spent eight weeks training earlier this year in Arizona (along with Giants center Weston Richburg) at LeCharles Bentley's O-Line Performance. It was there Jerry experienced what he called a "career-changing" experience fixing flaws and improving his game.
"Best decision I ever made since I've been playing in the NFL," Jerry said. "I spent two months not just working out. I spent two months getting in a three-point stance and doing drills and doing technique things. That is something you rarely do in the offseason anywhere else that I've worked out.
"The past couple years it's mostly lifting and conditioning, not getting in stances and working on pass sets and run blocking and not giving away things whether you're on the front or back side of plays."
John Jerry worked his butt off on his own time/money to be the best he possibly could.
Being the best he possibly could is still a below average starter. For his career.
As said above Bentley is well reapected and doesn't tolerate anything but one's best efforts..If for the FIRST TIME EVER in the off-season Jerry has worked really hard on techniques, etc., I eager to see how that translates to the field..
I'm encouraged. But let's see
I read this and the info that OBJ worked out with Gino, etc. etc.
and realize that these players...the ones who really care to either improve or continue to excel...figure that the CBA is not their friend with all this non-contact, no pad, BS!
It sounds likes Jerry had a career-changing experience because Bentley worked them like dogs........
You don't get to be the best lollygagging on the sidelines or on the bikes.....
Think back to Shaun O'Hara's career and how he went from average at best middling player on Cleveland to pretty good player here to very good player over his final 3-4 seasons in NY.
Some guys do improve well after the typical timeline. Ohara was one of them. I remember Ohara going on and on about how much better he would be due to recognizing and addressing his sleep apnea condition, sometime around 2006. And sure enough he was right.
With the new CBA, practice time is cut down. I thought for players on the fringe, the team might 'strongly encourage' them to get in extra work over the summer, if not with the team in an official capacity then with a recommended trusted partner.
Seems like a pretty easy way to get around the 'voluntary' aspect of the offseason/OTAs.
Nice to see Jerry committed to his craft and very encouraging to read that Richberg vouched for him and that they worked together. Maybe the O line will really come together this season.
Or feet. It's lazy technique. He's had five years benefit of professional coaching to work on his technique and he still can't sustain a block in the running game. His shortcomings now were the same concerns when he was first drafted and throughout his stint in MIA.
He spent a little extra time to work on his craft. Big deal. Each one of us does that every single day and we don't have millions riding on it.
Maybe he gets better. Maybe he doesnt. I'm not optimistic because I think there's been plenty of time for him to have shown even a marginal improvement and he hasnt.
by Jerry -- Kevin Booth was very much like him in that he was originally non-descript veteran signing and then after a few seasons came on late in his career with the Giants to be a very nice - reliable player
With the new CBA, practice time is cut down. I thought for players on the fringe, the team might 'strongly encourage' them to get in extra work over the summer, if not with the team in an official capacity then with a recommended trusted partner.
Seems like a pretty easy way to get around the 'voluntary' aspect of the offseason/OTAs.
Just another reason to be encouraged in this "good feeling" off season. Imagine he improves to be one of the better RG's in the game? Whats next hart being a stalwart at RT. Great read, love hearing that some of these players value playing their best as Giants as much as we do. Becoming a big fan of JJ now.
i dont understand why not give it your best every off season
I never ask this question when someone is trying to improve themselves and goes the extra effort to do so. Not everyone in any profession always does 100% in the offseason. When someone goes the extra effort they should be applauded not asked why they didn't do it earlier. IMO.
perhaps he will show in the running game this year. That would be a big and much needed surprise. Hopefully we'll see what the oline is capable of in pre-season. They'll need to bring it in game 1 at Dallas!
On another note, it would be nice if Richburg could get Flowers into Bentley's facility too!!!
Was when the Dolphins were on Hard Knocks and Jerry was either in his rookie or second season. Coach Philbin sat him down and basically told him he was very talented but very lazy. I hope the lightbulb finally goes off for him
That's not likely to change in 2016. Anything that helps make him a better player is a good thing. Bentley's camp, a Gluten-free diet, "magic" crystals, a trip to Lourdes...whatever.
but everyone peaks at their own pace. I know I became more responsible on my own and it didn't necessarily come about due to some seismic event in my life. It sort of just happened. You learn from mistakes but don't necessarily practice better habits over night. Things need to present themselves in just the right order.
Some of you act like an individuals progressions and maturity and development is linear. It rarely is.
let me admit I'm not clicking through to read the article. So I'm not responding to the article.
