but he wasn't even allowed to be Doug Flutie in that Bears offense. and he was a baby. He wasn't the same Doug Flutie that made the NFL look foolish years later. He was a raw inexperienced kid shackled in Ditka's offense.
RE: RE: RE: uh, the '86 Bears lost AT HOME to the Redskins in the playoffs
LEARN HOW TO READ AND GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS STRAIGHT. You run your mouth yet you don't even know who played QB for the Bears nor any of the circumstances surrounding them that season.
Clean up your act. I said I read it wrong and I know who played QB. Calm down, my facts are straight.
Yes there were many low scoring games early on, but that D didn't need the points because they didn't give up any, and the O didn't give up many either. I mean look at the entries so far, can you name another team in another year that had so many defining plays / games?
Magic!!! And long overdue!!!
but he wasn't even allowed to be Doug Flutie in that Bears offense. and he was a baby. He wasn't the same Doug Flutie that made the NFL look foolish years later. He was a raw inexperienced kid shackled in Ditka's offense.
yes. that and Payton being a shell of himself made it tough for him.
that's when I really started to believe we were going to win the SB. We were winning, we had the talent, it was a 'magic' play. Now I knew We had everything.
Same here (although I was still worried about the bears).
having now read all the Bear stuff, there was a feeling of inevitability that surrounded the 86 team that grew as the season progressed. As mentioned for me it was the Viking game that sealed it.
The 85 loss to the Bears was in many ways seen as a stepping stone as we entered the 86 season - we played the best team better than anyone. Delusional or not, I know many Giant fans felt the weather in that game took away our chances of victory. at the very least it showed we belonged among the leagues elite. Every Giant fan saw 86 as the best chance we had in a generation, in part because of how we played in 85.
I have no doubt we would have crushed the bears in the Playoffs had we met in 86. Our defense had eclipsed them by that point, Bears ran up a gaudy record against the shitty central, barely beating the eagles at home that year, losing to the Skins at home in the playoffs.
RE: and you still haven't answered whether if you were old enough
that's a pretty big deal. ON paper, sure the Bears looked like a legit foe. IN December of 1986 the thought of any team let alone a limp dick offensive team like the Bears coming into the meadowlands and even making things close was laughable. It wasn't happening. Matchups my ass. The Giants would have broken that Bears offense in half. They could have punted every time they got the ball and still won the game by 10.
To the winner goes the spoils so we can say anything. If you said the Giants would win 44-0 that game we might not agree. I looked on the field, not on paper. I see a game ruled by defense and Meadowlands wind which could cause turnovers. Neither offense would likely move. It would likely be turnovers with both teams stacking the box.
It's too bad they didn't meet. I think the Giants would have won but that game would be much more physical than that Skins game IMO. Speaking of matchups, flash back a year earlier, I think the Bears would have defeated the Dolphins in the Bowl yet another very interesting matchup which didn't happen.
Haven't read all the posts so I'm sure this isn't unique
It was 3 AM and I was watching it in a remote location in Israel in one of those TV trucks that was relaying the Armed Forces signal. I drove 3 hours from Jerusalem with a fellow Giants fan and there were about four other Israelis who had worked in silicon valley and were rooting for the 49ers in the TV truck.
I remember when the light bulb turned on during the game and I thought "My God, we may win this game.' For someone who was a die-hard fan throughout the late 60s and the 70s etc. this was truly a paradigm shift.
Yes there were many low scoring games early on, but that D didn't need the points because they didn't give up any, and the O didn't give up many either. I mean look at the entries so far, can you name another team in another year that had so many defining plays / games?
Magic!!! And long overdue!!!
It was certainly magical and long overdue. Can I name another year that had so many defining moments? For just the Giants? Probably not. The momentum took off in December, no doubt, but I don't believe most fans just wiped away the ghosts of despair until pretty late being this team displayed some similar issues through Nov that it had during previous years.
Winning in Dallas, in Green Bay, against New England the way they did, erases any and all criticisms.
There's no "But they didn't play the Bears!" for the 07' team.
And FWIW, I witnessed that 86' team in person, watched them disassemble Denver in that Super Bowl. I've watched a lot of football in my life, a lot of games. The Ditka Bears were an epic team, but were really one-dimensional on offense. 86 was NOT 85 - the Bears would have suffered a fate similar to Washington, I believe. Nobody could do anything against the Giant defense in that playoff run.
