Dan Graziano
The Giants have been in contact with Eugene Monroe's agent since Monroe's release Wednesday and remain interested in signing the veteran tackle. Monroe's plan as of now is to take a couple of days to assess other interest and the potentially schedule a visit or two early next week. Monroe would prefer to play left tackle, but would be willing to play right tackle if that's the opportunity. The Giants likely would use him at right tackle due to the presence of 2015 first-round pick Ereck Flowers at left, but that would have to be sorted out in camp. |
Roughly $9.5m under, which is almost certainly enough to sign him.
T. Smith started at RT and then moved - he never had to switch back and forth.
Couldn't be further from the reality of the Beatty situation...
Huh? They put him at LT right out of the gates. He didn't play RT at all.
If we were desperate we would have thrown more money at Okung or elsewhere during FA.. or given up assets to make sure we got Monroe yesterday.
It appears we are anything but desperate.
Literally the first thing reported about his release was that the Giants did not want to give up any picks or players to acquire him. Doesn't seem very desperate.
Often times players do better in new surroundings. Beatty absolutely needs that and maybe Monroe does too.
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The staff is so set on keeping Flowers at right.
Huh? They put him at LT right out of the gates. He didn't play RT at all.
He moved there out of team necessity, not because that was his best fit.
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The staff is so set on keeping Flowers at right.
Huh? They put him at LT right out of the gates. He didn't play RT at all.
He moved there out of team necessity, not because that was his best fit.
This makes no sense. They didn't draft Flowers to be the RT. They drafted him to be the LT. Ideally they probably would have played him at RT first like Dallas did with TSmith but there's zero indication that the Giants are "so set" on "keeping" Flowers at RT. Not sure how you keep him there when he hasn't even played there.
It's pretty obvious they see him as the LT long-term. If they feel the line would be better overall for the next year or two by signing Monroe and putting Flowers at RT for the time being, it doesn't mean they don't still want him at LT down the road.
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Monroe and Beatty are two very similar players and both have had their share of injuries. I know the Giants got sick and tired of Beatty's BS and Monroe appears to be the same type of guy with those same warts. Could he be a decent player for us - yes, but at what cost? Would they play Monroe at RT? I suppose they could, but it would not help the running game to the right IMO. He is certainly an upgrade at tackle and I guess the Giants will sort out the line if and when he comes. I have mixed thoughts on this one.
Literally the first thing reported about his release was that the Giants did not want to give up any picks or players to acquire him. Doesn't seem very desperate.
Perhaps not desperate, but they called and inquired about a trade for him. Now that he's officially a Free Agent we'll see how much the Giants are willing to pay to get him.
Monroe is better suited to left tackle but so is Newhouse (as a backup). Monroe is still an upgrade at RT without disrupting too much continuity.
Matt in SGS pointed out yesterday that this may force the hand of the 49ers. Davis is younger a better fit at RT but does have some of the injury/motivation concerns.
The good thing is that Monroe got released and even if signed by someone else, that fills a hole in the NFL. Davis and Loadholt are still options with the field of suitors diminishing.
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The staff is so set on keeping Flowers at right.
There is no reason to let a free agent dictate to the team where he is going to play. What happens if Flowers outplays him?
That's fair, but considering how atrocious flowers was and how good Monroe was that's not really a going concern. Injuries might change that.
You're all over the place here. First you're saying you don't understand why the Giants are so "set" on keeping Flowers at RT, now you're saying they shouldn't avoid signing a LT just because they want Flowers there. Which is it?
Flowers was a LT in college. He only played RT briefly as a true freshman. The Giants drafted him to be their LT of the future. That doesn't mean they can't put him at RT for a year or two if it means the line will be better overall.
Beatty isn't healthy.
I'm not sure moving him now makes sense. Not for a 30 year old Monroe with injury history.
If we do that...we are really desperate.
We could have signed better,younger,healthier talent if only The Giants were willing to move Flowers to RT earlier in free agency.
Not to mention,we could easily just resign Beatty if that's the case.
No, he's on third...
Because its Madden.
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that IF the Giants sign him, let Flowers & Monroe both be evaluated for LT & RT and assign them there based on merit.
If we do that...we are really desperate.
We could have signed better,younger,healthier talent if only The Giants were willing to move Flowers to RT earlier in free agency.