John Jerry isn't a kid and he's pretty much established a level in the league: He's a good pass protector and a weak run blocker. How good, and how bad, are debatable, but that's basically who he is.
It would be remarkable for him to suddenly take his game to another level at this point, to become a different, much better player. Hope he can.
if Jerry committed himself to this type of off season work earlier in his career he probably would not have ended up with the Jints
Light bulb coming on late is to the Jint benefit
Count blessings...
1) You need an invite to Bentley's off season camp.
2) Maybe he didn't have the greatest position coaches to clean up his technique (a big reason why we haven't developed any mid to late round OL prospects).
With that said, I'm cautiously optimistic he surprises us this season.
let me admit I'm not clicking through to read the article. So I'm not responding to the article.
John Jerry isn't a kid and he's pretty much established a level in the league: He's a good pass protector and a weak run blocker. How good, and how bad, are debatable, but that's basically who he is.
It would be remarkable for him to suddenly take his game to another level at this point, to become a different, much better player. Hope he can.
But I'm skeptical.
What was encouraging was obvious differences in his speed as they showed in those videos.
but Jerry working with and copying Richburgs stuff could pay big dividends. Jerry has the tools to be pretty good. Think he was a 4th round pick and never developed. Hope it happens
John Jerry worked his butt off on his own time/money to be the best he possibly could.
Being the best he possibly could is still a below average starter. For his career.
As said above Bentley is well reapected and doesn't tolerate anything but one's best efforts..If for the FIRST TIME EVER in the off-season Jerry has worked really hard on techniques, etc., I eager to see how that translates to the field..
I'm encouraged. But let's see
This. Hey Doc. Hope u are well. Never dog a guy for doing stuff to better themselves at their craft. Total to most pros. It's not always about talent but the willingness to put the extra time in to be a pro. Maybe he's it'll isn't great or even very good but this can't be a bad thing
Didn't Flowers w Bently too at some point this off season. Richberg may wind of being one of Reese's best picks period.
Who give extreme effort to maximize their potential (Eli & Richburg) and guys who skate along largely on talent (Jerry, Reuben Randle) and guys in between.
Just because you make it to and survive several years at the NFL level doesn't mean you are busting your ass every off season to get better. Hell did LT ever hit the weights or even quit using drugs? He is the extremely rare case of a guy being so gifted in so many ways that all he head to do was play at 100% of his natural ability to be the greatest defender ever.
So I don't see where it should be assumed that every guy in the NFL busts his hump to max out his potential.
How can a Giants' fan be indifferent to Jerry finally trying harder?
and we know his performance over his career. We also know that going back as far as his draft profile he was considered very talented but an under-achiever.
We also know Richburg improved greatly from year 1 to 2, after participating in Bentley's program.
We don't know how the same program will affect Jerry. We simply don't.
I started MA training at 25 years old and received my black belt at 30 and was among the best in my class among several Bay Area schools. No one thought that would be the case when I started and was nicknamed "oak tree" because of how stiff I was. I had fantastic teachers and after the 1st year dedicated myself 6 days per week, 3 hours+ per day to training. By the end I was among the most limber of students and had learned an awful lot about how to be "soft" and use only the appropriate muscles in executing many movements.
Point being folks can change both their bodies and more importantly how they use their bodies dramatically at ages up to 30 and for pro athletes even beyond I assume.
Why be so adamant? You might well be right. Or wrong.
and we know his performance over his career. We also know that going back as far as his draft profile he was considered very talented but an under-achiever.
We also know Richburg improved greatly from year 1 to 2, after participating in Bentley's program.
We don't know how the same program will affect Jerry. We simply don't.
I started MA training at 25 years old and received my black belt at 30 and was among the best in my class among several Bay Area schools. No one thought that would be the case when I started and was nicknamed "oak tree" because of how stiff I was. I had fantastic teachers and after the 1st year dedicated myself 6 days per week, 3 hours+ per day to training. By the end I was among the most limber of students and had learned an awful lot about how to be "soft" and use only the appropriate muscles in executing many movements.
Point being folks can change both their bodies and more importantly how they use their bodies dramatically at ages up to 30 and for pro athletes even beyond I assume.
Why be so adamant? You might well be right. Or wrong.
Help me understand this.
So because you achieved a black belt, that means John Jerry will suddenly take his craft seriously?
Richburg was known as a hard worker coming out. He needed to gain bulk and strength and refine his technique and he has. Because he's a hard worker.
