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After trade talks with Giants fell through, Ravens released OT Eugene Monroe, per sources. Now free agent. NYG, SD, SEA could have interest.
isn't anything better than nothing? If trade talks fell through then does that mean the Giants were not willing to give up anything for him? Because even a conditional 7th rounder would have been better than straight out releasing him, right?
isn't anything better than nothing? If trade talks fell through then does that mean the Giants were not willing to give up anything for him? Because even a conditional 7th rounder would have been better than straight out releasing him, right?
They may have asked for more. Still doesn't address why they'd release him for nothing
isn't anything better than nothing? If trade talks fell through then does that mean the Giants were not willing to give up anything for him? Because even a conditional 7th rounder would have been better than straight out releasing him, right?
They may have asked for more. Still doesn't address why they'd release him for nothing
Exactly, if you want more and don't get it, isn't it better to accept something instead of simply releasing him for nothing? Only thing that makes sense is that the Giants pulled whatever they originally offered.
isn't anything better than nothing? If trade talks fell through then does that mean the Giants were not willing to give up anything for him? Because even a conditional 7th rounder would have been better than straight out releasing him, right?
They may have asked for more. Still doesn't address why they'd release him for nothing
Maybe the Giants were only offering a bag of balls and an autographed helment
Tough call here. Quality player when healthy, but has only played a full season once and has missed a ton of time the last two years. It really comes down to cost (especially guarantees) and fit - since he has primarily played left tackle.
I wouldn't have figured the Giants would take a chance on
a player who fancies himself a political activist for legalizing pot. Surprised to hear there's legit interest there.
As I said yesterday, he's not a guy who got busted for pot. He is trying to make a case to the NFL for allowing it to help with injuries. He's not being a troublemaker or rebellious, rather his approach seems quite mature and is being offered through the proper channels..I don't think this would be a problem for the Giants at all, imv
Maybe the Ravens wanted to high of a draft pick. It's better this way. Eugene collects whatever dead money he had on his contract. We can renegotiate a salary and if needed out bid for him. Also, we don't give away a draft pick.
The biggest question is his health. That's a lot of missed games for the past two years. If he's healthy, there's no doubt he's better than Newhouse because....well, frankly, he couldn't be worse.
Monroe is also a local product and will be a nice veteran on a young O-Line.
Eugene collects whatever dead money he had on his contract. We can renegotiate a salary and if needed out bid for him. Also, we don't give away a draft pick.
Eugene already collected the "dead money", that's why it's dead money.
for the next two years (if any exists) also count as dead money? For instance if Miami cuts Suh I dont think the only dead money on their cap would be the signing bonus, rather I am pretty sure the guaranteed salary for this year and next would be "dead money" that they have to pay him.
So he has apparently miissed half his games due to injury, but what I cannot find is how he performed when healthy and the nature of the injuries. An OL with certain injuries could be of little value.
Eugene Christopher Monroe (born April 18, 1987) is an American football offensive tackle who is currently a member of the New York Giants . He was selected eighth overall by the Jacksonville Jaguars in the 2009 NFL Draft. He played college football at Virginia.
Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Hart-Monroe?.. I could dig that
Unfortunately Hart has been playing strictly RT all spring not RG meaning John Jerry is still projected to start
I don't know why "unfortunately". Maybe you should write that "he unfortunately is not better than Jerry and therefore can't supplant him". Why would anyone want to put a lesser player in simply because they don't like the one that is currently the better talented in the coaches' eyes?
Is the total number of games missed by Monroe in his career. In 6 seasons, that's two and a half a year.
13.5 games/season is his average, including missing 10 last year. He shouldn't be a huge worry to miss games anymore than anyone else. Even Newhouse missed 4 games in the last three years.
as was suggested above - while it may make sense, the reports I've seen have had him practicing at RT and LG.
If the Giants were trying to trade for Monroe it reinforces the idea that they don't see Hart as ready to compete for the starting RT position, and if he was practicing at LG he may not be their first choice as a backup RG either.
Looks like Hart is pegged as a reserve-level player at best right now by the coaching staff, and that they are possibly still trying to figure out what his best position might be.