Such as who? Clady is just as old, and just as injured. And Okung isn't very good.
He still owes me money.
On the other hand, if the Giants think, this might be the best OLman they might be able to get their hands on, they might risk it....
What it comes down to is, do the Giants think they have enough, to go for it now.....
Literally the first thing reported about his release was that the Giants did not want to give up any picks or players to acquire him. Doesn't seem very desperate.
Who reported that? Mo, Larry, or Curly?
How could they have possibly talked TRADE with the Ravens without being willing to give up SONETHING?
No, he's on third...
Jeez Jimmy our mind meld is getting spooky. I was actually thinking this thread reminds me of Abbot and Costello before I listed the 3 stooges just because 3 names sounded better than 2...
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Literally the first thing reported about his release was that the Giants did not want to give up any picks or players to acquire him. Doesn't seem very desperate.
Who reported that? Mo, Larry, or Curly?
How could they have possibly talked TRADE with the Ravens without being willing to give up SONETHING?
Point is that they didn't. They checked in and decided the ask was too much. If the Giants were "desperate" they would have pushed something through anyway.
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Literally the first thing reported about his release was that the Giants did not want to give up any picks or players to acquire him. Doesn't seem very desperate.
Who reported that? Mo, Larry, or Curly?
How could they have possibly talked TRADE with the Ravens without being willing to give up SONETHING?
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
After trade talks with Giants fell through, Ravens released OT Eugene Monroe, per sources. Now free agent. NYG, SD, SEA could have interest.
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
The #Giants wanted #Ravens LT Eugene Monroe, but not at $6.5M for 2016 & beyond. Expect serious interest now that he's a free agent.
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I don't know.
No, he's on third...
Jeez Jimmy our mind meld is getting spooky. I was actually thinking this thread reminds me of Abbot and Costello before I listed the 3 stooges just because 3 names sounded better than 2...
This thread can't get out of its own way...
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I was under the impression that Flowers played RT in college, which is why I said they "moved" him to left, I was implying when he came to the NFL. He was one of the worst left tackles in the league last year, which is why I don't think we should avoid signing a LT just because they want flowers to ply there really bad. I mean Eli has 3-4 years left and I don't think they should compromise any of them just for the sake ofFlowers.
You're all over the place here. First you're saying you don't understand why the Giants are so "set" on keeping Flowers at RT, now you're saying they shouldn't avoid signing a LT just because they want Flowers there. Which is it?
Hmm? I'm a little confused. I thought I said I'm not sure why the Giants are set at keeping flowers at LEFT tackle, which is why they shouldn't avoid signing a LT just for the sake of Flowers. If I said right tackle, my mistake.
Ah I see now where the problem comes from. By right I meant left. Damn directions!
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Eugene Monroes problems in Baltimore didnt start and end with his stance on marijuana and his inability to stay healthy. Even when he was in the lineup, some in the Ravens brass had questions about his toughness, which is an issue when you consider the edge with which the franchise has typically played.
Seems like we want to re-incarnate Will Beatty by grabbing Monroe
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Eugene Monroes problems in Baltimore didnt start and end with his stance on marijuana and his inability to stay healthy. Even when he was in the lineup, some in the Ravens brass had questions about his toughness, which is an issue when you consider the edge with which the franchise has typically played.
Seems like we want to re-incarnate Will Beatty by grabbing Monroe
Bingo! Now who's on first?
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The staff is so set on keeping Flowers at right.
Ah I see now where the problem comes from. By right I meant left. Damn directions!
Ok, I am much less confused now!
He had three years at around $6.5M per left on his contract. His cap hit was higher because of the signing bonus pro-ration.
He just turned 29...
Injury part I get.
Is he looking for 1 year? Sorry it's been a while, more used to NBA salary terms. Do the Ravens pay the difference from whatever he gets with his new team? Or is that just for the guaranteed?
How does one player have anything to do with the other?
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around the league - yet there is interest in Monroe -- wonder why that is?
How does one player have anything to do with the other?
they are very similar players
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around the league - yet there is interest in Monroe -- wonder why that is?
How does one player have anything to do with the other?
they are very similar players
If they were similar then both would be getting attention. I don't see any comparison.
