This Deayon kid knows how to play CB, I don't care how tall he is. The Giants for years would place someone in the slot who had no chance to stick with the WR, who was just there taking up space. At least kid will give you effort and stick close to the WR. I see no reason why he doesn't make the team and even start.
Thompson is a lock to start especially seeing we have no one else to speak of competing against him. Here's hoping.
Davis is in the right place seeing Cruz probably won't make it out of spring training. It's up to him.
This Deayon kid knows how to play CB, I don't care how tall he is. The Giants for years would place someone in the slot who had no chance to stick with the WR, who was just there taking up space. At least kid will give you effort and stick close to the WR. I see no reason why he doesn't make the team and even start.
Thompson is a lock to start especially seeing we have no one else to speak of competing against him. Here's hoping.
Davis is in the right place seeing Cruz probably won't make it out of spring training. It's up to him.
Why would you say Cruz won't make it out of spring training? Do you know something we don't? I am looking forward to seeing all of these three in camp but I would not be so quick to right off Cruz, granted he has a lot to prove but believe that's more fuel for his fire.
DD is a nice story, but his size is definately a concern.
His 4.57 is from his pro day which should be a .1 faster than if he had been at the combine. His shuttle was 4.2 and his 3 cone 6.78. Both respectable but not eye popping numbers. Football is more than gym numbers but this is really something. Good for him.
one of the best CBs to ever play in the NFL was only 5'8, but was fast as hell. Of course the NFL was a different game back then, but he still held his own against some very good receivers, who had height on him too. I'm hoping that we found another diamond in the rough with DD and he can add some quality depth. It's sure to be needed at some point this year.
Different sport, different skill set. Totally irrelevant.
Yes, Janoris Jenkins is 5'10" but he is also 200 pounds.
Donte Deayon is only 1 inch shorter than Jenkins, but Deayon only weighs 158 pounds and that is probably generous.
So although Jenkins and Deayon are almost the same height, they are very, very different builds.
The problem is, when you are undersized like these two, and playing defensive back, you have to gamble to make up for your deficiency in size. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't.
Even with all that said, I'm still really rooting for the kid. I think he has good cover skills, and he would be a real nice match up in the slot. It will be nice to have a ball hawk as a slot corner.
He obviously has a unique skill set. I read a scouting report that said he would have been drafted in the middle rounds had he been a few inches taller and a few pounds heavier. So with that in mind, if he can play above his size, they might have a real find here
The big thing with Donte Deayon will be his run support. At that size, he must play bigger than he is when it comes to stopping the Run. That will probably be the determining factor on if he makes the team.
Different sport, different skill set. Totally irrelevant.
Yes, Janoris Jenkins is 5'10" but he is also 200 pounds.
Donte Deayon is only 1 inch shorter than Jenkins, but Deayon only weighs 158 pounds and that is probably generous.
So although Jenkins and Deayon are almost the same height, they are very, very different builds.
The problem is, when you are undersized like these two, and playing defensive back, you have to gamble to make up for your deficiency in size. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't.
Even with all that said, I'm still really rooting for the kid. I think he has good cover skills, and he would be a real nice match up in the slot. It will be nice to have a ball hawk as a slot corner.
He obviously has a unique skill set. I read a scouting report that said he would have been drafted in the middle rounds had he been a few inches taller and a few pounds heavier. So with that in mind, if he can play above his size, they might have a real find here
That's why we have a strength and conditioning program. He'll add some mass.
but Lewis over Davis. ST coach pretty much said
Davis not great at ST's so if Lewis shines there,
he will have bigger upside.If Lewis makes team and
gets playing time, watch out!
If you look at Free Agency, Draft, and Undrafted rookies
This years additions have potential to be as strong a group for all three as we've seen in recent years. Maybe not undrafted rookies because Cruz alone might cancel out anything this class does, but Cruz aside, this does look like a strong group.
The 2007 SB built much of its foundation on the 2005 free agency class (Plax, Pierce, and McKenzie), and had several notable and immediate contributions from that rookie class (Ross, Steve Smith, Boss, and Bradshaw). Can this year's free agency additions and draft class rival those groups? That remains to be seen, but the potential is certainly there.