I don't necessarily disagree with Monroe's position. Opiates don't seem like a smart way to treat pain.
The reason it scares me is that he's obviously concerned about dealing with chronic pain. Not sure I'd invest too much in a player who is too concerned about that - could be nothing but could also mean he's nicked up and his injury history suggests he's not the type to play through pain a la Flowers.
didn't at least trade him, and get something, anything for him.....he is already costing them 6M in dead cap space....
Giants would have been crazy to assume the deal he had......If the hold up was a renegotiated contract with the Giants, why would he come here now? He has the Giants offer for a baseline and will shop himself around.....but an even bigger question is, what were the injuries that he lost playing time from....he is also 29.....
Personally sounds like a good idea to me, especially with Pugh prepped to backup LT. Don't think the Giants agree with the assessment though. Would love to get some honest feedback from Solari on his first impressions with Flowers et al.
didn't at least trade him, and get something, anything for him.....he is already costing them 6M in dead cap space....
Giants would have been crazy to assume the deal he had......If the hold up was a renegotiated contract with the Giants, why would he come here now? He has the Giants offer for a baseline and will shop himself around.....but an even bigger question is, what were the injuries that he lost playing time from....he is also 29.....
2015:Concussion took him out for 4 weeks, Shoulder surgery in week 11 requiring injured reserve
2014: a 5-game knee injury, and an ankle injury late in 2014 as well
If we sign him it will be with a contract that doesn't effect us long term. So if he gets hurt we are at the same place we are today & if he doesn't we have a massive upgrade on the OL. There aren't any better options out there.
At best he beats out either Flowers at LT and Flowers is moved to RT (not likely, imo) or beats out Newhouse at RT, and we have Newhouse to back up both OT positions, which he was brought here for originally.
Hoping we land him...he's gotta be better than Stingily and the other dreck we have at OT currently.
Forget him only being better then Stingily. The minute he's signed he's the best OT on our roster. Obviously Flowers should be improved from last year, but Monroe is a damn good OT.
I checked in on this with my source and he said there is interest and that the issue will be $$$. Monroe thinks he is an all pro and should be paid as one and the Giants see him as much closer to a guy who needs to take a short 1 or 2 year deal with little guaranteed.
Then again this same source told me that the Giants were going to take Myles Jack at 10 because his knee checked out so take it with a grain of salt.
Forget him only being better then Stingily. The minute he's signed he's the best OT on our roster. Obviously Flowers should be improved from last year, but Monroe is a damn good OT.
Rick, that's likely true. But I don't think the team is going to move Flowers to RT, and if not we won't fully utilize Monroe's talent...'cause he's a LT.
I understand why the Giants did not want to sign a LT like Penn or Okung to a longterm contract.
But Monroe presumably will get a 1 or 2 year deal. Or a longer deal that allows him to be released after 2 years without huge cap implications.
A lot of LTs started out playing RT. I think Pettigout did that on the Giants. Diehl was a guard before moving to LT.
Well, if that is the case then I think management fucked up because we had 2 better LT players that were supposedly being asked to move to RT so we can keep Flowers at LT. If we change that now it means they messed up.
It's possible that Monroe declined any and all contract re-negotiation offers from NYG because he didn't want to go to a team where he'd have to compete to start at his position of choice.
Monroe has more ability than our current roster options...
The OL depth either replacing Newhouse or as a backup swing tackle. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking he is part of the long term solution. I've resigned myself to the fact Newhouse and Jerry will be the right side of the line and just hope we can make some more improvements next off season
but we have a weakness on that right side. I really can't imagine its a fatal weakness, meaning Giants cannot deal with it, but is it worth "waiting and seeing?"...
as Washington state allows recreational pot. I just got back from a holiday at Mt Rainier and the Olympic National parks and one sees the shops along the highway. This is not a minor issue to the young man.
didn't at least trade him, and get something, anything for him.....he is already costing them 6M in dead cap space....
Giants would have been crazy to assume the deal he had......If the hold up was a renegotiated contract with the Giants, why would he come here now? He has the Giants offer for a baseline and will shop himself around.....but an even bigger question is, what were the injuries that he lost playing time from....he is also 29.....