Oh, and they were lying pretending Marshall Newhouse is a quality starting calibre OT; and telling the truth around the time of the draft when asked about their OL and saying, in Yogi's finest vernacular: "it ain't over till it's over".
Another talented LT with consistent questions regarding his motivation and want-to. Perhaps a short commitment from a new team motivates him, but more often than not, it doesn't happen.
If he sucks cut him, if he's alright pick up the option. Same thing we did with Brandon Myers. He sucked after 1 year and we didn't pick up his option.
I am not against overpaying this year alone for him. It's locking him in for future years.
Another talented LT with consistent questions regarding his motivation and want-to. Perhaps a short commitment from a new team motivates him, but more often than not, it doesn't happen.
You're hearing one year deal plus option?
oh snap, welcome Eli. Tell your mom to chill out on the twitters.
Only if Monroe is going to be sent to bribe Davis out of retirement with the finest marijuana this side of the mississippi.
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although I don't outright buy the talk of him playing RT, he's not remotely a traditional RT.
Another talented LT with consistent questions regarding his motivation and want-to. Perhaps a short commitment from a new team motivates him, but more often than not, it doesn't happen.
You're hearing one year deal plus option?
Nothing yet, was referring to Rapoport's comment "but not at $6.5M for 2016 & beyond", which makes the most sense to me, so far. Seems clear, NYG wasn't interested in picking up his contract and handing over a draft pick.
McAdoo on Eugene Monroe's medical marijuana advocacy says 'everyone is entitled to their own opinion' #giants
I don't know EM from adam, but the write-ups scream minimum wage prove it deal.
the marijuana thing makes me think he thinks he's figured out how to beat the test. he better darn well be right, because you know the league is going to be paying extra special attention to him.
Bennett got a 1 year $2.5 contract as well when he was here.
Giants RB Rashad Jennings on his good friend, T Eugene Monroe: "He's a heck of a player ... one of the most athletic guys I've ever seen."
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Ploy to get SF Davis deal?
Only if Monroe is going to be sent to bribe Davis out of retirement with the finest marijuana this side of the mississippi.
Its gonna be hard to convince a guy who's been living near the valley that NJ is a better spot for weed.
Why are you following Tommy Chong
They did not draft Flowers to be a RT long-term. They drafted him to be the LT. The initial plan was to play him at RT if we had a healthy Beatty in year one but it didn't pan out that way so they had to throw him right into the fire.
Appears more risky the more I read
Appears more risky the more I read
He's pro-weed and as an healthier pain-med option to opiates. This doesn't mean he gets high every weekend
the marijuana thing makes me think he thinks he's figured out how to beat the test. he better darn well be right, because you know the league is going to be paying extra special attention to him.
No they are not going to "pay extra attention to him." Correct me if wrong, but aren't all the NFL drug testing policies mandated by CBA?
So Monroe, who has never failed a test for banned substances, will not be tested any more often and with any other protocol than any other "clean" player. He will have notice of impending screenings just like every other player, etc.
I find it astonishing that people are mentioning Monroe in the same breath as Will Hill. Have you read about Monroe's marijuana advocacy? It is an extremely rational stance and his point is that it's hypocritical to allow players to be shot up with the opioid narcotic Toradol just before games but to face punishment and suspension for testing positive for marijuana. He backs up his advocacy with data from the US Dept. of Health which cites benefits to marijuana for pain control including anti-inflammatory activity and the possible preventative effect marijuana may have on the development of CTE!
He may be a head, he may be Mr. Softee II, but assuming he's a weed addict like Hill who'll be facing suspension any day now because the league will be "out to get him" is preposterous.
ESPN covers Monroe's letter to the league - ( New Window )
There are guys in this league popping 30 pain pills a day just to get by and wind up with addictions that go well beyond their playing days. But smoking pot is some huge, frowned upon issue that is suspension worthy. It's 2016. It's time for the league to get with the times a little here.
In any event, I really don't think his stance makes him risky. It's not like this is a guy who is being suspended for violating the drug policy. He's not a dumb guy.
His advocacy is an ethical position, one that he's entitled to so long as he doesn't break the rules. I'm more than OK with that.
The injury issue is another story - the comparison to Will Beatty is a little scary, but did Monroe wait forever then opt for surgery late while the team was waiting on him to return?
He has the talent to improve our line. If it works out financially, I hope the Giants can sign him.
