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NYerInMA : 6/13/2016 10:07 am
Now that the calamity of another Pens' Cup has occurred, everyone can move on to the business of getting to June 2017. The Rangers, obviously, have a lot of work to do to get back to being a contender. Word is the salary cap may actually shrink, which puts several teams, including NYR, CHI, and PIT in crunches. Should be an interesting couple of months!
The 16-17 schedule comes out  
theold5j : 6/13/2016 10:10 am : link
next week, I believe.
Dont know how you can run a league  
Deej : 6/13/2016 10:13 am : link
with shrinking caps. Bettman is an absolutely fucking embarrassment -- cant make money in an era of explosive sports broadcasting contracts. Yeah, I know about the Loonie issue. The NHL should have hedged.
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Mike in Long Beach : 6/13/2016 10:15 am : link
Strome - Tavares - Lucic
Stempniak - Stamkos - Nelson
Kulemin - Neilsen - Clutterbuck
Grabovski - Cizikas - Prince

Leddy - Boychuk
Hamonic - Pulock
Hickey - de Haan

Halak/Greiss

Make it happen, Garth!
I'm excited about the Sabres  
Steve L : 6/13/2016 10:18 am : link
I'm a long time fan and I think they might be on the right path...finally. I think legit guys will want to play with Eichel and O'Reilly and with a stronger D, we may see that Chad Johnson might be the goalie we've needed. And we finally have an owner that wants to build a team. Things are looking up in Buffalo.

And I'm happy for the Pens. They played great and deserved it.
Gonna be a wild year leading up to the expansion draft.  
Andy in Halifax : 6/13/2016 10:21 am : link
Lots of trades probably as teams may shed players they will be unable to keep in the draft.
Canes have money to spend and 13 draft picks in the first 3 rounds  
Jints in Carolina : 6/13/2016 10:24 am : link
Ron Francis has them going in the right direction finally.
RE: Canes have money to spend and 13 draft picks in the first 3 rounds  
jv : 6/13/2016 10:26 am : link
In comment 12991730 Jints in Carolina said:
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Ron Francis has them going in the right direction finally.


Sounds like it's time for a Staal brothers reunion down there...
I agree it will be interesting  
pjcas18 : 6/13/2016 10:35 am : link
with the expansion, and I've been reading about teams unloading players they can't keep, but I'd do the opposite.

I'd keep them, because you have to expose a certain number of players. Why acquire someone new who you can't keep?

Here are the rules:

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A minimum of two forwards and one defenseman must be exposed who have played 40 games the previous season, or a total of 70 over the previous two


So, it's designed to prevent what you suggested IMO. You can't expose pieces of shit unless you play them. I'd rather bite the bullet.

And you can't reacquire a player for a year (jan 1 2018) if you trade him to "stash" him.

I'm not sure what to expect.
Impossible to say what to expect  
bigbluehoya : 6/13/2016 10:46 am : link
On the one hand, you don't want to acquire something of high value at this point that you can't protect.

On the other, you have to keep in mind that you can only lose one player to the draft. If you're currently projecting that you'd be exposing 3 or 4 really nice assets, you're probably holding a nice deck of cards. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

If you're a team who operates right up at the limits of the salary cap, put yourself in a position where the asset you're most likely to lose is someone who is well-paid and not crazy young. At least then you end up with a consolation prize of a little cap relief.

RE: RE: Canes have money to spend and 13 draft picks in the first 3 rounds  
Jints in Carolina : 6/13/2016 10:55 am : link
In comment 12991742 jv said:
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Ron Francis has them going in the right direction finally.



Sounds like it's time for a Staal brothers reunion down there...


Um no thanks
When push comes to shove  
Deej : 6/13/2016 11:00 am : link
new teams are probably going to want young players. And will be willing to take picks from the powerhouse teams that dont want to lose their vets.
RE: When push comes to shove  
pjcas18 : 6/13/2016 11:08 am : link
In comment 12991827 Deej said:
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new teams are probably going to want young players. And will be willing to take picks from the powerhouse teams that dont want to lose their vets.


The NMC is in effect too. So I think you're right in some part, because less younger players probably have NMC's.

however to bigbluehoya's point and what I was trying to say, if I'm SJ and I have Ward, Thornton, Marleau, and other ancient players, I'm leaving one of them unprotected because they're ancient, high paid, and I value the younger players more.

though Thornton and Marleau are FA's after the 2016 - 2017 season so they're more demonstrative than actual examples.
Also to note  
bigbluehoya : 6/13/2016 11:12 am : link
I believe teams need to have 25% of their cap exposed.

There are going to be a bunch of angles to this, which will make it difficult to meet without exposing some real value, but will also make it super interesting for the fans who like to mess around with this kind of stuff.

Definitely not a one size fits all team approach.
RE: RE: RE: Canes have money to spend and 13 draft picks in the first 3 rounds  
MetsAreBack : 6/13/2016 11:29 am : link
In comment 12991813 Jints in Carolina said:
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Ron Francis has them going in the right direction finally.



Sounds like it's time for a Staal brothers reunion down there...



Um no thanks



No offense but its hard to envision Carolina having its pick of the litter. At least this offseason and next.
Penns and Sharks  
Percy : 6/13/2016 12:01 pm : link
Make the Rangers look slow, untalented, and unimaginative. There's an awful lot to do to hope to match up well with either of them nest season. (Of course, once upon a time I might have said the same about the Kings, and look how they've turned out.)
RE: Penns and Sharks  
BrettNYG10 : 6/13/2016 12:22 pm : link
In comment 12991965 Percy said:
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Make the Rangers look slow, untalented, and unimaginative. There's an awful lot to do to hope to match up well with either of them nest season. (Of course, once upon a time I might have said the same about the Kings, and look how they've turned out.)


I think the gap between the Rangers and the elite teams this year was enormous - but look at how bad those teams were 12 months ago. There's reason for optimism. Gorton apparently did a lot of good in Boston - if he can make a handful of good moves the team could compete again next season.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Canes have money to spend and 13 draft picks in the first 3 rounds  
Jints in Carolina : 6/13/2016 12:26 pm : link
In comment 12991890 MetsAreBack said:
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Ron Francis has them going in the right direction finally.



Sounds like it's time for a Staal brothers reunion down there...



Um no thanks




No offense but its hard to envision Carolina having its pick of the litter. At least this offseason and next.


Ddidn't say they would have the pick of the litter but they will land FA's.
Amazing how quickly  
Deej : 6/13/2016 12:31 pm : link
we could get to the point that the Rangers look slow. After being a race car the previous season. I'd really love an honest, fly on the wall account of this season.
Mike  
Fish : 6/13/2016 12:54 pm : link
Stempniak???? No thanks.

Get me Hartnell who just waived NTC, JVR and Nuschkin from Dallas.
By most accounts, Isles will try for JVR  
pganut : 6/13/2016 1:57 pm : link
Stemp isn't a bad bottom 6 addition (assuming some of the other dead wood can be let go). Can also see them add someone like Stalberg for bottom 6 depth and experience. I agree I'd love to see Nichuchkin, but the Isles probably wouldn't try an offer sheet via RFA, rather a trade. Staple tweeted that he does expect the Isles to move their first rounder and that there will likely be trades between now and the end of the draft.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/13/2016 5:01 pm : link
Seguin is a stretch  
pjcas18 : 6/13/2016 5:14 pm : link
and Crosby, Malkin and MAF were 11, 12 and 13 years ago.

that's some fancy work by a GM keeping those guys together and MAF did little to nothing to help this cup.
For the isles fans  
bigbluehoya : 6/13/2016 6:06 pm : link
There's a thread on HFBoards summarizing some takeaways from a Q&A with Staple, if you missed it


Oh, and screw the isles - ( New Window )
RE: Seguin is a stretch  
Deej : 6/13/2016 6:26 pm : link
In comment 12992493 pjcas18 said:
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and Crosby, Malkin and MAF were 11, 12 and 13 years ago.

that's some fancy work by a GM keeping those guys together and MAF did little to nothing to help this cup.


Agree re Boston. Dont agree that it is fancy work keeping together Sid and Geno. How often have we seen players of that caliber actually walk in free agency, in their 20s?
RE: For the isles fans  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/13/2016 6:27 pm : link
In comment 12992541 bigbluehoya said:
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There's a thread on HFBoards summarizing some takeaways from a Q&A with Staple, if you missed it
Oh, and screw the isles - ( New Window )


Thanks for posting. Great summary.

I'd give up a 1st for Eberle in a New York minute.
RE: By most accounts, Isles will try for JVR  
Dave M : 6/13/2016 7:34 pm : link
In comment 12992236 pganut said:
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Stemp isn't a bad bottom 6 addition (assuming some of the other dead wood can be let go). Can also see them add someone like Stalberg for bottom 6 depth and experience. I agree I'd love to see Nichuchkin, but the Isles probably wouldn't try an offer sheet via RFA, rather a trade. Staple tweeted that he does expect the Isles to move their first rounder and that there will likely be trades between now and the end of the draft.


I'd be happy with Eberle or JVR barring giving up too much.
Rick Bowness rumor?  
Drewcon40 : 6/14/2016 7:43 am : link
Hello gentlemen,

I was browsing hfboards and see some smoke about Rick Bowness possibly being hired by the Rangers replace Ulf Samulesson after he accepted the Charlotte position.

RE: RE: Seguin is a stretch  
pjcas18 : 6/14/2016 8:41 am : link
In comment 12992558 Deej said:
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and Crosby, Malkin and MAF were 11, 12 and 13 years ago.

that's some fancy work by a GM keeping those guys together and MAF did little to nothing to help this cup.



Agree re Boston. Dont agree that it is fancy work keeping together Sid and Geno. How often have we seen players of that caliber actually walk in free agency, in their 20s?


Ok, fair point, I should have said it's some good GM work keeping those three and remaining competitive.

in fact they've added players like Kessel to the mix instead of just maintaining.

Chicago has stayed competitive too.

the Bruins paid Bergeron, Chara and Krejci after their cup and it cost them they had to trade guys like Boychuk, Lucic, and Hamilton among others. Some teams can't make it work.

the fact the Penguins and Blackhawks have kept their core together this long is impressive to me.
RE: RE: By most accounts, Isles will try for JVR  
BrettNYG10 : 6/14/2016 8:44 am : link
In comment 12992611 Dave M said:
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Stemp isn't a bad bottom 6 addition (assuming some of the other dead wood can be let go). Can also see them add someone like Stalberg for bottom 6 depth and experience. I agree I'd love to see Nichuchkin, but the Isles probably wouldn't try an offer sheet via RFA, rather a trade. Staple tweeted that he does expect the Isles to move their first rounder and that there will likely be trades between now and the end of the draft.



I'd be happy with Eberle or JVR barring giving up too much.


You guys should have went after Kessel last year. He would have been a great get.

It'll never happen, but Nash would be an incredible fit for Tavares. I think the two would make great trading partners if they weren't in the same division - Islanders have picks and prospects that would be enticing.

I like JVR as well (I said last year that if NYR traded Nash at the time they should try to get him and a pick in return) - haven't seen as much of Eberle.
I've never looked so forward to a June hockey date  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/14/2016 8:52 am : link
as I believe tomorrow is the first day the Flyers can finally say goodbye to RJ Shitberger. Was the extra year of salary cap space worth the Umberger/Hartnell trade? Guess we will find out in FA.
RE: Rick Bowness rumor?  
Anakim : 6/14/2016 9:11 am : link
In comment 12993033 Drewcon40 said:
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Hello gentlemen,

I was browsing hfboards and see some smoke about Rick Bowness possibly being hired by the Rangers replace Ulf Samulesson after he accepted the Charlotte position.


Isn't he with Jon Cooper and the Lightning? Browness would be a nice hire. He coached with AV before. I think everyone assumes Beuke will replace Ulf.
RE: RE: Rick Bowness rumor?  
Drewcon40 : 6/14/2016 9:26 am : link
In comment 12993126 Anakim said:
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Isn't he with Jon Cooper and the Lightning? Browness would be a nice hire. He coached with AV before. I think everyone assumes Beuke will replace Ulf.


I thought the same thing Anakim but there was a small bit of twitter activity stating this was close or has been agreed upon. None of the main beat writers, as of now but SNY posted this earlier.

Now I think he signed an extension with Tampa Bay.

Sorry for the confusion. I wasn't trying to have my major_tong moment.

Updated - Bowness signs extension with Tampa Bay - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Rick Bowness rumor?  
Anakim : 6/14/2016 9:36 am : link
In comment 12993126 Anakim said:
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Hello gentlemen,

I was browsing hfboards and see some smoke about Rick Bowness possibly being hired by the Rangers replace Ulf Samulesson after he accepted the Charlotte position.




Isn't he with Jon Cooper and the Lightning? Browness would be a nice hire. He coached with AV before. I think everyone assumes Beuke will replace Ulf.


*Bowness
Agree Nash  
JayBinQueens : 6/14/2016 9:57 am : link
would be a good fit with JT and also don't see the two teams making something work.

Can't argue with using the 1st rd pick to add a proven vet like Eberle.

This will be a very entertaining off-season for the Isles (and per usual, because we expect that, not a lot will transpire)
Eberle can be had for only a late first?  
MetsAreBack : 6/14/2016 10:17 am : link
Is he coming off a terrible season?
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arcarsenal : 6/14/2016 10:25 am : link
Eberle had a bit of a "down" year. Missed a small handful of games. His scoring was on par with where its been but the helpers weren't there. Not a terrible year. Still only 25. Definitely has more 70 point seasons on the horizon. Probably capable of 80 if he plays with an elite winger.
I am not a big Eberle fan  
marbles : 6/14/2016 10:37 am : link
Especially if he is the major offseason acquisition. He is more of a backup to a backup plan.

If you combine the performance with the hefty contract, Edmonton needs to trade some of its former first rounders, before the majority of them continue to lose more value.

The only way Eberle makes any sense is if he does not cost you any pieces required to get JVR.

In that way, Eberle slides into line two, while JVR is paired with Tavares on the top line.



Toronto is looking to  
jv : 6/14/2016 10:43 am : link
move JVR? Seems like he's the type of piece they would be looking to build around.
Buyout window  
bigbluehoya : 6/15/2016 8:19 am : link
Is open for business.

Not expecting any activity on the Rangers front, but it will be nice to read some official offseason news and hopefully will help me stop vomiting from seeing Hagelin raising the cup in a Pens jersey.
Big trade  
Anakim : 6/15/2016 11:50 am : link
Mark Lazerus ‏@MarkLazerus
#Blackhawks trade Bryan Bickell AND Teuvo Teravainen to Carolina for second-rounder in 2016 and a third-rounder in 2017.



Canes take on salary with Bickell and get a very nice young player in Teuvo
CHI-CAR trade  
NYerInMA : 6/15/2016 11:50 am : link
CAR gets:
Teravainen
Bickell

CHI gets:
2016 second-round pick
2017 third-round pick
Panarin  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2016 11:53 am : link
made Teravainen expendable.

and Teravainen is an RFA after the season.

including him got CAR to take on Bickell's $4M.

good move. for both IMO.

Think that's a great move for the Canes.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/15/2016 11:56 am : link
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That's great value  
bigbluehoya : 6/15/2016 12:02 pm : link
For Carolina considering there's only one year of Bickell's contract to eat.
That might be the only way to get out of Girardi and Staal's contracts  
Anakim : 6/15/2016 12:03 pm : link
without buying them out. I wouldn't trade Skjei or Buchnevich but a guy like McIlrath I'd include if it meant getting rid of Girardi.
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arcarsenal : 6/15/2016 12:07 pm : link
Good move for both teams.
RE: That might be the only way to get out of Girardi and Staal's contracts  
BrettNYG10 : 6/15/2016 12:11 pm : link
In comment 12994830 Anakim said:
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without buying them out. I wouldn't trade Skjei or Buchnevich but a guy like McIlrath I'd include if it meant getting rid of Girardi.


I wouldn't - he has value as someone who can be exposed in the expansion draft. Further, the buyout is significantly more palatable next year. I think the team needs to look at the next 3-4 years, not just next year.

I read somewhere that teams were inquiring about Staal.
In order to keep Kane  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2016 12:13 pm : link
Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford, etc.

the Blackhawks need to let guys like Sharp, Teravainen, Byfuglin, etc. go.

There are other and better players for the Vegas Team to draft  
Anakim : 6/15/2016 12:13 pm : link
to reach the cap floor. I simply don't think Girardi is going anywhere anytime soon unless he's packaged with an asset or two.
RE: In order to keep Kane  
arcarsenal : 6/15/2016 12:14 pm : link
In comment 12994856 pjcas18 said:
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Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford, etc.

the Blackhawks need to let guys like Sharp, Teravainen, Byfuglin, etc. go.


Buff has been gone for like 6 years now. Haha.
Ok, Canes  
bigbluehoya : 6/15/2016 12:14 pm : link
Now bring back Eric Staal.

And then the Rangers will take Bickell off your hands and send you back Marc Staal. We'll throw in this lightly used Marek Hrivik if you insist.

K? Thx. Bai.
RE: There are other and better players for the Vegas Team to draft  
BrettNYG10 : 6/15/2016 12:15 pm : link
In comment 12994857 Anakim said:
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to reach the cap floor. I simply don't think Girardi is going anywhere anytime soon unless he's packaged with an asset or two.


I don't expect him to be picked. But it allows the Rangers to protect a different dman.
RE: In order to keep Kane  
BrettNYG10 : 6/15/2016 12:16 pm : link
In comment 12994856 pjcas18 said:
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Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford, etc.

the Blackhawks need to let guys like Sharp, Teravainen, Byfuglin, etc. go.


Crawford had a really good year, but I would have traded him and even Seabrook.
RE: RE: There are other and better players for the Vegas Team to draft  
Anakim : 6/15/2016 12:17 pm : link
In comment 12994866 BrettNYG10 said:
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to reach the cap floor. I simply don't think Girardi is going anywhere anytime soon unless he's packaged with an asset or two.



I don't expect him to be picked. But it allows the Rangers to protect a different dman.


Yes, but Girardi would still be on the books for the Rangers. We need to get rid of him now.
And where'd you hear about the Marc Staal rumors?  
Anakim : 6/15/2016 12:18 pm : link
I highly doubt a team trades for him straight up unless another bad contract is coming back.
RE: RE: In order to keep Kane  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2016 12:24 pm : link
In comment 12994867 BrettNYG10 said:
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Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford, etc.

the Blackhawks need to let guys like Sharp, Teravainen, Byfuglin, etc. go.




Crawford had a really good year, but I would have traded him and even Seabrook.


both those two are owed way too much money (Seabrook is already 31 and still owed almost 50M and Crawford 24M) at this point to be traded IMO. I expect either or both will be exposed in the expansion draft (I don't remember how goalies work).



Why do they need to get rid of Girardi now instead of waiting a year?  
BrettNYG10 : 6/15/2016 12:57 pm : link
Especially if getting rid of him entails trading an asset (say, Hayes)? I don't see how that enhances the teams chances of winning the Cup immediately, much less over the next 3-5 years.

pj, I should have been more clear - I meant prior to signing. I was wrong on Crawford's quality, though, so it's not a horrendous deal. I think Seabrook's is bad. They should have traded him for prospects.
Assuming Girardi can be exposed in the draft  
bigbluehoya : 6/15/2016 1:06 pm : link
I agree 100%.
RE: RE: RE: Seguin is a stretch  
Deej : 6/15/2016 1:20 pm : link
In comment 12993086 pjcas18 said:
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and Crosby, Malkin and MAF were 11, 12 and 13 years ago.

that's some fancy work by a GM keeping those guys together and MAF did little to nothing to help this cup.



Agree re Boston. Dont agree that it is fancy work keeping together Sid and Geno. How often have we seen players of that caliber actually walk in free agency, in their 20s?



Ok, fair point, I should have said it's some good GM work keeping those three and remaining competitive.

in fact they've added players like Kessel to the mix instead of just maintaining.

Chicago has stayed competitive too.

the Bruins paid Bergeron, Chara and Krejci after their cup and it cost them they had to trade guys like Boychuk, Lucic, and Hamilton among others. Some teams can't make it work.

the fact the Penguins and Blackhawks have kept their core together this long is impressive to me.


I'd argue that the Pens did a shitty job post Cup #1 staying competitive. Those rosters were the few big names and then barren. Terrible drafts too. Turned it around THIS year, and I'd have to study exactly how. But IMO the franchise going 6 years with just one conference finals appearance (no SCF) while having Sid and Geno (and Letang) isnt impressive, even conceding that each guy has had material injury issues.

Blackhawks have been a lot more impressive.
Since going to back to back  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2016 1:32 pm : link
cups, the Pens have made the playoffs every single year, won at least one series in 4 out of 7 seasons, and finished lower than 2nd in their division once.

Chicago is definitely more impressive because of the cups obviously, but the Penguins, when compared with say the Bruins or the teams who won the cup immediately before the first Pens cup with Crosby the Ducks, Red Wings or Hurricanes, I find the Penguins impressive.

You don't. Cool, I agree to disagree.
RE: Since going to back to back  
arcarsenal : 6/15/2016 1:36 pm : link
In comment 12995077 pjcas18 said:
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cups, the Pens have made the playoffs every single year, won at least one series in 4 out of 7 seasons, and finished lower than 2nd in their division once.

Chicago is definitely more impressive because of the cups obviously, but the Penguins, when compared with say the Bruins or the teams who won the cup immediately before the first Pens cup with Crosby the Ducks, Red Wings or Hurricanes, I find the Penguins impressive.

You don't. Cool, I agree to disagree.


Right before the lockout and Crosby they missed the playoffs like 4 or 5 straight years. They were terrible.
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arcarsenal : 6/15/2016 1:37 pm : link
Oh, you're referring to them going to back to back Cups.. (1 win, 1 loss) in 07-09.. my fault. I misread that post and thought you were talking about the early 90's when they won back to back.
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pjcas18 : 6/15/2016 1:44 pm : link
In comment 12995098 arcarsenal said:
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Oh, you're referring to them going to back to back Cups.. (1 win, 1 loss) in 07-09.. my fault. I misread that post and thought you were talking about the early 90's when they won back to back.


Yeah. I guess Deej's point is when you have the best player in the league and another one not far behind, the "success" the Pens had in between cups is not impressive.

I just don't think hockey works like basketball where the best player is enough to make your team one of the best. Hockey is just too reliant on depth, system, hate to say it "puck luck" - which I'm not going to debate but hopefully people get what I mean, than just having the best players.

I included MAF in their core, but him being kept might have actually hurt more than helped the pens. I am not a fan of his, but either way, it's hard to keep players when you're successful in the NHL.

