RB Andre Williams standing out in Giants backfield

Nobody will accuse him of not give it his all.

He has been a bust. I hope this year we see something out of him.

His biggest issue to me was his turning his shoulders when initiating contact. So he was driving forward with his feet and shoulders turned sideways instead of head on. This losing his power. Not ready to give up on him but that is a big issue for a HB.

back in the NFL.

That said, I don't see how a few days of practicing in t-shirts will fix his inability to find holes, rather than run straight into the backs of his blockers

thanks

but seriously come on why wouldnt he come into OTAs/Camp this in shape last year?

Do we really want to give all these touches?

but I imagine being the YAC leader indicates a great ability to gain yards at the second level. Thus far, he hasn't been able to get to the second level nor run with momentum. I'm hoping he and the team can fix that to at least see his potential

that would be a start

I'm a 32 and I'm 6 ft 168! That's a completely different football player......

At that weight, it implies he had a conditioning problem.

In comment 12981213 jcn56 said:

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At that weight, it implies he had a conditioning problem.

Or that he is absolutely ripped now.

of him shirtless at last year's training camp looking absolutely shredded while working on receiving drills?

But it was all added bulk. Made him stiffer than normal.

In comment 12981213 jcn56 said:

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At that weight, it implies he had a conditioning problem.

I doubt that. Here is one of last year's pictures of him. The guy was ripped.

I had a 32 inch waist when I was 18 and weighed 160-170 at 6 ft. Getting to 33 for me at 195-205 is a struggle. How they hell he could possibly have a 31 inch waist at somewhere between 210 and 230 is incredible. The guy was jacked last year.

Obviously i'm rooting for him b/c it will ultimately help the team if he performs but I just don't see it with this player.

In comment 12981156 Jints in Carolina said:

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He has been a bust. I hope this year we see something out of him.

I don't think we'll see shit out of him. He's the knid of back that needs 20+ carries. Bringing him in occasionally for a few carries a game prevents him from getting in sync with the blockers and also telegraphs "running play" when he's in the backfield.

He'd be solid if he is a workhorse, IMO.

But those were from OTAs last year, right? It's possible he put on pounds as the season went on.

If he weighed 230 and was that ripped, you'd have to figure he'd be around 10-12% bodyfat. That would imply he only had 23 lbs of fat to start with at that already low percentage - is it humanly possible for him to lose another 12?!

In comment 12981243 jcn56 said:

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But those were from OTAs last year, right? It's possible he put on pounds as the season went on. If he weighed 230 and was that ripped, you'd have to figure he'd be around 10-12% bodyfat. That would imply he only had 23 lbs of fat to start with at that already low percentage - is it humanly possible for him to lose another 12?!

Those arencrazy numbers, jcn. 10% is healthy and ripped on a man. Pro bodybuilders will routinely drop down to 4-5% on contest day and that's NOT healthy to maintain.

If Williams is at 5-6% he will burn out quickly. I have to believe The Giants conditioning staff will monitor him.

arencrazy = are crazy

Also, based on his height and weight, if he was at 36" waist I don't think he was that ripped to begin with. Either he gained some weight at some point, or the camera is playing tricks on us.

At any rate - the major point here is the guy made a concerted effort to lose weight, and I'm sure that was based on direction he was given by the team.

a 31" waist, than a 36" waist?

to bulk up like he did last year.

and only after 1 bad year behind a weak o line. He has work to do but did well as a rookie. what am I missing here? This is like the most hated man on BBI...

In comment 12981291 Doomster said:

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a 31" waist, than a 36" waist?

Actually, it's the 34" waist you have to watch out for.

I wear a 38", probably should reduce that to 36" now that I am not huckin stuff.

To get to a 31" I would have to remove my entire hip and leg bone structure and replace them with someone elses.

and that is at 6'. 195 last time I checked.

get ‘em Andre.

In comment 12981294 OBJ_AllDay said:

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and only after 1 bad year behind a weak o line. He has work to do but did well as a rookie. what am I missing here? This is like the most hated man on BBI...

One bad year? He made some nice plays his rookie year but overall he was very average. Last season he was awful.

