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NFT: Cincinnati Zoo Kills Gorilla to Protect Child

kelsto811 : 5/29/2016 11:31 am
The video is really scary to watch, they don't show the shooting but they do show the Gorilla with the child.

Getting away from the, it should have never happened in the first place...If it got to that, I can't see myself not jumping in there as an instant reaction. However, I guess that could make it much worse.
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RC02XX : 5/31/2016 10:52 pm : link
Thanks, man! Have a great night.
it is glaringly obvious in this thread  
Greg from LI : 6/1/2016 1:40 am : link
who has kids and who doesn't.

This isn't a mother who left the kid alone in the house, or left a loaded weapon within the kid's reach,didnt use a car seat, or whatever. She focused on something else for probably less than a minute. Virtually all parents do that every now and then, and 99.999999% of the time nothing happens.

But some people need someone on whom to focus their outrageous outrage, or else they just don't feel right.
RE: RE: RE: Better yet, if you saw a bunch of war movies and told me how it was  
JOrthman : 6/1/2016 6:01 am : link
In comment 12978169 RC02XX said:
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Like to go to war, and I told you that you we're wrong, would you listen to my experience?

Experience is experience and not having them make your perspective a bit skewed compared to those who have them. That's what CiP, ctc, and I are trying to tell you.



Course I would. Would you refuse orders from a Commander in Chief who never served?

All I've said here is that it appears to me the woman was negligent. I never commented on yours or CiP's parenting. I merely disagreed with your take on this story.

I mentioned I chose not to have kids of my own. I didn't say I didn't have experience raising them.

I'm sure you're all great parents. But many, many, many arent.



Definitely not trying to start an argument, man...so if I sound like I'm coming off combative, I apologize.

And you are right, we don't have to agree. I think for the most part, many of us can empathize with this mother in losing sight of her kid for a brief moment. No one would have ever known this mother and her child if it wasn't a perfectly terrible combination of momentary distraction, a kids actual (and not stupid shit kids say) desire to go meet the gorilla, and the less than secure enclosure that a four year old could circumvent that allowed these events to unfold. It's tragic and a waste of beautiful animal's life. But accidents do happen even when negligence isn't an issue. It just happens.


Not only did this BBI War/rap battle/dispute/whatever end in a group hug, but there is something everyone can learn from this incident and apply it to other threads on similiar newsworthy topics.
What can I say?  
RC02XX : 6/1/2016 7:37 am : link
I'm a unifier and an ambassador of goodwill. And I'll burn your goddamn hut down if you disagree.
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SomeFan : 6/1/2016 8:10 am : link
In comment 12978180 ctc in ftmyers said:
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"I think this may be a lesson for her."

No, it is a lesson for everyone.

There for karma go you.

What is that gorilla was never born in captivity to reproduce a dying species would this have happened?


Agree with llesson for all who may otherwise be negligent.
RE: RE: Parenting isn't issue, and kids can be assholes...  
SomeFan : 6/1/2016 8:12 am : link
In comment 12978049 Chris in Philly said:
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Accidents happen even to the best of parents. But hey, you think you can be a better parent, who never makes a mistake, even so much as being distracted for a few seconds. More power to you. I know I've made my share of mistakes.



Every parent who ever lost sight of their kid is a bad parent. Every parent who ever had a kid that was hit by a car or swallowed something they shouldn't or choked on a grape or abducted. All bad parents. Because the hypothetical perfect parents would never allow their hypothetical children to be in any kind of danger anywhere.


That is as draconian a statement as saying no parent is ever negligent. It is bullshit.
It's an ironic statement  
Bill L : 6/1/2016 8:15 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: Parenting isn't issue, and kids can be assholes...  
RC02XX : 6/1/2016 8:19 am : link
In comment 12978288 SomeFan said:
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In comment 12978049 Chris in Philly said:


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Accidents happen even to the best of parents. But hey, you think you can be a better parent, who never makes a mistake, even so much as being distracted for a few seconds. More power to you. I know I've made my share of mistakes.



