The video is really scary to watch, they don't show the shooting but they do show the Gorilla with the child.
Getting away from the, it should have never happened in the first place...If it got to that, I can't see myself not jumping in there as an instant reaction. However, I guess that could make it much worse.
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That sounds hazardous. Kid might wander into one of those thumbs threads and see some bouncing boobs. Can't have that.
So will a lot of species on this planet with that attitude.
Zoos play a big part of extending the life of species that otherwise would become extinct. Not all by the terrible human race.
The gorilla was born and raised in captivity. It was a gorilla. Case closed.
A human child vs an animal and there is a discussion?
I'm sure you would have waited for you child's arms to start getting ripped off before you let action against an animal be taken.
This lady, at that particular moment, was being a shitty parent. I am not a parent, but I've no issue saying it. Go to any public place on any given day - a restaurant, a supermarket, etc - and you'll see young kids running amock while their parents go about their their business oblivious to that fact that little Johnny just wrecked half of aisle one.
I work in such a place and see terrible parents daily, who just don't give a fuck.
I just don't like the fact that everyone is judge and jury in an event that just as easily can happen to them god forbid.
Just maybe everyone needs to knock on a door and have it open with a young couple with a dead baby in their arms fully extended expecting you to perform a miracle. I can tell you 100's of stories where shit happens.
You want to be called the asshole on national media when it happens to you?
Would it have made it more palatable to you if it was a pitbull who "endangered" a child and was shot to death?
Or was that the parents fault because they didn't watch their child every second?
Did you ever see the Twilight Zone episode of humans living in zoos? How would you like to live in a cage and have people staring at you all day?
Would it have made it more palatable to you if it was a pitbull who "endangered" a child and was shot to death?
Or was that the parents fault because they didn't watch their child every second?
It makes no difference what type of animal. I wouldn't even characterize myself as an animal nut. Point is, she took four kids to the zoo and her inattentiveness nearly cost one of them their life.
Does it make her an asshole? Maybe. Maybe not. Does stopping to take a picture around a gorilla pit make her a bad parent? Maybe. At that moment, for sure. One bad parent amongst millions.
Why, then, was this mother supposed to assume that if her three-year-old slipped out of her grasp, as he did, the next stop was going to be with the kid down in the pool with a teenage gorilla?
Some of you have some strange views as to how parents should perceive risks.
You don't have a clue is all I have to say.
When is the last time you took young kids anywhere?
You have an awfully simplistic view of this. One that I guarantee will change when you have kids. But enjoy it while it lasts.
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Why? Because I choose not to have four kids that I can't watch every moment?
You have an awfully simplistic view of this. One that I guarantee will change when you have kids. But enjoy it while it lasts.
With due respect, I'm 36 and not having kids is not for a lack of opportunity.
With that said, I think most people vastly overate their ability to be good parents.
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Why? Because I choose not to have four kids that I can't watch every moment?
You have an awfully simplistic view of this. One that I guarantee will change when you have kids. But enjoy it while it lasts.
With due respect, I'm 36 and not having kids is not for a lack of opportunity.
With that said, I think most people vastly overate their ability to be good parents.
Just as many underestimate the complications of doing it.
But you will judge others?
My respect for you went down a bunch of notches.
Really? You live the perfect life?
God bless you.
Every parent who ever lost sight of their kid is a bad parent. Every parent who ever had a kid that was hit by a car or swallowed something they shouldn't or choked on a grape or abducted. All bad parents. Because the hypothetical perfect parents would never allow their hypothetical children to be in any kind of danger anywhere.
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Accidents happen even to the best of parents. But hey, you think you can be a better parent, who never makes a mistake, even so much as being distracted for a few seconds. More power to you. I know I've made my share of mistakes.
Every parent who ever lost sight of their kid is a bad parent. Every parent who ever had a kid that was hit by a car or swallowed something they shouldn't or choked on a grape or abducted. All bad parents. Because the hypothetical perfect parents would never allow their hypothetical children to be in any kind of danger anywhere.
This. Nicely stated.
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Accidents happen even to the best of parents. But hey, you think you can be a better parent, who never makes a mistake, even so much as being distracted for a few seconds. More power to you. I know I've made my share of mistakes.
Every parent who ever lost sight of their kid is a bad parent. Every parent who ever had a kid that was hit by a car or swallowed something they shouldn't or choked on a grape or abducted. All bad parents. Because the hypothetical perfect parents would never allow their hypothetical children to be in any kind of danger anywhere.