I'm not totally down on him but his problem isn't his weight or his shoulder, its between the ears. I hope he figures it out because he is the kind of guy that can make defenses want to give up.

if you lift very heavy, think powerlifting, your more blocky and less explosive but appear large. If you lift higher reps and do a circuit type training you lean out a bit. You will lose weight but your strength can even improve and flexibility definitely improves. He was extremely tight last year as a runner. Hopefully this will yield results

"He'd be better if he got enough carries" concept. The guy has no vision to find holes. Is 20 carries for 25 yards somehow better than 5 carries for 7 yards?

will widen his FOV or peripheral vision some...

Well that sums up the problem doesn't it. He should be "running in the secondary" instead...

Williams is making some needed adjustments to his game.

By all accounts he is a really good guy, rooting for him to make it, although my expectations are not very high.

For example, Darkwa found the holes that were there and fired through them and got the kind of yard the team seemed to desperately need. However he got far fewer carries than Williams who consistently appeared to be running to where the play was designed to go, and unfortunately for him, where the defense had been been waiting for him long enough to have a cup of coffee and read the paper.

There are Plenty of example of other players whose presence on the field seemed to be more of a result of performing an assigned task as directed more so than for their ability to be productive at "playing football". Marcus Kuhn comes to mind

new coaching with an influence on running the ball and not executing a play as it is on a chalk board might lead to him being a more instinctual runner. In his rookie season when he got to the second level his ability to find where to run and put on a couple moves to get there showed the type of skills that one would think would make him a much better runner between the tackles then he has shown so far

But that pic we keep seeing of him is ridiculous even by NFL standards and I hope he really has grown into a valuable piece.

We wanted another Bradshaw and that's not him, but with a good OL that can create holes he can def go forward fast and carry guys a yard or two.

makes his hands grow... so he can finally catch some balls.

fat below the neck was never the problem. Unless he's had a brain transplant, I don't see it happening.

His problems, even when in school, have been consistent:

1. Horrible balance.
2. Poor vision.
3. The instinct to not run through contact, except on dive plays.

He'll likely be a little quicker, but the kid always has been a beast! That's not his problem.

In comment 12981168 mfsd said:

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back in the NFL. That said, I don't see how a few days of practicing in t-shirts will fix his inability to find holes, rather than run straight into the backs of his blockers

Maybe he used to have fat eyelids.

I'm not saying he's going to be either guy, but both Tiki & Amani are two guys who initially struggled, only to have breakout seasons in their 3 years.

*3rd seasons.

In comment 12981687 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:

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I'm not saying he's going to be either guy, but both Tiki & Amani are two guys who initially struggled, only to have breakout seasons in their 3 years.

Sometimes wideouts take awhile, but Tiki was an anomaly. Sadly, you usually know what you've got in a RB pretty quickly.

Be a bust?

he came from B.C.

drafted hi, I soon realized my enthusiasm was misplaced.
I dont care if this guy loses weight and has muscles on top of muscles. What I have seen in 2 years from him is a lack of natural instinct running the ball, following blockers, running to daylight. He's never going to outrun defenders or shake them out of their shoes, so i dont see how this weight loss is going to help him. He's no Brandon Jacobs, but that is the type of back that he is. North-south runner, hit the hole, and hit someone on the way.

I just want to have out best back play 75 percent of all plays.

I don't care if its Williams, Jennings, Perkins, our my mother.

of the running plays sounds good. 2nd back to take up the 25% and use Vereen independent of whether or not he's alone or in a 2 back set.

Then you probably need a bench warmer for when the injury bug bites.

Darkwa and Williams both make the final 53.

Williams is in shape and Dayne never was. But that's it. Hand either one of them the ball and he will run into the first defender he sees and get stopped in his tracks.

In comment 12982730 GeofromNJ said:

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Williams is in shape and Dayne never was. But that's it. Hand either one of them the ball and he will run into the first defender he sees and get stopped in his tracks.

And Dayne was 250 lbs., thanks to him, Tiki became a full time
starter here. I don't care how much weight Williams has lost,
or how much body fat he has, all that matters is what he does
on Sundays. I am not holding my breath.