I mentioned this before, the Bruins had to trade Boychuk, Lucic, and Hamilton, and that's omitting Seguin who I also won't get into but I don't think they had to trade him for the same reasons.
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arcarsenal : 6/15/2016 1:49 pm : link
I think the Pens just did a bad job putting a Cup caliber team around Crosby for a lot of those years in between this Cup and his first one. Weak blue lines, little depth, etc. But having Crosby and Malkin gets you a long ways in and of itself. I think getting to 3 SCF's and winning 2 in a decade is pretty impressive in this era no matter who is on your team. Outside of the Hawks, you really can't make a case for anyone having a better post-lockout run save for maybe LA.. but their success is clustered into a small window with some unimpressive years surrounding it.
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pjcas18 : 6/15/2016 1:56 pm : link
In comment 12995128 arcarsenal said:
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I think the Pens just did a bad job putting a Cup caliber team around Crosby for a lot of those years in between this Cup and his first one. Weak blue lines, little depth, etc. But having Crosby and Malkin gets you a long ways in and of itself. I think getting to 3 SCF's and winning 2 in a decade is pretty impressive in this era no matter who is on your team. Outside of the Hawks, you really can't make a case for anyone having a better post-lockout run save for maybe LA.. but their success is clustered into a small window with some unimpressive years surrounding it.


That's the price you pay IMO for keeping Crosby and Malkin. On CHI both Kane and Toews make 10M plus each. How do you build a roster around that?

Crosby and Malkin are a little less than that, but it's not easy to spread that around.

the Kings IMO just show how a hot goalie can carry a team. Sure the Kings have talent with guys like Doughty and Kopitar, but Quick was really the story of those two cups.

the first one more so than the 2nd, but when their backs were to the wall, Quick responded like an elite goalie.
Expansion tool  
Davisian : 6/15/2016 2:19 pm : link
For each team
Who ya gonna protect? - ( New Window )
I thought there  
bigbluehoya : 6/15/2016 2:30 pm : link
Was also a rule that teams need to expose 25% of their salary cap. No??
RE: Why do they need to get rid of Girardi now instead of waiting a year?  
Anakim : 6/15/2016 2:40 pm : link
In comment 12994987 BrettNYG10 said:
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Especially if getting rid of him entails trading an asset (say, Hayes)? I don't see how that enhances the teams chances of winning the Cup immediately, much less over the next 3-5 years.

pj, I should have been more clear - I meant prior to signing. I was wrong on Crawford's quality, though, so it's not a horrendous deal. I think Seabrook's is bad. They should have traded him for prospects.


Because they have to fill this roster with a bunch of players. While we have the cap space, the number of guaranteed roster players is very low. We need cap space for not only quality players but quantity ones as well. Hence, players like Nash, Girardi, Staal and Glass must go.
An interesting point about expansion  
pganut : 6/15/2016 2:54 pm : link
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Another wrinkle has come up that wasnt a part of any of the initial reports. Teams will be required to offer at least one defenseman and two forwards who are under contract for the 2017-18 season. Those players must have played a minimum of 40 NHL games in the 2016-17 season, or at least 70 games between the 2015-16 and 2016-17 seasons. Teams will also have to offer a goaltender who is under contract for the 2017-18 season or an RFA-to-be in 2018.
Looking at defense, speaking from the Islanders camp, the games played component means (depending on who the Isles choose to protect or get buy-in to waive an NMC), that means that we'd lose one of Boychuk, Leddy, Hamonic, CDH, Hickey or Pulock, if LV was so inclined to choose them. Article on expansion draft rules below.
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RE: RE: That might be the only way to get out of Girardi and Staal's contracts  
arcarsenal : 6/15/2016 3:06 pm : link
In comment 12994852 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 12994830 Anakim said:


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without buying them out. I wouldn't trade Skjei or Buchnevich but a guy like McIlrath I'd include if it meant getting rid of Girardi.



I wouldn't - he has value as someone who can be exposed in the expansion draft. Further, the buyout is significantly more palatable next year. I think the team needs to look at the next 3-4 years, not just next year.

I read somewhere that teams were inquiring about Staal.


Do you remember where you saw that teams were inquiring about Staal?
No idea if this is legit.  
Davisian : 6/15/2016 7:17 pm : link
Rangers maybe trading Stepan

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RE: No idea if this is legit.  
Anakim : 6/15/2016 7:26 pm : link
In comment 12995607 Davisian said:
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Uncle Larry posted a while back about the Wild being interested in bringing in the hometown kid. I want Dumba and Coyle for Stepan.
That same guy tweeted almost the same thing  
bigbluehoya : 6/15/2016 7:48 pm : link
A few days ago.

Short of a really incredible haul, there's no way they should be retaining a penny of salary. The whole thing sounds like wild (no pun intended) speculation, but he better be incorrect about that point.

I would be hard to see Steps go, but I can appreciate that you don't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. It's all about what's coming back.
Coyle and Dumba for Stepan would be great  
Anakim : 6/15/2016 8:12 pm : link
About fair too with a slight edge to us I think.
RE: Coyle and Dumba for Stepan would be great  
bigbluehoya : 6/15/2016 8:23 pm : link
In comment 12995652 Anakim said:
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About fair too with a slight edge to us I think.


I think that's clearly in the Rangers favor, but I wouldn't trade Stepan for much less.

Maybe the Rangers add one of the handful of nice young goalies they have in the system.
RE: An interesting point about expansion  
timintey : 6/15/2016 9:31 pm : link
In comment 12995227 pganut said:
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Looking at defense, speaking from the Islanders camp, the games played component means (depending on who the Isles choose to protect or get buy-in to waive an NMC), that means that we'd lose one of Boychuk, Leddy, Hamonic, CDH, Hickey or Pulock, if LV was so inclined to choose them.


If that's the case, I'd make it deHaan or Hickey
RE: RE: An interesting point about expansion  
pganut : 6/15/2016 9:58 pm : link
In comment 12995697 timintey said:
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Looking at defense, speaking from the Islanders camp, the games played component means (depending on who the Isles choose to protect or get buy-in to waive an NMC), that means that we'd lose one of Boychuk, Leddy, Hamonic, CDH, Hickey or Pulock, if LV was so inclined to choose them.

If that's the case, I'd make it deHaan or Hickey
Totally agreed, and hopefully the former rather than the latter (and I happen to like CDH).
I don't  
SethFromAstoria : 6/16/2016 7:51 am : link
think the Rangers have "A lot of work to do to" to be contenders again. I don't think the Rangers want to get rid of Staal or Girardi. These are all things that people talk about as though they are facts just like "the Rangers are not even close to being contenders" in the same season they make a Cup run to the Finals. Or "the Mets are a clown franchise run by owners who will never have a team that can win as long as they are the owners" and they are "Cheap and will never add any salary" and "there will never be players who want to play for the Mets and their joke franchise" as guys talk about how much they love playing here for this awful manager etc etc etc....

There's a high probability  
bigbluehoya : 6/16/2016 8:24 am : link
That both Girardi and Staal are on the team next year, but that doesn't make you right.

Not being able (NMCs) or not being willing to do what it takes (buyouts) are a hell of a lot different than not wanting to get rid of them.

It's almost undeniable that if they could go back in time and not do those deals, they'd take that offer in a heartbeat.
RE: RE: RE: That might be the only way to get out of Girardi and Staal's contracts  
BrettNYG10 : 6/16/2016 8:26 am : link
In comment 12995242 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 12994852 BrettNYG10 said:


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In comment 12994830 Anakim said:


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without buying them out. I wouldn't trade Skjei or Buchnevich but a guy like McIlrath I'd include if it meant getting rid of Girardi.



I wouldn't - he has value as someone who can be exposed in the expansion draft. Further, the buyout is significantly more palatable next year. I think the team needs to look at the next 3-4 years, not just next year.

I read somewhere that teams were inquiring about Staal.



Do you remember where you saw that teams were inquiring about Staal?


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NHL Rumors ‏@NHLRumorsDaily Jun 8
Colorado and Dallas have shown preliminary interest in Marc Staal, banking on the fact that the NYR will retain anywhere from 20-30% of cap


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NHL Rumors ‏@NHLRumorsDaily Jun 8
I wouldn't say Staal trade is anywhere near likely right now. Will heat up closer to draft. Staal also has a NTC/NMC that would be a factor


I've seen this guy get a couple things right in the past, but don't consider him a high-quality source. So, I take it with a grain of salt. I thought I read it on Sportsnet or something more credible initially, but I couldn't find the article so I'm probably wrong about that.
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arcarsenal : 6/16/2016 8:35 am : link
Thanks.
Not to mention eating up to 30% of Staal's cap space....  
MetsAreBack : 6/16/2016 8:51 am : link
uggh.
I do understand why Stepan is being dangled  
MetsAreBack : 6/16/2016 8:53 am : link

but without him and Yandle this year, I do doubt we'll make the playoffs. If that's the route we choose to go and it might be the right call... I'd prefer a more drastic overhaul.

A slow bleed isn't a good strategy.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/16/2016 9:10 am : link
MAB, I think an interesting route the team could take is to make moves to maximize the 2017-2020 Cup window instead of trying to get back to being an elite team ASAP. They can make moves to get back to contention quickly this year, but clearing space, signing the RFA's to long term deals, trading some guys for youth and making a run at Hedman/Benn (or a few less shiny guys) next off-season might prove a better strategy to maximizing Hank's window. Thinking in one year increments has proved damaging. I have no issue with taking a step back for a year.
Eating a few bucks on Staal  
bigbluehoya : 6/16/2016 9:15 am : link
Would be smart if it gets a deal done for the fact alone that they wouldn't need to use one of their 3 Dmen protections on him.

Based on what I've read, I think Skjei and Buchnevich are in fact going to have to be protected -- sounds like AHL and KHL years are counted in the "professional experience".

So right out of the gate you're protecting McDonagh and Skjei. Being able to use the third spot on Yandle or his replacement or even McIlrath instead of Staal is really important.

Even if they can find a palatable deal for Staal, they need to do what the can to get him to waive the NMC before the expansion draft. If push came to shove, I'd even consider telling him we'd bring Eric Staal back on a one year deal if he agrees to permanently waive his NMC. (Obviously lots of variables there, but just an example of stupid shit id be willing to do not to have to use the protection slot.

ten buyout candidates  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2016 9:17 am : link
opened up yesterday.

also PK Subban is "not being moved" per Bergevin. I don't want him traded, but his NMC kicks in July 1 and then he's much harder to move, so if he is going to be traded it would be in the next two weeks.

Obviously Bickell won't be bought out by CHI now that he's been traded, but maybe CAR. No one interests me on here. Maybe Dustin Brown for cheap depth but I think he thinks he's worth more than he is.

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10 NHL Buyout Candidates

Jared Clinton of The Hockey News: Looking at 10 players who could be bought out by their teams. The NHL buyout period opens up today.

Eric Nystrom Nashville Predators
Bryan Bickell Chicago Blackhawks
Dave Bolland Florida Panthers
Chris Higgins Vancouver Canucks
R.J. Umberger Philadelphia Flyers
Thomas Vanek Minnesota Wild
Kari Lehtonen Dallas Stars
Jared Cowen Toronto Maple Leafs
Fedor Tyutin Columbus Blue Jackets
Dustin Brown Los Angeles Kings


RE: ten buyout candidates  
pganut : 6/16/2016 9:20 am : link
In comment 12995985 pjcas18 said:
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opened up yesterday.

also PK Subban is "not being moved" per Bergevin. I don't want him traded, but his NMC kicks in July 1 and then he's much harder to move, so if he is going to be traded it would be in the next two weeks.

Obviously Bickell won't be bought out by CHI now that he's been traded, but maybe CAR. No one interests me on here. Maybe Dustin Brown for cheap depth but I think he thinks he's worth more than he is.



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10 NHL Buyout Candidates

Jared Clinton of The Hockey News: Looking at 10 players who could be bought out by their teams. The NHL buyout period opens up today.

Eric Nystrom Nashville Predators
Bryan Bickell Chicago Blackhawks
Dave Bolland Florida Panthers
Chris Higgins Vancouver Canucks
R.J. Umberger Philadelphia Flyers
Thomas Vanek Minnesota Wild
Kari Lehtonen Dallas Stars
Jared Cowen Toronto Maple Leafs
Fedor Tyutin Columbus Blue Jackets
Dustin Brown Los Angeles Kings
Cowan was bought out last night. I can also easily see DAL buying out Lehtonen...$10M of salaries between 2 goalies they don't trust, you know at least one will come off the books.
Apparently  
NYerInMA : 6/16/2016 10:42 am : link
CAR is going to re-sign Cam Ward for 2 more years. I don't think that's a good move; Cam is definitely past his expiration date.
Ward's deal  
NYerInMA : 6/16/2016 1:53 pm : link
is for 2 years, with an AAV of $3.3M and a limited NTC. I presume this is in preparation for the expansion draft next summer.
Please, take Staal  
Giants2012 : 6/16/2016 2:23 pm : link
anybody

RE: Ward's deal  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2016 2:47 pm : link
In comment 12996582 NYerInMA said:
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is for 2 years, with an AAV of $3.3M and a limited NTC. I presume this is in preparation for the expansion draft next summer.


Probably so, but I think that's a fair deal for Ward. I don't think the Hurricanes are legit contenders, and I'd guess most starting goalies make more than $3M. Ward made 6M last year.
Five less-heralded free agents who could provide the biggest bang for  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/16/2016 3:05 pm : link
#3...
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Maybe it's because he has spent his entire career with an Islanders team that never drew widespread attention. Or perhaps it's because he's been slotted behind John Tavares for the past seven seasons. Whatever the reason, the multifaceted Dane has never truly been acknowledged for the versatility he consistently brings to the rink. A key contributor on the Islanders' power play and penalty kill, Nielsen is also among the league's most consistent shootout scorers. Nielsen has expressed his intention to stay with the Islanders, but general manager Garth Snow will have some difficult decisions to make with several key forwards entering free agency, including Nielsen, Okposo and Matt Martin.

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Girardi has a NMC for all five years. ALL FIVE FREAKING YEARS.  
Anakim : 6/16/2016 3:30 pm : link
His agent deserves a firm handshake and Sather deserves a slap in the back of the head.
I wonder if the Stars now will be in the Marc Staal picture  
Anakim : 6/16/2016 4:41 pm : link
Nichushkin for Staal! Make it happen!
RE: Girardi has a NMC for all five years. ALL FIVE FREAKING YEARS.  
SethFromAstoria : 6/16/2016 4:48 pm : link
In comment 12996739 Anakim said:
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His agent deserves a firm handshake and Sather deserves a slap in the back of the head.


Dude let me ask you something since this is hilariously obsessed over everyday....

If the Rangers called Dan Girardi and his agent into their offices and said

"Dan you were a representative player here but quite frankly we agree with Anakim and Brett among others that you sir, suck a fucking ball sack at hockey and you do have this NMC however we'd heavily prefer you consider letting us know some teams you may want to go to. We are looking to make changes due to factors a, b, c, d, and we'd like to find common ground for you to go to a contender in a city you'd play in and part ways at this point. Your role on the team is no longer tenable and we don't want to scratch you every night or consider buying you out etc... So lets figure out where you'd play"


Do you truly think this guy would say no i refuse to move and wish to continue to sit on this roster that my team wants me off of aSap? I mean has it ever happened that way? I'm genuinely curious if there is a player who flat out refused to move and instead sat in the press box or played 1 minute per game.

Seth  
Anakim : 6/16/2016 4:55 pm : link
What's your point? Either way, it severely limits our options. Plus, a contender wouldn't necessarily be an interested party. Why? Because Girardi sucks and they allocate their cap space in more efficient ways than shitty teams do. A shitty team, however, that needs to reach the cap floor might be interested in Girardi's contract. However, not that we know he has a full NMC for the duration of his contract, I think it's safe to say that he won't waive it to go to a shitty team and/or a shitty city.
RE: RE: Girardi has a NMC for all five years. ALL FIVE FREAKING YEARS.  
NYerInMA : 6/16/2016 4:58 pm : link
In comment 12996862 SethFromAstoria said:
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In comment 12996739 Anakim said:


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His agent deserves a firm handshake and Sather deserves a slap in the back of the head.



Dude let me ask you something since this is hilariously obsessed over everyday....

If the Rangers called Dan Girardi and his agent into their offices and said

"Dan you were a representative player here but quite frankly we agree with Anakim and Brett among others that you sir, suck a fucking ball sack at hockey and you do have this NMC however we'd heavily prefer you consider letting us know some teams you may want to go to. We are looking to make changes due to factors a, b, c, d, and we'd like to find common ground for you to go to a contender in a city you'd play in and part ways at this point. Your role on the team is no longer tenable and we don't want to scratch you every night or consider buying you out etc... So lets figure out where you'd play"


Do you truly think this guy would say no i refuse to move and wish to continue to sit on this roster that my team wants me off of aSap? I mean has it ever happened that way? I'm genuinely curious if there is a player who flat out refused to move and instead sat in the press box or played 1 minute per game.


I actually agree with you here Seth. I've always thought that, for these guys, the desire to play supersedes the obsession with staying with one team. If a team tells a player that they're going to be benched or marginalized if they don't accept a trade, the player is most likely going to accept the trade, unless it's a trade to a dumpster fire of a team. It doesn't excuse the stupidity of management for handing out NMCs like candy, but it's not a guarantee that a player won't be moved. I think people need to be more upset that the Rangers can't see that Girardi/Staal/Glass are black holes that need to be moved ASAP. Where there's a will, there's a way.
It's also not a full NMC for all 5 years  
NYerInMA : 6/16/2016 5:00 pm : link
It's a full NMC for this year, then it becomes a NMC for demotion to the minors, but there's a modified NTC that kicks in which allows a trade to 15 teams.
Look at the Coyotes per Brett's post by some unknown guy  
Anakim : 6/16/2016 5:01 pm : link
They have more cap space than they know what to do with. They MIGHT be interested in Girardi to reach the cap floor.

But would Girardi waive his NMC to go to Arizona? Methinks not. Why would he? Is Arizona appealing? Maybe, but are the Coyotes any good? In the future, maybe but next year? Probably not.
RE: It's also not a full NMC for all 5 years  
Anakim : 6/16/2016 5:02 pm : link
In comment 12996884 NYerInMA said:
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It's a full NMC for this year, then it becomes a NMC for demotion to the minors, but there's a modified NTC that kicks in which allows a trade to 15 teams.


General Fanager ‏@generalfanager
Some NTC/NMC updates... first off:
Dan Girardi (#NYR) NMC includes all years of his deal
Actually, scratch that. You're right, NYer in MA  
Anakim : 6/16/2016 5:03 pm : link
He misreported. There is indeed a modified NMC for 2017-2019.
Saw that  
NYerInMA : 6/16/2016 5:04 pm : link
but you're missing the distinction.
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RE: I wonder if the Stars now will be in the Marc Staal picture  
bigbluehoya : 6/16/2016 6:34 pm : link
In comment 12996851 Anakim said:
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Nichushkin for Staal! Make it happen!


They had to let at least one D walk because of $. Near zero chance they'd look at Staal. Sounds like they've got NHL ready youngsters to slide up.
RE: Look at the Coyotes per Brett's post by some unknown guy  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2016 6:49 pm : link
In comment 12996885 Anakim said:
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They have more cap space than they know what to do with. They MIGHT be interested in Girardi to reach the cap floor.

But would Girardi waive his NMC to go to Arizona? Methinks not. Why would he? Is Arizona appealing? Maybe, but are the Coyotes any good? In the future, maybe but next year? Probably not.


The Coyotes are still paying Chris Pronger NEXT YEAR not to play so they could reach the salary floor. I get the feeling they're not so concerned with quality.

he hasn't been on the ice in 4 years.

I do wonder if they'll have a retirement ceremony for him after next year. as a joke or if they don't consider it funny.

This will be his second year on the Coyotes just to reach the salary floor. Don't bother getting actual players, spend $5M on Pronger.

I am sure there is shit I don't understand about that.
Umberger  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2016 7:34 pm : link
bought out
Trade  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2016 7:59 pm : link
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Alex Goligoski: NHL Defenseman Traded From Dallas Stars to Arizona Coyotes
The 10-year veteran was dealt Thursday in exchange for a 2016 fifth-round draft pick. Goligoski has played in 562 NHL games and won the Stanley Cup as a member of the Pittsburgh Penguins in 2009.
Goligoski wasn't traded, per se  
pganut : 6/16/2016 8:22 pm : link
Yotes acquired his negotiating rights. If not signed by July 1, he becomes an UFA. My guess is they do sign him, but there's a chance he never ends up there.
RE: Goligoski wasn't traded, per se  
Davisian : 6/16/2016 8:49 pm : link
In comment 12997130 pganut said:
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Yotes acquired his negotiating rights. If not signed by July 1, he becomes an UFA. My guess is they do sign him, but there's a chance he never ends up there.



Acquired him via trade.


Are we going to have to spend this whole thread explaining things to Islanders fans?


You people are the worst. per se



Hey....progress  
pganut : 6/16/2016 8:52 pm : link
You acknowledged we're people! Mooovin' on up...

Don't you have a pack of smokes to go through at a Phish concert or something, nature boy?
LOL  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2016 8:55 pm : link
"per se"

classic
We should do the same thing with Yandle if we can't re-sign him  
Anakim : 6/16/2016 10:03 pm : link
We need the picks
It's be great to get a pick for Yandle  
Davisian : 6/16/2016 10:29 pm : link
But not sure why anyone gave up one for Goligoski.

They're both top names on the UFA list and will get paid well. Absolutely no reason to sign a contract at this point with anyone without listening to the market.




Malkin  
Rover : 6/16/2016 10:44 pm : link
Might need tommy john surgery, MRI on Friday I believe.
Not a shocker, but Okposo  
bigbluehoya : 6/17/2016 10:51 am : link
About at close to "officially" done with NYI as possible at this point.

Apparently Snow just used the phrase "we wish him nothing but be best" in an interview this morning.
RE: Not a shocker, but Okposo  
pjcas18 : 6/17/2016 10:53 am : link
In comment 12997933 bigbluehoya said:
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About at close to "officially" done with NYI as possible at this point.

Apparently Snow just used the phrase "we wish him nothing but be best" in an interview this morning.


MTL a rumored destination.
RE: Not a shocker, but Okposo  
Dave M : 6/17/2016 12:18 pm : link
In comment 12997933 bigbluehoya said:
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About at close to "officially" done with NYI as possible at this point.

Apparently Snow just used the phrase "we wish him nothing but be best" in an interview this morning.


It was going to be tough to resign him anyway but that Voracek deal last season sealed it imo. Kyle will be missed and the Neil Smith era has come to an end.
Islanders fans...  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/17/2016 12:27 pm : link
Last year I went to the Blue & White scrimmage at Barclay's Center and it was a good time. About 8,000 people there. It's a scrimmage between all of the Islanders top prospects, followed by a skills competition.

So I picked up a pair of tix this year and didn't read the fine print... and by fine print I mean the bold, obvious print on the email. It's in East Meadow at the Northwell Health Ice Center. I can't make it out to Long Island for that.

Anyone want the tickets? No charge. Two available.
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Datsyuk heading back to Russia  
Davisian : 6/17/2016 12:51 pm : link
Wings will be on the hook.

