Now that the calamity of another Pens' Cup has occurred, everyone can move on to the business of getting to June 2017. The Rangers, obviously, have a lot of work to do to get back to being a contender. Word is the salary cap may actually shrink, which puts several teams, including NYR, CHI, and PIT in crunches. Should be an interesting couple of months!
Stempniak - Stamkos - Nelson
Kulemin - Neilsen - Clutterbuck
Grabovski - Cizikas - Prince
Leddy - Boychuk
Hamonic - Pulock
Hickey - de Haan
Halak/Greiss
Make it happen, Garth!
And I'm happy for the Pens. They played great and deserved it.
Sounds like it's time for a Staal brothers reunion down there...
I'd keep them, because you have to expose a certain number of players. Why acquire someone new who you can't keep?
Here are the rules:
So, it's designed to prevent what you suggested IMO. You can't expose pieces of shit unless you play them. I'd rather bite the bullet.
And you can't reacquire a player for a year (jan 1 2018) if you trade him to "stash" him.
I'm not sure what to expect.
On the other, you have to keep in mind that you can only lose one player to the draft. If you're currently projecting that you'd be exposing 3 or 4 really nice assets, you're probably holding a nice deck of cards. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
If you're a team who operates right up at the limits of the salary cap, put yourself in a position where the asset you're most likely to lose is someone who is well-paid and not crazy young. At least then you end up with a consolation prize of a little cap relief.
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Ron Francis has them going in the right direction finally.
Sounds like it's time for a Staal brothers reunion down there...
Um no thanks
The NMC is in effect too. So I think you're right in some part, because less younger players probably have NMC's.
however to bigbluehoya's point and what I was trying to say, if I'm SJ and I have Ward, Thornton, Marleau, and other ancient players, I'm leaving one of them unprotected because they're ancient, high paid, and I value the younger players more.
though Thornton and Marleau are FA's after the 2016 - 2017 season so they're more demonstrative than actual examples.
There are going to be a bunch of angles to this, which will make it difficult to meet without exposing some real value, but will also make it super interesting for the fans who like to mess around with this kind of stuff.
Definitely not a one size fits all team approach.
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Ron Francis has them going in the right direction finally.
Sounds like it's time for a Staal brothers reunion down there...
Um no thanks
No offense but its hard to envision Carolina having its pick of the litter. At least this offseason and next.
I think the gap between the Rangers and the elite teams this year was enormous - but look at how bad those teams were 12 months ago. There's reason for optimism. Gorton apparently did a lot of good in Boston - if he can make a handful of good moves the team could compete again next season.
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Ron Francis has them going in the right direction finally.
Sounds like it's time for a Staal brothers reunion down there...
Um no thanks
No offense but its hard to envision Carolina having its pick of the litter. At least this offseason and next.
Ddidn't say they would have the pick of the litter but they will land FA's.
Get me Hartnell who just waived NTC, JVR and Nuschkin from Dallas.
that's some fancy work by a GM keeping those guys together and MAF did little to nothing to help this cup.
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that's some fancy work by a GM keeping those guys together and MAF did little to nothing to help this cup.
Agree re Boston. Dont agree that it is fancy work keeping together Sid and Geno. How often have we seen players of that caliber actually walk in free agency, in their 20s?
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Thanks for posting. Great summary.
I'd give up a 1st for Eberle in a New York minute.
I'd be happy with Eberle or JVR barring giving up too much.
I was browsing hfboards and see some smoke about Rick Bowness possibly being hired by the Rangers replace Ulf Samulesson after he accepted the Charlotte position.
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and Crosby, Malkin and MAF were 11, 12 and 13 years ago.
that's some fancy work by a GM keeping those guys together and MAF did little to nothing to help this cup.
Agree re Boston. Dont agree that it is fancy work keeping together Sid and Geno. How often have we seen players of that caliber actually walk in free agency, in their 20s?
Ok, fair point, I should have said it's some good GM work keeping those three and remaining competitive.
in fact they've added players like Kessel to the mix instead of just maintaining.
Chicago has stayed competitive too.
the Bruins paid Bergeron, Chara and Krejci after their cup and it cost them they had to trade guys like Boychuk, Lucic, and Hamilton among others. Some teams can't make it work.
the fact the Penguins and Blackhawks have kept their core together this long is impressive to me.
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Stemp isn't a bad bottom 6 addition (assuming some of the other dead wood can be let go). Can also see them add someone like Stalberg for bottom 6 depth and experience. I agree I'd love to see Nichuchkin, but the Isles probably wouldn't try an offer sheet via RFA, rather a trade. Staple tweeted that he does expect the Isles to move their first rounder and that there will likely be trades between now and the end of the draft.
I'd be happy with Eberle or JVR barring giving up too much.
You guys should have went after Kessel last year. He would have been a great get.
It'll never happen, but Nash would be an incredible fit for Tavares. I think the two would make great trading partners if they weren't in the same division - Islanders have picks and prospects that would be enticing.
I like JVR as well (I said last year that if NYR traded Nash at the time they should try to get him and a pick in return) - haven't seen as much of Eberle.
I was browsing hfboards and see some smoke about Rick Bowness possibly being hired by the Rangers replace Ulf Samulesson after he accepted the Charlotte position.
Isn't he with Jon Cooper and the Lightning? Browness would be a nice hire. He coached with AV before. I think everyone assumes Beuke will replace Ulf.
Isn't he with Jon Cooper and the Lightning? Browness would be a nice hire. He coached with AV before. I think everyone assumes Beuke will replace Ulf.
I thought the same thing Anakim but there was a small bit of twitter activity stating this was close or has been agreed upon. None of the main beat writers, as of now but SNY posted this earlier.
Now I think he signed an extension with Tampa Bay.
Sorry for the confusion. I wasn't trying to have my major_tong moment.
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I was browsing hfboards and see some smoke about Rick Bowness possibly being hired by the Rangers replace Ulf Samulesson after he accepted the Charlotte position.
Isn't he with Jon Cooper and the Lightning? Browness would be a nice hire. He coached with AV before. I think everyone assumes Beuke will replace Ulf.
*Bowness
Can't argue with using the 1st rd pick to add a proven vet like Eberle.
This will be a very entertaining off-season for the Isles (and per usual, because we expect that, not a lot will transpire)
If you combine the performance with the hefty contract, Edmonton needs to trade some of its former first rounders, before the majority of them continue to lose more value.
The only way Eberle makes any sense is if he does not cost you any pieces required to get JVR.
In that way, Eberle slides into line two, while JVR is paired with Tavares on the top line.
Not expecting any activity on the Rangers front, but it will be nice to read some official offseason news and hopefully will help me stop vomiting from seeing Hagelin raising the cup in a Pens jersey.
#Blackhawks trade Bryan Bickell AND Teuvo Teravainen to Carolina for second-rounder in 2016 and a third-rounder in 2017.
Canes take on salary with Bickell and get a very nice young player in Teuvo
Teravainen
Bickell
CHI gets:
2016 second-round pick
2017 third-round pick
and Teravainen is an RFA after the season.
including him got CAR to take on Bickell's $4M.
good move. for both IMO.
I wouldn't - he has value as someone who can be exposed in the expansion draft. Further, the buyout is significantly more palatable next year. I think the team needs to look at the next 3-4 years, not just next year.
I read somewhere that teams were inquiring about Staal.
the Blackhawks need to let guys like Sharp, Teravainen, Byfuglin, etc. go.
the Blackhawks need to let guys like Sharp, Teravainen, Byfuglin, etc. go.
Buff has been gone for like 6 years now. Haha.
And then the Rangers will take Bickell off your hands and send you back Marc Staal. We'll throw in this lightly used Marek Hrivik if you insist.
K? Thx. Bai.
I don't expect him to be picked. But it allows the Rangers to protect a different dman.
the Blackhawks need to let guys like Sharp, Teravainen, Byfuglin, etc. go.
Crawford had a really good year, but I would have traded him and even Seabrook.
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to reach the cap floor. I simply don't think Girardi is going anywhere anytime soon unless he's packaged with an asset or two.
I don't expect him to be picked. But it allows the Rangers to protect a different dman.
Yes, but Girardi would still be on the books for the Rangers. We need to get rid of him now.
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Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford, etc.
the Blackhawks need to let guys like Sharp, Teravainen, Byfuglin, etc. go.
Crawford had a really good year, but I would have traded him and even Seabrook.
both those two are owed way too much money (Seabrook is already 31 and still owed almost 50M and Crawford 24M) at this point to be traded IMO. I expect either or both will be exposed in the expansion draft (I don't remember how goalies work).
pj, I should have been more clear - I meant prior to signing. I was wrong on Crawford's quality, though, so it's not a horrendous deal. I think Seabrook's is bad. They should have traded him for prospects.
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and Crosby, Malkin and MAF were 11, 12 and 13 years ago.
that's some fancy work by a GM keeping those guys together and MAF did little to nothing to help this cup.
Agree re Boston. Dont agree that it is fancy work keeping together Sid and Geno. How often have we seen players of that caliber actually walk in free agency, in their 20s?
Ok, fair point, I should have said it's some good GM work keeping those three and remaining competitive.
in fact they've added players like Kessel to the mix instead of just maintaining.
Chicago has stayed competitive too.
the Bruins paid Bergeron, Chara and Krejci after their cup and it cost them they had to trade guys like Boychuk, Lucic, and Hamilton among others. Some teams can't make it work.
the fact the Penguins and Blackhawks have kept their core together this long is impressive to me.
I'd argue that the Pens did a shitty job post Cup #1 staying competitive. Those rosters were the few big names and then barren. Terrible drafts too. Turned it around THIS year, and I'd have to study exactly how. But IMO the franchise going 6 years with just one conference finals appearance (no SCF) while having Sid and Geno (and Letang) isnt impressive, even conceding that each guy has had material injury issues.
Blackhawks have been a lot more impressive.
Chicago is definitely more impressive because of the cups obviously, but the Penguins, when compared with say the Bruins or the teams who won the cup immediately before the first Pens cup with Crosby the Ducks, Red Wings or Hurricanes, I find the Penguins impressive.
You don't. Cool, I agree to disagree.