It's still very early to say with the undrafted guys, but this does feel like a strong group, relatively speaking.
"breakout" as the players who exceeded expectations. With that in mind, it's especially interesting to compare Deayon and Davis as prospects.
Deayon is a guy that doesn't look the part physically but as Spags said simply "gets it." Whereas Davis looks like a chiseled Greek God, and has fine measurable for his tall, thick, size, but in his college tape and at the combine looked slower and less athletic than he tested. Both of them were productive players, which is refreshing relative to the old roulette wheel approach with guys like Sinorice.
Hey it will be great if both of them turn out to be players.
I loved Spags' comment that Deayon is "like a fly in the soup" for the opposition.
This years additions have potential to be as strong a group for all three as we've seen in recent years. Maybe not undrafted rookies because Cruz alone might cancel out anything this class does, but Cruz aside, this does look like a strong group.
The 2007 SB built much of its foundation on the 2005 free agency class (Plax, Pierce, and McKenzie), and had several notable and immediate contributions from that rookie class (Ross, Steve Smith, Boss, and Bradshaw). Can this year's free agency additions and draft class rival those groups? That remains to be seen, but the potential is certainly there.
It's still very early to say with the undrafted guys, but this does feel like a strong group, relatively speaking.
IMO, a healthy Cruz having the best season of his career equals the Giants winning the division and making the dance. Cruz not playing (or being JAG) equals the Giants being anywhere from 2nd to last in the Division (i.e. improved but not winning anything).
In comment 12998996 LakeGeorgeGiant said: Quote:
The fine gentlemen that frequent this establishment informed me several months ago that Geremy Davis was a "bust."
lol...people are funny, they say that like there is such a thing as a 6th round bust.
Simply too early to know how the bottom or even middle of the WR depth chart will shape up.
Davis is an interesting player who like most 6th round picks has pluses and minuses.
His pluses are very good hands, excellent size both height and bulk, catch radius, positive measurable athleticism, and to take Eli's words at face value intelligence and effort.
His minuses appear to be lack of suddenness, lack of technique running routes, and these add up to inability to create separation.
And you can see these points on some of the OTAs and mini camp tapes (what little there is): yes he had some eye opening receptions and reportedly was frequently targeted. But also among the defensive highlights quite a few were plays made on his targets...
To me he remains an unknown and clearly a guy that needs to be viewed in live action, to be Captain Obvious myself.
I don't have the same conviction that our whole team relies on Cruz being a stud
It's my belief Beckham is the Giant's only legitimate superstar since LT. He's a difference maker - a game changer - and is the only player capable of carrying this team on his back. IF (and only IF) he is complimented with 2 other WR that provides him with the freedom to flourish. LT wouldn't have been LT without Carson and Banks.
So, it isn't really Cruz per se. It is having a a 3rd WR equal to Cruz at his best. I was happy they drafted Shepard, but disappointed they didn't add the 3rd WR piece (instead putting all their chips on Cruz returning 110%, which I believe is what is necessary for Beckham to fly free).
I'm not saying the other additions they've made aren't important. They are. They provide the foundation but no other unit (other than maybe the secondary) is going to be elite in the way a Beckham-Shepard-Cruz (at 110%) would be.
And even with Cruz at 110% it will still require more on offense. First and foremost the right side of line is probably the worst in the NFL. And they need some semblence of a running game as well as RB/TE contributions to the receiving game. But, imo, what makes the difference is a WR trio that is the best in all of football. Just like LT made the Giants LB the best when he played. Not doing that - not having the best WR corp in football is a complete waste of Beckham's talents (and a wasted opportunity to compete for another Lombardi).
Lou, see my post above to Jimmy. That is exactly what needs to happen. Otherwise it is a waste of Beckham's talent. It would be similar to the Giants having surrounded LT with 3rd grade LB talent. LT became LT only because the Giants knew he was a superstar and needed to surround him with HOF talent so they could field the very best LB corp football has ever seen. Beckham is the same thing, IMO. That's how good he is and the Giants are wasting his talent IF the Giants don't end up having the best WR group in all of football by a wide margin (the same margin that the Giants had at LB during Taylor's years).