The OP says the trade fell through. Why does everyone assume the Giants offered something and the Ravens turned them down. Maybe the Ravens offered and nobody responded, so they released him.
as Washington state allows recreational pot. I just got back from a holiday at Mt Rainier and the Olympic National parks and one sees the shops along the highway. This is not a minor issue to the young man.
Wrong. Remember the NFL randomly tests for Marijuana and don't you think that he will be on their radar based on his stance?
He can live anywhere he wants in the off-season if he wants like every other player does.
This myth that broncos and Seahawks can smoke weed without facing NFL discipline isnt true.
If we sign him it will be with a contract that doesn't effect us long term. So if he gets hurt we are at the same place we are today & if he doesn't we have a massive upgrade on the OL. There aren't any better options out there.
I agree with this. I don't see the downside if he's signed to a team friendly deal (he would be). He's better than Newhouse and if he gets hurt the Giants are in the same position they're in now.
as Washington state allows recreational pot. I just got back from a holiday at Mt Rainier and the Olympic National parks and one sees the shops along the highway. This is not a minor issue to the young man.
He's better than Newhouse because he's better. That bit of somplistic doggerel might not be so.
David Diehl, Ohara and Suey were not great players, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts and continuity can't be underestimated when you're talking about an offensive line. The more talented guy who is new might not be as effective.
Balt. is a "win now" team with a top QB and Front office. You don't let a rare commodity like a good OLT go for no reason....see Will Beatty.
We can do whatever we want with him if he signs here. If he makes more than Newhouse but isn't healthy or can't beat him out in camp, then he's the backup.
After trade talks with Giants fell through, Ravens released OT Eugene Monroe, per sources. Now free agent. NYG, SD, SEA could have interest.
He's 29 and a 7 year vet..No waivers
They may have asked for more. Still doesn't address why they'd release him for nothing
The #Ravens are releasing OT Eugene Monroe, source said. He couldn't reach an agreement on salary. Keep an eye on the #Giants....
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isn't anything better than nothing? If trade talks fell through then does that mean the Giants were not willing to give up anything for him? Because even a conditional 7th rounder would have been better than straight out releasing him, right?
They may have asked for more. Still doesn't address why they'd release him for nothing
Exactly, if you want more and don't get it, isn't it better to accept something instead of simply releasing him for nothing? Only thing that makes sense is that the Giants pulled whatever they originally offered.
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isn't anything better than nothing? If trade talks fell through then does that mean the Giants were not willing to give up anything for him? Because even a conditional 7th rounder would have been better than straight out releasing him, right?
They may have asked for more. Still doesn't address why they'd release him for nothing
The #Ravens are releasing OT Eugene Monroe, source said. He couldn't reach an agreement on salary. Keep an eye on the #Giants....
That's interesting. Giants probably were only willing to trade if they could agree on a restructured contract. Makes more sense now.
No, because I believe he said it was a west coast thing(implying Davis I believe)and the poster wasn't an asshat just a previously banned troll.
That's what I was thinking. Maybe he wasn't as bad as we all thought.
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last week's asshat said would go down by week's end?
That's what I was thinking. Maybe he wasn't as bad as we all thought.
Am told there's "definitely a possibility" of OT Eugene Monroe-NYG union. @AdamSchefter reported NYG-BAL trade talks before Monroe released.
Over Marshall Newhouse? Yes.
Lol no. Try Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Jerry-Monroe
Seriously??
Source: Giants didn't want to trade an asset AND take on Eugene Monroe's contract. Will have interest once he's cut.
Still had 3 years at $20 million left
2016 - $6.5 million
2017 - $6.75 million
2018 - $6.75 million
Maybe Giants didn't trade for him because they felt they could negotiate a better contract when he became a free agent?
http://deadspin.com/ravens-want-to-unload-marijuana-advocate-eugene-monroe-1782034748
Source: Giants didn't want to trade an asset AND take on Eugene Monroe's contract. Will have interest once he's cut.
Yep, as we thought. Only thing that made sense.
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I'm glad to see the giants don't view Marshall Newhouse as a starter, because he isn't one. He is good depth.
Tough call here. Quality player when healthy, but has only played a full season once and has missed a ton of time the last two years. It really comes down to cost (especially guarantees) and fit - since he has primarily played left tackle.