By November,the offense started to score points much easier, they were beating the best teams in both Conferences, there were some epic plays/battles and they were falling in our favor.
It was the Giants year and you could tell well before playoffs...
the questions on the book, see "BBI Store - Books"...it's the first book listed..."Big Blue Wrecking Crew: Smashmouth Football, a Little Bit of Crazy, and the '86 Super Bowl Champion New York Giants"
I have no idea if it is any good. Not yet released.
Winning in Dallas, in Green Bay, against New England the way they did, erases any and all criticisms.
There's no "But they didn't play the Bears!" for the 07' team.
And FWIW, I witnessed that 86' team in person, watched them disassemble Denver in that Super Bowl. I've watched a lot of football in my life, a lot of games. The Ditka Bears were an epic team, but were really one-dimensional on offense. 86 was NOT 85 - the Bears would have suffered a fate similar to Washington, I believe. Nobody could do anything against the Giant defense in that playoff run.
What are you talking about "what ifs"? Whether they did or didn't play bears (86) it didn't matter..no one was beating the 86 giants ...period
... there are many great highlights for me, most mentioned.
But the NFC championship win - and shutting out the HATED Redskins in a wind tunnel (all that paper! never forget that) and Jim Burt walking around with his kid on his shoulders ... I had never experienced that feeling as a Giants fan. WE WERE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL! I was 22 years old ... hard to top that feeling after having watched so many bad teams, and others with no offense and great defenses finish 5-9, 4-12, etc.
I wasn't SURE they'd beat the Broncos in the big game, and I was nervous being down 1 at the half, but it was pretty clear, pretty quickly in the third quarter, that we were going to get there.
Still gives me chills.
And in the second half of the Super Bowl against the Broncos,
when the Giants started to roll, my sister was sitting on the floor across the room from the TV, leaning against the couch. Dad and I decided that she would be forbidden from moving an inch - even though she had to go to the bathroom and complained a LOT - until the game was in the books. She was a good sport and, clearly, helped win the game.
My sisters boyfriend was a 49er fan who talked tons of shit to me. He locked himself in his room an would not answer any of my calls. Montana leaves stadium on a stretcher after Burt stand up bench presses him like a rag doll. I HATED the Niners. Only thing better was Marshall nearly killing Montana in 1990. I still dream about both hits :)
My sisters boyfriend was a 49er fan who talked tons of shit to me. He locked himself in his room an would not answer any of my calls. Montana leaves stadium on a stretcher after Burt stand up bench presses him like a rag doll. I HATED the Niners. Only thing better was Marshall nearly killing Montana in 1990. I still dream about both hits :)
me too. hated those pricks.
RE: RE: Overanalyzing situation. I stand by my comment
Buddy Ryan and Jim McMahon weren't part of that team (the former left to coach the Green Slime and the latter was out due to being body slammed WWF style after the end of a play by the Green Bay DE whose name escapes me at the moment--Charles something or other).
P.S. Walter Payton retired at the end of the '87 season, in January of '88, not after the '86 season. WP was also quite the fumbler in 86. Giants would have turned that Bears offense into a pinata of they played in the wind of the Meadowlands in January of '87.
Buddy Ryan and Jim McMahon weren't part of that team (the former left to coach the Green Slime and the latter was out due to being body slammed WWF style after the end of a play by the Green Bay DE whose name escapes me at the moment--Charles something or other).
P.S. Walter Payton retired at the end of the '87 season, in January of '88, not after the '86 season. WP was also quite the fumbler in 86. Giants would have turned that Bears offense into a pinata of they played in the wind of the Meadowlands in January of '87.
Charles "Too Mean" Martin. And he had his hit list towel on too.
And I'm of the opinion that the Bears would have been shutout just like the Redskins were if they played the Giants in the NFC Championship. No one ran on the Giants that season and you would have had Flutie trying to do his thing in an offense he wasn't suited for. It would have probably been 17-0, just like Skins game ended up.
Buddy Ryan and Jim McMahon weren't part of that team (the former left to coach the Green Slime and the latter was out due to being body slammed WWF style after the end of a play by the Green Bay DE whose name escapes me at the moment--Charles something or other).
P.S. Walter Payton retired at the end of the '87 season, in January of '88, not after the '86 season. WP was also quite the fumbler in 86. Giants would have turned that Bears offense into a pinata of they played in the wind of the Meadowlands in January of '87.
