Rueben Randle: “I Was Just Judged Wrong” With The NY Giants

he wasn't that talented.

No YAC skills at all, not physical, ok deep speed, the whole football IQ thing.

There's a reason he got paid so little.

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the game or he never displayed a passion for it. I believe that was often exhibited in his unwillingness to fight for footballs in the air, as some have already mentioned.

Guys can change...even those with this kind of demeanour but, at some point, you have to display a passion for playing the game. To me, Randle is a guy who is extremely talented and knows he can probably find a spot somewhere in the NFL because of that. Still, I feel he just doesn't like the game and has always looked like he would rather be someplace else.

under his ass when he got here, college connection and all, he's not gonna turn on some magic switch now.

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Too bad - had EVERY opportunity to succeed here too

This is what pisses me off most about Randle. He had teh chances to succeed. He was still put in there while he was hurt. He had chance after chance to produce, with eli going his way quite a bit in crucial situations, and he didn't step up like he should have.

Just judging on what he did on the field was enough for a team to release him. and the intangible stuff and it cemented it.

I'm glad to hear him say he'll use this as a learning exercise, but saying he was judged wrong is just BS.

I don't think he's all that talented either. His greatest asset isn't even a 'talent' as much as it's a 'characteristic' and that's his size. He has just 'ok' hands... route-running is probably slightly below-average... leaping skills, slightly above average (maybe)... he's not even all that great when it comes to blocking.

I just don't think he's all that great of a player talent-wise and if you add on his lack of passion for the game... you have Rueben Randle.

we judged you correctly, the operative word is 'miscommunication' Rueben. Iggles fans will find out this season, and they can be louder too.

In comment 12986107 T-Bone said:

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I don't think he's all that talented either. His greatest asset isn't even a 'talent' as much as it's a 'characteristic' and that's his size. He has just 'ok' hands... route-running is probably slightly below-average... leaping skills, slightly above average (maybe)... he's not even all that great when it comes to blocking. I just don't think he's all that great of a player talent-wise and if you add on his lack of passion for the game... you have Rueben Randle.

You can also add, he gets no separation.

Did not have a bad career with the Giants by any stretch.

Actually the opposite.

If you remove his rookie year where he was literally the 5th option in the passing game behind Nicks, Cruz, Hixon and Marty Bennett his 3 year Giant career state line is:

169 Catches for 2346 yards and 17tds.

Averaged out that is 58 catches, 782 yards and about 6 tds per year, all as a #2 WR.

He wasn't terrible here, but the frustration came from the fact that the guy had all world talent but a 10 cent brain and attitude.

All in all though, for the last pick in the 2nd round, 63 overall- the Giants got pretty good use out of him on a rookie deal and then parted ways. That is good business actually.

I think the Giants got the appropriate value from him. Being forced into the #1 or #2 role at times was what boosted Randle's stats, and the Giants were smart enough to see that his production, while average to above average was also offset by a lot of mistakes.

If he believes that, he now has his chance to prove it. But I would say this team is not known for giving up on players without good reason.

because of some garbage time games in 2012, 2014 where he put the stats up. This is true of any starter wr just about--over 50 games, there are 3 or 4 big ones.


T-Bone, Osi totally right. He is mediocre. Maybe average. And arthritic. Why anyone gets mad at him is the surprising thing? Frustrating? Not really, he's a 3rd or 4th wr, he is what he is.

He was judged by the Giants to be worthy of a draft pick. Was judged the next few seasons to be starting caliber starter worthy and played almost every game.

Best thing about him, or worst depending on how you look at it, was that he was one of the few Giants who actually dressed and played every week.

Randle is not good. That was proven this off season when the Giants let him walk and the rest of the league was indifferent.

Hosley and Robinson.

he had a lot of ability but no real drive/desire to excel. No real love of football.

