Now that the calamity of another Pens' Cup has occurred, everyone can move on to the business of getting to June 2017. The Rangers, obviously, have a lot of work to do to get back to being a contender. Word is the salary cap may actually shrink, which puts several teams, including NYR, CHI, and PIT in crunches. Should be an interesting couple of months!
And then the Rangers will take Bickell off your hands and send you back Marc Staal. We'll throw in this lightly used Marek Hrivik if you insist.
K? Thx. Bai.
I don't expect him to be picked. But it allows the Rangers to protect a different dman.
the Blackhawks need to let guys like Sharp, Teravainen, Byfuglin, etc. go.
Crawford had a really good year, but I would have traded him and even Seabrook.
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to reach the cap floor. I simply don't think Girardi is going anywhere anytime soon unless he's packaged with an asset or two.
I don't expect him to be picked. But it allows the Rangers to protect a different dman.
Yes, but Girardi would still be on the books for the Rangers. We need to get rid of him now.
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Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford, etc.
the Blackhawks need to let guys like Sharp, Teravainen, Byfuglin, etc. go.
Crawford had a really good year, but I would have traded him and even Seabrook.
both those two are owed way too much money (Seabrook is already 31 and still owed almost 50M and Crawford 24M) at this point to be traded IMO. I expect either or both will be exposed in the expansion draft (I don't remember how goalies work).
pj, I should have been more clear - I meant prior to signing. I was wrong on Crawford's quality, though, so it's not a horrendous deal. I think Seabrook's is bad. They should have traded him for prospects.
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In comment 12992493 pjcas18 said:
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and Crosby, Malkin and MAF were 11, 12 and 13 years ago.
that's some fancy work by a GM keeping those guys together and MAF did little to nothing to help this cup.
Agree re Boston. Dont agree that it is fancy work keeping together Sid and Geno. How often have we seen players of that caliber actually walk in free agency, in their 20s?
Ok, fair point, I should have said it's some good GM work keeping those three and remaining competitive.
in fact they've added players like Kessel to the mix instead of just maintaining.
Chicago has stayed competitive too.
the Bruins paid Bergeron, Chara and Krejci after their cup and it cost them they had to trade guys like Boychuk, Lucic, and Hamilton among others. Some teams can't make it work.
the fact the Penguins and Blackhawks have kept their core together this long is impressive to me.
I'd argue that the Pens did a shitty job post Cup #1 staying competitive. Those rosters were the few big names and then barren. Terrible drafts too. Turned it around THIS year, and I'd have to study exactly how. But IMO the franchise going 6 years with just one conference finals appearance (no SCF) while having Sid and Geno (and Letang) isnt impressive, even conceding that each guy has had material injury issues.
Blackhawks have been a lot more impressive.
Chicago is definitely more impressive because of the cups obviously, but the Penguins, when compared with say the Bruins or the teams who won the cup immediately before the first Pens cup with Crosby the Ducks, Red Wings or Hurricanes, I find the Penguins impressive.
You don't. Cool, I agree to disagree.
Chicago is definitely more impressive because of the cups obviously, but the Penguins, when compared with say the Bruins or the teams who won the cup immediately before the first Pens cup with Crosby the Ducks, Red Wings or Hurricanes, I find the Penguins impressive.
You don't. Cool, I agree to disagree.
Right before the lockout and Crosby they missed the playoffs like 4 or 5 straight years. They were terrible.
Yeah. I guess Deej's point is when you have the best player in the league and another one not far behind, the "success" the Pens had in between cups is not impressive.
I just don't think hockey works like basketball where the best player is enough to make your team one of the best. Hockey is just too reliant on depth, system, hate to say it "puck luck" - which I'm not going to debate but hopefully people get what I mean, than just having the best players.
I included MAF in their core, but him being kept might have actually hurt more than helped the pens. I am not a fan of his, but either way, it's hard to keep players when you're successful in the NHL.
I mentioned this before, the Bruins had to trade Boychuk, Lucic, and Hamilton, and that's omitting Seguin who I also won't get into but I don't think they had to trade him for the same reasons.
That's the price you pay IMO for keeping Crosby and Malkin. On CHI both Kane and Toews make 10M plus each. How do you build a roster around that?