Every parent who ever lost sight of their kid is a bad parent. Every parent who ever had a kid that was hit by a car or swallowed something they shouldn't or choked on a grape or abducted. All bad parents. Because the hypothetical perfect parents would never allow their hypothetical children to be in any kind of danger anywhere.



That is as draconian a statement as saying no parent is ever negligent. It is bullshit.


Obviously you missed the intention of that statement as response to some of the posts in this thread.
I get what some of you guys are saying,  
GiantFilthy : 6/1/2016 9:56 am : link
and I don't care about winning any kind of parenting competition here but I can say with full confidence that going on seven years come Saturday I have yet to lose sight of KidFilthy when in public.

It's been kinda easy to raise a kid that doesn't run away and/or do dumb shit.
RE: I get what some of you guys are saying,  
Bill L : 6/1/2016 9:58 am : link
In comment 12978364 GiantFilthy said:
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and I don't care about winning any kind of parenting competition here but I can say with full confidence that going on seven years come Saturday I have yet to lose sight of KidFilthy when in public.

It's been kinda easy to raise a kid that doesn't run away and/or do dumb shit.
Your kid doesn't want to run away?
Of course  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/1/2016 9:59 am : link
that's easy with one child. Try taking 4 very active kids anywhere and see if that holds true
I ran away all the time as a kid  
UConn4523 : 6/1/2016 10:03 am : link
went to the Bronx Zoo and ran off, just the kind of kid I was. My mother was/is a fantastic parent, raised my sister and I by herself, is educated and successful. I could have easily been that kid 25 years ago and it would have had nothing to do with my mother being a bad parent.

It would have been my fault because I was an asshole kid who wanted to get into trouble and the zoo's fault who didn't properly secure their exhibits to the fullest extent possible.

If you can show me a video of this woman watching her kid in the act and not trying to stop him, then you'd all have a point. Until then, its a witch hunt with zero information.
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GiantFilthy : 6/1/2016 10:09 am : link
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AP in Halfmoon : 9:59 am : link : reply
that's easy with one child. Try taking 4 very active kids anywhere and see if that holds true

I wouldn't have 4 kids. Seems like a lot of parents that did wish they didn't because they constantly let you know that they can't handle it.
That sucks for their children  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/1/2016 10:12 am : link
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GiantFilthy : 6/1/2016 10:25 am : link
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UConn4523 : 10:03 am : link : reply
If you can show me a video of this woman watching her kid in the act and not trying to stop him, then you'd all have a point. Until then, its a witch hunt with zero information.

The information we have to go on is what we as parents would have done in this same situation, which probably would have involved our kid not being face to face with a gorilla.
I think that there is probably a 100% chance that the mom here  
Bill L : 6/1/2016 10:28 am : link
would have said the same thing if asked a few seconds prior.
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Chris in Philly : 6/1/2016 10:30 am : link
In comment 12978383 GiantFilthy said:
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AP in Halfmoon : 9:59 am : link : reply
that's easy with one child. Try taking 4 very active kids anywhere and see if that holds true


I wouldn't have 4 kids. Seems like a lot of parents that did wish they didn't because they constantly let you know that they can't handle it.


It doesn't have to be 4. Try it with 2.
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GiantFilthy : 6/1/2016 10:32 am : link
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Chris in Philly : 10:30 am : link : reply
It doesn't have to be 4. Try it with 2.

Let me borrow one real quick.
I'll give you 3..  
leatherneck570 : 6/1/2016 10:33 am : link
deal?
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GiantFilthy : 6/1/2016 10:42 am : link
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I'll give you 3..
leatherneck570 : 10:33 am : link : reply
deal?

Meet me at the zoo.
It's bad enough that you've procreate once already...  
RC02XX : 6/1/2016 10:43 am : link
I'm glad you don't have any plans to grace us with another one of your spawns.
October 4, 2014.  
GiantFilthy : 6/1/2016 10:49 am : link
The day I showed how much smartererer I am compared to most parents by getting snipped. Ezpz lemon squeezy. I would have done it myself if I had to.