It's simple. John Jerry has size and talent. What he lacks is desire to improve.
and we know his performance over his career. We also know that going back as far as his draft profile he was considered very talented but an under-achiever.
We also know Richburg improved greatly from year 1 to 2, after participating in Bentley's program.
We don't know how the same program will affect Jerry. We simply don't.
I started MA training at 25 years old and received my black belt at 30 and was among the best in my class among several Bay Area schools. No one thought that would be the case when I started and was nicknamed "oak tree" because of how stiff I was. I had fantastic teachers and after the 1st year dedicated myself 6 days per week, 3 hours+ per day to training. By the end I was among the most limber of students and had learned an awful lot about how to be "soft" and use only the appropriate muscles in executing many movements.
Point being folks can change both their bodies and more importantly how they use their bodies dramatically at ages up to 30 and for pro athletes even beyond I assume.
Why be so adamant? You might well be right. Or wrong.
Help me understand this.
So because you achieved a black belt, that means John Jerry will suddenly take his craft seriously?
Richburg was known as a hard worker coming out. He needed to gain bulk and strength and refine his technique and he has. Because he's a hard worker.
It's simple. John Jerry has size and talent. What he lacks is desire to improve.
Not for nothing, but I don't think he'd be taking part in a camp like this if he had no desire to improve. I think you can certainly make the claim that this was true in the past but his actions right now are kinda saying otherwise.
Did I just defend John Jerry?
Fuck. Well, whatever. Point remains. Does seem like the guy is trying to get better. We should all be hoping he does.
then why did he go to such lengths this offseason?
Tell radar to step away from your pc and post under his own handle.
Some of you are fucking ridiculous. If you don't think Jerry has improved his play here with the Giants then you're simply not paying attention. He's not a good run blocker but his overall play has been adequate and if you told the Giants that 2-3 years ago they'd be thrilled. The guy has been a bargain here at the very least. Maybe even a steal.
Some of you guys wouldn't have survived the Tam Hopkins/Ian Allen
Getting Jerry to play to at least an average level in the running game would do wonders for this team.
...now let's hope Bobby Hart is the positive surprise and takes the RT job by the throat.
Mind. Blown.
spent eight weeks training earlier this year in Arizona (along with Giants center Weston Richburg) at LeCharles Bentley's O-Line Performance. It was there Jerry experienced what he called a "career-changing" experience fixing flaws and improving his game.
"Best decision I ever made since I've been playing in the NFL," Jerry said. "I spent two months not just working out. I spent two months getting in a three-point stance and doing drills and doing technique things. That is something you rarely do in the offseason anywhere else that I've worked out.
"The past couple years it's mostly lifting and conditioning, not getting in stances and working on pass sets and run blocking and not giving away things whether you're on the front or back side of plays."
He might not be a very good player but he's well liked and respected among his teammates. Good for him.
Being the best he possibly could is still a below average starter. For his career.
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John Jerry worked his butt off on his own time/money to be the best he possibly could.
Being the best he possibly could is still a below average starter. For his career.
As said above Bentley is well reapected and doesn't tolerate anything but one's best efforts..If for the FIRST TIME EVER in the off-season Jerry has worked really hard on techniques, etc., I eager to see how that translates to the field..
I'm encouraged. But let's see
It sounds likes Jerry had a career-changing experience because Bentley worked them like dogs........
You don't get to be the best lollygagging on the sidelines or on the bikes.....
Some guys do improve well after the typical timeline. Ohara was one of them. I remember Ohara going on and on about how much better he would be due to recognizing and addressing his sleep apnea condition, sometime around 2006. And sure enough he was right.
Seems like a pretty easy way to get around the 'voluntary' aspect of the offseason/OTAs.
He spent a little extra time to work on his craft. Big deal. Each one of us does that every single day and we don't have millions riding on it.
Maybe he gets better. Maybe he doesnt. I'm not optimistic because I think there's been plenty of time for him to have shown even a marginal improvement and he hasnt.
novel concept
Seems like a pretty easy way to get around the 'voluntary' aspect of the offseason/OTAs.
Just another reason to be encouraged in this "good feeling" off season. Imagine he improves to be one of the better RG's in the game? Whats next hart being a stalwart at RT. Great read, love hearing that some of these players value playing their best as Giants as much as we do. Becoming a big fan of JJ now.
On Eli's dime.
novel concept
Well, beats what Anthony Davis is doing, right? How's that trade coming?