Chicago is definitely more impressive because of the cups obviously, but the Penguins, when compared with say the Bruins or the teams who won the cup immediately before the first Pens cup with Crosby the Ducks, Red Wings or Hurricanes, I find the Penguins impressive.
You don't. Cool, I agree to disagree.
Right before the lockout and Crosby they missed the playoffs like 4 or 5 straight years. They were terrible.
Yeah. I guess Deej's point is when you have the best player in the league and another one not far behind, the "success" the Pens had in between cups is not impressive.
I just don't think hockey works like basketball where the best player is enough to make your team one of the best. Hockey is just too reliant on depth, system, hate to say it "puck luck" - which I'm not going to debate but hopefully people get what I mean, than just having the best players.
I included MAF in their core, but him being kept might have actually hurt more than helped the pens. I am not a fan of his, but either way, it's hard to keep players when you're successful in the NHL.
I mentioned this before, the Bruins had to trade Boychuk, Lucic, and Hamilton, and that's omitting Seguin who I also won't get into but I don't think they had to trade him for the same reasons.
That's the price you pay IMO for keeping Crosby and Malkin. On CHI both Kane and Toews make 10M plus each. How do you build a roster around that?
Crosby and Malkin are a little less than that, but it's not easy to spread that around.
the Kings IMO just show how a hot goalie can carry a team. Sure the Kings have talent with guys like Doughty and Kopitar, but Quick was really the story of those two cups.
the first one more so than the 2nd, but when their backs were to the wall, Quick responded like an elite goalie.
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pj, I should have been more clear - I meant prior to signing. I was wrong on Crawford's quality, though, so it's not a horrendous deal. I think Seabrook's is bad. They should have traded him for prospects.
Because they have to fill this roster with a bunch of players. While we have the cap space, the number of guaranteed roster players is very low. We need cap space for not only quality players but quantity ones as well. Hence, players like Nash, Girardi, Staal and Glass must go.
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without buying them out. I wouldn't trade Skjei or Buchnevich but a guy like McIlrath I'd include if it meant getting rid of Girardi.
I wouldn't - he has value as someone who can be exposed in the expansion draft. Further, the buyout is significantly more palatable next year. I think the team needs to look at the next 3-4 years, not just next year.
I read somewhere that teams were inquiring about Staal.
Do you remember where you saw that teams were inquiring about Staal?
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Uncle Larry posted a while back about the Wild being interested in bringing in the hometown kid. I want Dumba and Coyle for Stepan.
Short of a really incredible haul, there's no way they should be retaining a penny of salary. The whole thing sounds like wild (no pun intended) speculation, but he better be incorrect about that point.
I would be hard to see Steps go, but I can appreciate that you don't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. It's all about what's coming back.
I think that's clearly in the Rangers favor, but I wouldn't trade Stepan for much less.
Maybe the Rangers add one of the handful of nice young goalies they have in the system.
If that's the case, I'd make it deHaan or Hickey
If that's the case, I'd make it deHaan or Hickey
Not being able (NMCs) or not being willing to do what it takes (buyouts) are a hell of a lot different than not wanting to get rid of them.
It's almost undeniable that if they could go back in time and not do those deals, they'd take that offer in a heartbeat.
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without buying them out. I wouldn't trade Skjei or Buchnevich but a guy like McIlrath I'd include if it meant getting rid of Girardi.
I wouldn't - he has value as someone who can be exposed in the expansion draft. Further, the buyout is significantly more palatable next year. I think the team needs to look at the next 3-4 years, not just next year.
I read somewhere that teams were inquiring about Staal.
Do you remember where you saw that teams were inquiring about Staal?
Colorado and Dallas have shown preliminary interest in Marc Staal, banking on the fact that the NYR will retain anywhere from 20-30% of cap
I wouldn't say Staal trade is anywhere near likely right now. Will heat up closer to draft. Staal also has a NTC/NMC that would be a factor
I've seen this guy get a couple things right in the past, but don't consider him a high-quality source. So, I take it with a grain of salt. I thought I read it on Sportsnet or something more credible initially, but I couldn't find the article so I'm probably wrong about that.
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but without him and Yandle this year, I do doubt we'll make the playoffs. If that's the route we choose to go and it might be the right call... I'd prefer a more drastic overhaul.
A slow bleed isn't a good strategy.
Based on what I've read, I think Skjei and Buchnevich are in fact going to have to be protected -- sounds like AHL and KHL years are counted in the "professional experience".
So right out of the gate you're protecting McDonagh and Skjei. Being able to use the third spot on Yandle or his replacement or even McIlrath instead of Staal is really important.
Even if they can find a palatable deal for Staal, they need to do what the can to get him to waive the NMC before the expansion draft. If push came to shove, I'd even consider telling him we'd bring Eric Staal back on a one year deal if he agrees to permanently waive his NMC. (Obviously lots of variables there, but just an example of stupid shit id be willing to do not to have to use the protection slot.
also PK Subban is "not being moved" per Bergevin. I don't want him traded, but his NMC kicks in July 1 and then he's much harder to move, so if he is going to be traded it would be in the next two weeks.
Obviously Bickell won't be bought out by CHI now that he's been traded, but maybe CAR. No one interests me on here. Maybe Dustin Brown for cheap depth but I think he thinks he's worth more than he is.
Jared Clinton of The Hockey News: Looking at 10 players who could be bought out by their teams. The NHL buyout period opens up today.
Eric Nystrom Nashville Predators
Bryan Bickell Chicago Blackhawks
Dave Bolland Florida Panthers
Chris Higgins Vancouver Canucks
R.J. Umberger Philadelphia Flyers
Thomas Vanek Minnesota Wild
Kari Lehtonen Dallas Stars
Jared Cowen Toronto Maple Leafs
Fedor Tyutin Columbus Blue Jackets
Dustin Brown Los Angeles Kings
also PK Subban is "not being moved" per Bergevin. I don't want him traded, but his NMC kicks in July 1 and then he's much harder to move, so if he is going to be traded it would be in the next two weeks.
Obviously Bickell won't be bought out by CHI now that he's been traded, but maybe CAR. No one interests me on here. Maybe Dustin Brown for cheap depth but I think he thinks he's worth more than he is.
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Jared Clinton of The Hockey News: Looking at 10 players who could be bought out by their teams. The NHL buyout period opens up today.
Eric Nystrom Nashville Predators
Bryan Bickell Chicago Blackhawks
Dave Bolland Florida Panthers
Chris Higgins Vancouver Canucks
R.J. Umberger Philadelphia Flyers
Thomas Vanek Minnesota Wild
Kari Lehtonen Dallas Stars
Jared Cowen Toronto Maple Leafs
Fedor Tyutin Columbus Blue Jackets
Dustin Brown Los Angeles Kings
Probably so, but I think that's a fair deal for Ward. I don't think the Hurricanes are legit contenders, and I'd guess most starting goalies make more than $3M. Ward made 6M last year.
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Dude let me ask you something since this is hilariously obsessed over everyday....
If the Rangers called Dan Girardi and his agent into their offices and said
"Dan you were a representative player here but quite frankly we agree with Anakim and Brett among others that you sir, suck a fucking ball sack at hockey and you do have this NMC however we'd heavily prefer you consider letting us know some teams you may want to go to. We are looking to make changes due to factors a, b, c, d, and we'd like to find common ground for you to go to a contender in a city you'd play in and part ways at this point. Your role on the team is no longer tenable and we don't want to scratch you every night or consider buying you out etc... So lets figure out where you'd play"
Do you truly think this guy would say no i refuse to move and wish to continue to sit on this roster that my team wants me off of aSap? I mean has it ever happened that way? I'm genuinely curious if there is a player who flat out refused to move and instead sat in the press box or played 1 minute per game.
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His agent deserves a firm handshake and Sather deserves a slap in the back of the head.
Dude let me ask you something since this is hilariously obsessed over everyday....
If the Rangers called Dan Girardi and his agent into their offices and said
"Dan you were a representative player here but quite frankly we agree with Anakim and Brett among others that you sir, suck a fucking ball sack at hockey and you do have this NMC however we'd heavily prefer you consider letting us know some teams you may want to go to. We are looking to make changes due to factors a, b, c, d, and we'd like to find common ground for you to go to a contender in a city you'd play in and part ways at this point. Your role on the team is no longer tenable and we don't want to scratch you every night or consider buying you out etc... So lets figure out where you'd play"
Do you truly think this guy would say no i refuse to move and wish to continue to sit on this roster that my team wants me off of aSap? I mean has it ever happened that way? I'm genuinely curious if there is a player who flat out refused to move and instead sat in the press box or played 1 minute per game.
I actually agree with you here Seth. I've always thought that, for these guys, the desire to play supersedes the obsession with staying with one team. If a team tells a player that they're going to be benched or marginalized if they don't accept a trade, the player is most likely going to accept the trade, unless it's a trade to a dumpster fire of a team. It doesn't excuse the stupidity of management for handing out NMCs like candy, but it's not a guarantee that a player won't be moved. I think people need to be more upset that the Rangers can't see that Girardi/Staal/Glass are black holes that need to be moved ASAP. Where there's a will, there's a way.
But would Girardi waive his NMC to go to Arizona? Methinks not. Why would he? Is Arizona appealing? Maybe, but are the Coyotes any good? In the future, maybe but next year? Probably not.
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Some NTC/NMC updates... first off:
Dan Girardi (#NYR) NMC includes all years of his deal
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They had to let at least one D walk because of $. Near zero chance they'd look at Staal. Sounds like they've got NHL ready youngsters to slide up.
But would Girardi waive his NMC to go to Arizona? Methinks not. Why would he? Is Arizona appealing? Maybe, but are the Coyotes any good? In the future, maybe but next year? Probably not.
The Coyotes are still paying Chris Pronger NEXT YEAR not to play so they could reach the salary floor. I get the feeling they're not so concerned with quality.
he hasn't been on the ice in 4 years.
I do wonder if they'll have a retirement ceremony for him after next year. as a joke or if they don't consider it funny.
This will be his second year on the Coyotes just to reach the salary floor. Don't bother getting actual players, spend $5M on Pronger.
I am sure there is shit I don't understand about that.
The 10-year veteran was dealt Thursday in exchange for a 2016 fifth-round draft pick. Goligoski has played in 562 NHL games and won the Stanley Cup as a member of the Pittsburgh Penguins in 2009.