What did you have for breakfast? I had creampie.
RE: October 4, 2014.  
RC02XX : 6/1/2016 10:53 am : link
In comment 12978475 GiantFilthy said:
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The day I showed how much smartererer I am compared to most parents by getting snipped. Ezpz lemon squeezy. I would have done it myself if I had to.

What did you have for breakfast? I had creampie.


If I were in your shoes, I would have made the exact same decision.
OK, I laughed  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/1/2016 12:05 pm : link
Read the caption
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fkap : 6/1/2016 12:15 pm : link
"Would agree that kids will have their share of accidents. I certainly did. They fall of their bikes and, yes, get hit by cars. Break bones. Etc.

It's something else entirely to let your kid climb down into a gorilla pit"

so what you're saying is that your mother let you get hit by a car? Damn, that's a harsh way to teach you not to play in the road.

as you said, accidents happen. the difference is that a parent should have a reasonable expectation that a four year old cannot, by himself, get into a gorilla cage.
I mean....  
GiantFilthy : 6/1/2016 12:47 pm : link
..some kids could use a good car'n, but we have to be all PC nowadays.
RE: I mean....  
RC02XX : 6/1/2016 1:19 pm : link
In comment 12978733 GiantFilthy said:
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..some kids could use a good car'n, but we have to be all PC nowadays.


But isn't that why we have more than one kid? So that you have a spare kid as a replacement?
just make sure you have a couple of spares  
fkap : 6/1/2016 1:25 pm : link
before snipping. Unlike Doritos, afterwards you won't make more.
You haven't met my boys.  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/1/2016 3:43 pm : link

"the difference is that a parent should have a reasonable expectation that a four year old cannot, by himself, get into a gorilla cage"
I don't think we should have reasonable expecatations  
GiantFilthy : 6/1/2016 3:48 pm : link
about anyone or anything anymore.

Just watch your kids, homie.
I'm no ralph nader  
ron mexico : 6/1/2016 4:03 pm : link
But this set up does seem to be risky. At least have a full fence


RE: I don't think we should have reasonable expecatations  
RC02XX : 6/1/2016 4:06 pm : link
In comment 12979058 GiantFilthy said:
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about anyone or anything anymore.

Just watch your kids, homie.


I agree that parents should definitely be attentive to their kids, both safety and needs. However, for a parent to be 100% attentive at all time is unrealistic. As stated above by a few posters, this would never have been a story about a mother being negligent as many are saying if it happened anywhere else. But by some shitty coincidence of shitty events (mother being distracted momentarily, kid wanting to go meet the gorilla (and meaning it), and the enclosure being less than effective), this became a tragic story. So tell me, if this mother became distracted near a penguin exhibit (that was effective in keeping people out) and the kid happened to walk away from the mother and start yelling at the penguins, would she still be considered criminally negligent? I mean, she lost sight of her child momentarily and all when she should have been watching him, right? Or is the condition for being negligent all based on the outcome of an event? And not the actual act of losing sight of her child? What is it?
Back to how dangerous a gorilla can be-  
Cam in MO : 6/1/2016 4:10 pm : link
leatherneck's wife can bench 600lbs.

I don't know what I would do if one of my kids fell into her pen.


Again...  
Randy in CT : 6/1/2016 4:14 pm : link
The parents and the zoo should both be accountable.

The parents can see what the enclosure is like and I'm sorry if some here are different, but when my kids are/were young and we are in a scenario like that, I'm not taking my eyes off them.

To the zoo: Seriously? Anybody can throw someone over and in? An unknowing kid can sneak in that easily and put himself in danger, making you liable? Fix this?
Ouch!  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/1/2016 4:15 pm : link
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Ronnie  
Rob in CT/NYC : 6/1/2016 4:25 pm : link
I appreciate your comments about outrage being outcome based, but I think it is a more a matter of the circumstances under which you lose sight of your children. It's a very different matter to become distracted in your own backyard versus at a rest stop on the New Jersey Turnpike, for example. I think any public place with large numbers of people requires a greater degree of attention, and children are naturally curious and attracted to animals.

