The video is really scary to watch, they don't show the shooting but they do show the Gorilla with the child.
Getting away from the, it should have never happened in the first place...If it got to that, I can't see myself not jumping in there as an instant reaction. However, I guess that could make it much worse.
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This isn't a mother who left the kid alone in the house, or left a loaded weapon within the kid's reach,didnt use a car seat, or whatever. She focused on something else for probably less than a minute. Virtually all parents do that every now and then, and 99.999999% of the time nothing happens.
But some people need someone on whom to focus their outrageous outrage, or else they just don't feel right.
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Like to go to war, and I told you that you we're wrong, would you listen to my experience?
Experience is experience and not having them make your perspective a bit skewed compared to those who have them. That's what CiP, ctc, and I are trying to tell you.
Course I would. Would you refuse orders from a Commander in Chief who never served?
All I've said here is that it appears to me the woman was negligent. I never commented on yours or CiP's parenting. I merely disagreed with your take on this story.
I mentioned I chose not to have kids of my own. I didn't say I didn't have experience raising them.
I'm sure you're all great parents. But many, many, many arent.
Definitely not trying to start an argument, man...so if I sound like I'm coming off combative, I apologize.
And you are right, we don't have to agree. I think for the most part, many of us can empathize with this mother in losing sight of her kid for a brief moment. No one would have ever known this mother and her child if it wasn't a perfectly terrible combination of momentary distraction, a kids actual (and not stupid shit kids say) desire to go meet the gorilla, and the less than secure enclosure that a four year old could circumvent that allowed these events to unfold. It's tragic and a waste of beautiful animal's life. But accidents do happen even when negligence isn't an issue. It just happens.
Not only did this BBI War/rap battle/dispute/whatever end in a group hug, but there is something everyone can learn from this incident and apply it to other threads on similiar newsworthy topics.
No, it is a lesson for everyone.
There for karma go you.
What is that gorilla was never born in captivity to reproduce a dying species would this have happened?
Agree with llesson for all who may otherwise be negligent.
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Accidents happen even to the best of parents. But hey, you think you can be a better parent, who never makes a mistake, even so much as being distracted for a few seconds. More power to you. I know I've made my share of mistakes.
Every parent who ever lost sight of their kid is a bad parent. Every parent who ever had a kid that was hit by a car or swallowed something they shouldn't or choked on a grape or abducted. All bad parents. Because the hypothetical perfect parents would never allow their hypothetical children to be in any kind of danger anywhere.
That is as draconian a statement as saying no parent is ever negligent. It is bullshit.
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Accidents happen even to the best of parents. But hey, you think you can be a better parent, who never makes a mistake, even so much as being distracted for a few seconds. More power to you. I know I've made my share of mistakes.
Every parent who ever lost sight of their kid is a bad parent. Every parent who ever had a kid that was hit by a car or swallowed something they shouldn't or choked on a grape or abducted. All bad parents. Because the hypothetical perfect parents would never allow their hypothetical children to be in any kind of danger anywhere.
That is as draconian a statement as saying no parent is ever negligent. It is bullshit.
Obviously you missed the intention of that statement as response to some of the posts in this thread.
It's been kinda easy to raise a kid that doesn't run away and/or do dumb shit.
It's been kinda easy to raise a kid that doesn't run away and/or do dumb shit.
It would have been my fault because I was an asshole kid who wanted to get into trouble and the zoo's fault who didn't properly secure their exhibits to the fullest extent possible.
If you can show me a video of this woman watching her kid in the act and not trying to stop him, then you'd all have a point. Until then, its a witch hunt with zero information.
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that's easy with one child. Try taking 4 very active kids anywhere and see if that holds true
I wouldn't have 4 kids. Seems like a lot of parents that did wish they didn't because they constantly let you know that they can't handle it.
If you can show me a video of this woman watching her kid in the act and not trying to stop him, then you'd all have a point. Until then, its a witch hunt with zero information.
The information we have to go on is what we as parents would have done in this same situation, which probably would have involved our kid not being face to face with a gorilla.
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that's easy with one child. Try taking 4 very active kids anywhere and see if that holds true
I wouldn't have 4 kids. Seems like a lot of parents that did wish they didn't because they constantly let you know that they can't handle it.
It doesn't have to be 4. Try it with 2.
It doesn't have to be 4. Try it with 2.
Let me borrow one real quick.
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deal?
Meet me at the zoo.
What did you have for breakfast? I had creampie.
What did you have for breakfast? I had creampie.
If I were in your shoes, I would have made the exact same decision.
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It's something else entirely to let your kid climb down into a gorilla pit"
so what you're saying is that your mother let you get hit by a car? Damn, that's a harsh way to teach you not to play in the road.
as you said, accidents happen. the difference is that a parent should have a reasonable expectation that a four year old cannot, by himself, get into a gorilla cage.
But isn't that why we have more than one kid? So that you have a spare kid as a replacement?
"the difference is that a parent should have a reasonable expectation that a four year old cannot, by himself, get into a gorilla cage"
Just watch your kids, homie.
Just watch your kids, homie.
I agree that parents should definitely be attentive to their kids, both safety and needs. However, for a parent to be 100% attentive at all time is unrealistic. As stated above by a few posters, this would never have been a story about a mother being negligent as many are saying if it happened anywhere else. But by some shitty coincidence of shitty events (mother being distracted momentarily, kid wanting to go meet the gorilla (and meaning it), and the enclosure being less than effective), this became a tragic story. So tell me, if this mother became distracted near a penguin exhibit (that was effective in keeping people out) and the kid happened to walk away from the mother and start yelling at the penguins, would she still be considered criminally negligent? I mean, she lost sight of her child momentarily and all when she should have been watching him, right? Or is the condition for being negligent all based on the outcome of an event? And not the actual act of losing sight of her child? What is it?
I don't know what I would do if one of my kids fell into her pen.
The parents can see what the enclosure is like and I'm sorry if some here are different, but when my kids are/were young and we are in a scenario like that, I'm not taking my eyes off them.
To the zoo: Seriously? Anybody can throw someone over and in? An unknowing kid can sneak in that easily and put himself in danger, making you liable? Fix this?
That said, I don't think she is a horrible parent based solely on this incident.
The same parenting skills were on display whether the kid gets mauled or not.
That said, I don't think she is a horrible parent based solely on this incident.
But then this falls into what mahn george was stating regarding a zoo with 38 years of no serious incident being relatively safe place for a mother to expect her child to be safe as she took a picture for a few seconds. It unfortunate that all of the factors combined to turn this situation into a tragic one. But the outrage displayed in this thread seems a bit too much, in my opinion.
The same parenting skills were on display whether the kid gets mauled or not.
So was she negligent in your opinion? If so, criminally?
I think that based on the story, she wasn't negligent and definitely not criminally negligent. It's a terrible situation that came to a head when all the factors collided to create something dangerous and tragic.
But we can disagree and move on on this one.
"If we were the original apes, then how come Harambe is still an ape, and how come he didn’t become one of us?” Limbaugh asked on Tuesday's show.
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I will say that any human being that watches that behind a camera without getting in there will never get on my island.
"If we were the original apes, then how come Harambe is still an ape, and how come he didn’t become one of us?” Limbaugh asked on Tuesday's show.
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Are you implying its all an act?
I don't know what I would do if one of my kids fell into her pen.
That's fucked up. She's up to 650 now.