Acquired him via trade.
Are we going to have to spend this whole thread explaining things to Islanders fans?
You people are the worst. per se
Don't you have a pack of smokes to go through at a Phish concert or something, nature boy?
classic
They're both top names on the UFA list and will get paid well. Absolutely no reason to sign a contract at this point with anyone without listening to the market.
Apparently Snow just used the phrase "we wish him nothing but be best" in an interview this morning.
Apparently Snow just used the phrase "we wish him nothing but be best" in an interview this morning.
MTL a rumored destination.
Apparently Snow just used the phrase "we wish him nothing but be best" in an interview this morning.
It was going to be tough to resign him anyway but that Voracek deal last season sealed it imo. Kyle will be missed and the Neil Smith era has come to an end.
So I picked up a pair of tix this year and didn't read the fine print... and by fine print I mean the bold, obvious print on the email. It's in East Meadow at the Northwell Health Ice Center. I can't make it out to Long Island for that.
Anyone want the tickets? No charge. Two available.
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One of my favorite players to watch. So creative, excellent two-way player, one of the best I've seen, would have been a hall-of-famer if he came to the NHL earlier. Datsyuk is like a slightly better Bergeron - only slightly better fro an offensive skill standpoint - not even necessarily points, just skill - hard to describe.
Not shedding a tear for Detroit.
I guess what my point is, is that it doesn't limit anything if they want to get rid of him. What it does indicate is that the Rangers as an organization have many people in charge that don't know how bad he is even through they watch him play 20 minutes and practice everyday. It's a wonder they can put a pro team out there if they don't know that they have such a detrimental player. However I'm saying you won't shut up about this NMC and I'm saying its not relevant if the team wants him gone at all costs. So why even talk about it as though it's the major issue.
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What's your point? Either way, it severely limits our options. Plus, a contender wouldn't necessarily be an interested party. Why? Because Girardi sucks and they allocate their cap space in more efficient ways than shitty teams do. A shitty team, however, that needs to reach the cap floor might be interested in Girardi's contract. However, not that we know he has a full NMC for the duration of his contract, I think it's safe to say that he won't waive it to go to a shitty team and/or a shitty city.
I guess what my point is, is that it doesn't limit anything if they want to get rid of him. What it does indicate is that the Rangers as an organization have many people in charge that don't know how bad he is even through they watch him play 20 minutes and practice everyday. It's a wonder they can put a pro team out there if they don't know that they have such a detrimental player. However I'm saying you won't shut up about this NMC and I'm saying its not relevant if the team wants him gone at all costs. So why even talk about it as though it's the major issue.
Because it is for exactly the reason(s) I stated. A shitty team might be interested in getting Girardi only to reach the cap floor. However, would Girardi accept a trade to a shitty team? Probably not.
- Sources indicated that Snow would be willing to move that first-round pick as part of a package for an established NHL forward if the Isles GM can find a deal to his liking.
- With an expectation of the cap being flat, some specualtion that some surprising names in the NHL may be moved.
- Sources indicated that Snow and Marc Levine, Frans Nielsens agent, have been in contact on a long-term deal in recent days.
- Snow said on Friday he doesnt see a trade to move up the draft board, but perhaps down to collect an extra pick.
Names being heard for possible picks at 19 if the Isles retain their pick: Long Beachs Charlie McAvoy (D), who currently attends Boston University. Among forwards, winger Kieffer Bellows, son of former NHLer Brian, would be a catch; so would Alex DeBrincat, the 5-foot-7 Michigan native who has back-to-back 51-goal seasons for Erie of the Ontario League, where DeBrincat played with Connor McDavid and Dylan Strome.
Personally, if available at the Isles' pick, I'd be happy with Julien Gauthier. 6'4", 225lb RW with Val D'Or in the Q. Explosive, nasty, skilled and coachable.
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Also separately tweeted that there will be at least one trade today. At this point on the calendar you could blindly say something like that and hit with 70%+ accuracy, but I'm thirsting for news so I'll consciously decide to put some stock in it.
My prediction is Derek Stepan gets traded before or during the Draft
I agree. And I do think the Rangers will make a run at Stamkos at Sather's urging.
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Yep, Brett posted it above!
I love the summer but man do I miss hockey already.
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Shattenkirk wants to play for the Rangers, but no cap room
I'd much rather deal Nash and Staal.... than Stepan and other younger players... but there seems to be a lot of smoke here... Stepan sounds like a goner.
@FriedgeHNIC
Hearing FLA working on a trade to acquire rights to Keith Yandle from NYR
@GeorgeRichards
.@FlaPanthers getting the negotiating rights to UFA defenseman Keith Yandle for a draft pick as well as a conditional if he signs.
My ideal offseason is Nash and Staal are traded for a couple of picks or prospects and we acquire Shattenkirk for McIlraith and a prospect. Pipedream on my part, but that's my hope.
Not I. I think Yandle is better offensively and defensively.
Nash and Staal are hopefully moveable but it wont be easy. Rumor has it other teams want NYR to eat 30% of Staal's contract.
And Yandle is going to get paid a fortune on the wrong side of 30. This officially marks the end of what was one of the worst trades in Rangers franchise history - made because Sather didn't care about the long-term of this organization.
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better than Yandle?
Not I. I think Yandle is better offensively and defensively.
I think they're eerily similar. But all things being equal I'd take Shattenkirk. Both get pushed around in front of the net, and are more offensive minded than defensive, but I'd make Shattenkirk a top 2 defenseman, worst case top 4 and I wouldn't feel like i had to pair him with a stay at home defenseman. He has better instincts IMO.
I like Yandle better on the PP, but Shattenkirk is good there too.
they're a lot alike IMO, so the cheaper of the two is maybe the better.
Fair point, forgot about this protection slot stuff.
Nash and Staal are hopefully moveable but it wont be easy. Rumor has it other teams want NYR to eat 30% of Staal's contract.
And Yandle is going to get paid a fortune on the wrong side of 30. This officially marks the end of what was one of the worst trades in Rangers franchise history - made because Sather didn't care about the long-term of this organization.
Holy fuckin dumb.
You are literally the only person in North America that thinks Girardi is a good player. It's cute.
There's no reason to have Glass or Martin on the roster, ever.
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they really ought to be waiting until next offseason when they don't need to give anything up and don't have to use a protection slot on him.
Fair point, forgot about this protection slot stuff.
Shattenkirk is a FA after this coming season. so he's not going to get much in return and is very possibly unlikely to be selected because he'd need a new contract, not sure how that works if he's selected in the expansion draft but doesn't come to agreement on a contract.
One if you guys probably knows.
I don't even know if the expansion club would be allowed to pick him, but basically they would be doing so only for cap space. He'd still be a UFA with no strings on 7/1. In theory they'd have 10 days negotiating advantage.
But history will not be kind to that trade unfortunately. I get the idea of going for it. But...ugh
I don't even know if the expansion club would be allowed to pick him, but basically they would be doing so only for cap space. He'd still be a UFA with no strings on 7/1. In theory they'd have 10 days negotiating advantage.
at the deadline he'll be a short-term rental, how would he be more valuable then? they are unlikely to extend him, and he'll be a FA after the season. I like him, but I'm not giving up a ton for him.
Now if its Nash + Girardi for Fowler... I'm all in !
Fowler, Theodore, Silfverberg + cond 5th for Nash, 25% retained, Skapski, a cond 3rd, + 2 AHLers
2 AHLers could mean a promising player.
Shea Theodore would be a great add for a rebuild/retool. This looks too good in favor of the Rangers to be true.
If posting these rumors adds to frustration, kindly let me know. I am just sharing what I read on another site.
a) I will vomit if I ever have to root for anything other than Scott Hartnell getting the shit beat out of him
b) Rangers need to be adding to their forecheck, not using their best forechecker as an add-in.
This deal would be somewhat palatable in the context of a complete tear-down job. Doesn't fit in with a "re-tool" as it makes the NHL roster significantly worse without any substantial immediate cap relief.
I think the Rangers will dump a ton of salary, obtain some young talent, some draft picks and then sign Stamkos. In typical Rangers fashion, once we start enjoying the kids and see the holes the trade deadline will result in trading the kids away for costly veterans and the cycle continues.
There's no defending the Girardi and Staal contracts. Point conceded.
The Nash contract isn't half the albatross many fans would have you believe it is. He still brings a lot to the table and he'll be moved.
They have a handful of extremely high value contracts in McDonagh, Zuccarello, Brassard, and Klein. On the open market, that's probably somewhere between $20-25m worth of value that's costing the Rangers, what, somewhere between $15-17m of cap? (Didn't do the exact math, just spitballing there).
There are some really promising young players under control (Miller, Kreider, Hayes, Fast, Skjei, Buch).
Trading Stepan is hardly "selling the kids for the shiny". It would be liquidating a player who gets paid his full market value, avoiding another NMC, and replenishing some assets while likely also freeing up some money to term out some of the young RFAs.
The FO isn't without their share of significant mistakes, but by any large the organization has provided it's fans with a pretty darn good product for going on ten years. Yes, the cup is still missing.
I'm a little surprised by how overwhelmingly negative some of the outlooks are, even if everything isn't all sunshine and rainbows.
Great post, Hoya. I've been a vocal critic of some of the moves in recent years, but we should probably wait until the weekend/free agency to be critical (or optimistic).
I like Nash. He is 32 and slowing down, but still productive. Not at that contract, though.
I'd also add that Nash had a decent, not great, 2015 post-season and was good in 2016 (small sample size, obviously). He was awful in 2013 and 2014, though.
There's no defending the Girardi and Staal contracts. Point conceded.
The Nash contract isn't half the albatross many fans would have you believe it is. He still brings a lot to the table and he'll be moved.
They have a handful of extremely high value contracts in McDonagh, Zuccarello, Brassard, and Klein. On the open market, that's probably somewhere between $20-25m worth of value that's costing the Rangers, what, somewhere between $15-17m of cap? (Didn't do the exact math, just spitballing there).
There are some really promising young players under control (Miller, Kreider, Hayes, Fast, Skjei, Buch).