If you did some research and found out how opiate addiction has gone onto ruin players lives instead of making uneducated judgement its pretty easy to see why he wants to fight the pharma companies who pay the NFL to not change their stance on weed so they can continue to unload their pills onto team doctors.
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it's not a big deal to me. It always boggles my mind however (and not just about him), that it's a big deal to him. Geez. There's real stuff in the world to waste time upon. How this could factor into anyone's employment or where to live decisions is completely mystifying.
If you did some research and found out how opiate addiction has gone onto ruin players lives instead of making uneducated judgement its pretty easy to see why he wants to fight the pharma companies who pay the NFL to not change their stance on weed so they can continue to unload their pills onto team doctors.
As long as he doesn't break the rules that are in place, he is entitled to his opinion.
I don't know EM from adam, but the write-ups scream minimum wage prove it deal.
the marijuana thing makes me think he thinks he's figured out how to beat the test. he better darn well be right, because you know the league is going to be paying extra special attention to him.
We were pretty pressed up against the Cap at the time, so we had to spread it out over 2 years. This year we are still 18 mil under the cap and I can't see why we couldn't put his entire contract on 1 year.
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it's not a big deal to me. It always boggles my mind however (and not just about him), that it's a big deal to him. Geez. There's real stuff in the world to waste time upon. How this could factor into anyone's employment or where to live decisions is completely mystifying.
If you did some research and found out how opiate addiction has gone onto ruin players lives instead of making uneducated judgement its pretty easy to see why he wants to fight the pharma companies who pay the NFL to not change their stance on weed so they can continue to unload their pills onto team doctors.
As long as he doesn't break the rules that are in place, he is entitled to his opinion.
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Literally the first thing reported about his release was that the Giants did not want to give up any picks or players to acquire him. Doesn't seem very desperate.
Who reported that? Mo, Larry, or Curly?
How could they have possibly talked TRADE with the Ravens without being willing to give up SONETHING?
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
After trade talks with Giants fell through, Ravens released OT Eugene Monroe, per sources. Now free agent. NYG, SD, SEA could have interest.
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
The #Giants wanted #Ravens LT Eugene Monroe, but not at $6.5M for 2016 & beyond. Expect serious interest now that he's a free agent.
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it's not a big deal to me. It always boggles my mind however (and not just about him), that it's a big deal to him. Geez. There's real stuff in the world to waste time upon. How this could factor into anyone's employment or where to live decisions is completely mystifying.
If you did some research and found out how opiate addiction has gone onto ruin players lives instead of making uneducated judgement its pretty easy to see why he wants to fight the pharma companies who pay the NFL to not change their stance on weed so they can continue to unload their pills onto team doctors.
As long as he doesn't break the rules that are in place, he is entitled to his opinion.
i completely agree with that. I said as much. I'm sure jfk and mlk would be proud of him.
You also said that it boggles your mind that it's such a big deal to him and there's plenty of useful stuff to worry about in this world. Considering the lives opiates have destroyed for NFL alum both physically and mentally it's not hard to see why it would be a big deal to him.
He's not the first one to say it does, but I certainly can't say I've spent time looking for doctors confirming that.
Ricky Williams was the first player I can think of to say it helps manage pain.
It does.
This is where the rules suck. It's not a wonder drug. It's not going to cure everything that ails you, but it is another arrow in the quiver for pain management and if they approve the use of CBD only strains, they won't have to worry about players being high.
Or at least the players who want to use it for pain and not just to blaze..
This is where the rules suck. It's not a wonder drug. It's not going to cure everything that ails you, but it is another arrow in the quiver for pain management and if they approve the use of CBD only strains, they won't have to worry about players being high.
Or at least the players who want to use it for pain and not just to blaze..
If they approve the use of those strains, could they distinguish them from the dankety dank in testing?
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And work really well at managing pain.
This is where the rules suck. It's not a wonder drug. It's not going to cure everything that ails you, but it is another arrow in the quiver for pain management and if they approve the use of CBD only strains, they won't have to worry about players being high.
Or at least the players who want to use it for pain and not just to blaze..
If they approve the use of those strains, could they distinguish them from the dankety dank in testing?
Yup. Adjust the minimal level of THC allowed in one's system. there will be some, but not enough to be high.