RE: Datsyuk heading back to Russia  
pjcas18 : 6/17/2016 12:57 pm : link
In comment 12998140 Davisian said:
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Wings will be on the hook.


One of my favorite players to watch. So creative, excellent two-way player, one of the best I've seen, would have been a hall-of-famer if he came to the NHL earlier. Datsyuk is like a slightly better Bergeron - only slightly better fro an offensive skill standpoint - not even necessarily points, just skill - hard to describe.

Not shedding a tear for Detroit.

RE: Seth  
SethFromAstoria : 6/17/2016 5:56 pm : link
In comment 12996873 Anakim said:
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What's your point? Either way, it severely limits our options. Plus, a contender wouldn't necessarily be an interested party. Why? Because Girardi sucks and they allocate their cap space in more efficient ways than shitty teams do. A shitty team, however, that needs to reach the cap floor might be interested in Girardi's contract. However, not that we know he has a full NMC for the duration of his contract, I think it's safe to say that he won't waive it to go to a shitty team and/or a shitty city.



I guess what my point is, is that it doesn't limit anything if they want to get rid of him. What it does indicate is that the Rangers as an organization have many people in charge that don't know how bad he is even through they watch him play 20 minutes and practice everyday. It's a wonder they can put a pro team out there if they don't know that they have such a detrimental player. However I'm saying you won't shut up about this NMC and I'm saying its not relevant if the team wants him gone at all costs. So why even talk about it as though it's the major issue.
RE: RE: Seth  
Anakim : 6/17/2016 5:58 pm : link
In comment 12998652 SethFromAstoria said:
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In comment 12996873 Anakim said:


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What's your point? Either way, it severely limits our options. Plus, a contender wouldn't necessarily be an interested party. Why? Because Girardi sucks and they allocate their cap space in more efficient ways than shitty teams do. A shitty team, however, that needs to reach the cap floor might be interested in Girardi's contract. However, not that we know he has a full NMC for the duration of his contract, I think it's safe to say that he won't waive it to go to a shitty team and/or a shitty city.




I guess what my point is, is that it doesn't limit anything if they want to get rid of him. What it does indicate is that the Rangers as an organization have many people in charge that don't know how bad he is even through they watch him play 20 minutes and practice everyday. It's a wonder they can put a pro team out there if they don't know that they have such a detrimental player. However I'm saying you won't shut up about this NMC and I'm saying its not relevant if the team wants him gone at all costs. So why even talk about it as though it's the major issue.


Because it is for exactly the reason(s) I stated. A shitty team might be interested in getting Girardi only to reach the cap floor. However, would Girardi accept a trade to a shitty team? Probably not.
Ahti Oskanen  
bigbluehoya : 6/18/2016 9:04 am : link
Signed a 1 year deal with the Wolfpack. Some people thought he could be signed to an NHL roster straight away. Sounds like he's got some real potential.
Some Islanders tidbits  
pganut : 6/19/2016 10:28 am : link
From Staple's article yesterday, based on Snow's Friday appearance on NHL on XM:
- Sources indicated that Snow would be willing to move that first-round pick as part of a package for an established NHL forward if the Isles GM can find a deal to his liking.
- With an expectation of the cap being flat, some specualtion that some surprising names in the NHL may be moved.
- Sources indicated that Snow and Marc Levine, Frans Nielsens agent, have been in contact on a long-term deal in recent days.
- Snow said on Friday he doesnt see a trade to move up the draft board, but perhaps down to collect an extra pick.
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I dont think well try to move up. Its tough, he said. We dont have a second round pick. We traded our third round pick to get Shane Prince at the deadline this year. In order to maneuver up in the draft, you usually need more draft picks. Were happy with the prospects we have, so I dont envision us trading one of them, or anyone from our current lineup to move up.

Names being heard for possible picks at 19 if the Isles retain their pick: Long Beachs Charlie McAvoy (D), who currently attends Boston University. Among forwards, winger Kieffer Bellows, son of former NHLer Brian, would be a catch; so would Alex DeBrincat, the 5-foot-7 Michigan native who has back-to-back 51-goal seasons for Erie of the Ontario League, where DeBrincat played with Connor McDavid and Dylan Strome.

Personally, if available at the Isles' pick, I'd be happy with Julien Gauthier. 6'4", 225lb RW with Val D'Or in the Q. Explosive, nasty, skilled and coachable.
No better way to spend  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2016 9:01 am : link
5 minutes this morning than watching this video on the legacy of Pavel Datsyuk
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some guy named James Mirtle  
bigbluehoya : 6/20/2016 10:16 am : link
mentions Arizona as a destination for Stepan.

Also separately tweeted that there will be at least one trade today. At this point on the calendar you could blindly say something like that and hit with 70%+ accuracy, but I'm thirsting for news so I'll consciously decide to put some stock in it.


Rangers home opener is 10/13 against the Islanders.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/20/2016 12:04 pm : link
.
Well as a season ticket holder...  
MetsAreBack : 6/20/2016 12:22 pm : link
that is annoying. Islanders are an easy sell at any time - wish they hosted a non-rival opponent for the opener.
Habs  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2016 12:22 pm : link
open 10/18 against the Pens.
Figure this is the week  
Kyle in NY : 6/20/2016 12:23 pm : link
for the Rangers to make their moves. Should be interesting. No idea what to expect.
RE: Figure this is the week  
Anakim : 6/20/2016 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13000931 Kyle in NY said:
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for the Rangers to make their moves. Should be interesting. No idea what to expect.


My prediction is Derek Stepan gets traded before or during the Draft
Feels like something big is coming  
Kyle in NY : 6/20/2016 12:38 pm : link
I agree. Word is that just about everyone short of Hank and McD have been discussed.
RE: Feels like something big is coming  
Anakim : 6/20/2016 12:51 pm : link
In comment 13000973 Kyle in NY said:
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I agree. Word is that just about everyone short of Hank and McD have been discussed.


I agree. And I do think the Rangers will make a run at Stamkos at Sather's urging.
Islanders home opener, October 16 vs. the Ducks  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/20/2016 12:54 pm : link
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RE: Islanders home opener, October 16 vs. the Ducks  
Anakim : 6/20/2016 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13000992 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Ours is against you bastids on the 13th
Based on the complete list of openers  
NYerInMA : 6/20/2016 1:11 pm : link
It looks like opening night is Oct. 12th, and features SL @ CHI, CAL @ EDM, TOR @ OTT, and LA @ SJ.
RE: RE: Islanders home opener, October 16 vs. the Ducks  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/20/2016 1:11 pm : link
In comment 13001008 Anakim said:
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In comment 13000992 Mike in Long Beach said:


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Ours is against you bastids on the 13th


Yep, Brett posted it above!
According to Staple  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/20/2016 1:11 pm : link
Your home opener against us is our first game of the year, overall.
Isles are also the Caps' home opener on 10/15  
pganut : 6/20/2016 1:15 pm : link
Three games in 4 nights to start the season. That's about right.
I believe this is the 1st time the Rangers play the Islanders in a...  
Drewcon40 : 6/20/2016 1:16 pm : link
...home opener since 1997. I recently found a bunch of VHS tapes and popped them in. I had that game on tape. 1st regular season game post Messier part 1. Bryan Berard and Brian Leetch (new Rangers captain) were the talk of pregame.

I love the summer but man do I miss hockey already.
I would love to trade the  
The 12th Man : 6/20/2016 1:50 pm : link
rights to Kyle Okoposo for a draft pick. This is going to be a very important off season for the Islanders. I am very interested in seeing how this off season plays out.
Andersen goalie from ducks  
Fish : 6/20/2016 5:23 pm : link
Traded to leafs for draft picks
It's so hard being so popular  
Anakim : 6/20/2016 5:26 pm : link
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‏@adater Adrian Dater Retweeted Darren Dreger
Shattenkirk wants to play for the Rangers, but no cap room
RE: Andersen goalie from ducks  
pganut : 6/20/2016 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13001478 Fish said:
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Traded to leafs for draft picks
Freddy Andersen to TOR in exchange for a 2016 1st rounder (looks like pick #30) and 2017 2nd rounder.
...  
MetsAreBack : 6/20/2016 5:32 pm : link
I do think Shattenkirk will be a Ranger this year. It will cost us McIlraith+ going to St Louis, and Stepan will likely also be traded for picks to give us the cap space, but I think KS will be Yandle's replacement.

I'd much rather deal Nash and Staal.... than Stepan and other younger players... but there seems to be a lot of smoke here... Stepan sounds like a goner.
Toronto  
MetsAreBack : 6/20/2016 5:33 pm : link
I mean I don't know what their timeline/gameplan is, but Anderson + Stamkos + Yandle... if that's the direction they go while holding onto JVR... I mean they could be back to the postseason as soon as this year.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/20/2016 5:37 pm : link
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‏@FriedgeHNIC
Hearing FLA working on a trade to acquire rights to Keith Yandle from NYR
Lot of Yandle talk out there on twitter  
Giants2012 : 6/20/2016 5:38 pm : link
Two picks and Panthers ?
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Anakim : 6/20/2016 5:43 pm : link
George Richards--Verified account
‏@GeorgeRichards
.@FlaPanthers getting the negotiating rights to UFA defenseman Keith Yandle for a draft pick as well as a conditional if he signs.
6th rounder apparently  
MetsAreBack : 6/20/2016 5:51 pm : link
well.. we had no shot at him anyway.
do you guys like Shattenkirk  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2016 5:56 pm : link
better than Yandle?

I like Shattenkirk better than Yandle 3 years from now  
MetsAreBack : 6/20/2016 6:01 pm : link
and I like him at his cap hit better. So, yes.

My ideal offseason is Nash and Staal are traded for a couple of picks or prospects and we acquire Shattenkirk for McIlraith and a prospect. Pipedream on my part, but that's my hope.
Of course we had a shot at Yandle  
NYerInMA : 6/20/2016 6:02 pm : link
Gorton/AV/Sather just aren't willing to get rid of Girardi/Staal/Nash to clear the necessary space. The team is going to be significantly weakened by Yandle's absence, unless they land Shattenkirk or someone comparable.
RE: do you guys like Shattenkirk  
Anakim : 6/20/2016 6:03 pm : link
In comment 13001509 pjcas18 said:
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better than Yandle?


Not I. I think Yandle is better offensively and defensively.
Sorry, but we should've gotten more  
Anakim : 6/20/2016 6:05 pm : link
If Jimmy Vesey can net a third and Nick Spaling can net a second, we should've gotten more than a sixth and a conditional fourth.
As has been discussed many, many times  
MetsAreBack : 6/20/2016 6:06 pm : link
all three of those guys have NMCs. Girardi is not moveable - its keep him and hope he gets plucked in next year's expansion draft, or buy him out and have significant dead cap money for the next 8 years.

Nash and Staal are hopefully moveable but it wont be easy. Rumor has it other teams want NYR to eat 30% of Staal's contract.

And Yandle is going to get paid a fortune on the wrong side of 30. This officially marks the end of what was one of the worst trades in Rangers franchise history - made because Sather didn't care about the long-term of this organization.
RE: RE: do you guys like Shattenkirk  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2016 6:07 pm : link
In comment 13001518 Anakim said:
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In comment 13001509 pjcas18 said:


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better than Yandle?




Not I. I think Yandle is better offensively and defensively.


I think they're eerily similar. But all things being equal I'd take Shattenkirk. Both get pushed around in front of the net, and are more offensive minded than defensive, but I'd make Shattenkirk a top 2 defenseman, worst case top 4 and I wouldn't feel like i had to pair him with a stay at home defenseman. He has better instincts IMO.

I like Yandle better on the PP, but Shattenkirk is good there too.

they're a lot alike IMO, so the cheaper of the two is maybe the better.
Great start to the Rangers off-season! WTF! SMH!  
TheMick7 : 6/20/2016 6:10 pm : link
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If the Rangers want Shattenkirk  
bigbluehoya : 6/20/2016 6:12 pm : link
they really ought to be waiting until next offseason when they don't need to give anything up and don't have to use a protection slot on him.
I'm really curious  
Kyle in NY : 6/20/2016 6:12 pm : link
What kind of efforts have been made to move Staal/Girardi.
RE: If the Rangers want Shattenkirk  
MetsAreBack : 6/20/2016 6:13 pm : link
In comment 13001532 bigbluehoya said:
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they really ought to be waiting until next offseason when they don't need to give anything up and don't have to use a protection slot on him.



Fair point, forgot about this protection slot stuff.
RE: As has been discussed many, many times  
SethFromAstoria : 6/20/2016 6:14 pm : link
In comment 13001523 MetsAreBack said:
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all three of those guys have NMCs. Girardi is not moveable - its keep him and hope he gets plucked in next year's expansion draft, or buy him out and have significant dead cap money for the next 8 years.

Nash and Staal are hopefully moveable but it wont be easy. Rumor has it other teams want NYR to eat 30% of Staal's contract.

And Yandle is going to get paid a fortune on the wrong side of 30. This officially marks the end of what was one of the worst trades in Rangers franchise history - made because Sather didn't care about the long-term of this organization.


Holy fuckin dumb.
I love you too  
MetsAreBack : 6/20/2016 6:15 pm : link

You are literally the only person in North America that thinks Girardi is a good player. It's cute.
Staal and Girardi's contraces have absolutely crippled this team  
Anakim : 6/20/2016 6:16 pm : link
We had to say goodbye to Stralman, Hagelin and now Yandle because Sather gave those two absurd contracts.
So, my Rangers friends...  
pganut : 6/20/2016 6:21 pm : link
With Yandle out of the salary picture, so goes a minimum anticipated contract with a $5.25M cap number on it. Does that create room, in a flat cap, for you to puke up $2M/year for each of 2 yrs for Boomer's future son in law? If so, is that contingent upon also ridding yourselves of AV's boy, Tanner Glass?
RE: So, my Rangers friends...  
NYerInMA : 6/20/2016 6:26 pm : link
In comment 13001541 pganut said:
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With Yandle out of the salary picture, so goes a minimum anticipated contract with a $5.25M cap number on it. Does that create room, in a flat cap, for you to puke up $2M/year for each of 2 yrs for Boomer's future son in law? If so, is that contingent upon also ridding yourselves of AV's boy, Tanner Glass?


There's no reason to have Glass or Martin on the roster, ever.
RE: RE: If the Rangers want Shattenkirk  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2016 6:41 pm : link
In comment 13001534 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 13001532 bigbluehoya said:


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they really ought to be waiting until next offseason when they don't need to give anything up and don't have to use a protection slot on him.




Fair point, forgot about this protection slot stuff.


Shattenkirk is a FA after this coming season. so he's not going to get much in return and is very possibly unlikely to be selected because he'd need a new contract, not sure how that works if he's selected in the expansion draft but doesn't come to agreement on a contract.

One if you guys probably knows.
For what it's worth  
bigbluehoya : 6/20/2016 6:45 pm : link
The 1 year of Shattenkirk is being talked about broadly as requiring a very high return. If it didn't, they'd just hold him until the trade deadline.

I don't even know if the expansion club would be allowed to pick him, but basically they would be doing so only for cap space. He'd still be a UFA with no strings on 7/1. In theory they'd have 10 days negotiating advantage.
Realy enjoyed watching Yandle play  
Kyle in NY : 6/20/2016 7:47 pm : link
he did about as well as could have been expected once they took the reigns off.

But history will not be kind to that trade unfortunately. I get the idea of going for it. But...ugh
RE: For what it's worth  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2016 7:50 pm : link
In comment 13001578 bigbluehoya said:
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The 1 year of Shattenkirk is being talked about broadly as requiring a very high return. If it didn't, they'd just hold him until the trade deadline.

I don't even know if the expansion club would be allowed to pick him, but basically they would be doing so only for cap space. He'd still be a UFA with no strings on 7/1. In theory they'd have 10 days negotiating advantage.


at the deadline he'll be a short-term rental, how would he be more valuable then? they are unlikely to extend him, and he'll be a FA after the season. I like him, but I'm not giving up a ton for him.
What did they give up for yandle ?  
djm : 6/20/2016 8:00 pm : link
Wasn't it two 2nd rounders? So they gave up two second rounders for two years of yandle and the 3rd and 6th. Not good but one of the worst rangers of all time? Not quite that bad.
way off  
djm : 6/20/2016 8:03 pm : link
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The Rangers acquired defenseman Keith Yandle, defenseman Chris Summers and a fourth-round pick in 2016 in exchange for defenseman John Moore, top prospect Anthony Duclair, a lottery-protected first-round draft pick in 2016 and a second-round pick in 2015. The Coyotes also are retaining 50 percent of Yandle's salary...
Can't wait for Stamkos  
Giants2012 : 6/20/2016 8:05 pm : link
to sign in NY for $300 million once the rest of the team is moved out.
Read  
Giantfootball025 : 6/20/2016 10:30 pm : link
a rumor that involved Nash to Anaheim for Fowler. I don't now how it would work though wihtout keeping a large amount of Nash salary and why the Rangers would do that.
I dunno about Nash straight up for Fowler  
MetsAreBack : 6/21/2016 9:23 am : link
Anaheim has the cap space and Nash gives them a much needed boost offensively (while also giving them terrific PK and overall defense play).

Now if its Nash + Girardi for Fowler... I'm all in !
this is only a rumor from another site...  
Drewcon40 : 6/21/2016 9:33 am : link
...that referenced "The Hockey Press". I am not claiming to be an asshat. This was from HFBoards

Fowler, Theodore, Silfverberg + cond 5th for Nash, 25% retained, Skapski, a cond 3rd, + 2 AHLers

2 AHLers could mean a promising player.

Shea Theodore would be a great add for a rebuild/retool. This looks too good in favor of the Rangers to be true.

If posting these rumors adds to frustration, kindly let me know. I am just sharing what I read on another site.
Drewcon  
bigbluehoya : 6/21/2016 9:36 am : link
I don't think you're adding to anyone's frustration, but I will say that particular rumor looks completely fabricated. That would be an incredibly bad deal for Anaheim.
thanks BBH  
Drewcon40 : 6/21/2016 9:39 am : link
As recent as last year, many of us Ranger fans awaited this incredible Talbot trade. So until some of the beat writers start to report any smoke, I'll assume nothing is doing. The other rumor I read (maybe here?) was Stepan (not to the Wild but to the Blue Jackets) along with Fast for Hartnell and their 1st rounder.
That one seems a lot more realistic.  
bigbluehoya : 6/21/2016 9:44 am : link
And I don't like it.

a) I will vomit if I ever have to root for anything other than Scott Hartnell getting the shit beat out of him
b) Rangers need to be adding to their forecheck, not using their best forechecker as an add-in.

This deal would be somewhat palatable in the context of a complete tear-down job. Doesn't fit in with a "re-tool" as it makes the NHL roster significantly worse without any substantial immediate cap relief.
Nash is pretty much the Rangers best overall forward  
djm : 6/21/2016 10:27 am : link
be careful about dealing him just to shed salary. Rangers would take a big hit if Nash isn't adequately replaced. I'd rather compliment him but I know the Rangers are salary fucked in some ways.

Nash straight up for Fowler would suck  
Anakim : 6/21/2016 10:28 am : link
I like Fowler but he's a pretty big drop-off from Yandle. He's also not strong defensively. He'd be relegated to sheltered minutes on the third pair with McIlrath probably (funny that we'd come full circle).
Got  
Giantfootball025 : 6/21/2016 10:37 am : link
a feeling the Rangers are going to be making a lot of moves, and the ultimate goal is to rebuild. If that's the case there is no reason to keep Hank. Why let him waste away his last few years with a young team?
RE: Got  
Giants2012 : 6/21/2016 10:45 am : link
In comment 13002216 Giantfootball025 said:
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a feeling the Rangers are going to be making a lot of moves, and the ultimate goal is to rebuild. If that's the case there is no reason to keep Hank. Why let him waste away his last few years with a young team?


I think the Rangers will dump a ton of salary, obtain some young talent, some draft picks and then sign Stamkos. In typical Rangers fashion, once we start enjoying the kids and see the holes the trade deadline will result in trading the kids away for costly veterans and the cycle continues.

I think a lot of people are over-stating  
bigbluehoya : 6/21/2016 10:59 am : link
the Rangers current state of disrepair.

There's no defending the Girardi and Staal contracts. Point conceded.

The Nash contract isn't half the albatross many fans would have you believe it is. He still brings a lot to the table and he'll be moved.

They have a handful of extremely high value contracts in McDonagh, Zuccarello, Brassard, and Klein. On the open market, that's probably somewhere between $20-25m worth of value that's costing the Rangers, what, somewhere between $15-17m of cap? (Didn't do the exact math, just spitballing there).

There are some really promising young players under control (Miller, Kreider, Hayes, Fast, Skjei, Buch).

Trading Stepan is hardly "selling the kids for the shiny". It would be liquidating a player who gets paid his full market value, avoiding another NMC, and replenishing some assets while likely also freeing up some money to term out some of the young RFAs.

The FO isn't without their share of significant mistakes, but by any large the organization has provided it's fans with a pretty darn good product for going on ten years. Yes, the cup is still missing.

I'm a little surprised by how overwhelmingly negative some of the outlooks are, even if everything isn't all sunshine and rainbows.
Best post  
Fish : 6/21/2016 11:09 am : link
From a rags fan in a long time. The rest need to settle down.
RE: As has been discussed many, many times  
Andy in Halifax : 6/21/2016 11:11 am : link
In comment 13001523 MetsAreBack said:
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all three of those guys have NMCs. Girardi is not moveable - its keep him and hope he gets plucked in next year's expansion draft, or buy him out and have significant dead cap money for the next 8 years.

NMC's have to be protected in the expansion draft.
Girardi's contract  
bigbluehoya : 6/21/2016 11:13 am : link
Becomes a modified NTC for the expansion draft. It's widely believed he won't need to be protected (pending final expansion rules)
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/21/2016 11:17 am : link
Andy, if the NMC turns into a NTC on July 1, 2017 it might be able to be exposed. The rules are unclear right now.

Great post, Hoya. I've been a vocal critic of some of the moves in recent years, but we should probably wait until the weekend/free agency to be critical (or optimistic).
Thanks for clarification.  
Andy in Halifax : 6/21/2016 11:19 am : link
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Rick Nash scored 40 goals 2 seasons ago  
Dave M : 6/21/2016 11:23 am : link
That's great production. Yeah, he's a dud in the playoffs but that's not all on him.
RE: Rick Nash scored 40 goals 2 seasons ago  
feelflows : 6/21/2016 11:28 am : link
In comment 13002306 Dave M said:
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That's great production. Yeah, he's a dud in the playoffs but that's not all on him.


I like Nash. He is 32 and slowing down, but still productive. Not at that contract, though.

RE: Rick Nash scored 40 goals 2 seasons ago  
BrettNYG10 : 6/21/2016 11:30 am : link
In comment 13002306 Dave M said:
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That's great production. Yeah, he's a dud in the playoffs but that's not all on him.