That said, I don't think she is a horrible parent based solely on this incident.
Ronnie,  
GiantFilthy : 6/1/2016 4:30 pm : link
naw. I'd react the same way as I do when I see a neighbor's small child run out into the road while they aren't looking. Think poorly of them and say how farkin' lucky they are that hardly any cars come by.

The same parenting skills were on display whether the kid gets mauled or not.
I agree  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/1/2016 4:30 pm : link
that most parents would exercise greater diligence in that situation. It would be second nature. After seeing the photo, I can think of many situations where our kids were in a similar situation and I would be glued to them. That said, I'm very reluctant to judge a parent from one incident.
RE: Ronnie  
RC02XX : 6/1/2016 4:40 pm : link
In comment 12979119 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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I appreciate your comments about outrage being outcome based, but I think it is a more a matter of the circumstances under which you lose sight of your children. It's a very different matter to become distracted in your own backyard versus at a rest stop on the New Jersey Turnpike, for example. I think any public place with large numbers of people requires a greater degree of attention, and children are naturally curious and attracted to animals.

That said, I don't think she is a horrible parent based solely on this incident.


But then this falls into what mahn george was stating regarding a zoo with 38 years of no serious incident being relatively safe place for a mother to expect her child to be safe as she took a picture for a few seconds. It unfortunate that all of the factors combined to turn this situation into a tragic one. But the outrage displayed in this thread seems a bit too much, in my opinion.
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RC02XX : 6/1/2016 4:45 pm : link
In comment 12979122 GiantFilthy said:
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naw. I'd react the same way as I do when I see a neighbor's small child run out into the road while they aren't looking. Think poorly of them and say how farkin' lucky they are that hardly any cars come by.

The same parenting skills were on display whether the kid gets mauled or not.


So was she negligent in your opinion? If so, criminally?

I think that based on the story, she wasn't negligent and definitely not criminally negligent. It's a terrible situation that came to a head when all the factors collided to create something dangerous and tragic.

But we can disagree and move on on this one.
I just can't help but think  
UConn4523 : 6/1/2016 4:48 pm : link
of what every poster on this thread did as a 5 year old, or really whatever age up until adulthood. There's probably a lot of shit that if you got caught or if the worst case scenario actually happened and you got hurt or worse, by the standards set by many on this thread, you'd all have horrible parents.
I never said anything about it being criminal.  
GiantFilthy : 6/1/2016 4:52 pm : link
I just think in this case she was doing a shitty job of being a parent.
Filthy  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/1/2016 5:05 pm : link
Are you saying you can't see a scenario where a hot MILF approaches you with a map of the zoo and asks a question? You take 5 seconds and try to answer her? That's what it would take in this case.
This is thought provoking  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/1/2016 5:13 pm : link
Rush Limbaugh: Radio Host Asks 'How Come Harambe Is Still an Ape?'

"If we were the original apes, then how come Harambe is still an ape, and how come he didn’t become one of us?” Limbaugh asked on Tuesday's show.

/s
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David in LA : 6/1/2016 5:21 pm : link
horrible story  
RasputinPrime : 6/1/2016 5:32 pm : link
and enough blame to go around. As always. There are no perfect solutions.

I will say that any human being that watches that behind a camera without getting in there will never get on my island.
RE: This is thought provoking  
Big Al : 6/1/2016 5:47 pm : link
In comment 12979178 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Rush Limbaugh: Radio Host Asks 'How Come Harambe Is Still an Ape?'

"If we were the original apes, then how come Harambe is still an ape, and how come he didn’t become one of us?” Limbaugh asked on Tuesday's show.

/s
You sound like one of those crazed evolutionists.
It would be interesting  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/1/2016 6:14 pm : link
To hear his comments when the mic was off.
RE: It would be interesting  
ron mexico : 6/1/2016 6:21 pm : link
In comment 12979257 AP in Halfmoon said:
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To hear his comments when the mic was off.


Are you implying its all an act?
RE: Back to how dangerous a gorilla can be-  
leatherneck570 : 6/1/2016 6:29 pm : link
In comment 12979090 Cam in MO said:
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leatherneck's wife can bench 600lbs.

I don't know what I would do if one of my kids fell into her pen.



That's fucked up. She's up to 650 now.
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