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BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/7/2016 9:28 pm
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The theoretical physicist Michio Kaku claims to have developed a theory that might point to the existence of God. The information has created a great stir in the scientific community because Kaku is considered one of the most important scientists of our times, one of the creators and developers of the revolutionary String Theory which is highly respected throughout the world.

To to come to his conclusions, the physicist made & #8203;& #8203;use of what he calls “primitive semi – radius tachyons “.

Tachyons are theoretical particles capable to “unstick ” the Universe matter or vacuum space between matter particles, leaving everything free from the influences of the surrounding universe.

After conducting the tests, Kaku came to the conclusion that we live in a “Matrix”.

“I have concluded that we are in a world made by rules created by an intelligence”, he affirmed. “Believe me, everything that we call chance today won’t make sense anymore.”

“To me it is clear that we exists in a plan which is governed by rules that were created, shaped by a universal intelligence and not by chance.”



Mathematics, Physics, & God - ( New Window )
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Would love for Gene to teach us about climate change.  
GiantFilthy : 6/8/2016 12:36 pm : link
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someone already told me this  
GMAN4LIFE : 6/8/2016 12:44 pm : link



Why is God always intelligent?  
WideRight : 6/8/2016 12:44 pm : link
Equally likely God is a dumbass who eats bonbons all day, but nobody seems interested in proving that God exists. Always has to be intelligent, probably tall and sexy too. Maybe blond, blue-eyed, wart-free...
We're just charging  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/8/2016 12:58 pm : link
Someone's car battery.
Imagine - The question of the existence of God answered on BBI...  
kinard : 6/8/2016 1:44 pm : link
... Here's my favorite "God" story

Vince Lombardi comes home after a cold night practice in Green Bay. When he walks in his house, he's greeted by his wife who says to him "God, your hands are freezing"

He turns to her and says "Honey, around the house its OK to call me Vince"

RE: lol, predictable chorus denigrating a guy  
BMac : 6/8/2016 2:10 pm : link
In comment 12986026 GeneInCal said:
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because he isn't falling in line.

Yet, these same people will swear to all that is holy that Bill Nye the Science guy mechanical engineer is an expert on Global Warming. lol


Bill Nye...#1 on Gene-O's Pinko List.
I look forward...  
Chris in Philly : 6/8/2016 2:19 pm : link
to scintillating observations from noted intellectual Gene. Preferably while angrily mashing his phone in the parking lot the family restaurant.
The real problem isn't Kaku, it's the blogger who  
Heisenberg : 6/8/2016 2:25 pm : link
changed his 'could be' conclusion to 'definitive proof' and the BBI poster who brought it here under the same auspices.
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GiantFilthy : 6/8/2016 2:25 pm : link
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I look forward...
Chris in Philly : 2:19 pm : link : reply
to scintillating observations from noted intellectual Gene. Preferably while angrily mashing his phone in the parking lot the family restaurant.

If I recall correctly it was voice to text while driving with his family in the car.
Big Blue  
Bill2 : 6/8/2016 2:32 pm : link
For starters, please help me understand the difference and goals of science, logic, ontology, epistemology and metaphysics>

Which tries to establish if the concept of God exists?

Then please reexamine all of that after deconstructing both the particular language and the semantics used in your assertion and whatever "proof" you found

or

or you could just believe whatever you believe for any "reason" and allow everyone to do the same
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Chris in Philly : 6/8/2016 3:02 pm : link
In comment 12986273 GiantFilthy said:
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I look forward...
Chris in Philly : 2:19 pm : link : reply
to scintillating observations from noted intellectual Gene. Preferably while angrily mashing his phone in the parking lot the family restaurant.


If I recall correctly it was voice to text while driving with his family in the car.


Even better!
RE: The real problem isn't Kaku, it's the blogger who  
jcn56 : 6/8/2016 3:03 pm : link
In comment 12986271 Heisenberg said:
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changed his 'could be' conclusion to 'definitive proof' and the BBI poster who brought it here under the same auspices.


Trust me, the real problem is Kaku. It took me 3 months to figure out what a 'wector' was.
With respect...  
Modus Operandi : 6/8/2016 3:04 pm : link
Those predisposed to faith, for any myriad of reasons, will choose to see God in anything and everything. Whether it's theoretical astrophysics, the reason an orange tastes good or some other perceived miracle.

That's hardly definitive proof of anything by virtue of the fact that it's based in faith. It's certainly not science or any motivating factor in science.
RE: With respect...  
jcn56 : 6/8/2016 3:07 pm : link
In comment 12986350 Modus Operandi said:
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Those predisposed to faith, for any myriad of reasons, will choose to see God in anything and everything. Whether it's theoretical astrophysics, the reason an orange tastes good or some other perceived miracle.

