McAdoo? Confident, skeptical, or let's wait and see

Confident. In my head, let's wait and see...

he's first time head coach. what else is there to do?

if I don't want to wait and see?

That said i'm excited for him, no reason not to be.

I'm more interested in what we see at Jerruh's place on 9/11.

But I am starting to like how this team is looking.

In comment 12986154 Victor in CT said:

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he's first time head coach. what else is there to do?

Same reaction I had. Until he's actually coached a few games, what would any opinion be based on?

The question is will the talent be there. Will there be critical injuries? The coach is the least of my worries.

hes smart, has good work ethic, and is tough, can handle good and bad times. Think hell be great, but time will tell.

and he's a candidate for coach of the year. That's right folks, you heard it here first.

He's done a good job as OC, enough to believe he's ready for a promotion. He hasn't coached at the highest level though, so it's just optimism.

Starting a first time HC gig with a two-time SB MVP and champion in tow, mitigates lots of hiccups, imo

In comment 12986178 AP in Halfmoon said:

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The question is will the talent be there. Will there be critical injuries? The coach is the least of my worries.

based on what? he hasn't coached yet. there a plenty of examples of guys who were great coordinators with MUCH better track records and more achievment than McAdoo who failed miserably as Head Coaches.

Remember Bill Arnsparger anyone? How about Dave Wannstedt, Bruce Coslet, Todd Haley, Romeo Crennel, Charlie Weis, Ken Whisenhunt, Rich Petitbon, Joe Bugel?

I think he has made a lot of good changes.

We'll see how it all works out.

Despite his horrid fashion sense, he does command the room when he speaks and he says precisely as much as he wants to and nothing more. That's a sign of preparation, as is his confidence.

but let's wait and see.

I didn't particularly care for the puzzled look he often wore while standing on the sideline last year. But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point and believe that perhaps he was just standing in the shadow of Ol' Tom.

haven't seen/heard a thing yet to make me feel otherwise. It is the part of being a fan that is fun. Trying not to sweat the unknown.

He finds a balance of what he saw with Coughlin the past two years and all out arena football with our WR's.

It would be refreshing to see the Giants open a series with a pass however.

And yes, while he was the former O Cord, the stubbornness of running the ball 75 % on first down along with other conservative meh is directly linked to Coughlin, IMO.

Heck, we may even see a fake punt, flea flicker or gosh knows what in 2016.

answers all questions...

have shown that he can formulate and work to a plan, get the players to share his vision, support them to achieve higher levels of performance, and execute the plans laid in the real world. He has had increasing levels of responsibility. The offseason work this year appears to have been the best for some time, presumably he has had significant input, and should share some credit in that regard. There is every reason to be optimistic and confident.

He's shown a sharp offensive mind, and he's gotten much better at responding to defensive changes during his time as OC. It will depend largely on how he can command a room, and how quickly he can make adjustments in game.

As well as envious as fudge that someone only two years older than I am is coaching the New York Giants.

In comment 12986277 Doomster said:

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answers all questions...

C'mon, that's silly and you know that

Anything else is coming from emotion. The guy has never been a HC at any level. There is no way to predict how this is going to turn out.

depending up players with "high potential" guys and not getting football players. I think that they changed their approach in 2013 or so but it meant clearing of the dead wood and enduring a few years of bad football while they did it. That process is taking hold and I think Coughlin was ticked off because he knows that this roster and the changes that are being made, will be winning soon and him getting fired meant that he wouldn't be part of the return to winning.

McAdoo will be a winner because of the changes being made. And I think Tom Coughlin would have done just as good.

He seems to be very smart and articulate, and very even keeled).

My impression is that he is going to be much less conservative than the old regime (and I am a Coughlin fan).

If we stay healthy, with the added talent, we should be much better this year than last.

The bottom line is that I like McAdoo, but I think the added talent and health is the bigger reason for optimism going into this year.

Change things up. Moving around schedules to make sure days aren't repetitive.

Loosening up practices with music. Yet by all accounts he is keeping the team held accountable on-top of that. At least so-far.

Under TC we almost always played tight because the mentality was more of a play not to lose and not going for the jugular. We were more afraid to lose a lead then to pad it.

I am hoping that this translates to playing games to win and playing to put teams away.

Mac seems more personable which should help him with the milenials.

will do just fine. He had 2 years under a HOF coach. He combined that knowledge with what he's learned in Green Bay. Pretty well rounded education.

In comment 12986406 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
[quote] Change things up. Moving around schedules to make sure days aren't repetitive.

Loosening up practices with music. Yet by all accounts he is keeping the team held accountable on-top of that. At least so-far.

Under TC we almost always played tight because the mentality was more of a play not to lose and not going for the jugular. We were more afraid to lose a lead then to pad it.