Trading Stepan is hardly "selling the kids for the shiny". It would be liquidating a player who gets paid his full market value, avoiding another NMC, and replenishing some assets while likely also freeing up some money to term out some of the young RFAs.
The FO isn't without their share of significant mistakes, but by any large the organization has provided it's fans with a pretty darn good product for going on ten years. Yes, the cup is still missing.
I'm a little surprised by how overwhelmingly negative some of the outlooks are, even if everything isn't all sunshine and rainbows.
do you think that the Rangers will have to eat significant money to move Nash for value?
He's due $8M & $8.2M the next two years.
I'm not saying they can't move him, I just think that for an OK return there will have to be salary retention.
Their biggest obstacles after they move some contracts will be:
1) lack of draft picks
2) when they DO have picks, they are later (due to success)
I think most of the guys that the Rangers want to move are moveable IF they waive the NTC and the Rangers retain salary. The flat cap leaves little wiggle room for other teams to maneuver.
Depends what the FO is keen on doing. If they want to go balls out on Stammer (note: I'm not necessarily advocating this) you accept the lower return from somebody who will take the whole contract. If they're focused on the pipeline, eat $2-3M of it and max out the value coming back.
At the end of the day, I think 2 years is actually a great remaining term for a trade. It's not a rental and it has huge upside, but it also isn't going to hurt anyone long term.
I think eating something like $2m could be a happy medium where you get some nice value while also freeing up $5m.
It's heavily dependent on the trading partner though. Maybe you don't need to retain, but you effectively do so in taking back a contract that the other trading partner doesn't love.
they tried for Fleury, but apparently the Pens are asking a kings ransom.
Any word on what CGY would be sending back?
Depends what the FO is keen on doing. If they want to go balls out on Stammer (note: I'm not necessarily advocating this) you accept the lower return from somebody who will take the whole contract. If they're focused on the pipeline, eat $2-3M of it and max out the value coming back.
At the end of the day, I think 2 years is actually a great remaining term for a trade. It's not a rental and it has huge upside, but it also isn't going to hurt anyone long term.
I think eating something like $2m could be a happy medium where you get some nice value while also freeing up $5m.
It's heavily dependent on the trading partner though. Maybe you don't need to retain, but you effectively do so in taking back a contract that the other trading partner doesn't love.
I agree with everything here, basically.
It's a tough decision for a team, with the cap not going up. He scored 15 goals this year. The year before? 42.
I actually think his greatest trade value will be when the available players are taken (Lucic, Stamkos and company) and a team still needs a scorer. Then it's worth the gamble.
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Any word on what CGY would be sending back?
I read they were "working" on a deal.
That being said, the Pens asked Calgary for the 6th pick in return for Fleury..a 31 year old goalie with concussion problems.
brilliant.
No
He seems borderline for me, but the falloff in the last few years makes me think he doesn't get in.
P.S. Rumor originated from BBI Islanders fans so fuck off.
He seems borderline for me, but the falloff in the last few years makes me think he doesn't get in.
No, sorry I think he's probably borderline, but doesn't have the stats or honestly the game to get in. his peak was far too short. He had two great seasons and fell of a cliff at the end.
Hall of very good, not hall of fame.
Good thing we traded away all ours. I really like Shattenkirk, but I don't see a way Rangers could get him. I'm really hoping a guy like Vatanen from Ana is avail. and/or Dumba. We need to rebuild the D badly. I want to remain optimistic but it gets harder and harder the more I look at some of the contracts we have and picks we don't.
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Good thing we traded away all ours. I really like Shattenkirk, but I don't see a way Rangers could get him. I'm really hoping a guy like Vatanen from Ana is avail. and/or Dumba. We need to rebuild the D badly. I want to remain optimistic but it gets harder and harder the more I look at some of the contracts we have and picks we don't.
Vatanen re-signed with the Ducks to a long-term deal. He's not going anywhere. Hopefully the Dumba/Stepan rumor is true. Getting rid of Girardi + Dumba + a first rounder = absolute gold.
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Friday night, you mean ;)
And you know the rule. If you know something, you need to spill your guts! Don't be like that douchebag who just posted a picture of an eraser.
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Is that a 'you're a dumbass for asking' no or a 'close but still no' no?
He seems borderline for me, but the falloff in the last few years makes me think he doesn't get in.
No, sorry I think he's probably borderline, but doesn't have the stats or honestly the game to get in. his peak was far too short. He had two great seasons and fell of a cliff at the end.
Hall of very good, not hall of fame.
Yeah, that's where I came out - I was surprised to see him 94th in all time points, didn't think he was that high. If he had a few more good seasons, or won a Hart, maybe.
I think it's nuts Lindros isn't in (I think we've discussed this before).
I guess this is old news, but I hadn't realized they were giving teams bye weeks (though they're not full weeks) starting this year. Rangers off from Jan 8 - jan 12. I can understand the players wanting that, but as a fan I think I'll find it pretty annoying. (Unless it coincides with some significant injuries).
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Is that a 'you're a dumbass for asking' no or a 'close but still no' no?
He seems borderline for me, but the falloff in the last few years makes me think he doesn't get in.
No, sorry I think he's probably borderline, but doesn't have the stats or honestly the game to get in. his peak was far too short. He had two great seasons and fell of a cliff at the end.
Hall of very good, not hall of fame.
Yeah, that's where I came out - I was surprised to see him 94th in all time points, didn't think he was that high. If he had a few more good seasons, or won a Hart, maybe.
I think it's nuts Lindros isn't in (I think we've discussed this before).
I didn't even realize Lindros wasn't it. He would have made it, but injuries and Scott Stevens I guess ended that possibility.
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I guess this is old news, but I hadn't realized they were giving teams bye weeks (though they're not full weeks) starting this year. Rangers off from Jan 8 - jan 12. I can understand the players wanting that, but as a fan I think I'll find it pretty annoying. (Unless it coincides with some significant injuries).
Yeah, and the Rangers are also off for 6 days at the end of January for the All-Star Break, so they do not play much in January. I don't mind the idea of a bye week, but I don't get why the league would make it two weeks before the All-Star Break. As much as I like seeing NHL players in the Olympics, that two-week break during the Games is brutal.
Oy vey.
To support arc, from Steve Zipay: Hearing Blackhawks seriously kicking tires on Evgeni Malkin. Will be interesting to see how they create cap space...
To support arc, from Steve Zipay: Hearing Blackhawks seriously kicking tires on Evgeni Malkin. Will be interesting to see how they create cap space...
trade Crawford? He'd have to be attractive to a team like Dallas or one of those teams who feel like they're a goalie away from legit contender.
he'd only get then part way there though.
@NHLbyMatty
Shattenkirk, UFA in 2017, would sign with NYR or Bruins. Edm? How about Rick Nash/Shattenkirk trade idea?
Is he really that good?
Is he really that good?
I think he is.
Is he really that good?
He's the 9th youngest player in the history of the league to reach 300 goals. Before his blood clots issue he was EASILY worth $14 million per year.
But blood clots are some scary shit. Detroit is smart to offer that many years... but Stamkos is an idiot if he only takes $10mm. He should consider a 3-4 year deal at $12-13 million per which would still leave him in line for another huge second free agent deal at age 29-30, probably with Toronto if TOR feels like its too early in its rebuild process to add SS now.
Also 7 sunday night home games in October-December during football season. As a season ticket holder those are extremely difficult sells and there's very little energy in the building aside from some of the completely hammered Giants/Jets fans that have made their way over from the Meadowlands earlier in the day. Thanks Dolan.
Also 7 sunday night home games in October-December during football season. As a season ticket holder those are extremely difficult sells and there's very little energy in the building aside from some of the completely hammered Giants/Jets fans that have made their way over from the Meadowlands earlier in the day. Thanks Dolan.
The refs, Toronto, now the schedule-makers!
When will this senseless persecution of the Rangers end!
and I mean that lovingly. Sunday night is on Dolan, not the league. Ton of un-sellable games early in the year.
Hasn't heard any concrete rumors, but upon a suggestion KO may end up in MTL, that "would be a decent spot for him"
Regarding Martin: "He's going to free agency. No chance he re-signs".
As for Stamkos, the more I think about it, DET makes a ton of sense. They have the $; Datsyuk is gone; Zetterberg isn't getting younger, and Stamkos and Larkin could be a great combo. Proximity to Ontario doesn't hurt, either.
The National Hockey League Players' Association and the National Hockey League today announced that the Team Payroll Range established for the 2016-17 League Year, pursuant to the Collective Bargaining Agreement, provides for a Lower Limit of $54 million, an Adjusted Midpoint of $63.5 million and an Upper Limit of $73 million.
Honest question. I feel like it would matter to me. But then, no one has ever offered me a lot of money to live there.
Honest question. I feel like it would matter to me. But then, no one has ever offered me a lot of money to live there.
Senators prospect arrested, tased after allegedly fighting a cop at Disney World:
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That kid and that alligator a couple weeks ago.
with the expansion and the relatively flat cap, a bunch of names could be moved.
Bruins already offered a 1st for Shattenkirk. which IMO means they will lose Louie Ericsson, who I'd prefer on the Habs over Okposo, but the Habs don't have a ton of cap room.
Other d-men in Goligoski's age bracket with a $5.5M cap hit: Girardi, Sekera, Petry, Wisniewski, Orpik, Carle.
I'd say the Coyotes did ok.
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Other d-men in Goligoski's age bracket with a $5.5M cap hit: Girardi, Sekera, Petry, Wisniewski, Orpik, Carle.
I'd say the Coyotes did ok.
Or you could go the other way and say paying a 30 year old non-star dman 5.5 million hasnt been such a hot move.
at the time it was deemed a below market deal.
yes it was a 6 year deal, but very different signing a 27 year old to a 6-year deal than a 30 year old to a 5 year deal for similar numbers.
Goligoski is better than Petry, but point is about age really and the inclusion of him on the list.
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Hearing that volume of calls has increased significantly for the Habs from other teams re: P.K. Subban in last 48 hours. What that means?
Subban would be a good fit anywhere, hate to see him go, but as I've said with a 7/1 full NMC if they're going to trade him it will be in the next 8 days.
And Larry just said we werent interested in paying Shattenkirk. So is it as a rental, or is one of them wrong? God I hope it isnt as a rental.
I don't disagree, but from that starting point the Rangers are worse than last year.