Not MO.
Even when he was 23 he stated I have no brain or ideas of my own and if mommy or daddy told me that is what I do, I do it even to this day.
It's something else entirely to let your kid climb down into a gorilla pit. I Don't begrudge anyone having children. Maybe anecdotal, but in my experiences, some of the worst parents I know didn't stop at one. They just compound their mistakes.
Ctc: No reason for the passive-aggressiveness. If you're going to take it this personal, maybe take a break from the conversation?
No reason to let that get in the way of good old witch hunt! Burn her!
No point in arguing about the parent, we don't have enough info and even if we did parenting isn't about just staring at your kid waiting to keep them from fucking up.
Look in the mirror son.
It's not me who needs to take a break.
Yeah, people don't take offence when those without any experience tell them they know better then them.
Not sure how much you've dealt with determined 2-5 year olds on a daily basis, but they are resourceful as fuck. A child can climb over shit better than you ever thought they could and pretty damn fast. And they quick as all hell.
It's not about giving this mother sympathy as much as not going pitchfork crazy calling for her to lose custody of her kid or calling for her to be charged. There is a huge gulf between the two extremes. And for someone with limited experiences with kids to lecture others on how losing sight of their kids momentarily makes them criminally negligent is what is inviting these responses.
After 38 years without a problem, how can you blame the zoo?
Come on, man. You've been on your high horse throwing judgements at parents, who lose sight of their kids through this thread. As ctc stated, it's a bit annoying being lectured by someone with limited experience on a subject when most of us with kids have been trying to tell you from experience that raising kids and keeping eyes on them is difficult. Yet you keep telling us that it isn't so.
Really? But if a group of former presidents sat down with you and explained to you how difficult their day to day job is, wouldn't you listen to their experience? Or are you so arrogant in your own limited experience that you would still tell them that they're wrong?
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I've never told you what you should do, nor have I evaluated your parenting skills. We were discussing a news event until you went off the rails and started whining. You chose to take it personally.
Come on, man. You've been on your high horse throwing judgements at parents, who lose sight of their kids through this thread. As ctc stated, it's a bit annoying being lectured by someone with limited experience on a subject when most of us with kids have been trying to tell you from experience that raising kids and keeping eyes on them is difficult. Yet you keep telling us that it isn't so.
Please tell me where I said parenting was easy? Or where I said all parents and kids suck. Or any comment where I told anyone on this thread how they should raise their kids.
Thanks in advance.
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would the chaperone/teacher get this much sympathy? I know kids can be a bitch to handle, but IMO it takes a unique type of kid to end up in a pit.
Not sure how much you've dealt with determined 2-5 year olds on a daily basis, but they are resourceful as fuck. A child can climb over shit better than you ever thought they could and pretty damn fast. And they quick as all hell.
It's not about giving this mother sympathy as much as not going pitchfork crazy calling for her to lose custody of her kid or calling for her to be charged. There is a huge gulf between the two extremes. And for someone with limited experiences with kids to lecture others on how losing sight of their kids momentarily makes them criminally negligent is what is inviting these responses.
You're right, I'm underestimating how much kids can be little hellraisers if they're determined. I flew off the cuff when this story first broke, and admit to calling for her to lose the child, but understand that the right decision was made in the end.
Experience is experience and not having them make your perspective a bit skewed compared to those who have them. That's what CiP, ctc, and I are trying to tell you.
Experience is experience and not having them make your perspective a bit skewed compared to those who have them. That's what CiP, ctc, and I are trying to tell you.
Course I would. Would you refuse orders from a Commander in Chief who never served?
All I've said here is that it appears to me the woman was negligent. I never commented on yours or CiP's parenting. I merely disagreed with your take on this story.
I mentioned I chose not to have kids of my own. I didn't say I didn't have experience raising them.
I'm sure you're all great parents. But many, many, many arent.
You evaluated a person's skills you do not know, not mine. I do not take it personally.
As a matter of fact, my wife and I weren't blessed with children. Your assumptions are way far off.
In my career I have seen many tragedies with young children that happened in a blink of an eye.
If you were a parent, it could happen to you. You're not perfect no matter how much you think you are.
Maybe I take it personal because I have had to tell too many parents who thought it would never happen to their kid because they are so vigilant that they are dead.
It's that simple.
That you think you would be different?
Only by the grace of god or whatever karma you believe in or not.
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I've never told you what you should do, nor have I evaluated your parenting skills. We were discussing a news event until you went off the rails and started whining. You chose to take it personally.