Crosby and Malkin are a little less than that, but it's not easy to spread that around.
the Kings IMO just show how a hot goalie can carry a team. Sure the Kings have talent with guys like Doughty and Kopitar, but Quick was really the story of those two cups.
the first one more so than the 2nd, but when their backs were to the wall, Quick responded like an elite goalie.
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pj, I should have been more clear - I meant prior to signing. I was wrong on Crawford's quality, though, so it's not a horrendous deal. I think Seabrook's is bad. They should have traded him for prospects.
Because they have to fill this roster with a bunch of players. While we have the cap space, the number of guaranteed roster players is very low. We need cap space for not only quality players but quantity ones as well. Hence, players like Nash, Girardi, Staal and Glass must go.
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without buying them out. I wouldn't trade Skjei or Buchnevich but a guy like McIlrath I'd include if it meant getting rid of Girardi.
I wouldn't - he has value as someone who can be exposed in the expansion draft. Further, the buyout is significantly more palatable next year. I think the team needs to look at the next 3-4 years, not just next year.
I read somewhere that teams were inquiring about Staal.
Do you remember where you saw that teams were inquiring about Staal?
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Uncle Larry posted a while back about the Wild being interested in bringing in the hometown kid. I want Dumba and Coyle for Stepan.
Short of a really incredible haul, there's no way they should be retaining a penny of salary. The whole thing sounds like wild (no pun intended) speculation, but he better be incorrect about that point.
I would be hard to see Steps go, but I can appreciate that you don't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. It's all about what's coming back.
I think that's clearly in the Rangers favor, but I wouldn't trade Stepan for much less.
Maybe the Rangers add one of the handful of nice young goalies they have in the system.
If that's the case, I'd make it deHaan or Hickey
If that's the case, I'd make it deHaan or Hickey
Not being able (NMCs) or not being willing to do what it takes (buyouts) are a hell of a lot different than not wanting to get rid of them.
It's almost undeniable that if they could go back in time and not do those deals, they'd take that offer in a heartbeat.
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without buying them out. I wouldn't trade Skjei or Buchnevich but a guy like McIlrath I'd include if it meant getting rid of Girardi.
I wouldn't - he has value as someone who can be exposed in the expansion draft. Further, the buyout is significantly more palatable next year. I think the team needs to look at the next 3-4 years, not just next year.
I read somewhere that teams were inquiring about Staal.
Do you remember where you saw that teams were inquiring about Staal?
Colorado and Dallas have shown preliminary interest in Marc Staal, banking on the fact that the NYR will retain anywhere from 20-30% of cap
I wouldn't say Staal trade is anywhere near likely right now. Will heat up closer to draft. Staal also has a NTC/NMC that would be a factor
I've seen this guy get a couple things right in the past, but don't consider him a high-quality source. So, I take it with a grain of salt. I thought I read it on Sportsnet or something more credible initially, but I couldn't find the article so I'm probably wrong about that.
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but without him and Yandle this year, I do doubt we'll make the playoffs. If that's the route we choose to go and it might be the right call... I'd prefer a more drastic overhaul.
A slow bleed isn't a good strategy.
Based on what I've read, I think Skjei and Buchnevich are in fact going to have to be protected -- sounds like AHL and KHL years are counted in the "professional experience".
So right out of the gate you're protecting McDonagh and Skjei. Being able to use the third spot on Yandle or his replacement or even McIlrath instead of Staal is really important.
Even if they can find a palatable deal for Staal, they need to do what the can to get him to waive the NMC before the expansion draft. If push came to shove, I'd even consider telling him we'd bring Eric Staal back on a one year deal if he agrees to permanently waive his NMC. (Obviously lots of variables there, but just an example of stupid shit id be willing to do not to have to use the protection slot.
also PK Subban is "not being moved" per Bergevin. I don't want him traded, but his NMC kicks in July 1 and then he's much harder to move, so if he is going to be traded it would be in the next two weeks.
Obviously Bickell won't be bought out by CHI now that he's been traded, but maybe CAR. No one interests me on here. Maybe Dustin Brown for cheap depth but I think he thinks he's worth more than he is.
Jared Clinton of The Hockey News: Looking at 10 players who could be bought out by their teams. The NHL buyout period opens up today.
