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Eugene Monroe released.

OBJ31 : 6/15/2016 3:31 pm
After trade talks with Giants fell through, Ravens released OT Eugene Monroe, per sources. Now free agent. NYG, SD, SEA could have interest.
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Shouldn't we all wait until Area Junc gives us an update  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2016 4:21 pm : link
on Anthony Davis before we go out and try and grab Monroe?

Last thing we need is too many tackles...
Doesn't mean the salary was the issue  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/15/2016 4:22 pm : link
Maybe the Ravens wanted to high of a draft pick. It's better this way. Eugene collects whatever dead money he had on his contract. We can renegotiate a salary and if needed out bid for him. Also, we don't give away a draft pick.
If it's a team friendly deal, I can dig it  
Anakim : 6/15/2016 4:30 pm : link
The biggest question is his health. That's a lot of missed games for the past two years. If he's healthy, there's no doubt he's better than Newhouse because....well, frankly, he couldn't be worse.


Monroe is also a local product and will be a nice veteran on a young O-Line.
RE: Doesn't mean the salary was the issue  
YAJ2112 : 6/15/2016 4:31 pm : link
In comment 12995416 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Eugene collects whatever dead money he had on his contract. We can renegotiate a salary and if needed out bid for him. Also, we don't give away a draft pick.


Eugene already collected the "dead money", that's why it's dead money.
RE: Giants have alot more cap than Den or Sea.  
Beer Man : 6/15/2016 4:31 pm : link
In comment 12995375 OBJ31 said:
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File this away: per OTC, Denver has $4,627,546 in cap space; Seattle has $9,595,724. Giants have $18,238,767.
Well the Giants also don't want to be foolish. This is another injury plagued player, so they will want a cap friendly contract.
He's missed half of his games  
BillT : 6/15/2016 4:35 pm : link
in the last 4 years. Played 4, 11, 11, and 6 games. Yikes. 32 of 64.
YAJ wouldnt guarenteed salary  
bhill410 : 6/15/2016 4:39 pm : link
for the next two years (if any exists) also count as dead money? For instance if Miami cuts Suh I dont think the only dead money on their cap would be the signing bonus, rather I am pretty sure the guaranteed salary for this year and next would be "dead money" that they have to pay him.
Can he/has he played RT?  
drkenneth : 6/15/2016 4:41 pm : link
?
RE: Assuming this happens...  
est1986 : 6/15/2016 4:46 pm : link
In comment 12995333 OBJ31 said:
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Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Hart-Monroe?.. I could dig that


Unfortunately Hart has been playing strictly RT all spring not RG meaning John Jerry is still projected to start
RE: Can he/has he played RT?  
est1986 : 6/15/2016 4:46 pm : link
In comment 12995449 drkenneth said:
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If you can play LT you can play RT, sure.
Performance?  
Jeffrey : 6/15/2016 4:46 pm : link
So he has apparently miissed half his games due to injury, but what I cannot find is how he performed when healthy and the nature of the injuries. An OL with certain injuries could be of little value.
Wikipedia is jumping the gun  
crackerjack465 : 6/15/2016 4:56 pm : link
Eugene Christopher Monroe (born April 18, 1987) is an American football offensive tackle who is currently a member of the New York Giants . He was selected eighth overall by the Jacksonville Jaguars in the 2009 NFL Draft. He played college football at Virginia.
RE: RE: Assuming this happens...  
Bill L : 6/15/2016 4:57 pm : link
In comment 12995458 est1986 said:
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In comment 12995333 OBJ31 said:


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Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Hart-Monroe?.. I could dig that



Unfortunately Hart has been playing strictly RT all spring not RG meaning John Jerry is still projected to start
I don't know why "unfortunately". Maybe you should write that "he unfortunately is not better than Jerry and therefore can't supplant him". Why would anyone want to put a lesser player in simply because they don't like the one that is currently the better talented in the coaches' eyes?
One more off-season update from hitdog  
Brandon Walsh : 6/15/2016 4:58 pm : link
would be great right now.

RE: He's missed half of his games [No]  
shyster : 6/15/2016 5:01 pm : link
In comment 12995436 BillT said:
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in the last 4 years. Played 4, 11, 11, and 6 games. Yikes. 32 of 64.


You're the second person who has had trouble reading the numbers.

The true numbers are 6, 11, 15 and 16 for the last four years (counting backwards). He was traded during 2013.
RE: RE: He's missed half of his games [No]  
BillT : 6/15/2016 5:05 pm : link
In comment 12995479 shyster said:
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In comment 12995436 BillT said:


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in the last 4 years. Played 4, 11, 11, and 6 games. Yikes. 32 of 64.



You're the second person who has had trouble reading the numbers.

The true numbers are 6, 11, 15 and 16 for the last four years (counting backwards). He was traded during 2013.

Stand corrected. 17 of his last 32 then?
19 games  
adamg : 6/15/2016 5:07 pm : link
Is the total number of games missed by Monroe in his career. In 6 seasons, that's two and a half a year.