That's hardly definitive proof of anything by virtue of the fact that it's based in faith. It's certainly not science or any motivating factor in science.


The problem isn't trying to see or seeing god in everything and anything, it's trying to resolve every last detail with their faith. There are faiths that go so far as to discourage this behavior, and for good reason.
It is funny to hear people talking about "proof"  
Randy in CT : 6/8/2016 3:09 pm : link
regarding their "faith".
It seems to me that BBI  
mrvax : 6/8/2016 3:10 pm : link
has a much lower % of God believers than the national average. Just saying....

BTW: I've always liked Michio Kaku because he can explain some complex things in a way that even I can understand it.
Modus,  
GiantFilthy : 6/8/2016 3:14 pm : link
I once had a teacher tell us that the fact that she can't prove that God exists is what makes her believe in God even more because only God could keep his existence so hidden.

I put my teeth on the curb and begged from someone to stomp.
"Mommy...  
Chris in Philly : 6/8/2016 3:30 pm : link
why is Daddy yelling into the phone? You said we were going to Friendly's."

"It's okay, sweetie. Daddy has to teach the bad people."
Since he does voice to text  
GiantFilthy : 6/8/2016 3:32 pm : link
I'm not sure his family is allowed to speak.
RE: It seems to me that BBI  
PatersonPlank : 6/8/2016 3:39 pm : link
In comment 12986362 mrvax said:
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has a much lower % of God believers than the national average. Just saying....

BTW: I've always liked Michio Kaku because he can explain some complex things in a way that even I can understand it.


I Just think that the only people who reply are the anti-god faction. The rest of us know its a rathole to post on these threads.
The proper term for science is  
mavric : 6/8/2016 4:18 pm : link
"Natural Science" as it is the field of study in which experts try to understand the forces and mechanics behind "nature".

When scientists venture into the world of "forecasting" or "explaining things that were never witnessed or cannot possibly be replicated", it's no longer science but a sort of voodoo politics.

Best guess estimates are that the earth is roughly 4 1/2 billion years old. I find it amusing that science books show charts of periods that are roughly the same size and can be shown on a single page. But if time was proportioned in reality, a timeline would have to be approximately 10 miles long and the last 150 years (the age of enlightened science) would be represented by a "period" roughly .003" in diameter. And in that time represented by a period, men like to explain everything that happened in that 10 mile stretch based on a few old bone fragments and some geological anomalies. Not only that, the whole science of evolution is based on a foregone conclusion by manmade charts and all data is then force fit into the pre-conceived models...the exact opposite of how science is supposed to work.

Personally, I see intelligence and a guiding hand behind the marvel that is the human race and the nature all around us. Does that prove there is a God? To some yes, to others no. It's good enough for me. Every man has to make up their own minds and conclude the reason we exist and the purpose of our lives.

Science is a marvelous thing when used in the right way. When it is used to predict ancient past - it's literally no different than blind faith in a omnipotent power that guides us and the universe. There is no logical argument to justify your faith based purely in science. It's the age old question that every generation before us has tried to answer and every generation forthcoming, "what the hell are we and where did we come from?" The answer will not be found on a sports message board, LOL
Um...  
Chris in Philly : 6/8/2016 4:30 pm : link
Nope.
RE: The proper term for science is  
Heisenberg : 6/8/2016 4:30 pm : link
In comment 12986498 mavric said:
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"Natural Science" as it is the field of study in which experts try to understand the forces and mechanics behind "nature".

When scientists venture into the world of "forecasting" or "explaining things that were never witnessed or cannot possibly be replicated", it's no longer science but a sort of voodoo politics.

Best guess estimates are that the earth is roughly 4 1/2 billion years old. I find it amusing that science books show charts of periods that are roughly the same size and can be shown on a single page. But if time was proportioned in reality, a timeline would have to be approximately 10 miles long and the last 150 years (the age of enlightened science) would be represented by a "period" roughly .003" in diameter. And in that time represented by a period, men like to explain everything that happened in that 10 mile stretch based on a few old bone fragments and some geological anomalies. Not only that, the whole science of evolution is based on a foregone conclusion by manmade charts and all data is then force fit into the pre-conceived models...the exact opposite of how science is supposed to work.

Personally, I see intelligence and a guiding hand behind the marvel that is the human race and the nature all around us. Does that prove there is a God? To some yes, to others no. It's good enough for me. Every man has to make up their own minds and conclude the reason we exist and the purpose of our lives.