Ok. I agree with all your themes but just not to the degree
you do. I do think other receiving threats will allow Giants to take better advantage of OBJ, but i just think they need to be strong and not the "best" in the NFL. Convinced we would get more bang for our buck by improving other areas moderately (or more if able) versus just having the most elite WR corp including more of a pass rush, better LB play, some O-line push for the running game, etc.
offseason practices aren't the litmus test for breakout players
"Donte the Demon" will make the Giants based on his already demonstrable slot coverage ability. Of course he can tackle, Boise State wasn't in a flag football league. The prototype slot receiver is sleek, slender, shifty, if he can cover that the tackling isn't as difficult as in the box. Remember the great "Neon Deon" Sanders didn't do much in the way of tackling if he could avoid it, it's the coverage that counts.
Geremy Davis has yet to prove he can get open against NFL first tean DBs. If he can what a target, especially with the gazelles Beckham, hopefully Cruz, Shepard running free what an excellent end to the WR read for Manning, If?
Sounds like a great candidate for the practice squad. 16 months in the weight room and maybe he adds enough muscle mass to take seriously.
I agree with Robustelli that if DD can really cover at the NFL level right now he will make the 53 for that skill alone, to be used only in down and distance situations where the run threat is negligible. If it's really a passing league now you need cover guys for 3rd and long, as many as you can lay hands on. Especially ones that are ball Hawks like this fella.
Thompson is a lock to start especially seeing we have no one else to speak of competing against him. Here's hoping.
Davis is in the right place seeing Cruz probably won't make it out of spring training. It's up to him.
Thompson is a lock to start especially seeing we have no one else to speak of competing against him. Here's hoping.
Davis is in the right place seeing Cruz probably won't make it out of spring training. It's up to him.
Why would you say Cruz won't make it out of spring training? Do you know something we don't? I am looking forward to seeing all of these three in camp but I would not be so quick to right off Cruz, granted he has a lot to prove but believe that's more fuel for his fire.
Cruz already did make it out of "spring training."
Yes, Janoris Jenkins is 5'10" but he is also 200 pounds.
Donte Deayon is only 1 inch shorter than Jenkins, but Deayon only weighs 158 pounds and that is probably generous.
So although Jenkins and Deayon are almost the same height, they are very, very different builds.
The problem is, when you are undersized like these two, and playing defensive back, you have to gamble to make up for your deficiency in size. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't.
Even with all that said, I'm still really rooting for the kid. I think he has good cover skills, and he would be a real nice match up in the slot. It will be nice to have a ball hawk as a slot corner.
He obviously has a unique skill set. I read a scouting report that said he would have been drafted in the middle rounds had he been a few inches taller and a few pounds heavier. So with that in mind, if he can play above his size, they might have a real find here
Think you mean Trevin Wade.
Dwyane Wade the basketball player is 6'4"
Yes, Janoris Jenkins is 5'10" but he is also 200 pounds.
Donte Deayon is only 1 inch shorter than Jenkins, but Deayon only weighs 158 pounds and that is probably generous.
So although Jenkins and Deayon are almost the same height, they are very, very different builds.
The problem is, when you are undersized like these two, and playing defensive back, you have to gamble to make up for your deficiency in size. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't.
Even with all that said, I'm still really rooting for the kid. I think he has good cover skills, and he would be a real nice match up in the slot. It will be nice to have a ball hawk as a slot corner.
He obviously has a unique skill set. I read a scouting report that said he would have been drafted in the middle rounds had he been a few inches taller and a few pounds heavier. So with that in mind, if he can play above his size, they might have a real find here
That's why we have a strength and conditioning program. He'll add some mass.
Davis not great at ST's so if Lewis shines there,
he will have bigger upside.If Lewis makes team and
gets playing time, watch out!
The 2007 SB built much of its foundation on the 2005 free agency class (Plax, Pierce, and McKenzie), and had several notable and immediate contributions from that rookie class (Ross, Steve Smith, Boss, and Bradshaw). Can this year's free agency additions and draft class rival those groups? That remains to be seen, but the potential is certainly there.
It's still very early to say with the undrafted guys, but this does feel like a strong group, relatively speaking.