13.5 games/season is his average, including missing 10 last year. He shouldn't be a huge worry to miss games anymore than anyone else. Even Newhouse missed 4 games in the last three years.
sounds  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/15/2016 5:07 pm : link
like Will Beatty...athletic left whose passion and toughness have been questioned.
Hart playing RG...  
Dan in the Springs : 6/15/2016 5:08 pm : link
as was suggested above - while it may make sense, the reports I've seen have had him practicing at RT and LG.

If the Giants were trying to trade for Monroe it reinforces the idea that they don't see Hart as ready to compete for the starting RT position, and if he was practicing at LG he may not be their first choice as a backup RG either.

Looks like Hart is pegged as a reserve-level player at best right now by the coaching staff, and that they are possibly still trying to figure out what his best position might be.
RE: RE: RE: He's missed half of his games [No]  
shyster : 6/15/2016 5:08 pm : link
In comment 12995481 BillT said:
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17 of his last 32 then?


Yes, knee issue in 2014, shoulder in 2015, I believe.
RE: RE: RE: He's missed half of his games [No]  
adamg : 6/15/2016 5:09 pm : link
In comment 12995481 BillT said:
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In comment 12995436 BillT said:


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in the last 4 years. Played 4, 11, 11, and 6 games. Yikes. 32 of 64.



You're the second person who has had trouble reading the numbers.

The true numbers are 6, 11, 15 and 16 for the last four years (counting backwards). He was traded during 2013.


Stand corrected. 17 of his last 32 then?


If you're looking to make it look like we're interested in a guy who just misses games: he's missed 15 games in the last two years.

Try that one.
Re: MJ/pain management...  
Dan in the Springs : 6/15/2016 5:10 pm : link
I don't necessarily disagree with Monroe's position. Opiates don't seem like a smart way to treat pain.

The reason it scares me is that he's obviously concerned about dealing with chronic pain. Not sure I'd invest too much in a player who is too concerned about that - could be nothing but could also mean he's nicked up and his injury history suggests he's not the type to play through pain a la Flowers.
Yes, it doesn't make sense that the Ravens  
Doomster : 6/15/2016 5:11 pm : link
didn't at least trade him, and get something, anything for him.....he is already costing them 6M in dead cap space....

Giants would have been crazy to assume the deal he had......If the hold up was a renegotiated contract with the Giants, why would he come here now? He has the Giants offer for a baseline and will shop himself around.....but an even bigger question is, what were the injuries that he lost playing time from....he is also 29.....
RE: sounds  
Beer Man : 6/15/2016 5:12 pm : link
In comment 12995483 Eric from BBI said:
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like Will Beatty...athletic left whose passion and toughness have been questioned.
That's what I was thinking
Monroe at LT  
XBRONX : 6/15/2016 5:13 pm : link
Flowers to RT
The last two seasons were the ones that he missed  
Ira : 6/15/2016 5:14 pm : link
more than one game per season.
He's a serious upgrade over Newhouse.  
Ira : 6/15/2016 5:18 pm : link
Please get this done.
RE: Monroe at LT  
Dan in the Springs : 6/15/2016 5:18 pm : link
In comment 12995492 XBRONX said:
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Flowers to RT


Personally sounds like a good idea to me, especially with Pugh prepped to backup LT. Don't think the Giants agree with the assessment though. Would love to get some honest feedback from Solari on his first impressions with Flowers et al.
RE: How is his health?  
micky : 6/15/2016 5:19 pm : link
In comment 12995376 ChathamMark said:
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Missed 15 games the past two seasons.



This^^^^...may not be an improvement over MN based on MN stays on field
RE: sounds  
Mason : 6/15/2016 5:22 pm : link
In comment 12995483 Eric from BBI said:
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like Will Beatty...athletic left whose passion and toughness have been questioned.


Seriously JR should've renegotiated with Beatty and moved Flowers to RT. I hate the Beatty hate. Beatty handled the situation bad too but ...
RE: Yes, it doesn't make sense that the Ravens  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/15/2016 5:26 pm : link
In comment 12995489 Doomster said:
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didn't at least trade him, and get something, anything for him.....he is already costing them 6M in dead cap space....

Giants would have been crazy to assume the deal he had......If the hold up was a renegotiated contract with the Giants, why would he come here now? He has the Giants offer for a baseline and will shop himself around.....but an even bigger question is, what were the injuries that he lost playing time from....he is also 29.....


2015:Concussion took him out for 4 weeks, Shoulder surgery in week 11 requiring injured reserve

2014: a 5-game knee injury, and an ankle injury late in 2014 as well
RE: RE: How is his health?  
Old Dirty Beckham : 6/15/2016 5:29 pm : link
In comment 12995505 micky said:
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Missed 15 games the past two seasons.