Come on, man. You've been on your high horse throwing judgements at parents, who lose sight of their kids through this thread. As ctc stated, it's a bit annoying being lectured by someone with limited experience on a subject when most of us with kids have been trying to tell you from experience that raising kids and keeping eyes on them is difficult. Yet you keep telling us that it isn't so.
Please tell me where I said parenting was easy? Or where I said all parents and kids suck. Or any comment where I told anyone on this thread how they should raise their kids.
Thanks in advance.
I don't know...maybe I took this wrong, but this specific line sounds like criticism of most parents and their parenting skills. Maybe it's just me...but I don't know.
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Like to go to war, and I told you that you we're wrong, would you listen to my experience?
Experience is experience and not having them make your perspective a bit skewed compared to those who have them. That's what CiP, ctc, and I are trying to tell you.
Course I would. Would you refuse orders from a Commander in Chief who never served?
All I've said here is that it appears to me the woman was negligent. I never commented on yours or CiP's parenting. I merely disagreed with your take on this story.
I mentioned I chose not to have kids of my own. I didn't say I didn't have experience raising them.
I'm sure you're all great parents. But many, many, many arent.
Definitely not trying to start an argument, man...so if I sound like I'm coming off combative, I apologize.
And you are right, we don't have to agree. I think for the most part, many of us can empathize with this mother in losing sight of her kid for a brief moment. No one would have ever known this mother and her child if it wasn't a perfectly terrible combination of momentary distraction, a kids actual (and not stupid shit kids say) desire to go meet the gorilla, and the less than secure enclosure that a four year old could circumvent that allowed these events to unfold. It's tragic and a waste of beautiful animal's life. But accidents do happen even when negligence isn't an issue. It just happens.
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Like to go to war, and I told you that you we're wrong, would you listen to my experience?
Experience is experience and not having them make your perspective a bit skewed compared to those who have them. That's what CiP, ctc, and I are trying to tell you.
Course I would. Would you refuse orders from a Commander in Chief who never served?
All I've said here is that it appears to me the woman was negligent. I never commented on yours or CiP's parenting. I merely disagreed with your take on this story.
I mentioned I chose not to have kids of my own. I didn't say I didn't have experience raising them.
I'm sure you're all great parents. But many, many, many arent.
Definitely not trying to start an argument, man...so if I sound like I'm coming off combative, I apologize.
And you are right, we don't have to agree. I think for the most part, many of us can empathize with this mother in losing sight of her kid for a brief moment. No one would have ever known this mother and her child if it wasn't a perfectly terrible combination of momentary distraction, a kids actual (and not stupid shit kids say) desire to go meet the gorilla, and the less than secure enclosure that a four year old could circumvent that allowed these events to unfold. It's tragic and a waste of beautiful animal's life. But accidents do happen even when negligence isn't an issue. It just happens.
This.
People can't accept that simple answer.
Certainly this is not criminal or gross negligence but I do think a higher level of attentiveness is warranted in certain situations. This may have been one such situation. But that's it; no need for special punishment or public scorn of her. I think this may be a lesson for her.
No, it is a lesson for everyone.
There for karma go you.
What is that gorilla was never born in captivity to reproduce a dying species would this have happened?
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Like to go to war, and I told you that you we're wrong, would you listen to my experience?
Experience is experience and not having them make your perspective a bit skewed compared to those who have them. That's what CiP, ctc, and I are trying to tell you.
Course I would. Would you refuse orders from a Commander in Chief who never served?
All I've said here is that it appears to me the woman was negligent. I never commented on yours or CiP's parenting. I merely disagreed with your take on this story.
I mentioned I chose not to have kids of my own. I didn't say I didn't have experience raising them.
I'm sure you're all great parents. But many, many, many arent.
Definitely not trying to start an argument, man...so if I sound like I'm coming off combative, I apologize.
And you are right, we don't have to agree. I think for the most part, many of us can empathize with this mother in losing sight of her kid for a brief moment. No one would have ever known this mother and her child if it wasn't a perfectly terrible combination of momentary distraction, a kids actual (and not stupid shit kids say) desire to go meet the gorilla, and the less than secure enclosure that a four year old could circumvent that allowed these events to unfold. It's tragic and a waste of beautiful animal's life. But accidents do happen even when negligence isn't an issue. It just happens.
No worries, brother. Have known you since the Midn_ and youre one if my faves here. Me too. Didn't mean to come off above it all.
I agree in general. With some fan too.