PFF: Signing JackRabbit One of Ten Worst Moves of OffSeason

throwing a whole lot of money at a problem is generally not the best way to solve it, and there is a comparative disparity between the size of the contract and the player's past performance,

but the Giants really needed to purchase a decent CB.

The question I have of PFF is why is Jenkins any worse of a move than the Vernon or Harrison contracts? I think all three contracts were pretty much equally comparable. They were three signings that were all pricey relative to past performance - but the result was securing three healthy, hardworking, productive players in significant areas of need, on a unit that was a no-show last year.

The Giants were also competing with 10 other teams with record cap dollars for those signings. Each of the players signed were in the top 10 of the available talent - and arguably the top two available at their respective positions.

If you look at the available talent and the competing dollars -- the Giants had to spend to land them -- and received comparative max-available benefit with each of the three signings.

So while the dollars seem disproportionate - in light of the pool of available dollars, the pool of available talent, and the size of available benefits - I don't think PFF evaluation is either accurate or correctly analyzed -- their analysis fails on two levels:

1) singling out the Janoris Jenkis signing as worse than the signing of Olivier Vernon and Snacks Harrison, and

2) failing to analyze the marketplace that led to the signings

Lastly, there is no doubt that the Jenkins signing improves the Giants - and saying that is if it was kind of no weight part of the evaluation is somewhat disingenuous. I think all of you who are bemoaning the long range effect on the Giants cap are failing to grasp the core concept here. Frugally spend now on maudlin talent and wade through another few years of awful football, or spend part of your huge war chest on the wisest available talent and become competitive now.

Given the choice in advance - I'd chose what the Giants did.

for many of their free-agent signings - but overpaying does not necessarily equate to being a poor decision. The reality is that quality players in the NFL that are under the age of 30 don't become free agents very often. But when they do, and that person matches a need for your team, you have to shell out the cash if the immediate interest is in competing for a championship.

Specifically in this case, I don't think paying big money to Vernon and Jenkins was a mistake because their contracts are set up favorably. A lot of the money is upfront, and the impact on the salary cap is that the team is on the hook with their salaries for the first 2 seasons - after that there's room to terminate those contracts without doing substantial damage to the management of the cap (hopefully that's not a bridge that will need to be crossed).

Let me quickly add this. YES, we overpaid for Canty and Boley, but unfortunately (as with today) it's whatever is the market. They didn't have long careers here because of injuries, but I don't believe it's much (if any) exaggeration to say that they were integral in our last SB year..To me, THAT was money well spent and we were far from flush with money at the time..

We're drafting better (at least it appears so) and perhaps being blessed with health, we can re-sign more of our own and spend less dollars on replacements/upgrades. We shall see..

Didn't want to come here but the cash was right. Irvin would follow the cash too. They always do.

They signed Jenkins immediately. He was one of the top targets. I see it as a mistake and would have signed 2 guys for that price. Irvin. Barron. TE Green. WR Benjamin. CB Hayward. S McLeod. There were a lot of guys available for less than half the price. We could have added 2.

The article points out some of the reasons ithis deal doesn't seem like a good value for the Giants. It didnt even touch on his tackling problems. The guy misses a lot of tackles.

He's on the team now. I would have preferred a different strategy but I hope this plan works

than we did for Vernon. Jenkins is being paid like a top 3 corner and he is not that. I am by no means saying he is not a good player, hes just not worth that much. Hopefully the cap keeps going up and the contract is considered reasonable in a few years

In comment 12982301 TommyWiseau said:

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than we did for Vernon. Jenkins is being paid like a top 3 corner and he is not that. I am by no means saying he is not a good player, hes just not worth that much. Hopefully the cap keeps going up and the contract is considered reasonable in a few years

Two CERTAINTIES Tommy (Unless the NFL hits bottom):

1-The Cap will keep going up

2-The contract will be considered reasonable in a few years

Pay attention(as I do) to the analyses here and elsewhere as they pertain to "real" money and guarantees..That's what people need to keep their eye on and don't..In Baseball, if you see $150 million contract, that's what they'll get. There are no secrets or finite details to be aware of, imv..Not in the NFL

and Casey Heyward is an oft-injured player -

personally - I would rather have a full-time CB on the team rather than another Prince -

In comment 12982332 gidiefor said:

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and Casey Heyward is an oft-injured player - personally - I would rather have a full-time CB on the team rather than another Prince -

and by the way - if the Giants wanted Prince back - he would have been cheaper than Casey Heyward

is that Jenkins contract made this list but there was no mention at all of the Norman contract given by the Skins! He's making a LOT more than Jenkins and I don't think he's any better. Just older.

