a lesson for her.
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ctc in ftmyers : 5/31/2016 10:21 pm : link
"I think this may be a lesson for her."

No, it is a lesson for everyone.

There for karma go you.

What is that gorilla was never born in captivity to reproduce a dying species would this have happened?
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Modus Operandi : 5/31/2016 10:23 pm : link
In comment 12978169 RC02XX said:
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Like to go to war, and I told you that you we're wrong, would you listen to my experience?

Experience is experience and not having them make your perspective a bit skewed compared to those who have them. That's what CiP, ctc, and I are trying to tell you.



Course I would. Would you refuse orders from a Commander in Chief who never served?

All I've said here is that it appears to me the woman was negligent. I never commented on yours or CiP's parenting. I merely disagreed with your take on this story.

I mentioned I chose not to have kids of my own. I didn't say I didn't have experience raising them.

I'm sure you're all great parents. But many, many, many arent.



Definitely not trying to start an argument, man...so if I sound like I'm coming off combative, I apologize.

And you are right, we don't have to agree. I think for the most part, many of us can empathize with this mother in losing sight of her kid for a brief moment. No one would have ever known this mother and her child if it wasn't a perfectly terrible combination of momentary distraction, a kids actual (and not stupid shit kids say) desire to go meet the gorilla, and the less than secure enclosure that a four year old could circumvent that allowed these events to unfold. It's tragic and a waste of beautiful animal's life. But accidents do happen even when negligence isn't an issue. It just happens.


No worries, brother. Have known you since the Midn_ and youre one if my faves here. Me too. Didn't mean to come off above it all.

I agree in general. With some fan too.
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ctc in ftmyers : 5/31/2016 10:24 pm : link
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