I like Shatty a little bit better than Yandle, but Yandle is a good offensive D-man, so for arguments sake say that trade off (shatty for yandle) is a wash, you're then down Nash, a top 6 forward and a good one at that.
what do you do to make the team better? Still not in Stamkos striking distance IMO, do you blow it up and trade Hank? Deal shatty at the deadline and go full-on rebuild?
Brooks sort of mentioned what you did in your last post - the path to a better Rangers team is tough, especially if you trade Nash and Stepan. But if you're able to fix the defense, which was awful last year, it might be worth it and improve the team. Gorton's got a tough task the next couple of weeks.
I also don't think Stamkos is in the plans nor would happen.
This retool or reset is probably going to take some time so Gorton may have to take some contracts back that will be cap heavy for a year or two to get some picks or prospects (example would be Hartnell with the #3 pick if that was to happen).
The challenge here is once Gorton pulls the trigger on one trade, he needs to have the other occur shortly after. Otherwise the Rangers in October may look unbalanced.
Brooks sort of mentioned what you did in your last post - the path to a better Rangers team is tough, especially if you trade Nash and Stepan. But if you're able to fix the defense, which was awful last year, it might be worth it and improve the team. Gorton's got a tough task the next couple of weeks.
If I were the Rangers I hate to say it because the fans it seems like want more, but I'd only make minor changes.
Hank is still the teams strength, shore up the D with Penguins type D-men, Daley, Cole, Lovejoy - that kind of defenseman - none of them are great or every very good no stand out skill, but they all have similar molds, solid in their own zone defensemen who can break the puck out.
none should cost a lot - 2 - 3M tops.
and then I hate to say it because AV is soooo set in his ways, but play to your teams strengths, use your speed, grit, and cycle ability to your strength and use a system similar to what the Pens used under Sullivan - crash your forwards down low to get in the shooting lanes to help in the breakout and send the far wing out of the zone.
It was like watching a clinic.
the Rangers don't need some massive makeover, I'd keep Nash, Stepan, Kreider, Hayes, Zuccarello, etc. maybe move a defenseman who doesn't meet that prototype and fill in the gaps.
until Hank shows signs he's done dealing Nash or Stepan without a suitable replacement coming back is questionable IMO.
Rangers actually had a pretty strong stretch of play up front without Nash last season. Continued development of the young forwards could help ease the loss of Nash.
The defense has to be overhauled. I'm ok with moving a few big pieces up front, maybe Nash and Stepan, to do so because I think it can have a net positive impact throughout the lineup and a few young guys come along as hoped (Buch, Kreider, JT, Hayes).
the D is the only thing I'd change. and if it has to be done at the cost of a forward it wouldn't be Nash or Stepan If it were up to me.
The Rangers should be in win-now mode. I view Hank to the Rangers like Price to the Canadiens, maybe slightly less important b/c if the Rangers lose Hank for a long time i don't expect the total implosion like we saw from the habs last year but close.
He's 35 before next year's playoffs. Now I also don't think you want to get caught with an ancient team once Hank hangs them up, so that's why trades like Yandle hurt a little more, but I think you manage that through the draft and minor trades.
Hagelin was maybe the most important player they had for that style. Could use a guy like that...
I don't think the Rangers were a good team last year (disastrous possession #'s, played at a sub-playoff rate the last 75% of the season once Lundqvist returned to earth, etc.) and I allocate the majority of that blame to the defense. But I also don't think they're that far away.
I still think they're in win now mode, but they've got to be creative to maintain that.
Malkin missed the final 6 weeks of the season, when the Pens went on a tear under Sullivan. And Kessel is not a "break out" guy so much as a wing, he's the far side guy who gets the pass.
Crosby obviously is the best player in the game, but guys like Hagelin, Rust, Bonino, and even their 4th line made that system work.
I'd love to see them get something like that done.
Adds a young RD and saves about $7m.
Any chance Buffalo goes for that??
Lucic to become a free agent, not re-signing with LA.
I feel like he'd never become a Canadien, too much bad blood, but man he'd fit in nicely.
rules for expansion draft (nothing new here I don't think) or I would have pasted it.
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If true, Gorton's job just got a lot harder.
Just wish the guy would agree to fucking go already. If he signed off on a trade and we ate half his salary, we could find a taker.
We'll likely just be reminded that all they need to do is ask nicely and the player will surely waive their NMC.
I feel a little more justified about my stance in this discussion from a few weeks ago. Karlsson probably still should have won it though.
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wins the Norris. Karlsson was robbed. one of the worst robberies in recent years.
I feel a little more justified about my stance in this discussion from a few weeks ago. Karlsson probably still should have won it though.
the voting was close, but not THAT close, so apparently the voters look at different things than me, LOL, so my assessment of players is I guess against the grain in some regards and I'm not as smart as I think I am.
imagine that.
I know Canada loves it some gritz from Ontario, and as the denfenceman du jour (Pernell Karl had worn the mantle for a while), that didn't hurt his cause, IMO. Sens had 236 goals; he factored in on a third of them.
Also didn't think Jagr should have received the Masterton. Thought Zucc or Dupuis should have received it. Jagr is just old.
Sarcasm? a 4th round NHL pick is almost like a lottery ticket. historically (at least from 2000 - 20009) 20% odds if even playing in the NHL.
Really after the 3rd round the odds don't seem to change markedly:
Rangers have had some decent 4th round luck too
no TJS needed for Malkin.
I loved Yandle, but why trade for a guy you were going to play on the third pairing and not even on the first PP immediately?
Duclair is going to burn for a long time.
Trading away premium picks and a legit prospect for a guy we buried on the 3rd pairing most of the time and didn't deploy properly basically sums up everything that has been wrong with the Rangers in recent years. Just stupid and short-sighted.
Also, Doughty vs. Karlsson:
But if there's one team I'm glad we lost Yandle to, its to my back-up team. Selling my season tickets just got slightly easier.
I dunno... I don't get any sense this week that our mgmt team has a plan. Its way too quiet on the Girardi and Staal front. Hope I'm wrong.
In trying to remain positive, if the team takes a step back with this current roster, maybe the returns for some of the rumored players at the 2017 deadline would be worth waiting.
I love Doughty but he was not the best defensman last year. Not sure he was even top 2. Josi, Hedman, Letang all have legit arguments to be nominated over Doughty imo. Hedman may be the least appreciated player in the game imo, he's a stud at both ends of the ice.
good.. I think he was the only certainty. Glad to have him back.
Don't be upset that only like 5 people on this board give a shit about the Islanders
Buddy of mine said he read some rumors.
Buddy of mine said he read some rumors.
He read Larry Brooks throwing shit at the wall
The reality check these kids are in for this year is going to be AMAZING.
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how many days in a row can you talk about Girard, Staal and Yandle.
Don't be upset that only like 5 people on this board give a shit about the Islanders
Seriously? That's quite juvenile. You're that kid I'm 2nd grade.."don't be jealous that I have a pool and you don't "
I'm assuming you're in your 20s by now. You need some adult "digs".
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how many days in a row can you talk about Girard, Staal and Yandle.
Don't be upset that only like 5 people on this board give a shit about the Islanders
Seriously? That's quite juvenile. You're that kid I'm 2nd grade.."don't be jealous that I have a pool and you don't "
I'm assuming you're in your 20s by now. You need some adult "digs".
***in
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how many days in a row can you talk about Girard, Staal and Yandle.
The reality check these kids are in for this year is going to be AMAZING.
Please, go on...
Hey maybe we can send Nash for the #2 pick and get Laine. - Anak
Hey maybe throw in Staal and Girard too - Every other dip shit Ranger fan.
Interesting. I didn't get that. He seemed much more physical to me, watching him. His skating and vision are no doubt Forsberg-esque.
Hes more what I saw in Ovie coming up. Had the sick shot and physicality. I think Ovies shot was better coming into the draft, but I love Laines vision.
I think Hes a surefire top notch NHLer
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and I like Auston Matthews a lot, but man I'd love to have the #2 pick in this draft. Laine reminds me a lot of Peter Forsberg.
Hey maybe we can send Nash for the #2 pick and get Laine. - Anak
Hey maybe throw in Staal and Girard too - Every other dip shit Ranger fan.
We are just clearing up cap space to sign Tavares in 2018.
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how many days in a row can you talk about Girard, Staal and Yandle.
The reality check these kids are in for this year is going to be AMAZING.
Please, go on...
What's the fun in that? ;D
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and I like Auston Matthews a lot, but man I'd love to have the #2 pick in this draft. Laine reminds me a lot of Peter Forsberg.
Interesting. I didn't get that. He seemed much more physical to me, watching him. His skating and vision are no doubt Forsberg-esque.
Hes more what I saw in Ovie coming up. Had the sick shot and physicality. I think Ovies shot was better coming into the draft, but I love Laines vision.
I think Hes a surefire top notch NHLer
Forsberg was one of the most physical players of his era.
Ovie would be a good comp too, but he's only recently been a two-way player. Pre-Trotz Ovie only played in his defensive zone when he felt like it. Plus I'm not sure Laine has that blistering one-timer. Not many do. but I've only seen what limited live action of Laine I could - (world championship and INTL play)
Islanders fans, on the other hand...
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and I like Auston Matthews a lot, but man I'd love to have the #2 pick in this draft. Laine reminds me a lot of Peter Forsberg.
Interesting. I didn't get that. He seemed much more physical to me, watching him. His skating and vision are no doubt Forsberg-esque.
Hes more what I saw in Ovie coming up. Had the sick shot and physicality. I think Ovies shot was better coming into the draft, but I love Laines vision.
I think Hes a surefire top notch NHLer
Forsberg was one of the most physical players of his era.
Ovie would be a good comp too, but he's only recently been a two-way player. Pre-Trotz Ovie only played in his defensive zone when he felt like it. Plus I'm not sure Laine has that blistering one-timer. Not many do. but I've only seen what limited live action of Laine I could - (world championship and INTL play)
You're right. I was thinking later after all of the injuries.
Nobody in the World has a better one timer than Ovie.
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how many days in a row can you talk about Girard, Staal and Yandle.
