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| The theoretical physicist Michio Kaku claims to have developed a theory that might point to the existence of God. The information has created a great stir in the scientific community because Kaku is considered one of the most important scientists of our times, one of the creators and developers of the revolutionary String Theory which is highly respected throughout the world. To to come to his conclusions, the physicist made & #8203;& #8203;use of what he calls “primitive semi – radius tachyons “. Tachyons are theoretical particles capable to “unstick ” the Universe matter or vacuum space between matter particles, leaving everything free from the influences of the surrounding universe. After conducting the tests, Kaku came to the conclusion that we live in a “Matrix”. “I have concluded that we are in a world made by rules created by an intelligence”, he affirmed. “Believe me, everything that we call chance today won’t make sense anymore.” “To me it is clear that we exists in a plan which is governed by rules that were created, shaped by a universal intelligence and not by chance.” |
I remained convinced to this day.
Clearly, this man has never eaten Brussels Sprouts.
So children with cancer must mean God can't exist (or God is a total POS). And slugs, aphids, mosquitoes, Ebola, Zika virus, HIV, AIDS, rats, and, of course, the squirrels.
Pretty much David Hume's reply to the Deists.
In comment 12987259 Big Al said:
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that the existence of the universe, the beginning of life on earth, the marvel of the human mind etc. etc. etc is all a complete accident than it does to believe there's an intelligent cause behind it all.
It takes far more faith to believe that a two year old dying of cancer has an intelligent cause behind it than it being a random act of genetics. environment, etc.
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For you the evidence points to an accidental universe. For me the evidence points to a source. I've heard Hawkings state that the odds for the conditions being correct for our universe to exist are in the trillions to one. For example, if gravity was either stronger or weaker by a fraction, the universe couldn't exist. So then it follows that one must create a multi-verse theory with trillions of universes to produce the odds that even one universe can come into existence.
Under a condition of infinity, anything can happen, an infinite number of times. And please STOP placing the term "accidental" in other posters' mouths.
What BMac said. "accidental" is a straw man argument. The evidence doesn't point to a god in any way. If you think it does, it's just your faith and wish that it's grounded in truth that carries you there.
What caused the intelligence that created the universe to come into existence?
Mysterious ways.
What evidence do you have of god? I'm guessing you probably don't actually have any. More likely, you have just a feeling, based on odds you haven't actually calculated. That's a feeling lots of folks have and that's fine. But that's not evidence. If you have any I'd love to hear it.
And characterizing my position as "having evidence to the contrary" isn't correct either. It's not evidence that there isn't a god. It's acknowledging the complete absence of evidence that there is one.
If actual evidence came along that there was a god, it would be incredibly exciting. It would definitely make me question the way I look at the world. It hasn't happened yet and almost certainly (but not 100% certainly) never will.
But there is no reason why we should expect an explanation. We may want one, because the question is so profound, but there lots of things that happen for which we don't ask or expect explanations, and we are OK with it.
Why did the the dice just come up snake eyes?
As for evidence of God, I'm a former atheist who has had a personal experience that completely changed my mind. That's all I'll say about that over the net. And I certainly don't expect that to mean anything to anyone taking part in this discussion. But you asked.
Just because we don't have an answer to a question doesn't automatically relegate it to an act of God. We still haven't mastered the laws of physics, so how can we possibly pretend to extrapolate the existence of God/intelligent design from it. It's like telling someone x+y+z=56, now solve for x.
There is certainly a design to the universe, but all "evidence" indicates it is an unconscious design, not a conscious one. And the whole idea behind God is that he or she or it has some kind of consciousness.
As I said earlier, I think the missing piece to the puzzle centers around our limited understanding of how "time" works. It's hard for us to wrap our heads around the idea that there was a time when time did not exist. The idea that there was no such thing as "before" before the Big Bang is hard to comprehend.
Children of a stupid God - ( New Window )
True story (about the conversion, not the cure....)
Duh! A process, perhaps?
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If the conditions that enabled the universe to come into existence weren't purposely created, what other explanation could there be for those conditions to exit which enabled the universe to come into existence other than random or accidental conditions?
What caused the intelligence that created the universe to come into existence?
He evolved.
1 in a trillion is nothing when you consider there is no end to space
Not to mention that we haven't even addressed the issue of where did the material that created the universe even come from. As far as I know no human being has ever created material from nothing. And neither has the material universe. The material that created the Big Bang was smaller than the size of an atom - but where did that material come from?
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If the conditions that enabled the universe to come into existence weren't purposely created, what other explanation could there be for those conditions to exit which enabled the universe to come into existence other than random or accidental conditions?
What caused the intelligence that created the universe to come into existence?
He evolved.
1 in a trillion is nothing when you consider there is no end to space
Not to mention that we haven't even addressed the issue of where did the material that created the universe even come from. As far as I know no human being has ever created material from nothing. And neither has the material universe. The material that created the Big Bang was smaller than the size of an atom - but where did that material come from?
If God created everything, why did he have one planet in the solar system essentially inhabitable while the other ones (at least to our knowledge) aren't? What would the purpose be of multiple solar systems or galaxies comprised of mostly lifeless objects?
I just returned from the Big Island of Hawaii that has the presence of several volcanoes. Ancient culture didn't believe that eruptions were random events - they believed they were caused by angering Pele. So they made sacrifices to Pele - often in the form of humans. It didn't stop the eruptions, and several hundred years later, we understand the science behind the. Religion doesn't answer the why's behind volcanoes, earthquakes, famine, tsunamis, tornadoes, hurricanes, etc. the Bible tried - by calling it God's retribution. But modern science explains the why's of these events.