As I said yesterday, he's not a guy who got busted for pot. He is trying to make a case to the NFL for allowing it to help with injuries. He's not being a troublemaker or rebellious, rather his approach seems quite mature and is being offered through the proper channels..I don't think this would be a problem for the Giants at all, imv
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The #Ravens are releasing OT Eugene Monroe, source said. He couldn't reach an agreement on salary. Keep an eye on the #Giants....
That's interesting. Giants probably were only willing to trade if they could agree on a restructured contract. Makes more sense now.
I think thats it. No harm in taking a look see. We could use the depth anyway.
Last thing we need is too many tackles...
Monroe is also a local product and will be a nice veteran on a young O-Line.
Eugene already collected the "dead money", that's why it's dead money.
Unfortunately Hart has been playing strictly RT all spring not RG meaning John Jerry is still projected to start
If you can play LT you can play RT, sure.
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Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Hart-Monroe?.. I could dig that
Unfortunately Hart has been playing strictly RT all spring not RG meaning John Jerry is still projected to start
You're the second person who has had trouble reading the numbers.
The true numbers are 6, 11, 15 and 16 for the last four years (counting backwards). He was traded during 2013.
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in the last 4 years. Played 4, 11, 11, and 6 games. Yikes. 32 of 64.
You're the second person who has had trouble reading the numbers.
The true numbers are 6, 11, 15 and 16 for the last four years (counting backwards). He was traded during 2013.
Stand corrected. 17 of his last 32 then?
13.5 games/season is his average, including missing 10 last year. He shouldn't be a huge worry to miss games anymore than anyone else. Even Newhouse missed 4 games in the last three years.
If the Giants were trying to trade for Monroe it reinforces the idea that they don't see Hart as ready to compete for the starting RT position, and if he was practicing at LG he may not be their first choice as a backup RG either.
Looks like Hart is pegged as a reserve-level player at best right now by the coaching staff, and that they are possibly still trying to figure out what his best position might be.
Yes, knee issue in 2014, shoulder in 2015, I believe.
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in the last 4 years. Played 4, 11, 11, and 6 games. Yikes. 32 of 64.
You're the second person who has had trouble reading the numbers.
The true numbers are 6, 11, 15 and 16 for the last four years (counting backwards). He was traded during 2013.
Stand corrected. 17 of his last 32 then?
If you're looking to make it look like we're interested in a guy who just misses games: he's missed 15 games in the last two years.
Try that one.
The reason it scares me is that he's obviously concerned about dealing with chronic pain. Not sure I'd invest too much in a player who is too concerned about that - could be nothing but could also mean he's nicked up and his injury history suggests he's not the type to play through pain a la Flowers.
Giants would have been crazy to assume the deal he had......If the hold up was a renegotiated contract with the Giants, why would he come here now? He has the Giants offer for a baseline and will shop himself around.....but an even bigger question is, what were the injuries that he lost playing time from....he is also 29.....
Personally sounds like a good idea to me, especially with Pugh prepped to backup LT. Don't think the Giants agree with the assessment though. Would love to get some honest feedback from Solari on his first impressions with Flowers et al.
This^^^^...may not be an improvement over MN based on MN stays on field
Seriously JR should've renegotiated with Beatty and moved Flowers to RT. I hate the Beatty hate. Beatty handled the situation bad too but ...
Giants would have been crazy to assume the deal he had......If the hold up was a renegotiated contract with the Giants, why would he come here now? He has the Giants offer for a baseline and will shop himself around.....but an even bigger question is, what were the injuries that he lost playing time from....he is also 29.....
2015:Concussion took him out for 4 weeks, Shoulder surgery in week 11 requiring injured reserve
2014: a 5-game knee injury, and an ankle injury late in 2014 as well
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Missed 15 games the past two seasons.
This^^^^...may not be an improvement over MN based on MN stays on field
Poor logic. If He gets hurt after 8 games I'd rather have him for 8 and Newhouse for 8 than Newhouse for 16
Hoping we land him...he's gotta be better than Stingily and the other dreck we have at OT currently.
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Missed 15 games the past two seasons.