In comment 12986179 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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Did not have a bad career with the Giants by any stretch. Actually the opposite. If you remove his rookie year where he was literally the 5th option in the passing game behind Nicks, Cruz, Hixon and Marty Bennett his 3 year Giant career state line is: 169 Catches for 2346 yards and 17tds. Averaged out that is 58 catches, 782 yards and about 6 tds per year, all as a #2 WR. He wasn't terrible here, but the frustration came from the fact that the guy had all world talent but a 10 cent brain and attitude. All in all though, for the last pick in the 2nd round, 63 overall- the Giants got pretty good use out of him on a rookie deal and then parted ways. That is good business actually.

Yeah, but how many turnovers were because of him. How many stopped drives. Hard to measure.

He is nothing special, and its sad because he was a high draft pick. Most FA WR's could do what he does.

In comment 12985793 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 12985750 RobCarpenter said: Quote: He was judged correctly by all the other teams in the draft except the NY Giants. Eh. Tremendous amount of revisionist history here. The pick was universally well thought of. Really need to get away from the habit of loving the picks on draft day, and if they fail, saying everybody knew not to pick that guy.

My point is that the other teams' GMs were smarter about him than the Giants' FO.

Eagles think more of him than the team that drafted him. Giants needed more from Randle and it didn't happen so that is the end of it.

Will be judged on his performance from this point on only he will tell the true story. He has been a terrible WR by most of BBI and fans but if the numbers were not great they were glimpses of what could or might be. Not sure what his future numbers will be but for sure he needed to leave this team for the good of both sides.

In comment 12986040 MOOPS said:

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under his ass when he got here, college connection and all, he's not gonna turn on some magic switch now.

I think you nailed it moops. I don't see how his new position coach can change him if playing with OBJ didn't.

Osi I disagree with your point about untalented. He isn't an athletic freak, but neither was Jerry Rice except maybe for his hands and hand eye coordination. What separates them is heart, desire, love of the game, moreso than "talent."

Is the most annoying personaltiy trait a person can have for me

In comment 12986662 LauderdaleMatty said:

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Is the most annoying personaltiy trait a person can have for me

I'd think that someone who only cares about himself/herself is the most annoying personality trait to me. Not that this is RR...

and Dabble will be better

In comment 12986531 RobCarpenter said:

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In comment 12985793 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 12985750 RobCarpenter said: Quote: He was judged correctly by all the other teams in the draft except the NY Giants. Eh. Tremendous amount of revisionist history here. The pick was universally well thought of. Really need to get away from the habit of loving the picks on draft day, and if they fail, saying everybody knew not to pick that guy. My point is that the other teams' GMs were smarter about him than the Giants' FO.

I understand your point. I'm saying you're wrong.

Stephen Hill
AJ Jenkins
Ryan Broyles
Justin Blackmon
Kendall Wright


5 wide receivers taken before Reuben Randle in his draft year.

4 of them are out of the league because they are completely inept.

...what a crock. The Giants are as patient a franchise as there is in pro sports. Randle didn't put in the work necessary to hone his craft and elevate his compete level.

If he had he'd still be a Giant.

Good riddance.

60 catches 800 yards and nearly 7 td's over the last 3 years. That's not nothing and light years better than Jernigan who GM Jr thought should be playing. Let's see how this plays out.

..who signed for a one year $1 million dollar contract.

That says it all.

In comment 12985730 jcn56 said:

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This is straight out of the bad employee handbook, you get someone that you have to give a bad performance review and it turns into 'they just don't get me' and 'they have it out for me'. How about you do your fucking job?

Lest we forget, he's a millennial.

In comment 12986748 santacruzom said:

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Lest we forget, he's a millennial.

LOL

Clueless.

...I'll say it again.

Some of his real bad chicken-shit play was on film and everyone on the team saw it.

And what did they see?

A player who constantly made business decisions rather than taking a hit and making a play.

Good luck with that Philly!

You can't win with a guy like this.

Just ask Eli.

And everyone else who had to watch his miserable tape.

Jerry Rice was a really good athlete. This myth that he was just a hard worker is just that. His change of direction and acceleration were both A+, Randle is lacking in both areas to say the least.