I would have went with Prince over Jenkins. Prince for 1 more year and still you get 2 more players. Irvin, McLeod, and Prince > Jenkins

Wasingron overpaid for their CB. Giants overpaid too.

In comment 12982306 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 12982301 TommyWiseau said: Quote: than we did for Vernon. Jenkins is being paid like a top 3 corner and he is not that. I am by no means saying he is not a good player, hes just not worth that much. Hopefully the cap keeps going up and the contract is considered reasonable in a few years Two CERTAINTIES Tommy (Unless the NFL hits bottom): 1-The Cap will keep going up 2-The contract will be considered reasonable in a few years Pay attention(as I do) to the analyses here and elsewhere as they pertain to "real" money and guarantees..That's what people need to keep their eye on and don't..In Baseball, if you see $150 million contract, that's what they'll get. There are no secrets or finite details to be aware of, imv..Not in the NFL

#2 would only be true if Jenkins plays well. PFF's contention and I'm not defending them wasn't the overpay, as much as it is that Jenkins just isn't good.

I agree with most of the people saying so what you overpaid, it's what you do in FA. IF..big IF Jenkins plays well. If he doesn't you're stuck with a bad player making a ton of money and you still need to staff the position - or just have an obvious weak link on D. Nothing stands out worse than a CB who is beatable.

And I think it's the PFF stats that bear that out. He was great the last half of last season. The overpaid stuff is the easy way to criticize any top tier FA and you could say it about any top tier FA. The Vernon signing was criticized elsewhere for the exact same thing. Jenkins is a big plus for this team and got paid market value. If Prince had lived up to his potential he would have got a similar contract. Good players don't came cheap, your own or someone else's.

In comment 12982463 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 12982306 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 12982301 TommyWiseau said: Quote: than we did for Vernon. Jenkins is being paid like a top 3 corner and he is not that. I am by no means saying he is not a good player, hes just not worth that much. Hopefully the cap keeps going up and the contract is considered reasonable in a few years Two CERTAINTIES Tommy (Unless the NFL hits bottom): 1-The Cap will keep going up 2-The contract will be considered reasonable in a few years Pay attention(as I do) to the analyses here and elsewhere as they pertain to "real" money and guarantees..That's what people need to keep their eye on and don't..In Baseball, if you see $150 million contract, that's what they'll get. There are no secrets or finite details to be aware of, imv..Not in the NFL #2 would only be true if Jenkins plays well. PFF's contention and I'm not defending them wasn't the overpay, as much as it is that Jenkins just isn't good. I agree with most of the people saying so what you overpaid, it's what you do in FA. IF..big IF Jenkins plays well. If he doesn't you're stuck with a bad player making a ton of money and you still need to staff the position - or just have an obvious weak link on D. Nothing stands out worse than a CB who is beatable.

They did draft a possible hedge in Apple if Jenkins bombs..Most teams are NOT deep in the Secondary, so the best hedge is to draft a potential starter and hope, as most teams do, that you can find a diamond in UDFA

I agree with the hedge. and going into the season with DRC, Jenkins, and Apple might be the best trio of CB's the Giants have entered a season with in my lifetime.

I just think more rides on how well Jenkins plays than how much they paid for him, though the two are obviously somewhat related. Mainly because of the obvious, Jenkins is being paid like a top CB. He needs to play like one and all then all this overpay talk seems silly. If he bombs out there then we can revisit this "worst signing" crap.

In comment 12982470 pjcas18 said:

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I agree with the hedge. and going into the season with DRC, Jenkins, and Apple might be the best trio of CB's the Giants have entered a season with in my lifetime.

Sparks, Sehorn & whomever were pretty damn good.

In comment 12982452 KWALL2 said:

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I would have went with Prince over Jenkins. Prince for 1 more year and still you get 2 more players. Irvin, McLeod, and Prince > Jenkins Wasingron overpaid for their CB. Giants overpaid too.

K -- there's no way the Giants were going with Prince -- and Jenkins is a much better player than Prince and he stays on the field -- Irvin would be a good pick up but the Giants game is predicated on beefing up the front and the rear so you have to buy what your game preference is

When he was healthy (yeah I know), Prince was a good CB. That's what Jenkins is. He isn't elite.