I'd also add that Nash had a decent, not great, 2015 post-season and was good in 2016 (small sample size, obviously). He was awful in 2013 and 2014, though.
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arcarsenal : 6/21/2016 11:31 am : link
I think the Rangers are going to have to take a step back to take steps forward.. which is fine. I'm anticipating this coming year likely being another 1 and done (maybe not even making the playoffs but being close). Not the end of the world. We still have assets and young talent. It's not something that needs to be blown up completely but it's going to take a decent amount of re-tooling.
RE: I think a lot of people are over-stating  
feelflows : 6/21/2016 11:34 am : link
In comment 13002259 bigbluehoya said:
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the Rangers current state of disrepair.

There's no defending the Girardi and Staal contracts. Point conceded.

The Nash contract isn't half the albatross many fans would have you believe it is. He still brings a lot to the table and he'll be moved.

They have a handful of extremely high value contracts in McDonagh, Zuccarello, Brassard, and Klein. On the open market, that's probably somewhere between $20-25m worth of value that's costing the Rangers, what, somewhere between $15-17m of cap? (Didn't do the exact math, just spitballing there).

There are some really promising young players under control (Miller, Kreider, Hayes, Fast, Skjei, Buch).

Trading Stepan is hardly "selling the kids for the shiny". It would be liquidating a player who gets paid his full market value, avoiding another NMC, and replenishing some assets while likely also freeing up some money to term out some of the young RFAs.

The FO isn't without their share of significant mistakes, but by any large the organization has provided it's fans with a pretty darn good product for going on ten years. Yes, the cup is still missing.

I'm a little surprised by how overwhelmingly negative some of the outlooks are, even if everything isn't all sunshine and rainbows.


do you think that the Rangers will have to eat significant money to move Nash for value?

He's due $8M & $8.2M the next two years.

I'm not saying they can't move him, I just think that for an OK return there will have to be salary retention.
RE: .  
feelflows : 6/21/2016 11:37 am : link
In comment 13002320 arcarsenal said:
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I think the Rangers are going to have to take a step back to take steps forward.. which is fine. I'm anticipating this coming year likely being another 1 and done (maybe not even making the playoffs but being close). Not the end of the world. We still have assets and young talent. It's not something that needs to be blown up completely but it's going to take a decent amount of re-tooling.


Their biggest obstacles after they move some contracts will be:

1) lack of draft picks
2) when they DO have picks, they are later (due to success)

I think most of the guys that the Rangers want to move are moveable IF they waive the NTC and the Rangers retain salary. The flat cap leaves little wiggle room for other teams to maneuver.

Sounds like there may be a deal  
NYerInMA : 6/21/2016 11:37 am : link
sending Bishop to Calgary from TB.
It's a sliding scale in my mind  
bigbluehoya : 6/21/2016 11:41 am : link
Return goes up with the amount retained.

Depends what the FO is keen on doing. If they want to go balls out on Stammer (note: I'm not necessarily advocating this) you accept the lower return from somebody who will take the whole contract. If they're focused on the pipeline, eat $2-3M of it and max out the value coming back.

At the end of the day, I think 2 years is actually a great remaining term for a trade. It's not a rental and it has huge upside, but it also isn't going to hurt anyone long term.

I think eating something like $2m could be a happy medium where you get some nice value while also freeing up $5m.

It's heavily dependent on the trading partner though. Maybe you don't need to retain, but you effectively do so in taking back a contract that the other trading partner doesn't love.
RE: Sounds like there may be a deal  
feelflows : 6/21/2016 11:41 am : link
In comment 13002337 NYerInMA said:
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sending Bishop to Calgary from TB.


they tried for Fleury, but apparently the Pens are asking a kings ransom.

RE: Sounds like there may be a deal  
arcarsenal : 6/21/2016 11:44 am : link
In comment 13002337 NYerInMA said:
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sending Bishop to Calgary from TB.


Any word on what CGY would be sending back?
Pens  
Giantfootball025 : 6/21/2016 11:45 am : link
going to get something good for MAF. Only hope is Murray just had a great run and will settle back down. Can't stand seeing the Pens win and get better.
RE: It's a sliding scale in my mind  
feelflows : 6/21/2016 11:45 am : link
In comment 13002347 bigbluehoya said:
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Return goes up with the amount retained.

Depends what the FO is keen on doing. If they want to go balls out on Stammer (note: I'm not necessarily advocating this) you accept the lower return from somebody who will take the whole contract. If they're focused on the pipeline, eat $2-3M of it and max out the value coming back.

At the end of the day, I think 2 years is actually a great remaining term for a trade. It's not a rental and it has huge upside, but it also isn't going to hurt anyone long term.

I think eating something like $2m could be a happy medium where you get some nice value while also freeing up $5m.

It's heavily dependent on the trading partner though. Maybe you don't need to retain, but you effectively do so in taking back a contract that the other trading partner doesn't love.


I agree with everything here, basically.

It's a tough decision for a team, with the cap not going up. He scored 15 goals this year. The year before? 42.

I actually think his greatest trade value will be when the available players are taken (Lucic, Stamkos and company) and a team still needs a scorer. Then it's worth the gamble.
Bennett  
Giantfootball025 : 6/21/2016 11:46 am : link
and the #6 to TB?
nvm  
Giantfootball025 : 6/21/2016 11:47 am : link
these fake accounts kill me sometimes.
RE: RE: Sounds like there may be a deal  
feelflows : 6/21/2016 11:48 am : link
In comment 13002355 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13002337 NYerInMA said:


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sending Bishop to Calgary from TB.



Any word on what CGY would be sending back?


I read they were "working" on a deal.

That being said, the Pens asked Calgary for the 6th pick in return for Fleury..a 31 year old goalie with concussion problems.

brilliant.
Vinny Lecavalier retired today.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/21/2016 12:25 pm : link
Is he a HOFer?
RE: Vinny Lecavalier retired today.  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2016 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13002430 BrettNYG10 said:
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Is he a HOFer?


No
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/21/2016 12:32 pm : link
Is that a 'you're a dumbass for asking' no or a 'close but still no' no?

He seems borderline for me, but the falloff in the last few years makes me think he doesn't get in.
I see a rumor  
Fish : 6/21/2016 12:56 pm : link
sending Hank to Florida for Campbell (replaces Yandle) and Montoya who wants to come back to the Rangers. Frees up tons of cap space for Rags so Rags can link their names up to every NHL player.








P.S. Rumor originated from BBI Islanders fans so fuck off.
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Anakim : 6/21/2016 12:57 pm : link
Dreger: I know the #Bruins offered a first-rounder for Shattenkirk.
RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2016 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13002453 BrettNYG10 said:
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Is that a 'you're a dumbass for asking' no or a 'close but still no' no?

He seems borderline for me, but the falloff in the last few years makes me think he doesn't get in.


No, sorry I think he's probably borderline, but doesn't have the stats or honestly the game to get in. his peak was far too short. He had two great seasons and fell of a cliff at the end.

Hall of very good, not hall of fame.



RE: .  
Giantfootball025 : 6/21/2016 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13002528 Anakim said:
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Dreger: I know the #Bruins offered a first-rounder for Shattenkirk.


Good thing we traded away all ours. I really like Shattenkirk, but I don't see a way Rangers could get him. I'm really hoping a guy like Vatanen from Ana is avail. and/or Dumba. We need to rebuild the D badly. I want to remain optimistic but it gets harder and harder the more I look at some of the contracts we have and picks we don't.
Complete 2016-17 NYR schedule  
NYerInMA : 6/21/2016 1:08 pm : link
On Twitter.
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RE: RE: .  
Anakim : 6/21/2016 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13002547 Giantfootball025 said:
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Dreger: I know the #Bruins offered a first-rounder for Shattenkirk.



Good thing we traded away all ours. I really like Shattenkirk, but I don't see a way Rangers could get him. I'm really hoping a guy like Vatanen from Ana is avail. and/or Dumba. We need to rebuild the D badly. I want to remain optimistic but it gets harder and harder the more I look at some of the contracts we have and picks we don't.


Vatanen re-signed with the Ducks to a long-term deal. He's not going anywhere. Hopefully the Dumba/Stepan rumor is true. Getting rid of Girardi + Dumba + a first rounder = absolute gold.
And on the NYR website, easier to read  
NYerInMA : 6/21/2016 1:09 pm : link
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Rangers' website - ( New Window )
I have this feeling that Gorton  
Davisian : 6/21/2016 1:23 pm : link
Will get a first rounder somehow this weekend.

#hearditherefirst

RE: I have this feeling that Gorton  
Anakim : 6/21/2016 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13002582 Davisian said:
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Will get a first rounder somehow this weekend.

#hearditherefirst


Friday night, you mean ;)

And you know the rule. If you know something, you need to spill your guts! Don't be like that douchebag who just posted a picture of an eraser.
I got stugotz  
Davisian : 6/21/2016 1:27 pm : link
Just a hunch.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/21/2016 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13002536 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13002453 BrettNYG10 said:


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Is that a 'you're a dumbass for asking' no or a 'close but still no' no?

He seems borderline for me, but the falloff in the last few years makes me think he doesn't get in.



No, sorry I think he's probably borderline, but doesn't have the stats or honestly the game to get in. his peak was far too short. He had two great seasons and fell of a cliff at the end.

Hall of very good, not hall of fame.




Yeah, that's where I came out - I was surprised to see him 94th in all time points, didn't think he was that high. If he had a few more good seasons, or won a Hart, maybe.

I think it's nuts Lindros isn't in (I think we've discussed this before).
RE: And on the NYR website, easier to read  
Mad Mike : 6/21/2016 2:17 pm : link
In comment 13002555 NYerInMA said:
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I guess this is old news, but I hadn't realized they were giving teams bye weeks (though they're not full weeks) starting this year. Rangers off from Jan 8 - jan 12. I can understand the players wanting that, but as a fan I think I'll find it pretty annoying. (Unless it coincides with some significant injuries).
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pjcas18 : 6/21/2016 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13002654 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 13002536 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 13002453 BrettNYG10 said:


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Is that a 'you're a dumbass for asking' no or a 'close but still no' no?

He seems borderline for me, but the falloff in the last few years makes me think he doesn't get in.



No, sorry I think he's probably borderline, but doesn't have the stats or honestly the game to get in. his peak was far too short. He had two great seasons and fell of a cliff at the end.

Hall of very good, not hall of fame.






Yeah, that's where I came out - I was surprised to see him 94th in all time points, didn't think he was that high. If he had a few more good seasons, or won a Hart, maybe.

I think it's nuts Lindros isn't in (I think we've discussed this before).


I didn't even realize Lindros wasn't it. He would have made it, but injuries and Scott Stevens I guess ended that possibility.

RE: RE: And on the NYR website, easier to read  
NYerInMA : 6/21/2016 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13002748 Mad Mike said:
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. Rangers' website - ( New Window )


I guess this is old news, but I hadn't realized they were giving teams bye weeks (though they're not full weeks) starting this year. Rangers off from Jan 8 - jan 12. I can understand the players wanting that, but as a fan I think I'll find it pretty annoying. (Unless it coincides with some significant injuries).


Yeah, and the Rangers are also off for 6 days at the end of January for the All-Star Break, so they do not play much in January. I don't mind the idea of a bye week, but I don't get why the league would make it two weeks before the All-Star Break. As much as I like seeing NHL players in the Olympics, that two-week break during the Games is brutal.
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arcarsenal : 6/21/2016 3:02 pm : link
Blackhawks potentially trying to get a hold of Malkin?

Oy vey.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/21/2016 3:04 pm : link
Pj, he'll probably get in this year - the crop is weak. Last year's was strong, IIRC.

To support arc, from Steve Zipay: Hearing Blackhawks seriously kicking tires on Evgeni Malkin. Will be interesting to see how they create cap space...
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pjcas18 : 6/21/2016 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13002862 BrettNYG10 said:
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Pj, he'll probably get in this year - the crop is weak. Last year's was strong, IIRC.

To support arc, from Steve Zipay: Hearing Blackhawks seriously kicking tires on Evgeni Malkin. Will be interesting to see how they create cap space...


trade Crawford? He'd have to be attractive to a team like Dallas or one of those teams who feel like they're a goalie away from legit contender.

he'd only get then part way there though.

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Anakim : 6/21/2016 5:11 pm : link
Jim Matheson
‏@NHLbyMatty
Shattenkirk, UFA in 2017, would sign with NYR or Bruins. Edm? How about Rick Nash/Shattenkirk trade idea?
Rumors have been crazy for Stamkos so far  
JayBinQueens : 6/21/2016 5:27 pm : link
on the reddit nhl page, they have articles posted that the Sabres are willing to go $12m/year and Det is wiling to go $10m/7

Is he really that good?
RE: Rumors have been crazy for Stamkos so far  
feelflows : 6/21/2016 5:29 pm : link
In comment 13003218 JayBinQueens said:
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on the reddit nhl page, they have articles posted that the Sabres are willing to go $12m/year and Det is wiling to go $10m/7

Is he really that good?


I think he is.
He's that good  
Giantfootball025 : 6/21/2016 5:39 pm : link
but his injury history is the only thing that may prevent him from getting those types of deals from every team with the available space.
RE: Rumors have been crazy for Stamkos so far  
MetsAreBack : 6/21/2016 5:42 pm : link
In comment 13003218 JayBinQueens said:
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on the reddit nhl page, they have articles posted that the Sabres are willing to go $12m/year and Det is wiling to go $10m/7

Is he really that good?


He's the 9th youngest player in the history of the league to reach 300 goals. Before his blood clots issue he was EASILY worth $14 million per year.

But blood clots are some scary shit. Detroit is smart to offer that many years... but Stamkos is an idiot if he only takes $10mm. He should consider a 3-4 year deal at $12-13 million per which would still leave him in line for another huge second free agent deal at age 29-30, probably with Toronto if TOR feels like its too early in its rebuild process to add SS now.
By the way another 15 back-to-backs again for the Blue Shirts  
MetsAreBack : 6/21/2016 5:45 pm : link
this year after leading the league at 17 last season. Ho-hum.

Also 7 sunday night home games in October-December during football season. As a season ticket holder those are extremely difficult sells and there's very little energy in the building aside from some of the completely hammered Giants/Jets fans that have made their way over from the Meadowlands earlier in the day. Thanks Dolan.
RE: By the way another 15 back-to-backs again for the Blue Shirts  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/21/2016 5:50 pm : link
In comment 13003243 MetsAreBack said:
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this year after leading the league at 17 last season. Ho-hum.

Also 7 sunday night home games in October-December during football season. As a season ticket holder those are extremely difficult sells and there's very little energy in the building aside from some of the completely hammered Giants/Jets fans that have made their way over from the Meadowlands earlier in the day. Thanks Dolan.


The refs, Toronto, now the schedule-makers!

When will this senseless persecution of the Rangers end!
You're an idiot  
MetsAreBack : 6/21/2016 6:04 pm : link

and I mean that lovingly. Sunday night is on Dolan, not the league. Ton of un-sellable games early in the year.
More chatter re: Isles  
pganut : 6/21/2016 8:55 pm : link
From some Staple tweets:

Hasn't heard any concrete rumors, but upon a suggestion KO may end up in MTL, that "would be a decent spot for him"

Regarding Martin: "He's going to free agency. No chance he re-signs".

As for Stamkos, the more I think about it, DET makes a ton of sense. They have the $; Datsyuk is gone; Zetterberg isn't getting younger, and Stamkos and Larkin could be a great combo. Proximity to Ontario doesn't hurt, either.
NHL announces payroll ranges  
pganut : 6/21/2016 9:03 pm : link
Stays relatively flat as we expected.

The National Hockey League Players' Association and the National Hockey League today announced that the Team Payroll Range established for the 2016-17 League Year, pursuant to the Collective Bargaining Agreement, provides for a Lower Limit of $54 million, an Adjusted Midpoint of $63.5 million and an Upper Limit of $73 million.
At what point does a guy care  
bigbluehoya : 6/21/2016 9:04 pm : link
That Detroit is a fucking dump, though?

Honest question. I feel like it would matter to me. But then, no one has ever offered me a lot of money to live there.
RE: At what point does a guy care  
pganut : 6/21/2016 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13003459 bigbluehoya said:
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That Detroit is a fucking dump, though?

Honest question. I feel like it would matter to me. But then, no one has ever offered me a lot of money to live there.
Agreed on the downtown part. But the burbs of Bloomfield Hills and Grosse Pointe are very nice. Troy as well (fun fact: when a Red Wing, Stevie Y was in my Smith Barney training class; he was a broker in the Troy office in the offseason). They're also getting a new arena after this season.
Cap is set at $73m  
bigbluehoya : 6/21/2016 9:31 pm : link
$54m floor. Final answer.
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pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 10:28 am : link
Who the F gets in a fight at Disney World?

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Deadspin ‏@Deadspin 1m1 minute ago

Senators prospect arrested, tased after allegedly fighting a cop at Disney World:


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Darren Kramer, a winger in the Ottawa Senators organization who currently plays for the AHLs Manitoba Moose, was arrested at approximately 1:16 a.m. Tuesday after allegedly fighting a police officer at Disney World and getting tased. According to police, Kramer scuffled with the officer so that his friend could make off with some bowling pins he had stolen from a restaurant.





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BrettNYG10 : 6/22/2016 10:33 am : link
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Who the F gets in a fight at Disney World?


That kid and that alligator a couple weeks ago.
2 days from the draft  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 10:38 am : link
I think there could be a lot of action between now and the end of the weekend.

with the expansion and the relatively flat cap, a bunch of names could be moved.

Bruins already offered a 1st for Shattenkirk. which IMO means they will lose Louie Ericsson, who I'd prefer on the Habs over Okposo, but the Habs don't have a ton of cap room.
Coyotes  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 11:17 am : link
sign Goligoski to 5 year extension,
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BrettNYG10 : 6/22/2016 1:09 pm : link
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Аrpon Basu ‏@ArponBasu 13h13 hours ago
Other d-men in Goligoski's age bracket with a $5.5M cap hit: Girardi, Sekera, Petry, Wisniewski, Orpik, Carle.

I'd say the Coyotes did ok.
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Deej : 6/22/2016 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13004425 BrettNYG10 said:
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Аrpon Basu ‏@ArponBasu 13h13 hours ago
Other d-men in Goligoski's age bracket with a $5.5M cap hit: Girardi, Sekera, Petry, Wisniewski, Orpik, Carle.

I'd say the Coyotes did ok.



Or you could go the other way and say paying a 30 year old non-star dman 5.5 million hasnt been such a hot move.
That's what I think, too.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/22/2016 2:04 pm : link
It's a bad risk for non-elite defensemen.
Petry  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 2:12 pm : link
was 27 when the Canadiens signed him.

at the time it was deemed a below market deal.

yes it was a 6 year deal, but very different signing a 27 year old to a 6-year deal than a 30 year old to a 5 year deal for similar numbers.

Goligoski is better than Petry, but point is about age really and the inclusion of him on the list.
Leonard Tweet with Article  
Drewcon40 : 6/22/2016 2:22 pm : link
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Rangers in hot pursuit of Blues defenseman Kevin Shattenkirk, who would be perfect fit - ( New Window )
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pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 2:25 pm : link
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Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 58s59 seconds ago

Hearing that volume of calls has increased significantly for the Habs from other teams re: P.K. Subban in last 48 hours. What that means?


Subban would be a good fit anywhere, hate to see him go, but as I've said with a 7/1 full NMC if they're going to trade him it will be in the next 8 days.
RE: Leonard Tweet with Article  
Deej : 6/22/2016 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13004549 Drewcon40 said:
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And Larry just said we werent interested in paying Shattenkirk. So is it as a rental, or is one of them wrong? God I hope it isnt as a rental.
Nash for Shattenkirk  
Kyle in NY : 6/22/2016 2:29 pm : link
almost makes too much sense
Leonard sucks.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/22/2016 2:33 pm : link
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And if the Rangers are required to part with a young player, why not include forward Kevin Hayes in the deal?


RE: Nash for Shattenkirk  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13004565 Kyle in NY said:
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almost makes too much sense


I don't disagree, but from that starting point the Rangers are worse than last year.

I like Shatty a little bit better than Yandle, but Yandle is a good offensive D-man, so for arguments sake say that trade off (shatty for yandle) is a wash, you're then down Nash, a top 6 forward and a good one at that.

what do you do to make the team better? Still not in Stamkos striking distance IMO, do you blow it up and trade Hank? Deal shatty at the deadline and go full-on rebuild?
Kyle -  
Drewcon40 : 6/22/2016 2:35 pm : link
I thought the same thing. I think a move for Shattenkirk would be contingent on other moves being made. After last year's hype around the Rangers rumored deals with Talbot, I am trying not to get my hopes up. There is a rumor that the Bruins are offering a 1st rounder. Obviously, the Rangers cannot part with too many picks/prospects. A Nash for Shattenkirk (one for one swap) would have to be only a framework.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/22/2016 2:37 pm : link
pj, the Goligoski comps were too simple - there was also an expectation the cap would rise faster than it has when some of those deals were signed.

Brooks sort of mentioned what you did in your last post - the path to a better Rangers team is tough, especially if you trade Nash and Stepan. But if you're able to fix the defense, which was awful last year, it might be worth it and improve the team. Gorton's got a tough task the next couple of weeks.
pj  
Drewcon40 : 6/22/2016 2:43 pm : link
If a trade like the Shattenkirk idea were to happen, it would have to be part of other deals.

I also don't think Stamkos is in the plans nor would happen.

This retool or reset is probably going to take some time so Gorton may have to take some contracts back that will be cap heavy for a year or two to get some picks or prospects (example would be Hartnell with the #3 pick if that was to happen).

The challenge here is once Gorton pulls the trigger on one trade, he needs to have the other occur shortly after. Otherwise the Rangers in October may look unbalanced.
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pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 2:45 pm : link
In comment 13004587 BrettNYG10 said:
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pj, the Goligoski comps were too simple - there was also an expectation the cap would rise faster than it has when some of those deals were signed.

Brooks sort of mentioned what you did in your last post - the path to a better Rangers team is tough, especially if you trade Nash and Stepan. But if you're able to fix the defense, which was awful last year, it might be worth it and improve the team. Gorton's got a tough task the next couple of weeks.


If I were the Rangers I hate to say it because the fans it seems like want more, but I'd only make minor changes.

Hank is still the teams strength, shore up the D with Penguins type D-men, Daley, Cole, Lovejoy - that kind of defenseman - none of them are great or every very good no stand out skill, but they all have similar molds, solid in their own zone defensemen who can break the puck out.

none should cost a lot - 2 - 3M tops.

and then I hate to say it because AV is soooo set in his ways, but play to your teams strengths, use your speed, grit, and cycle ability to your strength and use a system similar to what the Pens used under Sullivan - crash your forwards down low to get in the shooting lanes to help in the breakout and send the far wing out of the zone.