It was brutal watching them throw that screen pass to him, only to watch him make nobody miss and get tackled for a shit gain.

In comment 12986684 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 12986531 RobCarpenter said: Quote: In comment 12985793 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 12985750 RobCarpenter said: Quote: He was judged correctly by all the other teams in the draft except the NY Giants. Eh. Tremendous amount of revisionist history here. The pick was universally well thought of. Really need to get away from the habit of loving the picks on draft day, and if they fail, saying everybody knew not to pick that guy. My point is that the other teams' GMs were smarter about him than the Giants' FO. I understand your point. I'm saying you're wrong. Stephen Hill - inept, but not out of the league, signed to a 1 yr deal with Carolina in March. AJ Jenkins - probably done, true bust Ryan Broyles - talented receiver with repeated injuries, unclear if career is over, is a free agent. Justin Blackmon - phenomenal player with substance abuse problems, banned, otherwise would be the team's #1 receiver. Kendall Wright - good, productive receiver. 5 wide receivers taken before Reuben Randle in his draft year. 4 of them are out of the league because they are completely inept.

Not saying your greater point is wrong, but 4 of them are not "out of the league," as you claimed.

He was late to meetings, he was benched, and he didn't put forth the EFFORT to get better. Thats all on him. If the Giants were judging him on his demeanor, then its his own fault. Can't be blaming others for your own ineptness.

to say he was a bust is a little strong. He didnt live up to potential, but he wasnt a complete failure. I'm sure the Giants didnt offer him anything on account of his attitude, whether perceived or actual, and his screw ups on the field. He could get his head together and be a pretty good receiver, but I hope he does not as long as he is an Eagle.

Round 1: Blackman, Floyd, Weight, Jenkins
2: Quick, Hill, Jeffries, Bottles, Randle
3: Posey, Graham, Sanu, Hilton

I liked Sanu and Marvin Jones out of Cal who went in the 5th.

A lot of BBIers liked combine wonder kind Stephen Hill - huge bust.

In comment 12986841 allstarjim said:

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In comment 12986684 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 12986531 RobCarpenter said: Quote: In comment 12985793 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 12985750 RobCarpenter said: Quote: He was judged correctly by all the other teams in the draft except the NY Giants. Eh. Tremendous amount of revisionist history here. The pick was universally well thought of. Really need to get away from the habit of loving the picks on draft day, and if they fail, saying everybody knew not to pick that guy. My point is that the other teams' GMs were smarter about him than the Giants' FO. I understand your point. I'm saying you're wrong. Stephen Hill - inept, but not out of the league, signed to a 1 yr deal with Carolina in March. AJ Jenkins - probably done, true bust Ryan Broyles - talented receiver with repeated injuries, unclear if career is over, is a free agent. Justin Blackmon - phenomenal player with substance abuse problems, banned, otherwise would be the team's #1 receiver. Kendall Wright - good, productive receiver. 5 wide receivers taken before Reuben Randle in his draft year. 4 of them are out of the league because they are completely inept. Not saying your greater point is wrong, but 4 of them are not "out of the league," as you claimed.

The sum of Broyles' NFL career is 32 receptions for 2 touchdowns and he asked to be release from his team. I guess we could argue his talent level, but he didn't make a case for himself at this level.

that Randle wasn't a productive player here or that Reese made a mistake with him when you see the other crap coming from that draft reeks of an agenda.

Randle is not a #1 WR. He is a borderline #2 WR. He will make plays. He will also fail to make plays and his effort level will cause turnovers and other problems. That's why he's no longer here. But to act like the guy is dogshit or to split hairs whether or not Stephen Hill is out of the league or not to try and make it seem like Reese swung and missed is a pretty idiotic argument.

In comment 12987148 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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that Randle wasn't a productive player here or that Reese made a mistake with him when you see the other crap coming from that draft reeks of an agenda. Randle is not a #1 WR. He is a borderline #2 WR. He will make plays. He will also fail to make plays and his effort level will cause turnovers and other problems. That's why he's no longer here. But to act like the guy is dogshit or to split hairs whether or not Stephen Hill is out of the league or not to try and make it seem like Reese swung and missed is a pretty idiotic argument.