At some point in time, the Hawaiian Islands will sink back into the ocean. There is a scientific reason for it. Ancient folks would believe that is the work of God.
I can't prove or disprove if a God created the universe, but the number of people who are certain it was astonishes me. Not because of the faith aspect, but because it is a blind reasoning. Much like ancient folks who feared Pele, Zeus, Thor and others.
As for evidence of God, I'm a former atheist who has had a personal experience that completely changed my mind. That's all I'll say about that over the net. And I certainly don't expect that to mean anything to anyone taking part in this discussion. But you asked.
Ok, lets stipulate that those odds are right. And if He does, what are the odds that he's the christian god and not the islamic version or that He's not a he at all? Like all believers, I would guess you greatly overestimate the mathematical probability of God's existence.
You had a private and likely powerful personal experience. I can understand how that can change how you look at this subject. But that's not evidence. At least not the kind that can prove something to be true to anyone but you. If you're happy with your belief and aren't the kind of believer that mucks things up for the rest of us, then more power to you.
The only thing more annoying than people who try to push their religion on me are the atheists who insist the evidence is there that God does not exist.
There is plenty of evidence all around us. How it is defined is a personal question, and then you get into the interpretation of the evidence, which is even more personal.
Unless we're ready to get personally intimate (wink, wink) please don't insist that your evidence is better than mine.
This is what we call respecting the opinions of others, something clearly lost on a lot of people today. For a long time religious types persecuted atheists. It seems to me the pendulum has swung and now persecution seems to go both ways.
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why the need for proof when it is faith-based?
Because the vast number of permutations possible regarding Faith, it makes the discussion nearly useless. As mentioned above, let's say a God created everything. Whose God? If there are other solar systems, is that a different God? Are there multiple Gods?
I know this would be highly offensive to religious people, but saying you believe that God created everything ranges from being an innocently naive statement to being downright moronic when aggressively pursued by those who have no wiggle room in their beliefs.
Using the concept of Faith is just another way of saying if you can't prove something, or you can't explain it, it has to be divine intervention. Really no difference between that and people who thought Thor brought thunder or that Zeus threw lightning. And the kicker is that most people who refernce Faith scoff at those who worshipped the ancient Gods.
The only thing more annoying than people who try to push their religion on me are the atheists who insist the evidence is there that God does not exist.
There is plenty of evidence all around us. How it is defined is a personal question, and then you get into the interpretation of the evidence, which is even more personal.
Unless we're ready to get personally intimate (wink, wink) please don't insist that your evidence is better than mine.
This is what we call respecting the opinions of others, something clearly lost on a lot of people today. For a long time religious types persecuted atheists. It seems to me the pendulum has swung and now persecution seems to go both ways.
Alternatively, all you have to do is look to Ed Witten's M-Theory, which is the only current theory that successfully marries quantum mechanics with general relativity. Of course, it requires that we live in 11-dimensional space in which we are only able to comprehend four of the dimensions. So just maybe there is something in those other seven dimensions which reduce your trillion to one odds down to a slam dunk.
It may turn out that M-Theory is wrong, but at least it is based on mathematics and not just wishful thinking.
Absolutely, and it goes back a long time that way.
Yet recently one can easily find lots of people who take a certain pleasure in belittling those who've chosen to believe in God. It's a shame and evidence that too many people consider their knowledge superior, not just those who blindly exercise faith.
Nope - didn't mean to imply that.
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In comment 12985421 BlueLou said:
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As a teen I befriended a young man who had dropped out of seminary school. He had been taught by Jesuits. After a beer or three he posited a very strong argument that the proof of G-d's existence was the orange. Without G-d, how could an orange taste so good, and be good for you, too?
I remained convinced to this day.
Clearly, this man has never eaten Brussels Sprouts.
or smoked poison ivy. god's little green leaves.
I'm open to there being some sort of Divine creation. For all of the questions I raised above, there are an equal amount that would ask how things were created in the first place. I do not believe in a divine being controlling the entire scope of life, and that's also a topic most people don't separate. They believe in divine creation and divine intervention.
My biggest gripe is that uttering Faith, by definition, absolves the need to be objective. It clings to a theory to explain all the unexplained. And that's a problem. It is a black/white discussion and unless I'm dealing with math, I've found black/white discussions are rarely useful or productive.
So I get back to work and I'm telling people about this and a few people said "That's amazing!" while I had two people say in so many words that God works in mysterious ways and allows life to blossom.
Sorry - but that's bullshit. It isn't all that mysterious once there is an understanding of how it happens. On the surface, it seems impossible, but once you literally look below, there is a very complete answer.
But I also know a fair number of people who once were very religious and now believe the opposite. We unfortunately know two families who have lost children to cancer. They became so disappointed at the number of people who told them it was their child's "time" or that God had a "plan" that they simply don't believe anymore. I even know a Cancer survivor whose own recovery made her believe there isn't a God because of the randomness in which the disease was killing people who were undergoing treatment the same time as her. She couldn't possibly reason that God would allow her to live while stronger people succumbed to the disease or that children with such a positive attitude will taken.
I wouldn't try to minimize your experience or what has shaped your views, but the personal take goes both ways.