It was like watching a clinic.
the Rangers don't need some massive makeover, I'd keep Nash, Stepan, Kreider, Hayes, Zuccarello, etc. maybe move a defenseman who doesn't meet that prototype and fill in the gaps.

until Hank shows signs he's done dealing Nash or Stepan without a suitable replacement coming back is questionable IMO.

Nash for Shattenkirk  
Kyle in NY : 6/22/2016 2:45 pm : link
by itself doesn't do much to improve the team. But you figure it's just the first domino to fall.

Rangers actually had a pretty strong stretch of play up front without Nash last season. Continued development of the young forwards could help ease the loss of Nash.

The defense has to be overhauled. I'm ok with moving a few big pieces up front, maybe Nash and Stepan, to do so because I think it can have a net positive impact throughout the lineup and a few young guys come along as hoped (Buch, Kreider, JT, Hayes).
They can't come back with that same defense  
Kyle in NY : 6/22/2016 2:48 pm : link
The right side is a disaster if you simply sub Skeji for Yandle and Mcilrath for Boyle. We'll be back with Girardi on the top pair in no time.
Pitt  
Giantfootball025 : 6/22/2016 2:52 pm : link
Got by with that D because they were out letting the puck to Crosby, Malkin, and Kessel. We don't have anyone on the roster that has that rivals those threes skill set.
RE: They can't come back with that same defense  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13004607 Kyle in NY said:
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The right side is a disaster if you simply sub Skeji for Yandle and Mcilrath for Boyle. We'll be back with Girardi on the top pair in no time.


the D is the only thing I'd change. and if it has to be done at the cost of a forward it wouldn't be Nash or Stepan If it were up to me.

The Rangers should be in win-now mode. I view Hank to the Rangers like Price to the Canadiens, maybe slightly less important b/c if the Rangers lose Hank for a long time i don't expect the total implosion like we saw from the habs last year but close.

He's 35 before next year's playoffs. Now I also don't think you want to get caught with an ancient team once Hank hangs them up, so that's why trades like Yandle hurt a little more, but I think you manage that through the draft and minor trades.
RE: Pitt  
Kyle in NY : 6/22/2016 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13004614 Giantfootball025 said:
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Got by with that D because they were out letting the puck to Crosby, Malkin, and Kessel. We don't have anyone on the roster that has that rivals those threes skill set.


Hagelin was maybe the most important player they had for that style. Could use a guy like that...
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BrettNYG10 : 6/22/2016 2:58 pm : link
I kind of agree with you, pj, but think you're going to have to take a step back up front to improve the defense. Trading Nash/Stepan might improve the team if it turns this garbage defense into a good one. If Dumba's as good as you think he can be, I think the team improves even if they lose Stepan in that trade.

I don't think the Rangers were a good team last year (disastrous possession #'s, played at a sub-playoff rate the last 75% of the season once Lundqvist returned to earth, etc.) and I allocate the majority of that blame to the defense. But I also don't think they're that far away.
But I think they'll have a tough time  
Kyle in NY : 6/22/2016 2:58 pm : link
fixing the D because of the big contracts unless they attach a good forward to the deal.

I still think they're in win now mode, but they've got to be creative to maintain that.
RE: Pitt  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13004614 Giantfootball025 said:
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Got by with that D because they were out letting the puck to Crosby, Malkin, and Kessel. We don't have anyone on the roster that has that rivals those threes skill set.


Malkin missed the final 6 weeks of the season, when the Pens went on a tear under Sullivan. And Kessel is not a "break out" guy so much as a wing, he's the far side guy who gets the pass.

Crosby obviously is the best player in the game, but guys like Hagelin, Rust, Bonino, and even their 4th line made that system work.

Obviously is the D that needs a "fix"  
Deej : 6/22/2016 3:11 pm : link
but there was also probably some complacency. I wouldnt mind seeing someone from the front end traded. Keep Zucc.
What would you think about  
bigbluehoya : 6/22/2016 3:15 pm : link
Nash @ 50% plus Staal to Buffalo for Pysyk?

I'd love to see them get something like that done.

Adds a young RD and saves about $7m.

Any chance Buffalo goes for that??
I think Buffalo  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 3:57 pm : link
would consider that only if they're out of the Stamkos running.

Lucic to become a free agent, not re-signing with LA.

I feel like he'd never become a Canadien, too much bad blood, but man he'd fit in nicely.

Vegas  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 4:28 pm : link
official, no QC for now, will play in the Pacific and no other realignment.
Leaning  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 5:05 pm : link
toward the "Black Knights" for Vegas team name, but nothing official until the start of the 2016 - 2017 season.

rules for expansion draft (nothing new here I don't think) or I would have pasted it.


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General reaction from the Twitterverse  
bigbluehoya : 6/22/2016 5:58 pm : link
Is that Girardi would need to be protected, which would suck.

If true, Gorton's job just got a lot harder.
If that's the case  
MetsAreBack : 6/22/2016 6:17 pm : link
you buy him out right after the season. Sucks but after next season the dead cap space is only 6 years, not 8.

Just wish the guy would agree to fucking go already. If he signed off on a trade and we ate half his salary, we could find a taker.
Now you're just begging for a scolding  
Kyle in NY : 6/22/2016 6:37 pm : link
from Girardi's defender
Even if someone  
bigbluehoya : 6/22/2016 6:58 pm : link
We're to think that Girardi isn't a 100% liability, it would be extremely difficult to say that having to protect both of those contracts isn't a major problem for the organization.

We'll likely just be reminded that all they need to do is ask nicely and the player will surely waive their NMC.
Drew Doughty  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 8:09 pm : link
wins the Norris. Karlsson was robbed. one of the worst robberies in recent years.
Kopitar  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 8:12 pm : link
edges Bergeron for Selke
Kane wins  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 9:27 pm : link
Hart, he deserved it, Trotz wins Jack Adams
Holtby  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 9:30 pm : link
runs away with Vezina, Kopitar lady byng.
Didn't realize  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 9:31 pm : link
Kane was the first American to win the Hart trophy. I guess it's not that surprising. Hull?
RE: Drew Doughty  
arcarsenal : 6/22/2016 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13005325 pjcas18 said:
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wins the Norris. Karlsson was robbed. one of the worst robberies in recent years.


I feel a little more justified about my stance in this discussion from a few weeks ago. Karlsson probably still should have won it though.
RE: RE: Drew Doughty  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13005417 arcarsenal said:
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wins the Norris. Karlsson was robbed. one of the worst robberies in recent years.



I feel a little more justified about my stance in this discussion from a few weeks ago. Karlsson probably still should have won it though.


the voting was close, but not THAT close, so apparently the voters look at different things than me, LOL, so my assessment of players is I guess against the grain in some regards and I'm not as smart as I think I am.

imagine that.
Doughty certainly is a very good player  
pganut : 6/22/2016 10:18 pm : link
And worthy of consideration. But I also felt Karlsson should have won.

I know Canada loves it some gritz from Ontario, and as the denfenceman du jour (Pernell Karl had worn the mantle for a while), that didn't hurt his cause, IMO. Sens had 236 goals; he factored in on a third of them.
Yandle  
Giantfootball025 : 6/23/2016 12:14 am : link
Agrees with Panthers 7 years 6.35 million per. Rangers get a 4th round pick.
That Yandle contract  
jv : 6/23/2016 8:28 am : link
is honestly less than I figured he'd get. I guess no state income tax helps.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/23/2016 8:31 am : link
I agree with pj and pganut - I thought Karlsson deserved it. I think Doughty's a bit overrated - I think he's a top ten, but not top three dman.

Also didn't think Jagr should have received the Masterton. Thought Zucc or Dupuis should have received it. Jagr is just old.
Glad we're getting the #4  
Deej : 6/23/2016 8:34 am : link
We need it
RE: Glad we're getting the #4  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2016 8:48 am : link
In comment 13005665 Deej said:
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We need it


Sarcasm? a 4th round NHL pick is almost like a lottery ticket. historically (at least from 2000 - 20009) 20% odds if even playing in the NHL.

Really after the 3rd round the odds don't seem to change markedly:

Doubt it's sarcasm  
Kyle in NY : 6/23/2016 8:56 am : link
We need every pick we can get, even if it is a lottery ticket.

Rangers have had some decent 4th round luck too
Yeah, I guess having a 4th  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2016 9:08 am : link
round pick is better than not having one.

no TJS needed for Malkin.
Geez  
Anakim : 6/23/2016 9:09 am : link
Stralman and Yandle combined are making a million or two LESS than Staal and Girardi combined.
I think the Rangers scouting staff has done a tremendous job in  
BrettNYG10 : 6/23/2016 9:13 am : link
Recent years - another reason I've hated trading so many picks.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/23/2016 9:13 am : link
Better to get a couple picks than lose him for nothing but the trade still wound up sucking for us.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/23/2016 9:15 am : link
In comment 13005729 arcarsenal said:
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Better to get a couple picks than lose him for nothing but the trade still wound up sucking for us.


I loved Yandle, but why trade for a guy you were going to play on the third pairing and not even on the first PP immediately?

Duclair is going to burn for a long time.
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arcarsenal : 6/23/2016 9:23 am : link
Yep. Would be one thing if we had utilized him properly and retained him. If that were the case, the trade would have been reasonable.

Trading away premium picks and a legit prospect for a guy we buried on the 3rd pairing most of the time and didn't deploy properly basically sums up everything that has been wrong with the Rangers in recent years. Just stupid and short-sighted.
Yandle  
Metnut : 6/23/2016 9:25 am : link
is exactly what the Panthers needed. A puck moving d-man who can facilitate their offense. The eastern conference just got tougher.
This was the first year Lundqvist didn't finish top six in Vezina  
BrettNYG10 : 6/23/2016 9:44 am : link
Voting. He didn't get a single vote, but did get a third-place vote for the Hart along with the Ginger in Jersey.

Also, Doughty vs. Karlsson:

Florida probably got him $500K cheaper/year  
MetsAreBack : 6/23/2016 10:05 am : link
because of the state income tax and cost of living issue. Pretty annoying -- only really an issue because the league hasn't increased its cap in like 4 or 5 years now.

But if there's one team I'm glad we lost Yandle to, its to my back-up team. Selling my season tickets just got slightly easier.

I dunno... I don't get any sense this week that our mgmt team has a plan. Its way too quiet on the Girardi and Staal front. Hope I'm wrong.
Agreed MAB  
Drewcon40 : 6/23/2016 10:20 am : link
I am checking for rumors and seeing if there are any potential moves. I just have a feeling that the only changes we see is the UFA's moving on and some Stalberg type signings to round out the roster.

In trying to remain positive, if the team takes a step back with this current roster, maybe the returns for some of the rumored players at the 2017 deadline would be worth waiting.
You could see the Yandle loss coming  
JonC : 6/23/2016 10:34 am : link
the moment they traded for him, given the snug cap situation. Unfortunately, we also knew Sather was in full-blown win-now mode ...
Holy fuck  
Fish : 6/23/2016 10:42 am : link
how many days in a row can you talk about Girard, Staal and Yandle.
Shows out of touch the media is with analytics  
NYerInMA : 6/23/2016 10:43 am : link
Lundqvist and Crawford were the two highest rated goalies overall with advanced stats, and neither were nominated. Crazy that Henrik didn't get any votes.
Fish...  
Drewcon40 : 6/23/2016 10:46 am : link
I was listening to NHL Radio and the Frans Nielsen signing is close.
Don't get me started on Doughty vs Karlsson  
Andy in Halifax : 6/23/2016 10:47 am : link
It was a fucking lifetime achievement award. The media (especially Canadian) felt it was an injustice that Doughty hadn't won it yet so they made sure he got one.

I love Doughty but he was not the best defensman last year. Not sure he was even top 2. Josi, Hedman, Letang all have legit arguments to be nominated over Doughty imo. Hedman may be the least appreciated player in the game imo, he's a stud at both ends of the ice.
RE: Fish...  
feelflows : 6/23/2016 10:49 am : link
In comment 13005882 Drewcon40 said:
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I was listening to NHL Radio and the Frans Nielsen signing is close.


good.. I think he was the only certainty. Glad to have him back.

RE: Holy fuck  
Anakim : 6/23/2016 10:50 am : link
In comment 13005874 Fish said:
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how many days in a row can you talk about Girard, Staal and Yandle.


Don't be upset that only like 5 people on this board give a shit about the Islanders
Anybody hearing anything about  
Giants in 07 : 6/23/2016 11:01 am : link
a Stepan for Duchene or Stepan for Nugent Hopkins deal?

Buddy of mine said he read some rumors.
Just a random draft comment  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2016 11:19 am : link
and I like Auston Matthews a lot, but man I'd love to have the #2 pick in this draft. Laine reminds me a lot of Peter Forsberg.

RE: Anybody hearing anything about  
Kyle in NY : 6/23/2016 11:21 am : link
In comment 13005910 Giants in 07 said:
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a Stepan for Duchene or Stepan for Nugent Hopkins deal?

Buddy of mine said he read some rumors.


He read Larry Brooks throwing shit at the wall
RE: Holy fuck  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/23/2016 11:22 am : link
In comment 13005874 Fish said:
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how many days in a row can you talk about Girard, Staal and Yandle.


The reality check these kids are in for this year is going to be AMAZING.
RE: RE: Holy fuck  
feelflows : 6/23/2016 11:23 am : link
In comment 13005892 Anakim said:
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In comment 13005874 Fish said:


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how many days in a row can you talk about Girard, Staal and Yandle.



Don't be upset that only like 5 people on this board give a shit about the Islanders


Seriously? That's quite juvenile. You're that kid I'm 2nd grade.."don't be jealous that I have a pool and you don't "

I'm assuming you're in your 20s by now. You need some adult "digs".
RE: RE: RE: Holy fuck  
feelflows : 6/23/2016 11:24 am : link
In comment 13005964 feelflows said:
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In comment 13005874 Fish said:


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how many days in a row can you talk about Girard, Staal and Yandle.



Don't be upset that only like 5 people on this board give a shit about the Islanders



Seriously? That's quite juvenile. You're that kid I'm 2nd grade.."don't be jealous that I have a pool and you don't "

I'm assuming you're in your 20s by now. You need some adult "digs".


***in
RE: RE: Holy fuck  
arcarsenal : 6/23/2016 11:25 am : link
In comment 13005958 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 13005874 Fish said:


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how many days in a row can you talk about Girard, Staal and Yandle.



The reality check these kids are in for this year is going to be AMAZING.


Please, go on...
RE: Just a random draft comment  
Fish : 6/23/2016 11:25 am : link
In comment 13005953 pjcas18 said:
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and I like Auston Matthews a lot, but man I'd love to have the #2 pick in this draft. Laine reminds me a lot of Peter Forsberg.


Hey maybe we can send Nash for the #2 pick and get Laine. - Anak

Hey maybe throw in Staal and Girard too - Every other dip shit Ranger fan.
RE: Just a random draft comment  
feelflows : 6/23/2016 11:32 am : link
In comment 13005953 pjcas18 said:
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and I like Auston Matthews a lot, but man I'd love to have the #2 pick in this draft. Laine reminds me a lot of Peter Forsberg.


Interesting. I didn't get that. He seemed much more physical to me, watching him. His skating and vision are no doubt Forsberg-esque.

Hes more what I saw in Ovie coming up. Had the sick shot and physicality. I think Ovies shot was better coming into the draft, but I love Laines vision.

I think Hes a surefire top notch NHLer
RE: RE: Just a random draft comment  
Drewcon40 : 6/23/2016 11:36 am : link
In comment 13005969 Fish said:
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In comment 13005953 pjcas18 said:


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and I like Auston Matthews a lot, but man I'd love to have the #2 pick in this draft. Laine reminds me a lot of Peter Forsberg.




Hey maybe we can send Nash for the #2 pick and get Laine. - Anak

Hey maybe throw in Staal and Girard too - Every other dip shit Ranger fan.


We are just clearing up cap space to sign Tavares in 2018.
RE: RE: RE: Holy fuck  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/23/2016 11:40 am : link
In comment 13005967 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13005874 Fish said:


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how many days in a row can you talk about Girard, Staal and Yandle.



The reality check these kids are in for this year is going to be AMAZING.



Please, go on...


What's the fun in that? ;D
RE: RE: Just a random draft comment  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2016 11:41 am : link
In comment 13005982 feelflows said:
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In comment 13005953 pjcas18 said:


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and I like Auston Matthews a lot, but man I'd love to have the #2 pick in this draft. Laine reminds me a lot of Peter Forsberg.




Interesting. I didn't get that. He seemed much more physical to me, watching him. His skating and vision are no doubt Forsberg-esque.

Hes more what I saw in Ovie coming up. Had the sick shot and physicality. I think Ovies shot was better coming into the draft, but I love Laines vision.

I think Hes a surefire top notch NHLer


Forsberg was one of the most physical players of his era.

Ovie would be a good comp too, but he's only recently been a two-way player. Pre-Trotz Ovie only played in his defensive zone when he felt like it. Plus I'm not sure Laine has that blistering one-timer. Not many do. but I've only seen what limited live action of Laine I could - (world championship and INTL play)
If you're implying  
Kyle in NY : 6/23/2016 11:42 am : link
that we have high expectations for this season and are going to be hit hard by reality, I don't think you've been reading carefully. There isn't much optimism right now for Rangers fans.

Islanders fans, on the other hand...
RE: RE: RE: Just a random draft comment  
feelflows : 6/23/2016 11:43 am : link
In comment 13006005 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13005953 pjcas18 said:


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and I like Auston Matthews a lot, but man I'd love to have the #2 pick in this draft. Laine reminds me a lot of Peter Forsberg.




Interesting. I didn't get that. He seemed much more physical to me, watching him. His skating and vision are no doubt Forsberg-esque.

Hes more what I saw in Ovie coming up. Had the sick shot and physicality. I think Ovies shot was better coming into the draft, but I love Laines vision.

I think Hes a surefire top notch NHLer



Forsberg was one of the most physical players of his era.

Ovie would be a good comp too, but he's only recently been a two-way player. Pre-Trotz Ovie only played in his defensive zone when he felt like it. Plus I'm not sure Laine has that blistering one-timer. Not many do. but I've only seen what limited live action of Laine I could - (world championship and INTL play)


You're right. I was thinking later after all of the injuries.

Nobody in the World has a better one timer than Ovie.
...  
BrettNYG10 : 6/23/2016 11:44 am : link
Question for Islander fans: Would you do Boychuk (or Leddy), a first, and Barzal for Taylor Hall?
RE: RE: RE: Holy fuck  
Anakim : 6/23/2016 11:45 am : link
In comment 13005964 feelflows said:
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In comment 13005892 Anakim said:


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In comment 13005874 Fish said:


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how many days in a row can you talk about Girard, Staal and Yandle.



Don't be upset that only like 5 people on this board give a shit about the Islanders



Seriously? That's quite juvenile. You're that kid I'm 2nd grade.."don't be jealous that I have a pool and you don't "

I'm assuming you're in your 20s by now. You need some adult "digs".


Oh please. Fish is whining about Rangers talk. NEWSFLASH: the Rangers are the #1 hockey team in New York. Always have been; always will be. We're lucky that there's hockey talk at all given that they're the #4 sport in the country, in New York City and on BBI. Whining that there's not enough Islanders talk is silly given how small the fanbase is in general, but particularly on BBI.
RE: Anybody hearing anything about  
Anakim : 6/23/2016 11:45 am : link
In comment 13005910 Giants in 07 said:
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a Stepan for Duchene or Stepan for Nugent Hopkins deal?

Buddy of mine said he read some rumors.


It was Uncle Larry proposing such deals. Nothing more to it.
RE: RE: Just a random draft comment  
Anakim : 6/23/2016 11:46 am : link
In comment 13005969 Fish said:
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In comment 13005953 pjcas18 said:


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and I like Auston Matthews a lot, but man I'd love to have the #2 pick in this draft. Laine reminds me a lot of Peter Forsberg.




Hey maybe we can send Nash for the #2 pick and get Laine. - Anak

Hey maybe throw in Staal and Girard too - Every other dip shit Ranger fan.


I never overrated Nash. That's Brett. Brett loves Nash....or at least thinks he's unfairly bashed on here.
RE: ...  
pganut : 6/23/2016 11:49 am : link
In comment 13006014 BrettNYG10 said:
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Question for Islander fans: Would you do Boychuk (or Leddy), a first, and Barzal for Taylor Hall?
Yes, but not Leddy. JT is elite. Hall is only slightly under JT's level. I'd prefer not to give up on Barzal, but if I had to give to get, I'd understand. If I could do Boychuk, Nelson or Dal Colle plus the 19th pick, I'd drive them all personally to Chiarelli's doorstep.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Holy fuck  
Drewcon40 : 6/23/2016 11:49 am : link
In comment 13006015 Anakim said:
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Oh please. Fish is whining about Rangers talk. NEWSFLASH: the Rangers are the #1 hockey team in New York. Always have been; always will be. We're lucky that there's hockey talk at all given that they're the #4 sport in the country, in New York City and on BBI. Whining that there's not enough Islanders talk is silly given how small the fanbase is in general, but particularly on BBI.


I do love Nash.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/23/2016 11:50 am : link
He's an excellent player. I don't think he's unfairly bashed, necessarily - at least here. I think his past two playoff performances were superior to what people think and that he gets a larger proportion of blame that's an overall team failure (kind of like when people blame Reese when there's failures all over).

But I understand the criticism and think he's far better suited as #2 piece.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Holy fuck  
arcarsenal : 6/23/2016 11:51 am : link
In comment 13006001 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 13005958 Mike in Long Beach said:


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In comment 13005874 Fish said:


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how many days in a row can you talk about Girard, Staal and Yandle.



The reality check these kids are in for this year is going to be AMAZING.



Please, go on...



What's the fun in that? ;D


Well, rationalizing a completely nonsensical comment implying that the Ranger fans here are somehow under the impression that the team is going to be a contender this year really doesn't sound fun at all. So, you're right... better to just hit and run in your case.
Anak  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/23/2016 11:52 am : link
You're definitely the more popular hockey team, but by any objective measure, the Islanders are much more likely to be the better team in the next year or two.
arc  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/23/2016 11:52 am : link
You get offended way too easily and take obvious light-hearted trolling far too seriously. Take a breath.
RE: Anak  
MetsAreBack : 6/23/2016 11:55 am : link
In comment 13006034 Mike in Long Beach said:
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You're definitely the more popular hockey team, but by any objective measure, the Islanders are much more likely to be the better team in the next year or two.



After being the better NY team for 10+ years (unfortunately we were too stupid to lose game 82 and thus got the Champs in round 1)... I suppose we could give you guys the next 2 years. I just feel bad for Lundqvist, otherwise I'd be perfectly fine with a rebuild. It doesn't get worse than how this past season felt -- and we put up 101 points so its not really rationale on my part, but man did this past season suck.
RE: Anak  
Anakim : 6/23/2016 11:55 am : link
In comment 13006034 Mike in Long Beach said:
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You're definitely the more popular hockey team, but by any objective measure, the Islanders are much more likely to be the better team in the next year or two.