I never ask this question when someone is trying to improve themselves and goes the extra effort to do so. Not everyone in any profession always does 100% in the offseason. When someone goes the extra effort they should be applauded not asked why they didn't do it earlier. IMO.
You didn't read the link. Apparently, a guy like Jerry needs to be invited to Bentley's camp. That happened only after Richburg vouched for him.
That's the most interesting part of the story IMO.
On another note, it would be nice if Richburg could get Flowers into Bentley's facility too!!!
Physically, Jerry should be a good right guard. I would settle for "average" compared to the past couple of years.
Do you watch a lot of film?
It clicked for him to do this special training.
If we have a hole at RT? Well, 1 spot out of 11 isn't that bad. I feel very confident about the rest of our offense.
Honestly, on both sides of the ball, if RT is the only "weakspot", I think we could use one more LB but we have a lot of talent.
I agree as well that there is noticeable improvement demonstrated in the video attached to the article. Very noticeable.
exactly.
"Hey John, what are you doing to get better?"
"I can't talk. Angry fans will be upset."
Some of you act like an individuals progressions and maturity and development is linear. It rarely is.
He doesn't have to make a dramatic leap to help. Really, he just needs to become a decent run blocker.
It can happen as unlikely as it may be. Plenty of players improved as they approached 30.
And I love the influence Richburg is having on this team...
John Jerry isn't a kid and he's pretty much established a level in the league: He's a good pass protector and a weak run blocker. How good, and how bad, are debatable, but that's basically who he is.
It would be remarkable for him to suddenly take his game to another level at this point, to become a different, much better player. Hope he can.
But I'm skeptical.
That movie was creepy.
Light bulb coming on late is to the Jint benefit
Count blessings...
Light bulb coming on late is to the Jint benefit
Count blessings...
1) You need an invite to Bentley's off season camp.
2) Maybe he didn't have the greatest position coaches to clean up his technique (a big reason why we haven't developed any mid to late round OL prospects).
With that said, I'm cautiously optimistic he surprises us this season.
John Jerry isn't a kid and he's pretty much established a level in the league: He's a good pass protector and a weak run blocker. How good, and how bad, are debatable, but that's basically who he is.
It would be remarkable for him to suddenly take his game to another level at this point, to become a different, much better player. Hope he can.
But I'm skeptical.
Who says he's supposed to? He's "supposed" to show up for work at the specified times. That's all he's "supposed" to do.
Mind. Blown.
Beat me to it. :)
Was going to say EliMcAdoo....
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John Jerry worked his butt off on his own time/money to be the best he possibly could.
Being the best he possibly could is still a below average starter. For his
career.
Yes let's be negative and not appreciate someone working at their craft and spending their own money to improve their game.
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John Jerry worked his butt off on his own time/money to be the best he possibly could.
Being the best he possibly could is still a below average starter. For his career.
As said above Bentley is well reapected and doesn't tolerate anything but one's best efforts..If for the FIRST TIME EVER in the off-season Jerry has worked really hard on techniques, etc., I eager to see how that translates to the field..
I'm encouraged. But let's see
This. Hey Doc. Hope u are well. Never dog a guy for doing stuff to better themselves at their craft. Total to most pros. It's not always about talent but the willingness to put the extra time in to be a pro. Maybe he's it'll isn't great or even very good but this can't be a bad thing
Didn't Flowers w Bently too at some point this off season. Richberg may wind of being one of Reese's best picks period.
we have our Center hopefully for 10 years
Just because you make it to and survive several years at the NFL level doesn't mean you are busting your ass every off season to get better. Hell did LT ever hit the weights or even quit using drugs? He is the extremely rare case of a guy being so gifted in so many ways that all he head to do was play at 100% of his natural ability to be the greatest defender ever.
So I don't see where it should be assumed that every guy in the NFL busts his hump to max out his potential.
How can a Giants' fan be indifferent to Jerry finally trying harder?
Again, for the one millionth time, Bobby Hart is playing RT, not RG.
Jerry isn't hearing footsteps from anyone. His job security is not in question - he is the starting RG of the Giants this year. No competition.
And Bobby Hart couldn't beat out Dallas Reynolds in Week 17 last year. Lol
Bobby Hart = Right Tackle
Hart is the EMERGENCY RG in case Jerry gets hurt (unlikely)
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John Jerry worked his butt off on his own time/money to be the best he possibly could.
Being the best he possibly could is still a below average starter. For his career.
I know it's been fun to ridicule the odd John Jerry worshiper and all, but no one knows whether what you just said is remotely true yet.