Spot on. like throwing slant passes at the goal line that get returned for TDs. And 50 yard passes from your own 2 yd line in the Super Bowl. Coming out THROWING in ice bowl conditions in the NFC title game at GB. And the Hail Mary instead of a FG in the second GB title game.

Another fool.

at a Press Conference looks like.

very much like what I see... I never liked how Coughlin would sometimes completely loose his temper. Everybody likes consistency from their boss. McAdoo seems more level headed and should relate better to the players, but he still seems to be able to get after guys when it is called for. Very much like the coaching shakeup with the assistants. I'm excited.

Instigated by the link here to the last 41 seconds of the first half. Eli was smoking hot that game... But in fact what I saw wasn't the blow out I remembered, but a much closer game despite the final score. Aside from Bill Levy (that ref had to have been on the take) keeping the only two GB TD drives alive with two horrible calls, what struck me this time was our really awful play calling on offense. Green Bay's Achilles heel that season was awful pass defense, and rather than riding Eli's hot hand that day TC (or was it Gilbride?) persistently ran the ball with Jacobs who was flatter than a punctured bicycle tire almost all game. What was even worse than Jacobs' sluggish running was the way Green Bay's defense was overwhelming all over our running game and seemed to have a pair of headphones in our offensive huddle on many of the running plays called...

Eli would come to the LOS with a run play called, and looking over the D alugnment adjust his call to which side of the field to run towards. Then just before the snap when the time clock was running out, you could see the Green Bay D KNEW EXACTLY where the run play was headed and overloaded that side so that we had whatever 3-4 guys trying to block at the POA vs 6 defenders or more.

Something really was horribly wrong with our offensive system of checks, reads, and reactions that was making our running game horribly predictable to GB's defensive players...

When Mara announced 2 years later that our "offense was broken" he was in truth maybe 2 years late, IMO.

I have been a big TC supporter over the years, but on re-watching that game I realized the team desperately needed 1) a new offensive system and 2) to not be so G-d damned stubborn about running the ball in certain down and distance situations.

I think and hope Mac will bring more flexibility to the play calling and change the "see how they line up and adjust the play to attack their weakness in alignment" because frankly that shit was stale and predictable. At least that's how that game looked to me upon re-watching this last time. Frankly I was surprised...

BTW if you look at IIRC the 3 biggest running plays for the Giants that game - AB's run before the half, another run by Bradshaw later, and Jacobs' 15 or so yard scamper for the icing TD, they were all huge cutback runs to the opposite side of the field from where the run was designed to go. The reason those plays worked for big gains was because finally Bradshaw just figured it out! When a run off tackle left was called, almost the entire GB defensive unit was headed there to stop it! So he took only a step or two towards the designated POA and then sharply cut back to the opposite side field where he had almost no one to beat to get to the edge...

And Jacobs, having seen AB pull that off twice with great success, did the exact same thing on his TD run. started left where the play was designed to go and then broke it back sharply right into open air.

A counter/misdirection Lou lol.

Fassel was Coach of the Year his first year

will be test for Mac and Spags. For Mac I want to
see better running plays and more screens and less
bad decisions like TC.
For Spaggs, I know we had injuries, ect.. but teams
marched down field on us all year. He wasn't good at Rams
or Saints either. If D sucks it will be his fault.
Same w Mac. We are loaded with talent.

In comment 12986633 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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A counter/misdirection Lou lol.

No. In a classic counter run play you'd pull a guard, TE, or H-back to get a least one lead blocker out in front of the RB. (At least in our HS playbook we ran counters with pulling guards leading. These were clearly improvisational runs which worked mainly because the entire D knew which way the play was supposed to head.

Rewatch it yourself then tell me what you think...

In comment 12986656 eliapple said:

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will be test for Mac and Spags. For Mac I want to see better running plays and more screens and less bad decisions like TC. For Spaggs, I know we had injuries, ect.. but teams marched down field on us all year. He wasn't good at Rams or Saints either. If D sucks it will be his fault. Same w Mac. We are loaded with talent.

Loaded? It's promising but not loaded at all. They have one legitimate threat at WR/TE and weaknesses at RG/RT at the moment. LB is an issue but will be hidden by Snacks.

As for Saints and Rams defenses, they did not have talent to make high impact defenses. This is his first true test as a Giants coordinator. He has some talent here, we'll see what happens.

In comment 12986656 eliapple said:

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will be test for Mac and Spags. For Mac I want to see better running plays and more screens and less bad decisions like TC. For Spaggs, I know we had injuries, ect.. but teams marched down field on us all year. He wasn't good at Rams or Saints either. If D sucks it will be his fault. Same w Mac. We are loaded with talent.