Lots of offseason left to go, Fekker. We have one thing you don't: ZEEEE KING










And soon your captain. MWAHAHAHAHAHA
RE: Anak  
Drewcon40 : 6/23/2016 11:56 am : link
In comment 13006034 Mike in Long Beach said:
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You're definitely the more popular hockey team, but by any objective measure, the Islanders are much more likely to be the better team in the next year or two.


How dare you, Mike!?!? : )

Just keep those miles of Tavares. Maybe an early first round exit or non-playoff years. We need him as our 1C in a few years after we shed Fish' favorite topics, Girardi and Staal
haha..  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/23/2016 11:56 am : link
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Lots of offseason left to go, Fekker. We have one thing you don't: ZEEEE KING


Lot's of offseason to go, indeed! Gonna be the fire sale from hell at MSG.
I will admit  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/23/2016 11:57 am : link
If Tavares actually became a Ranger... I don't even know what I'd do.
RE: arc  
arcarsenal : 6/23/2016 11:58 am : link
In comment 13006038 Mike in Long Beach said:
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You get offended way too easily and take obvious light-hearted trolling far too seriously. Take a breath.


Pretty sure offended is not the correct word. Was just wondering who exactly is in for a "reality check"...
I like Nash too  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2016 11:59 am : link
I'd just prefer he be on a line "with the man" instead of having to "be the man" at this point and being paid like "the man".

Nash on a line with someone like Crosby would be Kevin Stevens playing with Lemieux. The Rangers just don't have that luxury, so Nash takes a lot of heat.

He can be on the ice in every situation and makes a lot of subtle plays.

I'd pair him with Stepan and Kreider on the Rangers and swap Zuccarello to play with Brassard and JT Miller (if that's how they were aligned last year).

I'd take Nash on my team in a heartbeat though I wouldn't want to pay him what he makes or give up a lot for him at this age.

RE: I will admit  
BrettNYG10 : 6/23/2016 11:59 am : link
In comment 13006059 Mike in Long Beach said:
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If Tavares actually became a Ranger... I don't even know what I'd do.


Become a Ranger fan again?
RE: haha..  
MetsAreBack : 6/23/2016 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13006053 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Lots of offseason left to go, Fekker. We have one thing you don't: ZEEEE KING




Lot's of offseason to go, indeed! Gonna be the fire sale from hell at MSG.



That's actually a better long-term alternative to letting Yandle, Stepan and Hayes go for prospects, retaining all the old dead weight, and competing for 8 seeds the next 2-3 years. Which by all accounts it appears Gorton/Av/Sather prefer to do.

Rangers offseason in a nut shell:

RE: I will admit  
Drewcon40 : 6/23/2016 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13006059 Mike in Long Beach said:
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If Tavares actually became a Ranger... I don't even know what I'd do.


Mike, not exactly the same, my friend but life would go on.



I am already over Hagelin winning the cup in that Hudson uniform.
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arcarsenal : 6/23/2016 12:02 pm : link
Getty Images putting a stranglehold on this thread.
Thanks, pganut.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/23/2016 12:06 pm : link
I think Hall would be a fantastic addition, even if you had to give up Leddy (who I like a lot). Boychuk's deal worries me long-term.

pj, that's pretty much where I'm at. He might be a little overpaid at this point (if you could sign him as a free agent for one year, I'd imagine he'd get ~$5.6-$7M), but I think some fans make too much of his contract.
Edmonton would be incredibly stupid  
bigbluehoya : 6/23/2016 12:08 pm : link
To do that deal if it were Boychuk.
No question, hoya  
pganut : 6/23/2016 12:16 pm : link
Especially if this past season is an indicator of Boychuk's direction in the immediate sense. I happen to think it was an injury-related aberration and he'll be back to form (especially with lower NHL miles at his age), but from an AAV perspective at his age, a bad get by EDM, unless Barzal was part of the package. That aspect plus EDM wanting a RH D makes it plausible if this is anything but a spitball posed in the blogosphere.

I am very wary of including Barzal in anything but a top player get like Hall. Many scouts had him pegged as a top 10 (some certainly top 5) pick last year had he not been injured. As I've said in my amateur opinion, his comp to me is Nik Backstrom with a better wrister. Way too valuable to move unless for a top talent.
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Anakim : 6/23/2016 3:06 pm : link
Grady S ‏@GradySas
Per Dreger, offer for Subban from #Oilers would be the 4th overall pick, one of Hall, Eberle, RNH and another piece. Step price indeed #Habs
RE: .  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2016 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13006401 Anakim said:
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Grady S ‏@GradySas
Per Dreger, offer for Subban from #Oilers would be the 4th overall pick, one of Hall, Eberle, RNH and another piece. Step price indeed #Habs


Canadiens would have to do it, I like Leon Draisaitl, if they could get #4, Hall and Draisaitl that would be a steal and Chiarelli would have to have his head examined.

would prefer no RNH or Eberle.
Rangers trade up to #14 OA?  
Giants in 07 : 6/23/2016 3:10 pm : link
Maple Leafs tweeted a picture of their draft table, with the draft order in the background.

Also has NYI @ 9 OA.

Could just be a test, but why wouldn't they use the real draft order?

it says NYI  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2016 3:11 pm : link
from MTL for #9.

I wonder who MTL got back?
Says NYR  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2016 3:12 pm : link
from BOS. For Hayes?

Hayes brothers reunuion?
Or it's  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2016 3:12 pm : link
just made up
I fell for that a year ago.  
Andy in Halifax : 6/23/2016 3:12 pm : link
They always run tests before the draft, that's not a legit trade.
It has the Rangers pick going to Arizona  
Giants in 07 : 6/23/2016 3:12 pm : link
That's the Yandle pick.

Would they mix real and fake trades like that? Seems strange.
RE: Rangers trade up to #14 OA?  
Patrick : 6/23/2016 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13006410 Giants in 07 said:
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Maple Leafs tweeted a picture of their draft table, with the draft order in the background.

Also has NYI @ 9 OA.

Could just be a test, but why wouldn't they use the real draft order?



Probably just testing to make sure it works when they make changes on the fly.
It also has the CHI pick going to WPG in the Ladd deal  
Giants in 07 : 6/23/2016 3:14 pm : link
If true, looks like NYI and MTL swapped picks.

RE: RE: .  
Deej : 6/23/2016 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13006406 pjcas18 said:
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Grady S ‏@GradySas
Per Dreger, offer for Subban from #Oilers would be the 4th overall pick, one of Hall, Eberle, RNH and another piece. Step price indeed #Habs



Canadiens would have to do it, I like Leon Draisaitl, if they could get #4, Hall and Draisaitl that would be a steal and Chiarelli would have to have his head examined.

would prefer no RNH or Eberle.


"and another piece" seems inconsistent with Draisaitl. Also, rumors have swirled forever that Hall is a shitburger. There is something wrong in the Oilers dressing room and Hall's name is always in every article. Also, seems like Eberle has been available for 3 offseasons, which should be alarming.
If it is fake, of course the Rangers are the team involved  
Giants in 07 : 6/23/2016 3:18 pm : link
All the other trades (except for the MTL and NYI swap) are real trades.

Carolina and LA is the Sekera trade
Boston and SJ is the Jones trade
Toronto and Anaheim is the Anderson trade
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pjcas18 : 6/23/2016 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13006425 Deej said:
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Grady S ‏@GradySas
Per Dreger, offer for Subban from #Oilers would be the 4th overall pick, one of Hall, Eberle, RNH and another piece. Step price indeed #Habs



Canadiens would have to do it, I like Leon Draisaitl, if they could get #4, Hall and Draisaitl that would be a steal and Chiarelli would have to have his head examined.

would prefer no RNH or Eberle.



"and another piece" seems inconsistent with Draisaitl. Also, rumors have swirled forever that Hall is a shitburger. There is something wrong in the Oilers dressing room and Hall's name is always in every article. Also, seems like Eberle has been available for 3 offseasons, which should be alarming.


Yeah, Draisaitl would be dreaming as "another piece".

I'd almost prefer him at the main piece though over Hall, RNH, or Eberle who I want nothing to do with.

And if Yakupov is in any way included I hope it's as a throw-in.

I tend to think losing breeds locker room dissent, the culture in EDM is so bad right now, for so long, I'd hesitate to put much stock in locker room cancer comments. Everyone gets pissed when you're a doormat.

but...I'd expect Bergevin to vet it properly. Hall is the most talented out of Hall, RNH, Eberle, and Yakupov IMO.

RNH is owed a ton of money (as is Hall, but Hall is better)
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pganut : 6/23/2016 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13006401 Anakim said:
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Grady S ‏@GradySas
Per Dreger, offer for Subban from #Oilers would be the 4th overall pick, one of Hall, Eberle, RNH and another piece. Step price indeed #Habs
While I love PK, that trade is nuts. EDM would be crazy to do that.
Oilers are less than the sum of their parts  
Deej : 6/23/2016 3:50 pm : link
and if you told me it was Hall/Eberle/RNH plus an ok prospect, I'd say it's not nearly enough for Subban. With due respect to pj, Price and Subban (and Patches) have been hiding how shitty that roster is for years. Subban is a massive talent.

I have no problem with that trade for the Oilers. Except maybe Subban isnt the right guy the need leadership-wise.
RE: Oilers are less than the sum of their parts  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2016 3:56 pm : link
In comment 13006504 Deej said:
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and if you told me it was Hall/Eberle/RNH plus an ok prospect, I'd say it's not nearly enough for Subban. With due respect to pj, Price and Subban (and Patches) have been hiding how shitty that roster is for years. Subban is a massive talent.

I have no problem with that trade for the Oilers. Except maybe Subban isnt the right guy the need leadership-wise.


Subban is underrated in the leadership aspect IMO, both on and off the ice. not well known maybe outside of MTL, but he is one of the most well respected locker room presence and community leaders in the league.

He'd be perfect to lead EDM out of their funk, but I'd also prefer not to trade him.

so it would have to be a lopsided deal IMO b/c of all the intangibles which could be a tough sell to a new fan base.
For you guys who follow the Rangers everyday  
arniefez : 6/23/2016 3:59 pm : link
and closely follow the league do you believe the NY media rumors of several core Rangers being traded in multiple trades in the next week?
RE: For you guys who follow the Rangers everyday  
Drewcon40 : 6/23/2016 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13006524 arniefez said:
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and closely follow the league do you believe the NY media rumors of several core Rangers being traded in multiple trades in the next week?


I personally do not arnifez. I think you'll find a split on the board of Ranger fans. I do not think we will see an overhaul of the roster. I am sure Gorton is fielding calls but if he were to move a significant piece, he would have to be able to get a fair market return. The concern I have is that teams know the Rangers are in a bind (Fish) with prohibitive contracts to Girardi and Staal, and letting Yandle go), unless Gorton can create a bidding for his players, the Rangers may have to stand pat or accept a lower trade as far as value goes.

I think this roster is what opening night 2016 will look at with Buchnevich and some 2nd tier signings.
ok pj  
Deej : 6/23/2016 4:16 pm : link
then Hall and #4 is fair. I wouldnt do RNH or Eberle if Im Les Habs.
Arnie  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2016 4:17 pm : link
I cannot comment on the Rangers specifically, these fans on here know a ton, so I'd trust them, but with the combination of the expansion draft and the flat cap, I expect more player movement this off-season in general and at the 2016-2017 deadline than in prior years.

What does that mean for the Rangers? these guy know more than me, but in general things should be active starting this weekend and then into free agency.
RE: For you guys who follow the Rangers everyday  
bigbluehoya : 6/23/2016 4:23 pm : link
In comment 13006524 arniefez said:
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and closely follow the league do you believe the NY media rumors of several core Rangers being traded in multiple trades in the next week?


Yes, I do believe it. Doesn't mean it will happen.

Just look at the Rangers roster and cap projection (current plus 2-3 years out). They'd be nuts not to be considering some significant moves. Again, doesn't mean the value will be there.
The Islanders will do something big imo  
marbles : 6/23/2016 4:26 pm : link
Ledecky and Malkin want to make a splash, and put their stamp on this franchise immediately. I think they will be aggressive owners.

My fear is that Snow will be making the moves in this critical offseason.

RE: ...  
Dave M : 6/23/2016 4:36 pm : link
In comment 13006014 BrettNYG10 said:
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Question for Islander fans: Would you do Boychuk (or Leddy), a first, and Barzal for Taylor Hall?


Absolutely if it was Boychuk. Although I may do it with Leddy as well just seeing what Yandle and Goligoski are getting Leddy's contract may be a very friendly deal by the end of it and replacing him may cost too much.
RE: Holy fuck  
Dave M : 6/23/2016 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13005874 Fish said:
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how many days in a row can you talk about Girard, Staal and Yandle.


Lol.
RE: For you guys who follow the Rangers everyday  
Giants2012 : 6/23/2016 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13006524 arniefez said:
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and closely follow the league do you believe the NY media rumors of several core Rangers being traded in multiple trades in the next week?


We'll find out. If nothing significant happens then we know Brooks and company are even more full of shit then ever.
RE: RE: For you guys who follow the Rangers everyday  
Drewcon40 : 6/23/2016 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13006630 Giants2012 said:
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We'll find out. If nothing significant happens then we know Brooks and company are even more full of shit then ever.

Hopefully a Subban deal happens very soon  
bigbluehoya : 6/23/2016 6:52 pm : link
And the market can unclench a little bit and transactions start flowing.

Feels like gridlock a little bit. No one wants to be the first domino
Crazy if this is true  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 6/23/2016 7:08 pm : link
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Georges LaraqueVerified account
‏@GeorgesLaraque
Someone around the Oilers organization just confirmed to me that the Canadiens asked for Draisaitl and the 4 pick for Subban!


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Dan Rosen ✔ @drosennhl
Huge buzz about P.K. Subban and a potential brewing trade here in Buffalo. Habs GM Marc Bergevin expected to address the media here shortly.


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Brian Lawton ✔ @brianlawton9
Hearing @EdmontonOilers very interested in P.K. and considering a big ask that includes everyone not named McDavid.


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Travis Yost @travisyost
The PK Subban trade talk is real, fwiw. I don't know how far along or if anything will happen but it's not just random smoke.


All this is from HFBoards, but that would be massive if true. I would think if Laraque is right, Edmonton would be crazy not to jump on that.

HF - ( New Window )
From Bergevin, within the past 15 minutes  
pganut : 6/23/2016 7:16 pm : link
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Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC
Asked by @drosennhl if it was realistic a Subban trade could happen, Bergevin answered "No."
Bergevin  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2016 7:44 pm : link
said the same thing weeks ago. I don't want them to trade him, but as I've said he has a NMC starting 7/1 and then he's on the cap at 9M per the next 6 years.

If he's going to be traded it will be this weekend or at least before 7/1.
This statement seems a little more forceful  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2016 9:41 pm : link
LOL.

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"Ive never shopped P.K. Ive never done it and I'm not doing it." - Marc Bergevin READ | http://goha.bs/28QBs9Z
Yandle signs with Fla 7 years $44.5 million  
Giants2012 : 6/24/2016 12:03 am : link
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Anakim : 6/24/2016 1:11 am : link
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
The Montreal Canadiens among the most interested in Ducks D-man, Cam Fowler. Obviously fuels the Subban speculation.
RE: Yandle signs with Fla 7 years $44.5 million  
Stufftherun : 6/24/2016 7:55 am : link
In comment 13007106 Giants2012 said:
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Holy shyte will they rue the day!
RE: RE: Yandle signs with Fla 7 years $44.5 million  
NYerInMA : 6/24/2016 9:57 am : link
In comment 13007232 Stufftherun said:
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Holy shyte will they rue the day!


Yes, all those PP goals he's going to assist on over the next 5 years are gonna make them regret it. ;)
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BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2016 9:57 am : link
Couldn't find one bigger than that?  
bigbluehoya : 6/24/2016 10:00 am : link
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My Eyes! The goggles do nothing!  
NYerInMA : 6/24/2016 10:04 am : link
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RE: Couldn't find one bigger than that?  
BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2016 10:04 am : link
In comment 13007475 bigbluehoya said:
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That's what she said.
RE: It also has the CHI pick going to WPG in the Ladd deal  
The 12th Man : 6/24/2016 10:42 am : link
In comment 13006423 Giants in 07 said:
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If true, looks like NYI and MTL swapped picks.


Maybe the rights to KO
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BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2016 10:47 am : link
Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey 18h18 hours ago
Dreger: "The #Oilers would love to move Nail Yakupov. The problem that they have is they can't get much more than a third-round draft pick."
Nail should go to the KHL  
Deej : 6/24/2016 10:51 am : link
and if I was a team trading for him, that would be a real concern.
Can't really see the entirety of the tweet Brett posted  
pganut : 6/24/2016 11:23 am : link
But that Adam Henrique handle is a parody account.

LeBrun also throwing water on the Subban rumors citing the Habs aren't moving PK given nothing piqued their interest enough. Possibility of seeing what may transpire between now and his July 1 NMC kicking in.
That's from his Reddit AMA  
BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2016 11:28 am : link
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Reddit - ( New Window )
At a certain point it just starts to seem like  
bigbluehoya : 6/24/2016 12:43 pm : link
The league is holding up all trades until tonight to try and make the draft a complete bonanza and get some pub
RE: At a certain point it just starts to seem like  
feelflows : 6/24/2016 12:59 pm : link
In comment 13007769 bigbluehoya said:
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The league is holding up all trades until tonight to try and make the draft a complete bonanza and get some pub


Sounds about right to me.
30 thoughts from Friedman has some fun tidbits  
BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2016 1:04 pm : link
Opening paragraph about Subba.

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Two rumours making their way from Vegas to Buffalo that were shot down: first, that Dan Girardi almost went to Vancouver before the Canucks got Erik Gudbranson. Second, that Arizona would take Scott Hartnell if Columbus was willing to include the third overall pick.


Some Islander tidbits:

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13. In his media availability prior to the NHL Awards, Matt Martin sure sounded like somebody who is going elsewhere. When that was pointed out to him, he paused and said, A year ago, I never thought it would happen, but well see.

Another reporter asked if Casey Cizikas new contract bothered him, but Martin threw cold water on that theory.

Hes been one of my best friends for a long time, and Im very happy for him, he said. He deserves it.

Has he thought about playing against John Tavares, another good friend?

I tried that in junior, and it didnt go very well, he said with a laugh.

14. Tavares, by the way, tried to conceal a smile when asked if it was true he plans his summer schedule by January, as personal skating coach Dawn Braid indicated a few weeks ago. Dawn likes to plan ahead, too, he replied.

15. New York Islanders GM Garth Snow confirmed hes not interested in moving Ryan Strome. After he was benched in the playoffs, there were queries. But doesnt sound like Strome is going anywhere. Still young, and they need him if the free agents walk.

Sportsnet - ( New Window )
Vancouver seems misguided enough  
Kyle in NY : 6/24/2016 1:07 pm : link
to take Girardi. Too bad
*Subban.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2016 1:07 pm : link
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Maybe not a lot will get done tonight  
Dave M : 6/24/2016 1:23 pm : link
Is this draft considered weak? A lot of 1st round picks seem to be available.
Thanks, Brett  
pganut : 6/24/2016 1:47 pm : link
Dave, this draft is actually fairly deep. Much like the 2009 draft, there's a fairly consensus top 3, but there's quality through the top 20 or so expected picks. That said, I do not expect the Isles to be picking at 19. Most of the tea leaves have them moving it with other considerations for a top 6 wing, or trading down to get a late first/second round pick and a third, both rounds the Isles currently lack a pick in. If the pick isn't used in a package for an existing player, I can see the trade down and then Garth working his mojo to flip that secound rounder for something.
RE: 30 thoughts from Friedman has some fun tidbits  
Anakim : 6/24/2016 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13007806 BrettNYG10 said:
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Two rumours making their way from Vegas to Buffalo that were shot down: first, that Dan Girardi almost went to Vancouver before the Canucks got Erik Gudbranson.



SON OF A PEACH
Haha  
Anakim : 6/24/2016 1:58 pm : link
Chris Nichols
‏@NicholsOnHockey
Friedman: Im sure #NYR and P.K. Subban would be a perfect marriage, "theres just no chance thats going to be able to happen." #Habs
Vanek is going to be bought out by the WIld.  
Drewcon40 : 6/24/2016 4:05 pm : link
...some of the Ranger boards are mentioning bringing Vanek in as a player in anticipation if some of their forwards being traded.

What about the Islanders? It would be much cheaper but would a reunion be out of the question?
I kind of thought that if the Stepan to MN rumors were true that  
BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2016 4:07 pm : link
There could be a potential Stepan/Staal (or Girardi) for Dumba/first and Vanek type of deal.
RE: I kind of thought that if the Stepan to MN rumors were true that  
Anakim : 6/24/2016 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13008104 BrettNYG10 said:
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There could be a potential Stepan/Staal (or Girardi) for Dumba/first and Vanek type of deal.


Because of what Convitz or whatever his name was posted?
....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2016 4:12 pm : link
No, just my own speculation from the general Stepan/MN rumors.
Saw on reddit  
JayBinQueens : 6/24/2016 4:13 pm : link
Unconfirmed: Tampa Bay Lightning trade sheet found in Buffalo area hotel lobby, cites target teams for trading up/down
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Saw on reddit  
Anakim : 6/24/2016 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13008116 JayBinQueens said:
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Unconfirmed: Tampa Bay Lightning trade sheet found in Buffalo area hotel lobby, cites target teams for trading up/down Link - ( New Window )


My head hurts
.  
JayBinQueens : 6/24/2016 5:48 pm : link
Bob McKenzie ✔ @TSNBobMcKenzie
CGY working to get a goalie. Have had talks with TB on Bishop and with STL on Elliott. CGY has permission to talk to Bishop about extension.
4:24 PM - 24 Jun 2016

Would not mind seeing what they'd offer for Halak
Pat Leonard  
bigbluehoya : 6/24/2016 5:53 pm : link
Tweeted a short time ago that Gorton is trying to move "Girardi and/or M Staal"?

Doesn't mean a god damned thing, but it's at least nice to hear it.
RE: Pat Leonard  
Anakim : 6/24/2016 6:24 pm : link
In comment 13008234 bigbluehoya said:
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Tweeted a short time ago that Gorton is trying to move "Girardi and/or M Staal"?

Doesn't mean a god damned thing, but it's at least nice to hear it.


For the love of God, please let there be a Bob Gainey among the GMs. Shit, I don't even need a McDonagh return. Just take them for free.
On the NHLN coverage  
pganut : 6/24/2016 6:38 pm : link
Did I just hear the World Cup will be shown on ESPN? Ugh. I shudder to start to think about who they can pull in to broadcast. I did enjoy Thorne and Clement back in the day, though.