Science is a marvelous thing when used in the right way. When it is used to predict ancient past - it's literally no different than blind faith in a omnipotent power that guides us and the universe. There is no logical argument to justify your faith based purely in science. It's the age old question that every generation before us has tried to answer and every generation forthcoming, "what the hell are we and where did we come from?" The answer will not be found on a sports message board, LOL


Most of this is utter horseshit.
mavric :  
mrvax : 6/8/2016 4:45 pm : link
Fantastic post.
Some posts on BBI  
NoPeanutz : 6/8/2016 5:09 pm : link
are rock-solid proof that we're cousins with the monkeys.
Mavric  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/8/2016 5:18 pm : link
So analyzing fossils, growth rings, ice cores, etc, isn't real scientific research?
mrzax  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/8/2016 5:19 pm : link
Terrible post
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Shadow : 6/8/2016 5:22 pm : link
I can't recall a previous ost here on BBI  
Modus Operandi : 6/8/2016 5:38 pm : link
That was so long...and so wrong about everything put forth.

Science can't delve into history? So you don't believe genetics can trace back your ancestors, or predict illness? Weird.

You don't believe those heaps of bones we are finding everywhere are fossils of dinosaurs? What are they then?

You don't believe in the speed of light, blue shifts, etc that tells us the Universe is probably a lot older than the 3000 years your book tells you?
RE: I can't recall a previous ost here on BBI  
mrvax : 6/8/2016 5:42 pm : link
In comment 12986647 Modus Operandi said:
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You don't believe in the speed of light, blue shifts, etc that tells us the Universe is probably a lot older than the 3000 years your book tells you?


"Your book" doesn't contain a date for creation.
RE: mavric :  
BMac : 6/8/2016 5:53 pm : link
In comment 12986546 mrvax said:
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Fantastic post.


Yes, as in "Fantasy."
RE: RE: I can't recall a previous ost here on BBI  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/8/2016 6:15 pm : link
In comment 12986653 mrvax said:
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In comment 12986647 Modus Operandi said:


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You don't believe in the speed of light, blue shifts, etc that tells us the Universe is probably a lot older than the 3000 years your book tells you?



"Your book" doesn't contain a date for creation.


So you win by default?
There is no doubt that huge gaps remain...  
Milton : 6/8/2016 7:33 pm : link
...in our knowledge of the Universe. We can't even get the physics at the sub-atomic level match the physics of the visible Universe without adding another seven dimensions to the equation. And if the 11 dimensions of Ed Witten's M-Theory is the closest thing we've got to "theory of everything" than it just goes to show how far removed we are from truly understanding the Universe.

But the more we learn about the Universe, the more it becomes clear to me that the ultimate answer will not lie with some God-like creator and intelligent design. I think that instead the ultimate answer will somehow be related to our concept of time, which we grossly oversimplify. Time is what we think we understand, but we really don't.

In any case, here's a link to Stephen Hawking talking about Ed Witten's M-Theory....
And how it makes God unnecessary.... - ( New Window )
RE: RE: I can't recall a previous ost here on BBI  
Modus Operandi : 6/8/2016 9:56 pm : link
In comment 12986653 mrvax said:
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In comment 12986647 Modus Operandi said:


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You don't believe in the speed of light, blue shifts, etc that tells us the Universe is probably a lot older than the 3000 years your book tells you?



"Your book" doesn't contain a date for creation.


Pretty ckear you chose to sidestep the questions in order to engage in semantics.

It's okay. I'll let you off the hook.
Think about how much we have learned in the last 100 years  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/8/2016 10:11 pm : link
In about 30 years we moved from the first international passenger air service to having a man walk on the moon and return home. I think we're due for a new "discovery" and hope we make a leap forward in understanding the origin of the universe.
RE: Think about how much we have learned in the last 100 years  
ctc in ftmyers : 6/8/2016 10:21 pm : link
In comment 12986941 AP in Halfmoon said:
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In about 30 years we moved from the first international passenger air service to having a man walk on the moon and return home. I think we're due for a new "discovery" and hope we make a leap forward in understanding the origin of the universe.


Was there ever an origin and what makes you think so?

That just limits the realm of possibilities.

As Milton stated above, we are out to 7 dimensions now proving how little we know.
Who knows  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/8/2016 10:31 pm : link
We may discover the entire universe is like an atom in the finger nail of giant. He clips his nails about every billion earth years.
That explains  
ctc in ftmyers : 6/8/2016 11:01 pm : link
climate change.
RE: Renowned physicist only figured that out now?  
Mike in Marin : 6/9/2016 1:58 am : link
In comment 12985421 BlueLou said:
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As a teen I befriended a young man who had dropped out of seminary school. He had been taught by Jesuits. After a beer or three he posited a very strong argument that the proof of G-d's existence was the orange. Without G-d, how could an orange taste so good, and be good for you, too?

I remained convinced to this day.