Deayon is a guy that doesn't look the part physically but as Spags said simply "gets it." Whereas Davis looks like a chiseled Greek God, and has fine measurable for his tall, thick, size, but in his college tape and at the combine looked slower and less athletic than he tested. Both of them were productive players, which is refreshing relative to the old roulette wheel approach with guys like Sinorice.
Hey it will be great if both of them turn out to be players.
I loved Spags' comment that Deayon is "like a fly in the soup" for the opposition.
The 2007 SB built much of its foundation on the 2005 free agency class (Plax, Pierce, and McKenzie), and had several notable and immediate contributions from that rookie class (Ross, Steve Smith, Boss, and Bradshaw). Can this year's free agency additions and draft class rival those groups? That remains to be seen, but the potential is certainly there.
It's still very early to say with the undrafted guys, but this does feel like a strong group, relatively speaking.
IMO, a healthy Cruz having the best season of his career equals the Giants winning the division and making the dance. Cruz not playing (or being JAG) equals the Giants being anywhere from 2nd to last in the Division (i.e. improved but not winning anything).
Cruz 1600
Beckham 1800
Shepard 800
TEs 600
RBs 600
5400 yards...
The fine gentlemen that frequent this establishment informed me several months ago that Geremy Davis was a "bust."
lol...people are funny, they say that like there is such a thing as a 6th round bust.
Simply too early to know how the bottom or even middle of the WR depth chart will shape up.
Davis is an interesting player who like most 6th round picks has pluses and minuses.
His pluses are very good hands, excellent size both height and bulk, catch radius, positive measurable athleticism, and to take Eli's words at face value intelligence and effort.
His minuses appear to be lack of suddenness, lack of technique running routes, and these add up to inability to create separation.
And you can see these points on some of the OTAs and mini camp tapes (what little there is): yes he had some eye opening receptions and reportedly was frequently targeted. But also among the defensive highlights quite a few were plays made on his targets...
To me he remains an unknown and clearly a guy that needs to be viewed in live action, to be Captain Obvious myself.
It's my belief Beckham is the Giant's only legitimate superstar since LT. He's a difference maker - a game changer - and is the only player capable of carrying this team on his back. IF (and only IF) he is complimented with 2 other WR that provides him with the freedom to flourish. LT wouldn't have been LT without Carson and Banks.
So, it isn't really Cruz per se. It is having a a 3rd WR equal to Cruz at his best. I was happy they drafted Shepard, but disappointed they didn't add the 3rd WR piece (instead putting all their chips on Cruz returning 110%, which I believe is what is necessary for Beckham to fly free).
I'm not saying the other additions they've made aren't important. They are. They provide the foundation but no other unit (other than maybe the secondary) is going to be elite in the way a Beckham-Shepard-Cruz (at 110%) would be.
And even with Cruz at 110% it will still require more on offense. First and foremost the right side of line is probably the worst in the NFL. And they need some semblence of a running game as well as RB/TE contributions to the receiving game. But, imo, what makes the difference is a WR trio that is the best in all of football. Just like LT made the Giants LB the best when he played. Not doing that - not having the best WR corp in football is a complete waste of Beckham's talents (and a wasted opportunity to compete for another Lombardi).
Cruz 1600
Beckham 1800
Shepard 800
TEs 600
RBs 600
5400 yards...
Lou, see my post above to Jimmy. That is exactly what needs to happen. Otherwise it is a waste of Beckham's talent. It would be similar to the Giants having surrounded LT with 3rd grade LB talent. LT became LT only because the Giants knew he was a superstar and needed to surround him with HOF talent so they could field the very best LB corp football has ever seen. Beckham is the same thing, IMO. That's how good he is and the Giants are wasting his talent IF the Giants don't end up having the best WR group in all of football by a wide margin (the same margin that the Giants had at LB during Taylor's years).
But we know what the author meant.
Geremy Davis has yet to prove he can get open against NFL first tean DBs. If he can what a target, especially with the gazelles Beckham, hopefully Cruz, Shepard running free what an excellent end to the WR read for Manning, If?
I agree with Robustelli that if DD can really cover at the NFL level right now he will make the 53 for that skill alone, to be used only in down and distance situations where the run threat is negligible. If it's really a passing league now you need cover guys for 3rd and long, as many as you can lay hands on. Especially ones that are ball Hawks like this fella.