Eric Nystrom Nashville Predators
Bryan Bickell Chicago Blackhawks
Dave Bolland Florida Panthers
Chris Higgins Vancouver Canucks
R.J. Umberger Philadelphia Flyers
Thomas Vanek Minnesota Wild
Kari Lehtonen Dallas Stars
Jared Cowen Toronto Maple Leafs
Fedor Tyutin Columbus Blue Jackets
Dustin Brown Los Angeles Kings
also PK Subban is "not being moved" per Bergevin. I don't want him traded, but his NMC kicks in July 1 and then he's much harder to move, so if he is going to be traded it would be in the next two weeks.
Obviously Bickell won't be bought out by CHI now that he's been traded, but maybe CAR. No one interests me on here. Maybe Dustin Brown for cheap depth but I think he thinks he's worth more than he is.
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10 NHL Buyout Candidates
Jared Clinton of The Hockey News: Looking at 10 players who could be bought out by their teams. The NHL buyout period opens up today.
Eric Nystrom Nashville Predators
Bryan Bickell Chicago Blackhawks
Dave Bolland Florida Panthers
Chris Higgins Vancouver Canucks
R.J. Umberger Philadelphia Flyers
Thomas Vanek Minnesota Wild
Kari Lehtonen Dallas Stars
Jared Cowen Toronto Maple Leafs
Fedor Tyutin Columbus Blue Jackets
Dustin Brown Los Angeles Kings
Probably so, but I think that's a fair deal for Ward. I don't think the Hurricanes are legit contenders, and I'd guess most starting goalies make more than $3M. Ward made 6M last year.
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Dude let me ask you something since this is hilariously obsessed over everyday....
If the Rangers called Dan Girardi and his agent into their offices and said
"Dan you were a representative player here but quite frankly we agree with Anakim and Brett among others that you sir, suck a fucking ball sack at hockey and you do have this NMC however we'd heavily prefer you consider letting us know some teams you may want to go to. We are looking to make changes due to factors a, b, c, d, and we'd like to find common ground for you to go to a contender in a city you'd play in and part ways at this point. Your role on the team is no longer tenable and we don't want to scratch you every night or consider buying you out etc... So lets figure out where you'd play"
Do you truly think this guy would say no i refuse to move and wish to continue to sit on this roster that my team wants me off of aSap? I mean has it ever happened that way? I'm genuinely curious if there is a player who flat out refused to move and instead sat in the press box or played 1 minute per game.
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His agent deserves a firm handshake and Sather deserves a slap in the back of the head.
Dude let me ask you something since this is hilariously obsessed over everyday....
If the Rangers called Dan Girardi and his agent into their offices and said
"Dan you were a representative player here but quite frankly we agree with Anakim and Brett among others that you sir, suck a fucking ball sack at hockey and you do have this NMC however we'd heavily prefer you consider letting us know some teams you may want to go to. We are looking to make changes due to factors a, b, c, d, and we'd like to find common ground for you to go to a contender in a city you'd play in and part ways at this point. Your role on the team is no longer tenable and we don't want to scratch you every night or consider buying you out etc... So lets figure out where you'd play"
Do you truly think this guy would say no i refuse to move and wish to continue to sit on this roster that my team wants me off of aSap? I mean has it ever happened that way? I'm genuinely curious if there is a player who flat out refused to move and instead sat in the press box or played 1 minute per game.
I actually agree with you here Seth. I've always thought that, for these guys, the desire to play supersedes the obsession with staying with one team. If a team tells a player that they're going to be benched or marginalized if they don't accept a trade, the player is most likely going to accept the trade, unless it's a trade to a dumpster fire of a team. It doesn't excuse the stupidity of management for handing out NMCs like candy, but it's not a guarantee that a player won't be moved. I think people need to be more upset that the Rangers can't see that Girardi/Staal/Glass are black holes that need to be moved ASAP. Where there's a will, there's a way.
But would Girardi waive his NMC to go to Arizona? Methinks not. Why would he? Is Arizona appealing? Maybe, but are the Coyotes any good? In the future, maybe but next year? Probably not.
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Some NTC/NMC updates... first off:
Dan Girardi (#NYR) NMC includes all years of his deal