Totally agree here. In fact, some thought he's go in the first round and when we snagged him with the last pick in round 2, there were tons of celebratory woot, woots..

In comment 12987152 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 12987148 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: that Randle wasn't a productive player here or that Reese made a mistake with him when you see the other crap coming from that draft reeks of an agenda. Randle is not a #1 WR. He is a borderline #2 WR. He will make plays. He will also fail to make plays and his effort level will cause turnovers and other problems. That's why he's no longer here. But to act like the guy is dogshit or to split hairs whether or not Stephen Hill is out of the league or not to try and make it seem like Reese swung and missed is a pretty idiotic argument. Totally agree here. In fact, some thought he's go in the first round and when we snagged him with the last pick in round 2, there were tons of celebratory woot, woots..

I also agree with this - and really don't get the bile over Randle

without trying all that hard, but that laid back approach doesn't work against most pro cornerbacks. Whether it was lack of effort, lack of knowledge, or lack of ability, I can't say. I can only say that he had trouble getting separation, he rarely fought for the ball, and his YAC the catch were mediocre. I doubt that he will suddenly succeed in Philly.

He was no big wasted pick the guy is just average and lacks any real upside and his attitude is not appreciated hence he was dropped.

So much strange sentiment here:

People think he's got pro bowl skills and a 10 cent brain--he's very average and has no great physical skill. The 10 cent brain is probably much more like your run of the mill player too.

He was a bust-very decent production and outright very productive compared to other players in the ny giant draft classes of 09-12.

The other camp says he sucks-no, he's a decent nfl player but really not what ny giants want in a starter and the lack of caring made it easy.

The fact he started so much when really a number 3 receiver is on Reese for not having a plan for victor Cruz not returning in 15. Randle would have looked much better in a third option role.

In comment 12990171 hassan said:

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He was no big wasted pick the guy is just average and lacks any real upside and his attitude is not appreciated hence he was dropped. So much strange sentiment here: People think he's got pro bowl skills and a 10 cent brain--he's very average and has no great physical skill. The 10 cent brain is probably much more like your run of the mill player too. He was a bust-very decent production and outright very productive compared to other players in the ny giant draft classes of 09-12. The other camp says he sucks-no, he's a decent nfl player but really not what ny giants want in a starter and the lack of caring made it easy. The fact he started so much when really a number 3 receiver is on Reese for not having a plan for victor Cruz not returning in 15. Randle would have looked much better in a third option role.

How is it on Reese when he brought in James Jones? Coughlin let him know he wasn't getting snaps, and granted him his release. It also took a little bit for Dwayne Harris to get snaps at WR. I wish it didn't have to require Cruz being unavailable, and Randle's tendinitis to get really bad for us to give Harris a look at WR.

Randle has his warts, but he's not nearly as bad as many on this board would lead you to believe. IMO, RR is basically a 3rd rounder. Guys picked there are going to be very imperfect players, there's a reason why they're available.

Not a good player and a loser like mentality to top it off. Terrible pick. "NFL Ready" in year 1 my ass.

In practice. Theres a reason why they're where they on the depth chart.

Jernigan and Barden were horrible picks not Randle.

I mostly agree with your post, but without looking at the options Reese had I believe he should have taken a better flyer at receiver. James Jones was not a significant improvement. He played about the same as Randle last year.

The jets did get Brandon Marshall for a song.....

lost for quarters on end. Needed to find the ball more, particularly in the air.

The #2 WR in this offense, opposite OBJ, should be a just short of star in this league. Randle was never going to be that guy so the Giants looked to trade up with its other options.

Oh, and of course, we all judged him wrong too because it was so hard to see that week to week...

No one should dispute that. And he has talent.

What drove me insane about him was the mental aspect of the game, or lack thereof when it comes to him.