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John Jerry worked his butt off on his own time/money to be the best he possibly could.
Being the best he possibly could is still a below average starter. For his career.
I know it's been fun to ridicule the odd John Jerry worshiper and all, but no one knows whether what you just said is remotely true yet.
Sure we do. He's been a below average OG throughout his career. Look it up.
We also know Richburg improved greatly from year 1 to 2, after participating in Bentley's program.
We don't know how the same program will affect Jerry. We simply don't.
I started MA training at 25 years old and received my black belt at 30 and was among the best in my class among several Bay Area schools. No one thought that would be the case when I started and was nicknamed "oak tree" because of how stiff I was. I had fantastic teachers and after the 1st year dedicated myself 6 days per week, 3 hours+ per day to training. By the end I was among the most limber of students and had learned an awful lot about how to be "soft" and use only the appropriate muscles in executing many movements.
Point being folks can change both their bodies and more importantly how they use their bodies dramatically at ages up to 30 and for pro athletes even beyond I assume.
Why be so adamant? You might well be right. Or wrong.
Hopefully he does elevate his game, though. I'd rather the Giants be better off and deal with this jackass than the alternative.
But I don't understand the thinking that he can't be moved from his position. Posters seem to be equating that with a demotion.
But I don't understand the thinking that he can't be moved from his position. Posters seem to be equating that with a demotion.
Wrong thread?
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the minute he was selected.
But I don't understand the thinking that he can't be moved from his position. Posters seem to be equating that with a demotion.
Wrong thread?
Whoops, yeah, this belongs in the Eugene Monroe thread.
We also know Richburg improved greatly from year 1 to 2, after participating in Bentley's program.
We don't know how the same program will affect Jerry. We simply don't.
I started MA training at 25 years old and received my black belt at 30 and was among the best in my class among several Bay Area schools. No one thought that would be the case when I started and was nicknamed "oak tree" because of how stiff I was. I had fantastic teachers and after the 1st year dedicated myself 6 days per week, 3 hours+ per day to training. By the end I was among the most limber of students and had learned an awful lot about how to be "soft" and use only the appropriate muscles in executing many movements.
Point being folks can change both their bodies and more importantly how they use their bodies dramatically at ages up to 30 and for pro athletes even beyond I assume.
Why be so adamant? You might well be right. Or wrong.
Help me understand this.
So because you achieved a black belt, that means John Jerry will suddenly take his craft seriously?
Richburg was known as a hard worker coming out. He needed to gain bulk and strength and refine his technique and he has. Because he's a hard worker.
It's simple. John Jerry has size and talent. What he lacks is desire to improve.
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and we know his performance over his career. We also know that going back as far as his draft profile he was considered very talented but an under-achiever.
We also know Richburg improved greatly from year 1 to 2, after participating in Bentley's program.
We don't know how the same program will affect Jerry. We simply don't.
I started MA training at 25 years old and received my black belt at 30 and was among the best in my class among several Bay Area schools. No one thought that would be the case when I started and was nicknamed "oak tree" because of how stiff I was. I had fantastic teachers and after the 1st year dedicated myself 6 days per week, 3 hours+ per day to training. By the end I was among the most limber of students and had learned an awful lot about how to be "soft" and use only the appropriate muscles in executing many movements.
Point being folks can change both their bodies and more importantly how they use their bodies dramatically at ages up to 30 and for pro athletes even beyond I assume.
Why be so adamant? You might well be right. Or wrong.
Help me understand this.
So because you achieved a black belt, that means John Jerry will suddenly take his craft seriously?
Richburg was known as a hard worker coming out. He needed to gain bulk and strength and refine his technique and he has. Because he's a hard worker.
It's simple. John Jerry has size and talent. What he lacks is desire to improve.
Not for nothing, but I don't think he'd be taking part in a camp like this if he had no desire to improve. I think you can certainly make the claim that this was true in the past but his actions right now are kinda saying otherwise.
Did I just defend John Jerry?
Fuck. Well, whatever. Point remains. Does seem like the guy is trying to get better. We should all be hoping he does.
Tell radar to step away from your pc and post under his own handle.
Some of you are fucking ridiculous. If you don't think Jerry has improved his play here with the Giants then you're simply not paying attention. He's not a good run blocker but his overall play has been adequate and if you told the Giants that 2-3 years ago they'd be thrilled. The guy has been a bargain here at the very least. Maybe even a steal.
Toughen up.