Don't be upset that only like 5 people on this board give a shit about the Islanders
Seriously? That's quite juvenile. You're that kid I'm 2nd grade.."don't be jealous that I have a pool and you don't "
I'm assuming you're in your 20s by now. You need some adult "digs".
Oh please. Fish is whining about Rangers talk. NEWSFLASH: the Rangers are the #1 hockey team in New York. Always have been; always will be. We're lucky that there's hockey talk at all given that they're the #4 sport in the country, in New York City and on BBI. Whining that there's not enough Islanders talk is silly given how small the fanbase is in general, but particularly on BBI.
Buddy of mine said he read some rumors.
It was Uncle Larry proposing such deals. Nothing more to it.
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and I like Auston Matthews a lot, but man I'd love to have the #2 pick in this draft. Laine reminds me a lot of Peter Forsberg.
Hey maybe we can send Nash for the #2 pick and get Laine. - Anak
Hey maybe throw in Staal and Girard too - Every other dip shit Ranger fan.
I never overrated Nash. That's Brett. Brett loves Nash....or at least thinks he's unfairly bashed on here.
Oh please. Fish is whining about Rangers talk. NEWSFLASH: the Rangers are the #1 hockey team in New York. Always have been; always will be. We're lucky that there's hockey talk at all given that they're the #4 sport in the country, in New York City and on BBI. Whining that there's not enough Islanders talk is silly given how small the fanbase is in general, but particularly on BBI.
But I understand the criticism and think he's far better suited as #2 piece.
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how many days in a row can you talk about Girard, Staal and Yandle.
The reality check these kids are in for this year is going to be AMAZING.
Please, go on...
What's the fun in that? ;D
Well, rationalizing a completely nonsensical comment implying that the Ranger fans here are somehow under the impression that the team is going to be a contender this year really doesn't sound fun at all. So, you're right... better to just hit and run in your case.
After being the better NY team for 10+ years (unfortunately we were too stupid to lose game 82 and thus got the Champs in round 1)... I suppose we could give you guys the next 2 years. I just feel bad for Lundqvist, otherwise I'd be perfectly fine with a rebuild. It doesn't get worse than how this past season felt -- and we put up 101 points so its not really rationale on my part, but man did this past season suck.
Lots of offseason left to go, Fekker. We have one thing you don't: ZEEEE KING
And soon your captain. MWAHAHAHAHAHA
How dare you, Mike!?!? : )
Just keep those miles of Tavares. Maybe an early first round exit or non-playoff years. We need him as our 1C in a few years after we shed Fish' favorite topics, Girardi and Staal
Lot's of offseason to go, indeed! Gonna be the fire sale from hell at MSG.
Pretty sure offended is not the correct word. Was just wondering who exactly is in for a "reality check"...
Nash on a line with someone like Crosby would be Kevin Stevens playing with Lemieux. The Rangers just don't have that luxury, so Nash takes a lot of heat.
He can be on the ice in every situation and makes a lot of subtle plays.
I'd pair him with Stepan and Kreider on the Rangers and swap Zuccarello to play with Brassard and JT Miller (if that's how they were aligned last year).
I'd take Nash on my team in a heartbeat though I wouldn't want to pay him what he makes or give up a lot for him at this age.
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Lot's of offseason to go, indeed! Gonna be the fire sale from hell at MSG.
That's actually a better long-term alternative to letting Yandle, Stepan and Hayes go for prospects, retaining all the old dead weight, and competing for 8 seeds the next 2-3 years. Which by all accounts it appears Gorton/Av/Sather prefer to do.
Rangers offseason in a nut shell:
Mike, not exactly the same, my friend but life would go on.
I am already over Hagelin winning the cup in that Hudson uniform.
pj, that's pretty much where I'm at. He might be a little overpaid at this point (if you could sign him as a free agent for one year, I'd imagine he'd get ~$5.6-$7M), but I think some fans make too much of his contract.
I am very wary of including Barzal in anything but a top player get like Hall. Many scouts had him pegged as a top 10 (some certainly top 5) pick last year had he not been injured. As I've said in my amateur opinion, his comp to me is Nik Backstrom with a better wrister. Way too valuable to move unless for a top talent.
Per Dreger, offer for Subban from #Oilers would be the 4th overall pick, one of Hall, Eberle, RNH and another piece. Step price indeed #Habs
Per Dreger, offer for Subban from #Oilers would be the 4th overall pick, one of Hall, Eberle, RNH and another piece. Step price indeed #Habs
Canadiens would have to do it, I like Leon Draisaitl, if they could get #4, Hall and Draisaitl that would be a steal and Chiarelli would have to have his head examined.
would prefer no RNH or Eberle.
Also has NYI @ 9 OA.
Could just be a test, but why wouldn't they use the real draft order?
I wonder who MTL got back?
Hayes brothers reunuion?
Would they mix real and fake trades like that? Seems strange.
Also has NYI @ 9 OA.
Could just be a test, but why wouldn't they use the real draft order?
Probably just testing to make sure it works when they make changes on the fly.
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Per Dreger, offer for Subban from #Oilers would be the 4th overall pick, one of Hall, Eberle, RNH and another piece. Step price indeed #Habs
Canadiens would have to do it, I like Leon Draisaitl, if they could get #4, Hall and Draisaitl that would be a steal and Chiarelli would have to have his head examined.
would prefer no RNH or Eberle.
"and another piece" seems inconsistent with Draisaitl. Also, rumors have swirled forever that Hall is a shitburger. There is something wrong in the Oilers dressing room and Hall's name is always in every article. Also, seems like Eberle has been available for 3 offseasons, which should be alarming.
Carolina and LA is the Sekera trade
Boston and SJ is the Jones trade
Toronto and Anaheim is the Anderson trade
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Per Dreger, offer for Subban from #Oilers would be the 4th overall pick, one of Hall, Eberle, RNH and another piece. Step price indeed #Habs
Canadiens would have to do it, I like Leon Draisaitl, if they could get #4, Hall and Draisaitl that would be a steal and Chiarelli would have to have his head examined.
would prefer no RNH or Eberle.
"and another piece" seems inconsistent with Draisaitl. Also, rumors have swirled forever that Hall is a shitburger. There is something wrong in the Oilers dressing room and Hall's name is always in every article. Also, seems like Eberle has been available for 3 offseasons, which should be alarming.
Yeah, Draisaitl would be dreaming as "another piece".
I'd almost prefer him at the main piece though over Hall, RNH, or Eberle who I want nothing to do with.
And if Yakupov is in any way included I hope it's as a throw-in.
I tend to think losing breeds locker room dissent, the culture in EDM is so bad right now, for so long, I'd hesitate to put much stock in locker room cancer comments. Everyone gets pissed when you're a doormat.
but...I'd expect Bergevin to vet it properly. Hall is the most talented out of Hall, RNH, Eberle, and Yakupov IMO.
RNH is owed a ton of money (as is Hall, but Hall is better)
Per Dreger, offer for Subban from #Oilers would be the 4th overall pick, one of Hall, Eberle, RNH and another piece. Step price indeed #Habs
I have no problem with that trade for the Oilers. Except maybe Subban isnt the right guy the need leadership-wise.
I have no problem with that trade for the Oilers. Except maybe Subban isnt the right guy the need leadership-wise.
Subban is underrated in the leadership aspect IMO, both on and off the ice. not well known maybe outside of MTL, but he is one of the most well respected locker room presence and community leaders in the league.
He'd be perfect to lead EDM out of their funk, but I'd also prefer not to trade him.
so it would have to be a lopsided deal IMO b/c of all the intangibles which could be a tough sell to a new fan base.
I personally do not arnifez. I think you'll find a split on the board of Ranger fans. I do not think we will see an overhaul of the roster. I am sure Gorton is fielding calls but if he were to move a significant piece, he would have to be able to get a fair market return. The concern I have is that teams know the Rangers are in a bind (Fish) with prohibitive contracts to Girardi and Staal, and letting Yandle go), unless Gorton can create a bidding for his players, the Rangers may have to stand pat or accept a lower trade as far as value goes.
I think this roster is what opening night 2016 will look at with Buchnevich and some 2nd tier signings.
What does that mean for the Rangers? these guy know more than me, but in general things should be active starting this weekend and then into free agency.
Yes, I do believe it. Doesn't mean it will happen.
Just look at the Rangers roster and cap projection (current plus 2-3 years out). They'd be nuts not to be considering some significant moves. Again, doesn't mean the value will be there.
My fear is that Snow will be making the moves in this critical offseason.
Absolutely if it was Boychuk. Although I may do it with Leddy as well just seeing what Yandle and Goligoski are getting Leddy's contract may be a very friendly deal by the end of it and replacing him may cost too much.
Lol.
We'll find out. If nothing significant happens then we know Brooks and company are even more full of shit then ever.
We'll find out. If nothing significant happens then we know Brooks and company are even more full of shit then ever.
Feels like gridlock a little bit. No one wants to be the first domino
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Someone around the Oilers organization just confirmed to me that the Canadiens asked for Draisaitl and the 4 pick for Subban!
Huge buzz about P.K. Subban and a potential brewing trade here in Buffalo. Habs GM Marc Bergevin expected to address the media here shortly.
Hearing @EdmontonOilers very interested in P.K. and considering a big ask that includes everyone not named McDavid.
The PK Subban trade talk is real, fwiw. I don't know how far along or if anything will happen but it's not just random smoke.
All this is from HFBoards, but that would be massive if true. I would think if Laraque is right, Edmonton would be crazy not to jump on that.
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Asked by @drosennhl if it was realistic a Subban trade could happen, Bergevin answered "No."
If he's going to be traded it will be this weekend or at least before 7/1.
The Montreal Canadiens among the most interested in Ducks D-man, Cam Fowler. Obviously fuels the Subban speculation.
Holy shyte will they rue the day!
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Holy shyte will they rue the day!
Yes, all those PP goals he's going to assist on over the next 5 years are gonna make them regret it. ;)
That's what she said.
Maybe the rights to KO
Dreger: "The #Oilers would love to move Nail Yakupov. The problem that they have is they can't get much more than a third-round draft pick."
LeBrun also throwing water on the Subban rumors citing the Habs aren't moving PK given nothing piqued their interest enough. Possibility of seeing what may transpire between now and his July 1 NMC kicking in.
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Sounds about right to me.
