Now that the calamity of another Pens' Cup has occurred, everyone can move on to the business of getting to June 2017. The Rangers, obviously, have a lot of work to do to get back to being a contender. Word is the salary cap may actually shrink, which puts several teams, including NYR, CHI, and PIT in crunches. Should be an interesting couple of months!
My ideal offseason is Nash and Staal are traded for a couple of picks or prospects and we acquire Shattenkirk for McIlraith and a prospect. Pipedream on my part, but that's my hope.
Not I. I think Yandle is better offensively and defensively.
Nash and Staal are hopefully moveable but it wont be easy. Rumor has it other teams want NYR to eat 30% of Staal's contract.
And Yandle is going to get paid a fortune on the wrong side of 30. This officially marks the end of what was one of the worst trades in Rangers franchise history - made because Sather didn't care about the long-term of this organization.
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better than Yandle?
Not I. I think Yandle is better offensively and defensively.
I think they're eerily similar. But all things being equal I'd take Shattenkirk. Both get pushed around in front of the net, and are more offensive minded than defensive, but I'd make Shattenkirk a top 2 defenseman, worst case top 4 and I wouldn't feel like i had to pair him with a stay at home defenseman. He has better instincts IMO.
I like Yandle better on the PP, but Shattenkirk is good there too.
they're a lot alike IMO, so the cheaper of the two is maybe the better.
Fair point, forgot about this protection slot stuff.
Nash and Staal are hopefully moveable but it wont be easy. Rumor has it other teams want NYR to eat 30% of Staal's contract.
And Yandle is going to get paid a fortune on the wrong side of 30. This officially marks the end of what was one of the worst trades in Rangers franchise history - made because Sather didn't care about the long-term of this organization.
Holy fuckin dumb.
You are literally the only person in North America that thinks Girardi is a good player. It's cute.
There's no reason to have Glass or Martin on the roster, ever.
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they really ought to be waiting until next offseason when they don't need to give anything up and don't have to use a protection slot on him.
Fair point, forgot about this protection slot stuff.
Shattenkirk is a FA after this coming season. so he's not going to get much in return and is very possibly unlikely to be selected because he'd need a new contract, not sure how that works if he's selected in the expansion draft but doesn't come to agreement on a contract.
One if you guys probably knows.
I don't even know if the expansion club would be allowed to pick him, but basically they would be doing so only for cap space. He'd still be a UFA with no strings on 7/1. In theory they'd have 10 days negotiating advantage.
But history will not be kind to that trade unfortunately. I get the idea of going for it. But...ugh
I don't even know if the expansion club would be allowed to pick him, but basically they would be doing so only for cap space. He'd still be a UFA with no strings on 7/1. In theory they'd have 10 days negotiating advantage.
at the deadline he'll be a short-term rental, how would he be more valuable then? they are unlikely to extend him, and he'll be a FA after the season. I like him, but I'm not giving up a ton for him.
Now if its Nash + Girardi for Fowler... I'm all in !
Fowler, Theodore, Silfverberg + cond 5th for Nash, 25% retained, Skapski, a cond 3rd, + 2 AHLers
2 AHLers could mean a promising player.
Shea Theodore would be a great add for a rebuild/retool. This looks too good in favor of the Rangers to be true.
If posting these rumors adds to frustration, kindly let me know. I am just sharing what I read on another site.
a) I will vomit if I ever have to root for anything other than Scott Hartnell getting the shit beat out of him
b) Rangers need to be adding to their forecheck, not using their best forechecker as an add-in.
This deal would be somewhat palatable in the context of a complete tear-down job. Doesn't fit in with a "re-tool" as it makes the NHL roster significantly worse without any substantial immediate cap relief.
I think the Rangers will dump a ton of salary, obtain some young talent, some draft picks and then sign Stamkos. In typical Rangers fashion, once we start enjoying the kids and see the holes the trade deadline will result in trading the kids away for costly veterans and the cycle continues.
There's no defending the Girardi and Staal contracts. Point conceded.
The Nash contract isn't half the albatross many fans would have you believe it is. He still brings a lot to the table and he'll be moved.