This^^^^...may not be an improvement over MN based on MN stays on field
Poor logic. If He gets hurt after 8 games I'd rather have him for 8 and Newhouse for 8 than Newhouse for 16
OR it could be NH for 16 Monroe 0
I checked in on this with my source and he said there is interest and that the issue will be $$$. Monroe thinks he is an all pro and should be paid as one and the Giants see him as much closer to a guy who needs to take a short 1 or 2 year deal with little guaranteed.
Then again this same source told me that the Giants were going to take Myles Jack at 10 because his knee checked out so take it with a grain of salt.
Rick, that's likely true. But I don't think the team is going to move Flowers to RT, and if not we won't fully utilize Monroe's talent...'cause he's a LT.
I'd be slightly pissed if Beatty has a better season.
But Monroe presumably will get a 1 or 2 year deal. Or a longer deal that allows him to be released after 2 years without huge cap implications.
A lot of LTs started out playing RT. I think Pettigout did that on the Giants. Diehl was a guard before moving to LT.
But Monroe presumably will get a 1 or 2 year deal. Or a longer deal that allows him to be released after 2 years without huge cap implications.
A lot of LTs started out playing RT. I think Pettigout did that on the Giants. Diehl was a guard before moving to LT.
Well, if that is the case then I think management fucked up because we had 2 better LT players that were supposedly being asked to move to RT so we can keep Flowers at LT. If we change that now it means they messed up.
For comparison Flowers was rated as their 65th OT & Newhouse was their 71st ranked OT.
Giants would have been crazy to assume the deal he had......If the hold up was a renegotiated contract with the Giants, why would he come here now? He has the Giants offer for a baseline and will shop himself around.....but an even bigger question is, what were the injuries that he lost playing time from....he is also 29.....
The OP says the trade fell through. Why does everyone assume the Giants offered something and the Ravens turned them down. Maybe the Ravens offered and nobody responded, so they released him.
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Good player? Would this be a clear upgrade?
Over Marshall Newhouse? Yes.
Wrong. Remember the NFL randomly tests for Marijuana and don't you think that he will be on their radar based on his stance?
He can live anywhere he wants in the off-season if he wants like every other player does.
This myth that broncos and Seahawks can smoke weed without facing NFL discipline isnt true.
I agree with this. I don't see the downside if he's signed to a team friendly deal (he would be). He's better than Newhouse and if he gets hurt the Giants are in the same position they're in now.
For comparison Flowers was rated as their 65th OT & Newhouse was their 71st ranked OT.
I wouldn't have gone out of my way to mention PFF but, since you did, the statement re Flowers is not accurate. PFF had him ranked dead last (76th).
"Dud: . . . Ereck Flowers didnt provide the immediate upgrade the [Giants] had hoped for, and was our lowest-graded tackle on the year."
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if they view him as a backup, the still may badly want him, but if someone offers him a starters job and/or starter money, he'll probably go there.
if they view him as a backup, the still may badly want him, but if someone offers him a starters job and/or starter money, he'll probably go there.
If the Giants sign him he'll make more money than Newhouse. Is that starter money?
Doesn't make sense.
We let Beatty go because he was oft injured and didn't want to move to RT.
We passed or lost out on younger players with out a significant injury history because we didn't want move Flowers to RT.
So to move Flowers to RT now? Hope not.
Derrrrrrrrrrp....
Me fail English? That's unpossible!
At least Monroe actually wants to play football and actually did last year.
The question is would he be a cost-friendly improvement over Newhouse (even if they're not playing the same position, if you're bumping Flowers over).
I suspect the answer is yes.
David Diehl, Ohara and Suey were not great players, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts and continuity can't be underestimated when you're talking about an offensive line. The more talented guy who is new might not be as effective.
Balt. is a "win now" team with a top QB and Front office. You don't let a rare commodity like a good OLT go for no reason....see Will Beatty.
If this OL has a higher ceiling with Monroe at LT and Flowers sliding over to RT and the price for Monroe winds up being reasonable, you do it.
If this OL has a higher ceiling with Monroe at LT and Flowers sliding over to RT and the price for Monroe winds up being reasonable, you do it.
Ok John Schmeelk