Some Islander tidbits:
Another reporter asked if Casey Cizikas new contract bothered him, but Martin threw cold water on that theory.
Hes been one of my best friends for a long time, and Im very happy for him, he said. He deserves it.
Has he thought about playing against John Tavares, another good friend?
I tried that in junior, and it didnt go very well, he said with a laugh.
14. Tavares, by the way, tried to conceal a smile when asked if it was true he plans his summer schedule by January, as personal skating coach Dawn Braid indicated a few weeks ago. Dawn likes to plan ahead, too, he replied.
15. New York Islanders GM Garth Snow confirmed hes not interested in moving Ryan Strome. After he was benched in the playoffs, there were queries. But doesnt sound like Strome is going anywhere. Still young, and they need him if the free agents walk.
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Friedman: Im sure #NYR and P.K. Subban would be a perfect marriage, "theres just no chance thats going to be able to happen." #Habs
What about the Islanders? It would be much cheaper but would a reunion be out of the question?
Because of what Convitz or whatever his name was posted?
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My head hurts
CGY working to get a goalie. Have had talks with TB on Bishop and with STL on Elliott. CGY has permission to talk to Bishop about extension.
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Would not mind seeing what they'd offer for Halak
Doesn't mean a god damned thing, but it's at least nice to hear it.
Doesn't mean a god damned thing, but it's at least nice to hear it.
For the love of God, please let there be a Bob Gainey among the GMs. Shit, I don't even need a McDonagh return. Just take them for free.
Question: do you guys want a separate draft thread to discuss that and draft related trades, or keep it all here? I don't have strong feelings either way but figured it was worth asking.
Shit. I hope not, but Brett is usually on point.
Yup
Mtl got 2017 & 2018 2nd round picks for Lars
Frees up the goalie logjam in SL, and gets CAL a quality starter. Good move for both teams depending on other assets being moved with them.
OTT might be flipping with NJ
Mtl got 2017 & 2018 2nd round picks for Lars
basically Eller for Shaw. like both players, logjam at C for MTL, but Shaw is better, hopefully they sign him.
Snow huddling with George McPhee and a few others from #Isles front office at their table. 6 picks away from 19. Lot of huddling tonight.
Seth, when's the last time the Rangers had a #1? There's reason to be concerned about Sather's stripping the team of draft choices to land older guys whose cap hits made them impossible to keep, or who were old enough that they weren't worth keeping by the end of their time in NY.
Very convincing looking fake. Z and N flipped in the handle
NHLN guys just said he's the best pure goalscorer in the draft outside of Laine. Kid says he likes to mix it up and get to the dirty areas.
For the US U18 National team developmental program in 2016, he was 50-31-81 in 62 games (with 101 PIMs). Also was 16-16-32 in 23 USHL games in 2016.
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Bellows approach towards every shift is to keep himself involved at all times in order to acquire the puck, using his physical gifts and wide frame to protect it as he maneuvers towards the net. Take our word for it if a defender is nervous going back for the puck, Bellows will sniff it out and exploit that fear. He plays an aggressive, sometimes stubborn game, often too much for his own good. Getting whistled for bad penalties is a habit hes had since high school, and fixing that should be a training objective when he plays for Boston University next season. When he keeps his emotions in check, however, he can be an unstoppable force.
I also like this tweet from the writer on that website:
Isles take heavy-hitting sniper Kieffer Bellows. Mean and hard to play against. Undoubtedly will annoy NYR fans
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Isles take heavy-hitting sniper Kieffer Bellows. Mean and hard to play against. Undoubtedly will annoy NYR fans
I'm already annoyed that you posted this pg! : )
Isles take heavy-hitting sniper Kieffer Bellows. Mean and hard to play against. Undoubtedly will annoy NYR fans
I'm already annoyed that you posted this pg! : )
New Jerrsey acquires Beau Bennett from Pittsburgh for pick No. 77. Ray Shero getting one of his old kids back.
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#NYR select Sean Day with the 81st pick, a player who was granted exceptional status in the #OHL as a 15-year-old.
Ryan Kennedy @THNRyanKennedy
Rangers take Sean Day with their first pick. There is obviously a lot of risk here (commitment?), but high potential, too (great skater).
Blueshirt Bulletin @NYRBlueBulletin
A few years back he was considered a potential top-end first rounder. Has the potential to be a very nice pickup for the Blueshirts.
Day is 6'2" and 229 lbs. Described by Elite Prospects as a mobile two-way defender who boats elite skill.
Sean Hartnett @HartnettHockey
Sean Day, a left-handed d-man collected 22 pts (six goals, 16 assists) in 57 last season for Mississauga. #NYR prospect listed at 6'2", 228.
Adam Herman @AdamZHerman
Sean Day has everything you want in terms of the toolbox. Good size, great skater. He hasn't put it together yet.
Pat Leonard @PLeonardNYDN
Day was born in Belgium. In 2013 at 15yo became just 4th player to receive OHL exception status after Tavares, Ekblad, McDavid
^^^I'd say that's pretty good company
Tarmo Reunanen is a bit off the board, but is a puck-moving defenseman. NYR addressing need in a serious way. Adam Herman. Reunanen is another gamble pick by NYR. Injury hurt his stock. With some luck, it's a bargain.
"Defenseman Tarmo Reunanen was a lynchpin as a top four defenseman for a surprisingly good Finnish club at this years Ivan Hlinka Memorial Tournament. Never shying away from opposition shots or physical play, Reunanen consistently battled in the corners, came away with pucks, and headily moved them up to his forward teammates. He finished the tournament with one assist along with six penalty minutes in five games.
Read more at http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/128355/2016-nhl-draft-qa-team-finland-defenseman-tarmo-reunanen/#xTIZHsBOmsRjmoQY.99"
Final Rank: 53, Midterm Rank: 33. 6' 0", Weight: 178
New York Rangers take Tim Gettinger . He's a 6'5" forward, he's a bit of a project but he has great hands and intriguing upside.
Corey Pronman @coreypronman
Rangers take Tim Gettinger. Came in with hype but under performed a little. I still like him as a big guy with decent hands who can PK.
Adam Herman @AdamZHerman
NYR take Tim Gettinger. I like the pick. He's big but also have offensive instincts. Definitelyt a fifth-round talent. @Halvy31 teammate.
OHL Prospects @BrockOtten
NYR take my highest ranked OHL player left, Tim Gettinger. Huge kid, great skater. Needs to play with more jam & use his size. Potential tho
What Scouts See
Bill Placzek, Draft Site
Oversized lanky wing with surprising feet and mobility, hockey sense and hands. has long term potential as an NHL power forward down the road. Plays on both the PP and PK. A three zone player with a good release, soft hands, and inside touch. Plays pretty strong with the puck and along the boards, and makes good decisions in all phases. Long term prospect with good upside.
HockeyProspect.com Black Book
Gettinger is a huge winger who has extremely skilled hands. He does a great job stickhandling around defenders despite lacking great skating ability to evade defenders. When he can combine this with good body positioning it makes it nearly impossible to get the puck off him. He has improved in this area, as he was too easy to knock off the puck early in the season. He has good positioning in the slot on the power play and has contributed to some goals here because of quick hands and the goaltenders inability to see past him.
Ranked #73 by Bob McKenzie
Ranked #95 by McKeen's Hockey
Jrme Brub
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NYR goes with Gabriel Fontaine in the 6th round. Very happy with this pick. 2nd year eligible, we had Fontaine ranked 163.
Ranked #195 by Hockeyprospect.com
Ranked #30 by NHL Central Scouting (NA Goalies)
For Wall (good name for a Goalie). He's going to UMass-Lowell
it was said above for the Rangers 5th round pick.
does it mean he's a legit 5th round pick and is likely to never set foot in MSG or he's talented more than the 5th round typically dictates.
NHL odds of finding a contributor after the first few rounds are dismal.
Ty Ronning is basically a walking clich. Supremely talented forward who is 5'9 so scouts were scared off. This was the ideal pick.
Elite Prospects: A small but industrious speedster that always seeks to be engaged in the play. Skates very well and has the shiftiness to avoid being rubbed out. Isnt afraid of physical play, but knows his role as an offensive catalyst and plays to his strengths. Excellent hands and hockey sense. Only knock is his size, but that doesnt impede his compete level. Possesses the fundamental skills and natural goal scoring instincts that make the players around him better.
Future Considerations: Ronning, the son of former NHLer Cliff, is an offensive-minded forward just like his father. He is an explosive, wide-based skater who is able to quickly drive lanes and exploit mistakes on the ice. When he sees an opening, he uses his powerful first step to turn on the jets and jump to the attack, showing a great compete level around loose pucks. He complements this speed and shiftiness with great hands and solid intelligence. Ronning is a slippery player who can operate with the puck at high speed.
Once thought of as undersized and injury-prone, he started flying out of the ashes from the CHL prospects game and had a 30 goal and 59 point season, without the luxury of a high edn centreman to feed him the puck. Relentless in puck pursuit, very similar to his father, Cliff, a former NHLer. A quick agile skater who attacks the goalie with patience and cuts and weaves fearlessly in the attack zone, eventually having the goaltender commit and for him to capitalize. Can take a hit and make the play. Projects as a small fourth line NHLer with hustle and jump.
--Bill Placzek--
Sure, go back 16 years. Every 16 years you'll get a gem in the late rounds.
I was just asking how the author meant the comment.
the odds of NHL draft round success are well documented.
the 5th round "talent" has a 14% chance of playing in 100 NHL games.
Pick Appeared In NHL Played 100+ Games In NHL
Top-5 100% 96.3%
6-10 100% 78.1%
Rest of First Round 88.6% 63.0%
Second Round 65.7% 31.1%
Third Round 50.7% 27.9%
Fourth Round 36.0% 18.7%
Fifth Round 29.9% 14.2%
Sixth Round 30.0% 14.3%
Seventh Through Ninth Rounds 27.1% 11.6%
I'm definitely going to call him "Sheldon Day" more than once. #Draftsmixup
His mother was hospitalized with Lupus
His problem is between the ears. Not a great hockey IQ. Not clear that he LOVES hockey. If you can get thru to him, he's a top pair dman. If not, it's a #3. So what. He'll be in the OHL for two years which I think is bad news. He should play with men. Physically that's where he is, and with men he'd have to try harder. But I trust the Rangers to guide him to good decisions. Hopefully as he matures he commits to being great. Or we write him off.