Question: do you guys want a separate draft thread to discuss that and draft related trades, or keep it all here? I don't have strong feelings either way but figured it was worth asking.
Might as well do a separate one  
JayBinQueens : 6/24/2016 6:41 pm : link
that way people don't need to scroll through multiple pages to find the draft stuff
Keep it here  
Kyle in NY : 6/24/2016 6:42 pm : link
I'd say
I'd vote for new draft thread  
Fish : 6/24/2016 6:47 pm : link
Lots of scrolling here
Not enough voters, stays here  
pganut : 6/24/2016 7:02 pm : link
It just seems weird that the NHL Network wouldn't be broadcasting the NHL Draft.
Treliving, Kekalainen and Chia Pet all very active in discussions  
pganut : 6/24/2016 7:07 pm : link
Kek and Treliving apparently have spoken extensively 4 times tonight. Something brewing.
McKenzie reporting  
pganut : 6/24/2016 7:08 pm : link
Unconfirmed, but CBJ has traded Sonny Milano.
Is it me  
Fish : 6/24/2016 7:26 pm : link
Or does the Austin Mathews family seem miserable?
Lars Eller  
Fish : 6/24/2016 7:28 pm : link
To Caps. Shaw to Habs
Per Staples, Snow and Gorton were seen talking.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2016 7:29 pm : link
We're ready for Tavares.
RE: Per Staples, Snow and Gorton were seen talking.  
Patrick : 6/24/2016 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13008309 BrettNYG10 said:
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We're ready for Tavares.


Shit. I hope not, but Brett is usually on point.
RE: Per Staples, Snow and Gorton were seen talking.  
pganut : 6/24/2016 7:35 pm : link
In comment 13008309 BrettNYG10 said:
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We're ready for Tavares.
Nah, they were discussing how funny it was that B in ALB had to keep getting stuck watching Sabres games.
Haha.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2016 7:36 pm : link
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I'd have to think  
pganut : 6/24/2016 7:41 pm : link
With EDM in a great spot to grab Puljujarvi, there's a greater likelihood they can deal Hall, RNH or Eberle and feel ok if so inclined. Can also see Yak moved in a lesser deal.
RE: I'd have to think  
Fish : 6/24/2016 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13008316 pganut said:
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With EDM in a great spot to grab Puljujarvi, there's a greater likelihood they can deal Hall, RNH or Eberle and feel ok if so inclined. Can also see Yak moved in a lesser deal.


Yup
pj  
JayBinQueens : 6/24/2016 8:06 pm : link
what do you think of the Eller trade to Washington?

Mtl got 2017 & 2018 2nd round picks for Lars
Looks like Elliott moving from STL to CGY  
pganut : 6/24/2016 8:09 pm : link
Trade reported shortly
RE: Looks like Elliott moving from STL to CGY  
NYerInMA : 6/24/2016 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13008332 pganut said:
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Trade reported shortly


Frees up the goalie logjam in SL, and gets CAL a quality starter. Good move for both teams depending on other assets being moved with them.
Getting close to #15, which is the Wild spot  
Anakim : 6/24/2016 8:13 pm : link
Let's see if Stepan gets traded
Friedman saying STL gets CGY 1st this year  
pganut : 6/24/2016 8:19 pm : link
And if Elliott re-signs in CGY, they also send a 2018 3rd rounder to STL.
My mistakee  
pganut : 6/24/2016 8:20 pm : link
StL gets CGY's 2016 2nd and the conditional pick.
.  
Anakim : 6/24/2016 8:26 pm : link
Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC
OTT might be flipping with NJ
RE: pj  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2016 8:26 pm : link
In comment 13008329 JayBinQueens said:
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what do you think of the Eller trade to Washington?

Mtl got 2017 & 2018 2nd round picks for Lars


basically Eller for Shaw. like both players, logjam at C for MTL, but Shaw is better, hopefully they sign him.
Pretty sure the Devils  
SethFromAstoria : 6/24/2016 8:31 pm : link
Just made the best trade in sports history.
That trade  
SethFromAstoria : 6/24/2016 8:34 pm : link
Makes Ottawa undeserving of any success in any scenario...people flip the fuck out and go nuts aboit "assets' draft wise and the Senators just handed a third founder to the Devils to hedge their bets. That's how much these teams value these picks. So for the next guy who flips out over the awful front office of the Rangers trading a 5th rounder, remember this trade and come back to reality.
That trade  
SethFromAstoria : 6/24/2016 8:44 pm : link
Makes Ottawa undeserving of any success in any scenario...people flip the fuck out and go nuts aboit "assets' draft wise and the Senators just handed a third founder to the Devils to hedge their bets. That's how much these teams value these picks. So for the next guy who flips out over the awful front office of the Rangers trading a 5th rounder, remember this trade and come back to reality.
Could be something, could be nothing  
pganut : 6/24/2016 8:50 pm : link
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Arthur Staple ‏@StapeNewsday
Snow huddling with George McPhee and a few others from #Isles front office at their table. 6 picks away from 19. Lot of huddling tonight.
Maybe they just like snuggling.
RE: That trade  
yatqb : 6/24/2016 8:52 pm : link
In comment 13008362 SethFromAstoria said:
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Makes Ottawa undeserving of any success in any scenario...people flip the fuck out and go nuts aboit "assets' draft wise and the Senators just handed a third founder to the Devils to hedge their bets. That's how much these teams value these picks. So for the next guy who flips out over the awful front office of the Rangers trading a 5th rounder, remember this trade and come back to reality.


Seth, when's the last time the Rangers had a #1? There's reason to be concerned about Sather's stripping the team of draft choices to land older guys whose cap hits made them impossible to keep, or who were old enough that they weren't worth keeping by the end of their time in NY.
Beware of a fake McKenzie Twitter  
bigbluehoya : 6/24/2016 9:04 pm : link
Account peddling Kreider to Edm for RNH.

Very convincing looking fake. Z and N flipped in the handle
That's a shit deal for Ari  
bigbluehoya : 6/24/2016 9:14 pm : link
That kid just got worked
Clearing Datsyuk's salary  
pganut : 6/24/2016 9:18 pm : link
Lets DET in the game financially to sign Stamkos if he leaves TB.
That trade is a windfall for Detroit  
bigbluehoya : 6/24/2016 9:21 pm : link
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Looks  
Giantfootball025 : 6/24/2016 9:39 pm : link
like I got sucked into the media frenzy of them telling us that a crazy amounts of trades were going to happen. Damn it.
Good pick in Bellows  
pganut : 6/24/2016 9:48 pm : link
Won't help immediately as he'll go to BU, which is fine since he'll grow another couple of inches and add weight. 6 feet, 183 lbs currently. 18 years old.

NHLN guys just said he's the best pure goalscorer in the draft outside of Laine. Kid says he likes to mix it up and get to the dirty areas.

For the US U18 National team developmental program in 2016, he was 50-31-81 in 62 games (with 101 PIMs). Also was 16-16-32 in 23 USHL games in 2016.
Nice MN article on Bellows - ( New Window )
Was hoping for a trade  
JayBinQueens : 6/24/2016 9:53 pm : link
But bellows sounds like he can replace MDC or ho sang if they go that route
Is  
Giantfootball025 : 6/24/2016 9:58 pm : link
Bellows father the "tit fucker"?
Get off the ice Bellows - ( New Window )
More on Bellows  
pganut : 6/24/2016 10:02 pm : link
From thedraftanalyst.com:
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Bellows is a well-built goal scorer with a low center of gravity who can play a punishing, heavy yet cerebral game. Hes a good skater with tremendous balance and moves well laterally. And while he used play center for Edinas powerhouse high school program, Bellows is most certainly better suited as a shooter from the flank. Hes built like a Mack truck and plays with fire, using tremendous athleticism and work ethic to maintain his compete level, even during extended shifts. Hes extremely difficult to move off the puck, and hes proven to be a load to handle for some of the NCAAs bigger defensemen. Bellows is a hard, accurate passer, but can also feather a pass off the rush or lead his teammates with timing and precision.

Bellows approach towards every shift is to keep himself involved at all times in order to acquire the puck, using his physical gifts and wide frame to protect it as he maneuvers towards the net. Take our word for it if a defender is nervous going back for the puck, Bellows will sniff it out and exploit that fear. He plays an aggressive, sometimes stubborn game, often too much for his own good. Getting whistled for bad penalties is a habit hes had since high school, and fixing that should be a training objective when he plays for Boston University next season. When he keeps his emotions in check, however, he can be an unstoppable force.

I also like this tweet from the writer on that website:
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Steve Kournianos @TheDraftAnalyst

Isles take heavy-hitting sniper Kieffer Bellows. Mean and hard to play against. Undoubtedly will annoy NYR fans
RE: More on Bellows  
Drewcon40 : 6/24/2016 10:13 pm : link
In comment 13008441 pganut said:
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From thedraftanalyst.com:

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I also like this tweet from the writer on that website:

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Steve Kournianos @TheDraftAnalyst

Isles take heavy-hitting sniper Kieffer Bellows. Mean and hard to play against. Undoubtedly will annoy NYR fans



I'm already annoyed that you posted this pg! : )
Love it  
Fish : 6/24/2016 10:15 pm : link
I like mean goal scorers.
RE: RE: More on Bellows  
pganut : 6/24/2016 10:16 pm : link
In comment 13008448 Drewcon40 said:
Quote:
Steve Kournianos @TheDraftAnalyst

Isles take heavy-hitting sniper Kieffer Bellows. Mean and hard to play against. Undoubtedly will annoy NYR fans


I'm already annoyed that you posted this pg! : )
Sorry, Drew...when I saw the writer make that comment, I couldn't resist!
Absolutely brutal two days for Knicks and Rangers fans  
Anakim : 6/25/2016 10:29 am : link
No first or second rounders for either team. BOOOPOOOOOOOORING
Was surprised the Flyers didn't take Bellows  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/25/2016 10:38 am : link
and then they moved down and ended up with the Russian C. I like Bellows and think he will be a good Islander.
Devs take Nathan Bastian at 41  
Dunedin81 : 6/25/2016 10:38 am : link
Certainly a dearth of RW talent in the org.
Stamkos is a pipedream for the Rangers  
Anakim : 6/25/2016 10:40 am : link
Sounds like he'll either remain with the Lightning or sign a huge deal with the Sabres or Red Wings.
Devils trade for Beau Bennett  
Anakim : 6/25/2016 11:12 am : link
Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun
New Jerrsey acquires Beau Bennett from Pittsburgh for pick No. 77. Ray Shero getting one of his old kids back.
With their third rounder, the Rangers take D Sean Day of the OHL  
Anakim : 6/25/2016 11:20 am : link
58th ranked by TSN.

Frank SeravalliVerified account ‏@frank_seravalli
#NYR select Sean Day with the 81st pick, a player who was granted exceptional status in the #OHL as a 15-year-old.


Ryan Kennedy ‏@THNRyanKennedy
Rangers take Sean Day with their first pick. There is obviously a lot of risk here (commitment?), but high potential, too (great skater).
More on Sean Day from Detroit:  
Anakim : 6/25/2016 11:27 am : link
Ranked 59th among North American skaters in the NHL Central Scouting Final Rankings


Blueshirt Bulletin ‏@NYRBlueBulletin
A few years back he was considered a potential top-end first rounder. Has the potential to be a very nice pickup for the Blueshirts.
Day is 6'2" and 229 lbs. Described by Elite Prospects as a mobile two-way defender who boats elite skill.

Sean Hartnett ‏@HartnettHockey
Sean Day, a left-handed d-man collected 22 pts (six goals, 16 assists) in 57 last season for Mississauga. #NYR prospect listed at 6'2", 228.


Adam Herman ‏@AdamZHerman
Sean Day has everything you want in terms of the toolbox. Good size, great skater. He hasn't put it together yet.
Sean Day (just to annoy Fish)  
Anakim : 6/25/2016 11:35 am : link
A mobile two-way defenceman who boasts an elite level skill package. Strong on the forecheck and delivers hard shots and crisp passes. His consistency and enthusiasm exhibited at the game's defining moments does seem to wane, and the pressure felt seems to impact his decision-making slightly. When focusing on simplifying his game and getting all the little things right, he becomes a forceful impact that is hungry to be a difference maker. All-in-all, a talented two-way defenceman who has all of the raw abilities in place to become an elite defenceman, but has yet to put it all together and prove that he can thrive in the driver's seat. (Curtis Joe, EP 2015) - See more at: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=228106#sthash.ZxtKFBEB.dpuf



Pat Leonard ‏@PLeonardNYDN
Day was born in Belgium. In 2013 at 15yo became just 4th player to receive OHL exception status after Tavares, Ekblad, McDavid


^^^I'd say that's pretty good company


With the Rangers next pick, they select D Tarmo Reunanen of Finland  
Anakim : 6/25/2016 11:42 am : link
Adam Herman ‏@AdamZHerman
Tarmo Reunanen is a bit off the board, but is a puck-moving defenseman. NYR addressing need in a serious way. Adam Herman. Reunanen is another gamble pick by NYR. Injury hurt his stock. With some luck, it's a bargain.


"Defenseman Tarmo Reunanen was a lynchpin as a top four defenseman for a surprisingly good Finnish club at this years Ivan Hlinka Memorial Tournament. Never shying away from opposition shots or physical play, Reunanen consistently battled in the corners, came away with pucks, and headily moved them up to his forward teammates. He finished the tournament with one assist along with six penalty minutes in five games.
Read more at http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/128355/2016-nhl-draft-qa-team-finland-defenseman-tarmo-reunanen/#xTIZHsBOmsRjmoQY.99"


Final Rank: 53, Midterm Rank: 33. 6' 0", Weight: 178
Rangers next pick is W Tim Gettinger of Ohio and the OHL  
Anakim : 6/25/2016 12:24 pm : link
Ryan Yessie ‏@RyanHPscout
New York Rangers take Tim Gettinger . He's a 6'5" forward, he's a bit of a project but he has great hands and intriguing upside.


Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman
Rangers take Tim Gettinger. Came in with hype but under performed a little. I still like him as a big guy with decent hands who can PK.

Adam Herman ‏@AdamZHerman
NYR take Tim Gettinger. I like the pick. He's big but also have offensive instincts. Definitelyt a fifth-round talent. @Halvy31 teammate.

OHL Prospects ‏@BrockOtten
NYR take my highest ranked OHL player left, Tim Gettinger. Huge kid, great skater. Needs to play with more jam & use his size. Potential tho


What Scouts See
Bill Placzek, Draft Site
Oversized lanky wing with surprising feet and mobility, hockey sense and hands. has long term potential as an NHL power forward down the road. Plays on both the PP and PK. A three zone player with a good release, soft hands, and inside touch. Plays pretty strong with the puck and along the boards, and makes good decisions in all phases. Long term prospect with good upside.

HockeyProspect.com Black Book
Gettinger is a huge winger who has extremely skilled hands. He does a great job stickhandling around defenders despite lacking great skating ability to evade defenders. When he can combine this with good body positioning it makes it nearly impossible to get the puck off him. He has improved in this area, as he was too easy to knock off the puck early in the season. He has good positioning in the slot on the power play and has contributed to some goals here because of quick hands and the goaltenders inability to see past him.


Ranked #73 by Bob McKenzie
Rangers take C Gabriel Fontaine of the QMJHL AND G Tyler Wall from OHL  
Anakim : 6/25/2016 12:52 pm : link
Ranked #163 by Hockeyprospect.com
Ranked #95 by McKeen's Hockey

Jrme Brub
‏@Jerome_Berube
NYR goes with Gabriel Fontaine in the 6th round. Very happy with this pick. 2nd year eligible, we had Fontaine ranked 163.





Ranked #195 by Hockeyprospect.com
Ranked #30 by NHL Central Scouting (NA Goalies)

For Wall (good name for a Goalie). He's going to UMass-Lowell


Final pick for the Rangers: W Ty Ronning. Cliff's son.  
Anakim : 6/25/2016 1:27 pm : link
Yes, that Cliff Ronning of the 1994 Vancouver Canucks.
What does this mean? Is it good or bad?  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2016 1:34 pm : link
Quote:
.....Definitelyt a fifth-round talent.....


it was said above for the Rangers 5th round pick.

does it mean he's a legit 5th round pick and is likely to never set foot in MSG or he's talented more than the 5th round typically dictates.

NHL odds of finding a contributor after the first few rounds are dismal.
Unless you draft a goalie in the 7th round  
TheMick7 : 6/25/2016 1:37 pm : link
as the Rangers did in 2000.
More on Ty Ronning:  
Anakim : 6/25/2016 1:38 pm : link
Adam Herman ‏@AdamZHerman
Ty Ronning is basically a walking clich. Supremely talented forward who is 5'9 so scouts were scared off. This was the ideal pick.


Elite Prospects: A small but industrious speedster that always seeks to be engaged in the play. Skates very well and has the shiftiness to avoid being rubbed out. Isnt afraid of physical play, but knows his role as an offensive catalyst and plays to his strengths. Excellent hands and hockey sense. Only knock is his size, but that doesnt impede his compete level. Possesses the fundamental skills and natural goal scoring instincts that make the players around him better.


Future Considerations: Ronning, the son of former NHLer Cliff, is an offensive-minded forward just like his father. He is an explosive, wide-based skater who is able to quickly drive lanes and exploit mistakes on the ice. When he sees an opening, he uses his powerful first step to turn on the jets and jump to the attack, showing a great compete level around loose pucks. He complements this speed and shiftiness with great hands and solid intelligence. Ronning is a slippery player who can operate with the puck at high speed.



Once thought of as undersized and injury-prone, he started flying out of the ashes from the CHL prospects game and had a 30 goal and 59 point season, without the luxury of a high edn centreman to feed him the puck. Relentless in puck pursuit, very similar to his father, Cliff, a former NHLer. A quick agile skater who attacks the goalie with patience and cuts and weaves fearlessly in the attack zone, eventually having the goaltender commit and for him to capitalize. Can take a hit and make the play. Projects as a small fourth line NHLer with hustle and jump.


--Bill Placzek--
RE: Unless you draft a goalie in the 7th round  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2016 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13008969 TheMick7 said:
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as the Rangers did in 2000.


Sure, go back 16 years. Every 16 years you'll get a gem in the late rounds.

I was just asking how the author meant the comment.

the odds of NHL draft round success are well documented.

the 5th round "talent" has a 14% chance of playing in 100 NHL games.

Pick Appeared In NHL Played 100+ Games In NHL
Top-5 100% 96.3%
6-10 100% 78.1%
Rest of First Round 88.6% 63.0%
Second Round 65.7% 31.1%
Third Round 50.7% 27.9%
Fourth Round 36.0% 18.7%
Fifth Round 29.9% 14.2%
Sixth Round 30.0% 14.3%
Seventh Through Ninth Rounds 27.1% 11.6%
Love the Day pick  
Deej : 6/25/2016 1:49 pm : link
LOVE it.
RE: Love the Day pick  
Anakim : 6/25/2016 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13008975 Deej said:
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LOVE it.


I'm definitely going to call him "Sheldon Day" more than once. #Draftsmixup
Sounds like Day has been through a lot:  
Anakim : 6/25/2016 3:05 pm : link
His older brother is in jail for vehicular manslaughter due to drunk driving.

His mother was hospitalized with Lupus
Day's talent level is that of a top 1-3 pick  
Deej : 6/25/2016 3:35 pm : link
He's the size of a linebacker and he's such a good skater that it's deceptive. He's not Erik Karlsson but there arent a lot of better dmen skaters than him. Effortless. Beautiful. Can shoot all the shots. Can work the corners.

His problem is between the ears. Not a great hockey IQ. Not clear that he LOVES hockey. If you can get thru to him, he's a top pair dman. If not, it's a #3. So what. He'll be in the OHL for two years which I think is bad news. He should play with men. Physically that's where he is, and with men he'd have to try harder. But I trust the Rangers to guide him to good decisions. Hopefully as he matures he commits to being great. Or we write him off.
From Yahoo, October 2015  
Deej : 6/25/2016 3:36 pm : link
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Mark Seidel, the chief scout for North American Central Scouting, likens Day to St. Louis Blues defenceman Jay Bouwmeester in everything from skating ability to temperament. He says the Steelheads veteran is clearly a top-five talent.

Thats the rosy outlook.

The cloudy one: Seidel currently has Day ranked as the 32nd overall pick. He even knows a few in his scouting brethren that dont think Day will be drafted. At all.

Although he believes such a view is ludicrous, Seidel is certain there will be a lot of battles in (NHL) team scouting meetings when Days name comes up.

Hes one of the most unique players Ive ever scouted in my entire history doing this over 22 years, Seidel said. In a sense hes kind of like (2014 New York Islanders first-rounder and Niagara IceDog) Josh Ho-Sang, polarizing for different reasons. From a physical standpoint, this kid has tools NHL players dream about. Hes a linebacker on skates.

But he really lacks urgency. Hes got a real passive quality to his game. With his abilities, he could take the game over and simply dominate. Yet, he doesnt.

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This is good to tuck away for when the next offseason comes  
pganut : 6/26/2016 9:42 am : link
Regarding the LV expansion and pre-expansion draft transactions (source: LeBrun, ESPN; bold emphasis added is mine):

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I asked deputy commissioner Bill Daly Saturday when the new Las Vegas expansion franchise would be able to start making trades. After all, they own picks in next year's NHL draft."We havent finalized that yet, but were inclined to do something different than we've done with prior expansion teams," responded Daly. "It used to be that you couldn't make player transactions until the expansion draft. We're inclined to give them the right to begin making player transactions, or draft-pick transactions, sooner than that; likely around June 1 of next year."

That would be about three weeks earlier than in past expansion years. That will give the Las Vegas team more time to wheel and deal ahead of the expansion draft with teams wanting to pay a price in order to have Las Vegas not pick a certain player from their roster. Daly said the league has no issue with these types of trades as long as they're above-board.

"I think our feeling on that, and one of the reasons we'll have a player transaction window in advance, is that those deals are legitimate deals," said Daly. "Obviously clubs are getting value for making those commitments, but those commitments will be transparent and part of a bona fide player transaction, as opposed to handshakes before theyre able to do those."
Rangers believed to be interested in bringing in Thomas Vanek for a  
Anakim : 6/26/2016 11:00 pm : link
year, ala Pouliot.
The highly unreliable depths  
bigbluehoya : 6/27/2016 8:37 am : link
Of the Twitterverse seem to think that there is a deal already in place.

We shall see.
RE: The highly unreliable depths  
Anakim : 6/27/2016 9:09 am : link
In comment 13010481 bigbluehoya said:
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Of the Twitterverse seem to think that there is a deal already in place.

We shall see.