That might be a decent argument if not for the millions of years of evolution and ten(s) of thousands of years of cultivation and hybridization by man. But it is a good example of the beauty and perfection in nature, that inspires many to find spirituality.
RE: That explains  
BMac : 6/9/2016 7:38 am : link
In comment 12987006 ctc in ftmyers said:
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climate change.


Or he/she/it may just be washing dishes?
It takes far more faith to believe  
Arnie D. : 6/9/2016 9:47 am : link
that the existence of the universe, the beginning of life on earth, the marvel of the human mind etc. etc. etc is all a complete accident than it does to believe there's an intelligent cause behind it all.

RE: It takes far more faith to believe  
BMac : 6/9/2016 9:50 am : link
In comment 12987228 Arnie D. said:
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that the existence of the universe, the beginning of life on earth, the marvel of the human mind etc. etc. etc is all a complete accident than it does to believe there's an intelligent cause behind it all.


Whoever said that it's a "complete accident?" Aside from you, of course.
RE: It takes far more faith to believe  
Heisenberg : 6/9/2016 9:54 am : link
In comment 12987228 Arnie D. said:
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that the existence of the universe, the beginning of life on earth, the marvel of the human mind etc. etc. etc is all a complete accident than it does to believe there's an intelligent cause behind it all.


You don't need faith when you rely on evidence.
Whether or not God pushed the button,  
Randy in CT : 6/9/2016 9:54 am : link
the evolution of life may or may not have happened naturally. Calling it an accident isn't how I would categorize it.

What is interesting with some of our space observation advances is that they are finding a shit-ton of planets in the goldilocks zone, which would be a similar comparison to our proximity to the sun. Earlier, many thought ours was a unique scenario.
RE: It takes far more faith to believe  
Big Al : 6/9/2016 9:57 am : link
In comment 12987228 Arnie D. said:
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that the existence of the universe, the beginning of life on earth, the marvel of the human mind etc. etc. etc is all a complete accident than it does to believe there's an intelligent cause behind it all.
It takes far more faith to believe that a two year old dying of cancer has an intelligent cause behind it than it being a random act of genetics. environment, etc.
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Kulish29 : 6/9/2016 10:06 am : link
In comment 12987259 Big Al said:
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In comment 12987228 Arnie D. said:


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that the existence of the universe, the beginning of life on earth, the marvel of the human mind etc. etc. etc is all a complete accident than it does to believe there's an intelligent cause behind it all.


It takes far more faith to believe that a two year old dying of cancer has an intelligent cause behind it than it being a random act of genetics. environment, etc.


Believing a two year was given cancer because some superior being has a better plan for them it isnt faith, it's idiocy.
"Why are we here?"  
Don Draper : 6/9/2016 10:21 am : link
I don't like the question, "Why are we here?" "Why" presupposes an intelligent purpose, an implication that we are here by design. I think we are here as a result of the quasi-intelligence of evolution (which I perceive as an incredibly elegant trial-and-error exercise), and our "purpose" is the same as any organism's: to survive and reproduce.

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To actually understand why we are here, and how the universe works and effects life itself.
I disagree that belief in intelligent design requires less faith  
Don Draper : 6/9/2016 10:29 am : link
This argument, to me, simply separates the "root cause" from the "effect" by one step: how was the intelligent designer created? By a different intelligent designer? Or must we simply have faith that the intelligent designer always has existed? How does this resolve anything, other than by throwing up one's hands and declaring that a god-like entity created all? I'd like to see some logical support for Arnie's argument.

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It takes far more faith to believe
Arnie D. : 9:47 am : link : reply
that the existence of the universe, the beginning of life on earth, the marvel of the human mind etc. etc. etc is all a complete accident than it does to believe there's an intelligent cause behind it all.
Heisenberg,  
Arnie D. : 6/9/2016 10:31 am : link
For you the evidence points to an accidental universe. For me the evidence points to a source. I've heard Hawkings state that the odds for the conditions being correct for our universe to exist are in the trillions to one. For example, if gravity was either stronger or weaker by a fraction, the universe couldn't exist. So then it follows that one must create a multi-verse theory with trillions of universes to produce the odds that even one universe can come into existence.
RE: Heisenberg,  
BMac : 6/9/2016 11:07 am : link
In comment 12987326 Arnie D. said:
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For you the evidence points to an accidental universe. For me the evidence points to a source. I've heard Hawkings state that the odds for the conditions being correct for our universe to exist are in the trillions to one. For example, if gravity was either stronger or weaker by a fraction, the universe couldn't exist. So then it follows that one must create a multi-verse theory with trillions of universes to produce the odds that even one universe can come into existence.


Under a condition of infinity, anything can happen, an infinite number of times. And please STOP placing the term "accidental" in other posters' mouths.
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