Sorry but that's a very stupid post. Better running plays? Loaded with talent?

He passed during the SB run

3-12-1 first year...

C

What the hell?

press conference with that suit. (Only kidding)

That comes with youth. Even from afar you can sense there is a new energy in the building. Coughlin is a Gianfs legend equal to Parcells, but i voices grow stale, programs get stale, a sometimes change is necessary.

Would need to go a long way to equal what Coach Coughlin did. But right now seems like the man for the job. I'm very optimistic and excited.

It's not like the man is a newbie. Eli had his best stat year ever. I expect he'll have better clock management (he can't help it)and won't force shit that ain't working for the sake of "balance".

In comment 12986215 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 12986178 AP in Halfmoon said: Quote: The question is will the talent be there. Will there be critical injuries? The coach is the least of my worries. based on what? he hasn't coached yet. there a plenty of examples of guys who were great coordinators with MUCH better track records and more achievment than McAdoo who failed miserably as Head Coaches. Remember Bill Arnsparger anyone? How about Dave Wannstedt, Bruce Coslet, Todd Haley, Romeo Crennel, Charlie Weis, Ken Whisenhunt, Rich Petitbon, Joe Bugel?

This. It's a whole new ballgame.

In comment 12986734 OC2.0 said:

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It's not like the man is a newbie. Eli had his best stat year ever. I expect he'll have better clock management (he can't help it)and won't force shit that ain't working for the sake of "balance".

He's a newbie. He has never been head coach of a high school team. The expectations for this rookie are off the charts.

As the HC of the team, if he is not confident he is not fit to be the HC. Top people in any organization have to be able to show that

We have 4 good TE's. If Lewis stays healthy
he may be rookie of year. Sterling will be
great. Dabble and Poe are real good. Davis
and Harris very good. 4 good running backs.
We should score 40 per game if play calling is good.

Haven't heard anything negative from players or anything unusual about him, so I think he has the temperament to let the players play. Haven't heard anything about him being a great motivator either, but the best leadership comes from within the locker room. Hopefully that develops. I like him as a not totally players coach. Keep the offense scoring points and let Spags develop the defense. Very confident they got a couple guys who won't be the biggest attitude in the room. Just gotta see who takes that role. Need player leaders.

however I have current concerns about his ability to manage games and make quick decisions, challenges, etc in the heat of a game. He's never been a head coach before, at any level and so this might be a challenge for him initially. I'm sure the team will be prepared for action come game day, and I'm confident in that, but I'm just not confident in his ability to manage a game yet. Hopefully pre-season will help him. He needs experience, but hopefully he doesn't go through massive growing pains.

As an assistant on the sidelines he was involved in those decisions and I'm sure he was always thinking what to do in a given situation. They'll also prepare for given situations. I'm not worried about that

In comment 12986754 HomerJones45 said:

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In comment 12986215 Victor in CT said: Quote: In comment 12986178 AP in Halfmoon said: Quote: The question is will the talent be there. Will there be critical injuries? The coach is the least of my worries. based on what? he hasn't coached yet. there a plenty of examples of guys who were great coordinators with MUCH better track records and more achievment than McAdoo who failed miserably as Head Coaches. Remember Bill Arnsparger anyone? How about Dave Wannstedt, Bruce Coslet, Todd Haley, Romeo Crennel, Charlie Weis, Ken Whisenhunt, Rich Petitbon, Joe Bugel? This. It's a whole new ballgame.

Yup. If anyone can't read the list above and think that "wait and see" is the only reasonable answer, then there isn't much else to discuss.

Were unsuccessful due to things beyond their control. Many quality coaches were in bad situations. I think McAdoo is in a great situation

But you can insulate a HC if the Qb and overall talent is good enough. Hopefully if mcadoo needs time to season he won't be exposed early on.

In comment 12986321 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 12986277 Doomster said: Quote: answers all questions... C'mon, that's silly and you know that

If they dallas game McAdoo should be fired!!!!!

He Tutored under a arguably HOF Coach TC was very good for the most part with challenge flags .Also knowing the division foes there tendencies the in game chess match.
The in game management in key situations clock management
things that come to play when game is on the line .
There will be a learning curve and can't expect perfection.

i very much doubt we are seen as having a particularly good coaching staff around the league. mcadoo is unproven but it was a good sign the eagles were at least ready to hire him, too. aside from that, who do we really have that anyone gives a sh#t about? i love spags but he was on the scrap heap when we gave him his job back. solari is good but was our 2nd choice behind philbin who chose to join pagano's staff. sullivan at OC??

We'll see, but compared to the top coaching staffs around the league I don't see how we can objectively look strong in comparison.