They have a handful of extremely high value contracts in McDonagh, Zuccarello, Brassard, and Klein. On the open market, that's probably somewhere between $20-25m worth of value that's costing the Rangers, what, somewhere between $15-17m of cap? (Didn't do the exact math, just spitballing there).
There are some really promising young players under control (Miller, Kreider, Hayes, Fast, Skjei, Buch).
Trading Stepan is hardly "selling the kids for the shiny". It would be liquidating a player who gets paid his full market value, avoiding another NMC, and replenishing some assets while likely also freeing up some money to term out some of the young RFAs.
The FO isn't without their share of significant mistakes, but by any large the organization has provided it's fans with a pretty darn good product for going on ten years. Yes, the cup is still missing.
I'm a little surprised by how overwhelmingly negative some of the outlooks are, even if everything isn't all sunshine and rainbows.
Great post, Hoya. I've been a vocal critic of some of the moves in recent years, but we should probably wait until the weekend/free agency to be critical (or optimistic).
I like Nash. He is 32 and slowing down, but still productive. Not at that contract, though.
I'd also add that Nash had a decent, not great, 2015 post-season and was good in 2016 (small sample size, obviously). He was awful in 2013 and 2014, though.
There's no defending the Girardi and Staal contracts. Point conceded.
The Nash contract isn't half the albatross many fans would have you believe it is. He still brings a lot to the table and he'll be moved.
They have a handful of extremely high value contracts in McDonagh, Zuccarello, Brassard, and Klein. On the open market, that's probably somewhere between $20-25m worth of value that's costing the Rangers, what, somewhere between $15-17m of cap? (Didn't do the exact math, just spitballing there).
There are some really promising young players under control (Miller, Kreider, Hayes, Fast, Skjei, Buch).
Trading Stepan is hardly "selling the kids for the shiny". It would be liquidating a player who gets paid his full market value, avoiding another NMC, and replenishing some assets while likely also freeing up some money to term out some of the young RFAs.
The FO isn't without their share of significant mistakes, but by any large the organization has provided it's fans with a pretty darn good product for going on ten years. Yes, the cup is still missing.
I'm a little surprised by how overwhelmingly negative some of the outlooks are, even if everything isn't all sunshine and rainbows.
do you think that the Rangers will have to eat significant money to move Nash for value?
He's due $8M & $8.2M the next two years.
I'm not saying they can't move him, I just think that for an OK return there will have to be salary retention.
Their biggest obstacles after they move some contracts will be:
1) lack of draft picks
2) when they DO have picks, they are later (due to success)
I think most of the guys that the Rangers want to move are moveable IF they waive the NTC and the Rangers retain salary. The flat cap leaves little wiggle room for other teams to maneuver.
Depends what the FO is keen on doing. If they want to go balls out on Stammer (note: I'm not necessarily advocating this) you accept the lower return from somebody who will take the whole contract. If they're focused on the pipeline, eat $2-3M of it and max out the value coming back.
At the end of the day, I think 2 years is actually a great remaining term for a trade. It's not a rental and it has huge upside, but it also isn't going to hurt anyone long term.
I think eating something like $2m could be a happy medium where you get some nice value while also freeing up $5m.
It's heavily dependent on the trading partner though. Maybe you don't need to retain, but you effectively do so in taking back a contract that the other trading partner doesn't love.
they tried for Fleury, but apparently the Pens are asking a kings ransom.
Any word on what CGY would be sending back?
Depends what the FO is keen on doing. If they want to go balls out on Stammer (note: I'm not necessarily advocating this) you accept the lower return from somebody who will take the whole contract. If they're focused on the pipeline, eat $2-3M of it and max out the value coming back.
At the end of the day, I think 2 years is actually a great remaining term for a trade. It's not a rental and it has huge upside, but it also isn't going to hurt anyone long term.
I think eating something like $2m could be a happy medium where you get some nice value while also freeing up $5m.
It's heavily dependent on the trading partner though. Maybe you don't need to retain, but you effectively do so in taking back a contract that the other trading partner doesn't love.
I agree with everything here, basically.
It's a tough decision for a team, with the cap not going up. He scored 15 goals this year. The year before? 42.
I actually think his greatest trade value will be when the available players are taken (Lucic, Stamkos and company) and a team still needs a scorer. Then it's worth the gamble.