This^^^^...may not be an improvement over MN based on MN stays on field


Poor logic. If He gets hurt after 8 games I'd rather have him for 8 and Newhouse for 8 than Newhouse for 16
Who cares if he has an injury history?  
Big Rick in FL : 6/15/2016 5:48 pm : link
If we sign him it will be with a contract that doesn't effect us long term. So if he gets hurt we are at the same place we are today & if he doesn't we have a massive upgrade on the OL. There aren't any better options out there.
At worst he's a good backup OT.  
yatqb : 6/15/2016 5:54 pm : link
At best he beats out either Flowers at LT and Flowers is moved to RT (not likely, imo) or beats out Newhouse at RT, and we have Newhouse to back up both OT positions, which he was brought here for originally.

Hoping we land him...he's gotta be better than Stingily and the other dreck we have at OT currently.

At this stage  
Peppers : 6/15/2016 5:55 pm : link
There isn't going to be a better option to upgrade the OL. Now's not the time to be picky, we should be all over this.
I wonder if the various  
Matt in SGS : 6/15/2016 5:59 pm : link
leaks on here might also be in place to motivate the Niners to reopen any potential trade talks for Davis.
RE: RE: RE: How is his health?  
micky : 6/15/2016 6:09 pm : link
In comment 12995525 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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Missed 15 games the past two seasons.




This^^^^...may not be an improvement over MN based on MN stays on field



Poor logic. If He gets hurt after 8 games I'd rather have him for 8 and Newhouse for 8 than Newhouse for 16


OR it could be NH for 16 Monroe 0
Yat  
Big Rick in FL : 6/15/2016 6:11 pm : link
Forget him only being better then Stingily. The minute he's signed he's the best OT on our roster. Obviously Flowers should be improved from last year, but Monroe is a damn good OT.
wait for Davis  
gtt350 : 6/15/2016 6:14 pm : link
.
Monroe!!!  
ThatLimerickGuy : 6/15/2016 6:21 pm : link


I checked in on this with my source and he said there is interest and that the issue will be $$$. Monroe thinks he is an all pro and should be paid as one and the Giants see him as much closer to a guy who needs to take a short 1 or 2 year deal with little guaranteed.

Then again this same source told me that the Giants were going to take Myles Jack at 10 because his knee checked out so take it with a grain of salt.
RE: Yat  
yatqb : 6/15/2016 6:27 pm : link
In comment 12995561 Big Rick in FL said:
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Forget him only being better then Stingily. The minute he's signed he's the best OT on our roster. Obviously Flowers should be improved from last year, but Monroe is a damn good OT.


Rick, that's likely true. But I don't think the team is going to move Flowers to RT, and if not we won't fully utilize Monroe's talent...'cause he's a LT.
It would be good to have options  
phil in arizona : 6/15/2016 6:30 pm : link
It would allow Pugh to stay at LG if Flowers goes down or he doesn't progress as we'd like.

I'd be slightly pissed if Beatty has a better season.
He has to demonstrate that he's anywhere near the player he was  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/15/2016 6:37 pm : link
before the shoulder surgery and the other injuries. Nobody's paying all-pro prices for a guy that hasn't played much.
Flowers is not moving to RT  
ZogZerg : 6/15/2016 6:39 pm : link
NoT a chance.
There is nothing wrong with moving Flowers to RT for a year or two  
Vanzetti : 6/15/2016 6:48 pm : link
I understand why the Giants did not want to sign a LT like Penn or Okung to a longterm contract.

But Monroe presumably will get a 1 or 2 year deal. Or a longer deal that allows him to be released after 2 years without huge cap implications.

A lot of LTs started out playing RT. I think Pettigout did that on the Giants. Diehl was a guard before moving to LT.
RE: There is nothing wrong with moving Flowers to RT for a year or two  
robbieballs2003 : 6/15/2016 7:19 pm : link
In comment 12995583 Vanzetti said:
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I understand why the Giants did not want to sign a LT like Penn or Okung to a longterm contract.

But Monroe presumably will get a 1 or 2 year deal. Or a longer deal that allows him to be released after 2 years without huge cap implications.

A lot of LTs started out playing RT. I think Pettigout did that on the Giants. Diehl was a guard before moving to LT.


Well, if that is the case then I think management fucked up because we had 2 better LT players that were supposedly being asked to move to RT so we can keep Flowers at LT. If we change that now it means they messed up.
He was PFF  
Big Rick in FL : 6/15/2016 7:53 pm : link
23rd rated OT last year. An article I read said he would have been higher if he played more games.


For comparison Flowers was rated as their 65th OT & Newhouse was their 71st ranked OT.
Wild-ass guess:  
Enoch : 6/15/2016 8:01 pm : link
It's possible that Monroe declined any and all contract re-negotiation offers from NYG because he didn't want to go to a team where he'd have to compete to start at his position of choice.
Monroe has more ability than our current roster options...  
Torrag : 6/15/2016 8:10 pm : link
...but he's an oft injured locker room lawyer. So it's far from a 'no-brainer'.
I think he would bolster  
Reb8thVA : 6/15/2016 8:16 pm : link
The OL depth either replacing Newhouse or as a backup swing tackle. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking he is part of the long term solution. I've resigned myself to the fact Newhouse and Jerry will be the right side of the line and just hope we can make some more improvements next off season
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