Thats the rosy outlook.
The cloudy one: Seidel currently has Day ranked as the 32nd overall pick. He even knows a few in his scouting brethren that dont think Day will be drafted. At all.
Although he believes such a view is ludicrous, Seidel is certain there will be a lot of battles in (NHL) team scouting meetings when Days name comes up.
Hes one of the most unique players Ive ever scouted in my entire history doing this over 22 years, Seidel said. In a sense hes kind of like (2014 New York Islanders first-rounder and Niagara IceDog) Josh Ho-Sang, polarizing for different reasons. From a physical standpoint, this kid has tools NHL players dream about. Hes a linebacker on skates.
But he really lacks urgency. Hes got a real passive quality to his game. With his abilities, he could take the game over and simply dominate. Yet, he doesnt.
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That would be about three weeks earlier than in past expansion years. That will give the Las Vegas team more time to wheel and deal ahead of the expansion draft with teams wanting to pay a price in order to have Las Vegas not pick a certain player from their roster. Daly said the league has no issue with these types of trades as long as they're above-board.
"I think our feeling on that, and one of the reasons we'll have a player transaction window in advance, is that those deals are legitimate deals," said Daly. "Obviously clubs are getting value for making those commitments, but those commitments will be transparent and part of a bona fide player transaction, as opposed to handshakes before theyre able to do those."
We shall see.
We shall see.
Haven't seen that but it wouldn't be a bad signing. He's not the Vanek from 10 years ago, but he's still the sniper and PP player we need. He's still productive offensively. I think it'd also be another nail in the coffin for Nash.
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An NHL exec who just read my tweet on #Stamkos frontrunners: "Don't sleep on the #Islanders! They will make a push!"
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Obviously, no one knows what's in Day's heart and mind. If he can tap into even 50% of his talent level, he'll probably be an NHL regular. If he puts it all together, he's a potential Norris candidate. He has all the physical tools and skills you'd want in a defenseman. Big, powerful, great skater, great puck skills, crisp passes. He just doesn't produce all that much with those gifts yet. Maybe he will, maybe he won't, but in that round they definitely were right to pull the trigger. Duclair (*sniffle*) dropped for a lot of the same reasons. It's not an apples to apples comparison because Duclair wasn't considered to be the same level of talent in the first place and had produced at a high level before struggling through an injury-hampered year and had size concerns, but probably the major reason why he went in the third instead of the first is because Roy bagged on the kid and claimed he was lazy and disinterested.
The players that have also been given that provision are pretty special. Tavares, McDavid, guys like that. We'll see
Wade Redden hired by #preds as assistant director of player development.
Sometimes a failure to meet really high expectations causes evaluators to be blind to someone who is still a good player. Brett Hull was a 6th round pick because he was fat as a young player and teams thought he was coasting by on talent alone and lacked the work ethic to play
I don't know. I don't know enough about him.
Certainly sounds like there's a really high ceiling, though.. which is a big plus.
Certainly sounds like there's a really high ceiling, though.. which is a big plus.
Yeah, they say he's the epitome of a boom or bust guy. He'll either be out of the league or a superstar defenseman. I posted stuff about him when he was drafted.
Certainly sounds like there's a really high ceiling, though.. which is a big plus.
this guy sounds too good to be true, some people mature later than others. will be interesting to follow him.
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NHL draft picks are tougher than NFL and NBA because we actually get to see those guys play a good amount and know more about them as players when they're drafted. Everything I've read about Day tells me that there's huge value potential based on where we were able to get him but I've certainly never seen the guy play and didn't know he existed prior to the draft.
Certainly sounds like there's a really high ceiling, though.. which is a big plus.
this guy sounds too good to be true, some people mature later than others. will be interesting to follow him.
Yeah, I kind of agree but who knows. I'm not going to pretend I know anything about the kid but it's hard to believe that someone with size and talent like this lasted until rd. 3. Is his "want to" that questionable where there's a legitimate concern that he just doesn't like playing hockey all that much?
Good news. Get him out of juniors.
In a world where Matt Martin looks to be commanding $2.5m or more per year, it's hard to slam this deal.
And if the league finally ever gets a few consecutive years of cap growth, could ultimately look like a bargain.
pj - what are your thoughts??
In a world where Matt Martin looks to be commanding $2.5m or more per year, it's hard to slam this deal.
And if the league finally ever gets a few consecutive years of cap growth, could ultimately look like a bargain.
pj - what are your thoughts??
I feel like the NHL draft is more of a crapshoot than some of you, but the fact the Canadiens had to trade 2nd round picks for the right to pay Shaw that much doesn't feel right.
I have felt like Bergevin has done some good things, but this off-season so far is pretty questionable.
I wasn't a huge Lars Eller fan - though he was better defensively than Shaw, but it seems pretty much like a wash Shaw for Eller and then the two seconds in this year's draft give up for Shaw and in return for Eller two 2nds back but a 2nd in 2017 and one in 2018 from Washington.
seems like moves for the sake of moves unless Bergevin felt strongly this was just a pitiful draft after the first round.
Plus there's the whole homophobic slur suspension for Shaw.
The Canadiens are still built on Price, Subban, Paccioretty and Galchenyuk and to a lesser extent, Plekanec and Gallagher and then a bunch of Jags.
They need another top 6 forward and top 4 D-man.
So far they don't have either.
If they really are looking to get Rakell back in a Nash deal, one of Stepan/Brassard/Hayes would have to be headed out, I'd imagine. Center would be getting awfully crowded. If you put any stock into the notion that they're going to go hard for Stamkos, maybe they try to package one of those centers with Staal/Girardi.
Thanks in advance.
Should we be optimistic regarding offseason moves that will strengthen the team?
You would think Ledecky would not want to introduce himself if all the team did was lose Okposo and Nielsen.
Should we be optimistic regarding offseason moves that will strengthen the team?
You would think Ledecky would not want to introduce himself if all the team did was lose Okposo and Nielsen.
Nice. And I agree with your read on the situation.
When are you arriving for UM at Red Rocks?
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They sign anyone even if they try. Therefore ledecky could walk into a shit storm if worst case scenario happens.
When are you arriving for UM at Red Rocks?
I'm not. You turned me down.
Blue Jackets have agreed to terms with D Seth Jones on a six-year, $32.4M extension ($5.4M AAV).
Blue Jackets have agreed to terms with D Seth Jones on a six-year, $32.4M extension ($5.4M AAV).
you're not putting this in perspective.
Jones' contract covers a bunch of team controlled years where he would've made a lot less than he's $5.4AAV.
Girardi and Staal are vets who were on UFA contracts.
Apples/Oranges
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Blue Jackets have agreed to terms with D Seth Jones on a six-year, $32.4M extension ($5.4M AAV).
you're not putting this in perspective.
Jones' contract covers a bunch of team controlled years where he would've made a lot less than he's $5.4AAV.
Girardi and Staal are vets who were on UFA contracts.
Apples/Oranges
True, but I was just pointing it out
True, but I was just pointing it out
But the point is meaningless. It's only worth pointing out if the context wasnt true. It would be like complaining about how much we pay Stepan when McDavid makes a lot less.
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Islanders, Nashville, Tampa Bay, Montreal...among the many with interest in Andrew Ladd. When Stamkos decision is made the next wave hits.
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Blue Jackets have agreed to terms with D Seth Jones on a six-year, $32.4M extension ($5.4M AAV).
you're not putting this in perspective.
Jones' contract covers a bunch of team controlled years where he would've made a lot less than he's $5.4AAV.
Girardi and Staal are vets who were on UFA contracts.
Apples/Oranges
Except the Apples compared to the Oranges here had the Rangers doing "Bridge deals" during those cost controlled years and it ended up costing them more for these guys in the long run..
What're you doing awake? Isn't it like 10:00 in Colorado?
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What're you doing awake? Isn't it like 10:00 in Colorado?
Wake n bake
I wouldn't touch Stamkos for anything over 8 million. Too risky given his history with blood clots.
I wouldn't touch Stamkos for anything over 8 million. Too risky given his history with blood clots.
He'll get over 10M I bet. I'm leery too, but someone won't be.
I agree. I think whichever teams don't get Stamkos will be interested in Nash as a consolation prize.
1 for 1 trade
@FriedgeHNIC
It is a straight one-for-one deal. Hall for Larsson.
Off the bat...What a horrible trade for Edmonton IMO. 24 year old winger coming off a 65 point, 26 goal season.
Maybe they know they can't pay Hall in 2 years when he's a free agent and would rather control Larsson for the next 5 years in return?
@RealKyper
Talk of @Canadiens moving PK as early as today. Stay tuned. @Sportsnet.
FUCK. State income tax plays a factor yet again.
Anybody want Rick Nash now??
Anybody want Rick Nash now??
Hahaha yeah my brain is struggling to process everything.
Welcome back PA and Moulson!!!!
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Welcome back PA and Moulson!!!!
I was thinking PA and Vanek but to my surprise it sounds like other teams still may want Vanek. I expected his suitors to be so bad he would have to suck it up and play in brooklyn after he complained about the move when he left
#yupsnow'd
I could see Nash intriguing any team that struck out on Stamkos. Detroit, Toronto, Anaheim...
That is, if they have the cap room
of competitive advantage, but this just flies in the face of the idea of an level playing field / equality of opportunity.
Their D is hurting.
Maybe the Canadiens can flip them She Weber for Pastrnak.
they have a lot of cap room I believe.
I don't understand how all this works in the NHL but after yesterdays kick to the nuts, please make this be true.
All this after allegedly turning down a Trouba for Ericsson trade at the deadline, and Ericsson is now UFA.
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Maybe they know they can't pay Hall in 2 years when he's a free agent and would rather control Larsson for the next 5 years in return?
Hall has 4-years left on his contract.
ouch. Sadly, I agree.
After Marchand, Krug is my most hated Bruin. Such a d-bag.
what about him? trade for him? He's young and very good.
I'd love him on my team's 2nd line.
not sure if people want a separate thread or to keep the discussion here.
not sure if people want a separate thread or to keep the discussion here.