Haven't seen that but it wouldn't be a bad signing. He's not the Vanek from 10 years ago, but he's still the sniper and PP player we need. He's still productive offensively. I think it'd also be another nail in the coffin for Nash.
Isles in the hunt for Stamkos?  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/27/2016 12:46 pm : link
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Forsberg and Nashville  
JayBinQueens : 6/27/2016 2:26 pm : link
agree on a 6 year $36 mil contract
one correction, Deej  
Greg from LI : 6/27/2016 2:42 pm : link
Because of his age exception, he will only be in juniors for one more year, not two.
Reading more on Sean Day  
Kyle in NY : 6/27/2016 2:45 pm : link
sounds like we did really well to get a talent like that in the 3rd round.
when you consider that relatively few third round picks become more  
Greg from LI : 6/27/2016 2:59 pm : link
than marginal NHL players, it would be foolish not to roll the dice on a guy with phenomenal talent who just hasn't put that talent to much use yet. There isn't much risk there when the average third round pick is probably a guy who drifts between the NHL and the AHL.

Obviously, no one knows what's in Day's heart and mind. If he can tap into even 50% of his talent level, he'll probably be an NHL regular. If he puts it all together, he's a potential Norris candidate. He has all the physical tools and skills you'd want in a defenseman. Big, powerful, great skater, great puck skills, crisp passes. He just doesn't produce all that much with those gifts yet. Maybe he will, maybe he won't, but in that round they definitely were right to pull the trigger. Duclair (*sniffle*) dropped for a lot of the same reasons. It's not an apples to apples comparison because Duclair wasn't considered to be the same level of talent in the first place and had produced at a high level before struggling through an injury-hampered year and had size concerns, but probably the major reason why he went in the third instead of the first is because Roy bagged on the kid and claimed he was lazy and disinterested.
Was able to enter the OHL early at age 15  
Kyle in NY : 6/27/2016 3:02 pm : link
He was given a special provision as an exceptional talent.

The players that have also been given that provision are pretty special. Tavares, McDavid, guys like that. We'll see
Not the cocaine division?  
Anakim : 6/27/2016 3:05 pm : link
Chris Johnston ‏@reporterchris
Wade Redden hired by #preds as assistant director of player development.
he's the first guy with an age exemption not to go top-5  
Greg from LI : 6/27/2016 3:10 pm : link
Now, you could look on that as a discouraging bit of info, but it does show that he was considered to be an exceptional talent.

Sometimes a failure to meet really high expectations causes evaluators to be blind to someone who is still a good player. Brett Hull was a 6th round pick because he was fat as a young player and teams thought he was coasting by on talent alone and lacked the work ethic to play
Some say it was because of his size  
Anakim : 6/27/2016 3:12 pm : link
That he was too big for junior hockey so he had to play with bigger boys.


I don't know. I don't know enough about him.
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arcarsenal : 6/27/2016 3:14 pm : link
NHL draft picks are tougher than NFL and NBA because we actually get to see those guys play a good amount and know more about them as players when they're drafted. Everything I've read about Day tells me that there's huge value potential based on where we were able to get him but I've certainly never seen the guy play and didn't know he existed prior to the draft.

Certainly sounds like there's a really high ceiling, though.. which is a big plus.
RE: .  
Anakim : 6/27/2016 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13011429 arcarsenal said:
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NHL draft picks are tougher than NFL and NBA because we actually get to see those guys play a good amount and know more about them as players when they're drafted. Everything I've read about Day tells me that there's huge value potential based on where we were able to get him but I've certainly never seen the guy play and didn't know he existed prior to the draft.

Certainly sounds like there's a really high ceiling, though.. which is a big plus.


Yeah, they say he's the epitome of a boom or bust guy. He'll either be out of the league or a superstar defenseman. I posted stuff about him when he was drafted.
Eric Lindros has been inducted into the HOF  
Anakim : 6/27/2016 3:34 pm : link
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RE: Eric Lindros has been inducted into the HOF  
pganut : 6/27/2016 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13011485 Anakim said:
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As are Rogie Vachon, Sergei Makarov and Pat Quinn.
not necessarily an either/or thing  
Greg from LI : 6/27/2016 4:34 pm : link
He could also be a John Moore - a player with a high talent level who holds down a spot in an NHL lineup but never comes close to realizing his potential.
RE: .  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2016 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13011429 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
NHL draft picks are tougher than NFL and NBA because we actually get to see those guys play a good amount and know more about them as players when they're drafted. Everything I've read about Day tells me that there's huge value potential based on where we were able to get him but I've certainly never seen the guy play and didn't know he existed prior to the draft.

Certainly sounds like there's a really high ceiling, though.. which is a big plus.


this guy sounds too good to be true, some people mature later than others. will be interesting to follow him.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 6/27/2016 5:45 pm : link
In comment 13011656 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
In comment 13011429 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


NHL draft picks are tougher than NFL and NBA because we actually get to see those guys play a good amount and know more about them as players when they're drafted. Everything I've read about Day tells me that there's huge value potential based on where we were able to get him but I've certainly never seen the guy play and didn't know he existed prior to the draft.

Certainly sounds like there's a really high ceiling, though.. which is a big plus.



this guy sounds too good to be true, some people mature later than others. will be interesting to follow him.


Yeah, I kind of agree but who knows. I'm not going to pretend I know anything about the kid but it's hard to believe that someone with size and talent like this lasted until rd. 3. Is his "want to" that questionable where there's a legitimate concern that he just doesn't like playing hockey all that much?
RE: one correction, Deej  
Deej : 6/27/2016 5:49 pm : link
In comment 13011351 Greg from LI said:
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Because of his age exception, he will only be in juniors for one more year, not two.


Good news. Get him out of juniors.
6 x $3.9m for Shaw  
bigbluehoya : 6/27/2016 8:59 pm : link
Seems like a lot for a 3C, but IMO it's really not terrible for a guy whose best hockey should be ahead of him and has a decent mix of skill, toughness, and sandpaper.

In a world where Matt Martin looks to be commanding $2.5m or more per year, it's hard to slam this deal.

And if the league finally ever gets a few consecutive years of cap growth, could ultimately look like a bargain.

pj - what are your thoughts??
I meant to add  
bigbluehoya : 6/27/2016 9:02 pm : link
That is a deal that I'd love to see the Rangers slide in front of Kreider and Miller.

RE: 6 x $3.9m for Shaw  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2016 9:27 pm : link
In comment 13011879 bigbluehoya said:
Quote:
Seems like a lot for a 3C, but IMO it's really not terrible for a guy whose best hockey should be ahead of him and has a decent mix of skill, toughness, and sandpaper.

In a world where Matt Martin looks to be commanding $2.5m or more per year, it's hard to slam this deal.

And if the league finally ever gets a few consecutive years of cap growth, could ultimately look like a bargain.

pj - what are your thoughts??


I feel like the NHL draft is more of a crapshoot than some of you, but the fact the Canadiens had to trade 2nd round picks for the right to pay Shaw that much doesn't feel right.

I have felt like Bergevin has done some good things, but this off-season so far is pretty questionable.

I wasn't a huge Lars Eller fan - though he was better defensively than Shaw, but it seems pretty much like a wash Shaw for Eller and then the two seconds in this year's draft give up for Shaw and in return for Eller two 2nds back but a 2nd in 2017 and one in 2018 from Washington.

seems like moves for the sake of moves unless Bergevin felt strongly this was just a pitiful draft after the first round.

Plus there's the whole homophobic slur suspension for Shaw.

The Canadiens are still built on Price, Subban, Paccioretty and Galchenyuk and to a lesser extent, Plekanec and Gallagher and then a bunch of Jags.

They need another top 6 forward and top 4 D-man.

So far they don't have either.
Rangers and Ducks  
B in ALB : 6/28/2016 1:21 pm : link
in trade talks. Rick Nash for Shea Theodore, Rikard Rakell and picks. Via tsn.
If they got those guys plus picks for Nash straight up  
Greg from LI : 6/28/2016 1:39 pm : link
Gorton will lock up Executive of the Year already. Seems like there would have to be more heading out than just Nash.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/28/2016 1:41 pm : link
Yeah, that's a pretty nice haul for Nash.. I would be really happy with that. Would be surprised if that went through.
Both Rakell and Theodore were first round picks  
Greg from LI : 6/28/2016 1:48 pm : link
Rakell is 22, good size in the middle (6'2" 210) and just posted 20-23-43 in his second full NHL season. Theodore is 20, 3-5-8 in 19 NHL games and 9-28-37 in 50 AHL games, a defenseman with plus offensive skills.

If they really are looking to get Rakell back in a Nash deal, one of Stepan/Brassard/Hayes would have to be headed out, I'd imagine. Center would be getting awfully crowded. If you put any stock into the notion that they're going to go hard for Stamkos, maybe they try to package one of those centers with Staal/Girardi.
BTW...where are you seeing this, B?  
arcarsenal : 6/28/2016 2:31 pm : link
Literally can't find anything on this anywhere.
That would be an insane win for NYR imo.  
Andy in Halifax : 6/28/2016 2:42 pm : link
I'm not a huge Nash fan though.
Do it  
Anakim : 6/28/2016 2:45 pm : link
Haven't seen it on Twitter
.  
arcarsenal : 6/28/2016 2:46 pm : link
Yeah, I feel like if there was any traction here it would be at least popping up somewhere. I honestly don't see anything even related.
They sending Anthony Davis as well, there B?  
Davisian : 6/28/2016 2:53 pm : link
Fuckin lyin asshat

I just want everyone here to tell me it's going to be OK  
djm : 6/28/2016 2:55 pm : link
and that the Rangers will find a way to stay fiscally afloat roster wise and they will be playing in June next year.

Thanks in advance.
It's not ok  
Fish : 6/28/2016 3:06 pm : link
Shit gonna hit the fan. Run.
I've seen suggestions that the Rangers have talked to the Ducks  
Greg from LI : 6/28/2016 3:26 pm : link
about a Nash deal, and I've seen Rakell's name mentioned, but never Theodore. I've seen people throwing Rakell's name, along with Silfverberg, around as players the Rangers would probably ask for. Haven't seen anything concrete, though, and certainly nothing including Theodore with Rakell.
Ledecky hosting a town hall meet and greet  
marbles : 6/28/2016 3:54 pm : link
at the Barclays on July 14.

Should we be optimistic regarding offseason moves that will strengthen the team?

You would think Ledecky would not want to introduce himself if all the team did was lose Okposo and Nielsen.
RE: Ledecky hosting a town hall meet and greet  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/28/2016 4:20 pm : link
In comment 13012823 marbles said:
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at the Barclays on July 14.

Should we be optimistic regarding offseason moves that will strengthen the team?

You would think Ledecky would not want to introduce himself if all the team did was lose Okposo and Nielsen.


Nice. And I agree with your read on the situation.
No guarantee  
Fish : 6/28/2016 4:39 pm : link
They sign anyone even if they try. Therefore ledecky could walk into a shit storm if worst case scenario happens.
RE: No guarantee  
Davisian : 6/28/2016 5:15 pm : link
In comment 13012923 Fish said:
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They sign anyone even if they try. Therefore ledecky could walk into a shit storm if worst case scenario happens.



When are you arriving for UM at Red Rocks?
RE: RE: No guarantee  
Fish : 6/28/2016 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13012997 Davisian said:
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In comment 13012923 Fish said:


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They sign anyone even if they try. Therefore ledecky could walk into a shit storm if worst case scenario happens.




When are you arriving for UM at Red Rocks?


I'm not. You turned me down.
Get here wasn't clear enough?  
Davisian : 6/28/2016 5:58 pm : link
Pussy
Chalk up another one who earns less than Staal and Girardi  
Anakim : 6/29/2016 10:34 am : link
David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod
Blue Jackets have agreed to terms with D Seth Jones on a six-year, $32.4M extension ($5.4M AAV).
RE: Chalk up another one who earns less than Staal and Girardi  
feelflows : 6/29/2016 10:41 am : link
In comment 13013604 Anakim said:
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David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod
Blue Jackets have agreed to terms with D Seth Jones on a six-year, $32.4M extension ($5.4M AAV).


you're not putting this in perspective.

Jones' contract covers a bunch of team controlled years where he would've made a lot less than he's $5.4AAV.

Girardi and Staal are vets who were on UFA contracts.

Apples/Oranges
RE: RE: Chalk up another one who earns less than Staal and Girardi  
Anakim : 6/29/2016 10:52 am : link
In comment 13013616 feelflows said:
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In comment 13013604 Anakim said:


Quote:


David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod
Blue Jackets have agreed to terms with D Seth Jones on a six-year, $32.4M extension ($5.4M AAV).



you're not putting this in perspective.

Jones' contract covers a bunch of team controlled years where he would've made a lot less than he's $5.4AAV.

Girardi and Staal are vets who were on UFA contracts.

Apples/Oranges



True, but I was just pointing it out
RE: RE: RE: Chalk up another one who earns less than Staal and Girardi  
Deej : 6/29/2016 10:59 am : link
In comment 13013643 Anakim said:
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True, but I was just pointing it out


But the point is meaningless. It's only worth pointing out if the context wasnt true. It would be like complaining about how much we pay Stepan when McDavid makes a lot less.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/29/2016 11:16 am : link
Sooooo that Nash/ANA rumor was made up, or...?
McDonough at 4.7 per?  
Drewcon40 : 6/29/2016 11:25 am : link
Not apples to apples but a better comparison
Islanders in on the hunt for Andrew Ladd  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/29/2016 11:31 am : link
Is it Friday yet?

Quote:

Darren DregerVerified account
‏@DarrenDreger
Islanders, Nashville, Tampa Bay, Montreal...among the many with interest in Andrew Ladd. When Stamkos decision is made the next wave hits.

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RE: RE: Chalk up another one who earns less than Staal and Girardi  
Davisian : 6/29/2016 11:51 am : link
In comment 13013616 feelflows said:
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In comment 13013604 Anakim said:


Quote:


David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod
Blue Jackets have agreed to terms with D Seth Jones on a six-year, $32.4M extension ($5.4M AAV).



you're not putting this in perspective.

Jones' contract covers a bunch of team controlled years where he would've made a lot less than he's $5.4AAV.

Girardi and Staal are vets who were on UFA contracts.

Apples/Oranges




Except the Apples compared to the Oranges here had the Rangers doing "Bridge deals" during those cost controlled years and it ended up costing them more for these guys in the long run..

at this point I'm gonna say it was made up, yeah  
Greg from LI : 6/29/2016 11:53 am : link
B needs to explain himself!
Sorry fellas  
B in ALB : 6/29/2016 11:55 am : link
I read it on some Rangerstown account that sited TSN as the source.
B's whole area  
Davisian : 6/29/2016 12:03 pm : link
Is junk
.  
arcarsenal : 6/29/2016 12:10 pm : link
Go sit in the corner with Thomas. You're in time out.
RE: B's whole area  
B in ALB : 6/29/2016 12:20 pm : link
In comment 13013829 Davisian said:
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Is junk


What're you doing awake? Isn't it like 10:00 in Colorado?
RE: RE: B's whole area  
Davisian : 6/29/2016 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13013884 B in ALB said:
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In comment 13013829 Davisian said:


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Is junk



What're you doing awake? Isn't it like 10:00 in Colorado?



Wake n bake

atta boy  
B in ALB : 6/29/2016 12:30 pm : link
i knew you must've learned something in Morgantown.
Also how to check sources.  
Davisian : 6/29/2016 12:43 pm : link
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Cliff Notes  
B in ALB : 6/29/2016 1:04 pm : link
isn't a source pal.
Good and bad part of not having Sather as GM right now  
Anakim : 6/29/2016 1:09 pm : link
Good: we're not gonna give Stamps some absurd contract because (Bad) we can't afford it due to Girardi, Staal and Nash.
*Stamkos  
Anakim : 6/29/2016 2:44 pm : link
Fucking autocorrect.

I wouldn't touch Stamkos for anything over 8 million. Too risky given his history with blood clots.
RE: *Stamkos  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2016 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13014202 Anakim said:
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Fucking autocorrect.

I wouldn't touch Stamkos for anything over 8 million. Too risky given his history with blood clots.


He'll get over 10M I bet. I'm leery too, but someone won't be.
I suspect we're waiting on Nash  
Deej : 6/29/2016 2:52 pm : link
until after Stamkos picks a team. Sounds like 1/3 or more of the league is clearing cap space for him, and obviously only one team can sign him.
RE: I suspect we're waiting on Nash  
Anakim : 6/29/2016 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13014226 Deej said:
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until after Stamkos picks a team. Sounds like 1/3 or more of the league is clearing cap space for him, and obviously only one team can sign him.


I agree. I think whichever teams don't get Stamkos will be interested in Nash as a consolation prize.
Devils just traded for Taylor Hall  
Anakim : 6/29/2016 3:27 pm : link
FUCK
Anyone see Hall to Devils?  
Drewcon40 : 6/29/2016 3:28 pm : link
on twitter?
sorry anak...  
Drewcon40 : 6/29/2016 3:28 pm : link
..looks like you posted it.
Hall for Larsson  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 6/29/2016 3:40 pm : link
straight up seems to be the deal.

1 for 1 trade
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ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 6/29/2016 3:43 pm : link
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It is a straight one-for-one deal. Hall for Larsson.


Off the bat...What a horrible trade for Edmonton IMO. 24 year old winger coming off a 65 point, 26 goal season.
Oilers making a salary dump?  
NYG27 : 6/29/2016 3:44 pm : link
Hall's contract has 2 years left at roughly $12 million, while Larsson still has 5 years at $20+ million.

Maybe they know they can't pay Hall in 2 years when he's a free agent and would rather control Larsson for the next 5 years in return?
.  
Anakim : 6/29/2016 3:53 pm : link
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Talk of @Canadiens moving PK as early as today. Stay tuned. @Sportsnet.
Subban and the Hall deals  
Deej : 6/29/2016 3:57 pm : link
have their own threads.
Bad deals for both Canadian teams  
Kyle in NY : 6/29/2016 4:01 pm : link
I'm not sure which one is worse. wow
Stamkos stays with Tampa  
MetsAreBack : 6/29/2016 4:03 pm : link

FUCK. State income tax plays a factor yet again.
quite a sequence there  
Kyle in NY : 6/29/2016 4:04 pm : link
for the NHL.

Anybody want Rick Nash now??
RE: quite a sequence there  
Mike in Long Beach : 6/29/2016 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13014408 Kyle in NY said:
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for the NHL.

Anybody want Rick Nash now??


Hahaha yeah my brain is struggling to process everything.
Oooooohhhh  
KWhite2250 : 6/29/2016 4:15 pm : link
Whats garth snows answer? Hes gotta have something big coming 🙄
RE: Oooooohhhh  
Fish : 6/29/2016 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13014441 KWhite2250 said:
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Whats garth snows answer? Hes gotta have something big coming 🙄


Welcome back PA and Moulson!!!!
RE: RE: Oooooohhhh  
KWhite2250 : 6/29/2016 4:55 pm : link
In comment 13014472 Fish said:
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In comment 13014441 KWhite2250 said:


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Whats garth snows answer? Hes gotta have something big coming 🙄



Welcome back PA and Moulson!!!!


I was thinking PA and Vanek but to my surprise it sounds like other teams still may want Vanek. I expected his suitors to be so bad he would have to suck it up and play in brooklyn after he complained about the move when he left
Wait, so the Isles could've had Hall for Hamonic and said no?  
Davisian : 6/29/2016 5:29 pm : link
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA

#yupsnow'd

Stamkos was too young  
Giants2012 : 6/29/2016 6:04 pm : link
for the Rangers anyway.
It's too bad Sports are the way they are  
Dave M : 6/29/2016 6:24 pm : link
Because the Isles and Rangers would be great trade partners right now. I know the Rangers may just end up trading Nash for the entire Western Conference but Nash for some young guys and/or picks would make sense.
RE: It's too bad Sports are the way they are  
Anakim : 6/29/2016 6:35 pm : link
In comment 13014608 Dave M said:
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Because the Isles and Rangers would be great trade partners right now. I know the Rangers may just end up trading Nash for the entire Western Conference but Nash for some young guys and/or picks would make sense.


I could see Nash intriguing any team that struck out on Stamkos. Detroit, Toronto, Anaheim...


That is, if they have the cap room
I'm curious to see which, if any,  
bigbluehoya : 6/29/2016 10:25 pm : link
Of the major sports will be the first to try and tackle the disparity caused by state and local taxes. It's a significant inequality. I'm all for the concept
of competitive advantage, but this just flies in the face of the idea of an level playing field / equality of opportunity.


Bruins buy out  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2016 12:48 pm : link
Seidenberg.

Their D is hurting.

Maybe the Canadiens can flip them She Weber for Pastrnak.
Evander Kane allegedly on the market  
Davisian : 6/30/2016 1:29 pm : link
According to Georges Laraque
Bruins  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2016 1:48 pm : link
may try and sign Trouba.

they have a lot of cap room I believe.
Holy shit  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2016 1:54 pm : link
if this is true, the Bruins are planning to sign Trouba to an offer sheet making him the second highest paid player in the league in AAV (after Stamkos) and it would cost them 4 1st round picks.

I don't understand how all this works in the NHL but after yesterdays kick to the nuts, please make this be true.

All this after allegedly turning down a Trouba for Ericsson trade at the deadline, and Ericsson is now UFA.
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that would be hilarious  
Greg from LI : 6/30/2016 1:58 pm : link
Signing Trouba to a huge contract and losing 4 #1s versus trading Ericsson for him is like My Cousin Vinny debating whether he'd rather get his ass kicked or collect $200.
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arcarsenal : 6/30/2016 1:59 pm : link
Rangers should make a play for Pirri. Thought they should have dealt for him during the year considering how much more they gave up for fucking Staal. Obviously ANA only got like 10 games out of him but losing a 6th rd pick for that isn't the biggest deal.
RE: Oilers making a salary dump?  
Default : 6/30/2016 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13014353 NYG27 said:
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Hall's contract has 2 years left at roughly $12 million, while Larsson still has 5 years at $20+ million.

Maybe they know they can't pay Hall in 2 years when he's a free agent and would rather control Larsson for the next 5 years in return?


Hall has 4-years left on his contract.
Subban  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2016 2:47 pm : link
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I just look forward to trying to win a Stanley Cup, Subban said. Thats your ultimate goal, and I feel that I got a whole lot closer to doing that today.


ouch. Sadly, I agree.
Bruins re-sign Krug  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2016 3:05 pm : link
4 years AAV 5.25M.

After Marchand, Krug is my most hated Bruin. Such a d-bag.

Landeskog?  
Davisian : 6/30/2016 3:17 pm : link
?
RE: Landeskog?  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2016 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13015983 Davisian said:
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?


what about him? trade for him? He's young and very good.

I'd love him on my team's 2nd line.
FYI...  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2016 3:25 pm : link
free agency starts tomorrow at noon.

not sure if people want a separate thread or to keep the discussion here.
RE: FYI...  
pganut : 6/30/2016 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13015999 pjcas18 said:
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free agency starts tomorrow at noon.

not sure if people want a separate thread or to keep the discussion here.
I'm gonna vote separate thread. There's now 12 pages here, so a FA-only thread seems worthwhile. We can try to keep that clean to FA signings and reactions.
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