Thanks for catching that Optimus, poor editing on my part :-). How are you?
Payton started off '86 like his old self, but clearly faded as the season progressed.
And I'm of the opinion that the Bears would have been shutout just like the Redskins were if they played the Giants in the NFC Championship. No one ran on the Giants that season and you would have had Flutie trying to do his thing in an offense he wasn't suited for. It would have probably been 17-0, just like Skins game ended up.
Maybe, but I think few remember the wind and how it effected the Giants too. We can knock the Bears offense all day yet a lesser defense than the Bears, meaning the Skins, held the Giants to only 12 first downs. The Giants did lose the turnover battle and did fumble four times while Simms had only 7 completions. Just saying, not sure it would have been the layup some predict.
And I'm of the opinion that the Bears would have been shutout just like the Redskins were if they played the Giants in the NFC Championship. No one ran on the Giants that season and you would have had Flutie trying to do his thing in an offense he wasn't suited for. It would have probably been 17-0, just like Skins game ended up.
Maybe, but I think few remember the wind and how it effected the Giants too. We can knock the Bears offense all day yet a lesser defense than the Bears, meaning the Skins, held the Giants to only 12 first downs. The Giants did lose the turnover battle and did fumble four times while Simms had only 7 completions. Just saying, not sure it would have been the layup some predict.
The Giants jumped out to a 10-0 lead with the wind. Once they had a 2 score lead, Parcells played it safe because he knew that George Rogers couldn't run on his defense. And Schroeder had come apart in the 2nd game at RFK when he threw 6 INTs. The Skins pretty much abandoned the run and had him throw near every down. The few times he had open men, they dropped the ball. Gary Clark dropped 2 big passes. When the Giants went up 17-0 in the 2nd quarter, the Giants really shut it down, since the only way the Redskins would get back in it was if they made a mistake.
Walter Payton would not have done anything against the 1986 Giants defense. And Flutie would likely have done even worse than Schroeder did, since Schroeder actually had weapons to throw to. Unless the Bears defense would have turned a fumble into a score, that Bears offense, on the road, would have been killed. The Bears offense, with McMahon out, scored less than 17 points in 4 of their final 6 games, against such noted competition as Atlanta, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, and Detroit. I don't see it, I think the Bears were spared a beat down by the Giants in bowing out to Washington.
The 85 Bears were probably the best or second best team I ever saw. But the Bears team of that entire era was overrated. They didn't have much staying power at all. And every time some idiot brings up the 87 home opener let us not forget the 90 playoff game.
Curious what made you think of '85 Bears as that good?
A lot of hyperbole attached to that team, awesome defense.....but what made them special to the unbiased eye?
My problem with the Bears of the '80s is that they really came off as a one hit wonder team. They were really tough for 1 or 2 seasons, and then became rather beatable.
The way the Niners dismantled them in Soldier Field '88 NFCC, they never gave that kind of beating to the Giants post '84.
In some ways, I find the Redskins and Vikings underrated for their '80s run.
... there are many great highlights for me, most mentioned.
But the NFC championship win - and shutting out the HATED Redskins in a wind tunnel (all that paper! never forget that) and Jim Burt walking around with his kid on his shoulders ... I had never experienced that feeling as a Giants fan. WE WERE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL! I was 22 years old ... hard to top that feeling after having watched so many bad teams, and others with no offense and great defenses finish 5-9, 4-12, etc.
I wasn't SURE they'd beat the Broncos in the big game, and I was nervous being down 1 at the half, but it was pretty clear, pretty quickly in the third quarter, that we were going to get there.
Still gives me chills.
It wasn't a game, it was a celebration!!! Everyone KNEW they were going to win before the kickoff! The score may not seem impressive, but it was a blowout. Washington did nothing. They could've played 10 OTs and Washington still would not have scored. The offense spent most of the game running out the clock. They weren't going to score 49 points in that game because of the winds and Washington was a better team than SF. The fans were celebrating an hour before kick off.
I also agree, many highlights, but this game was so much bigger than any of the others.
... there are many great highlights for me, most mentioned.
But the NFC championship win - and shutting out the HATED Redskins in a wind tunnel (all that paper! never forget that) and Jim Burt walking around with his kid on his shoulders ... I had never experienced that feeling as a Giants fan. WE WERE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL! I was 22 years old ... hard to top that feeling after having watched so many bad teams, and others with no offense and great defenses finish 5-9, 4-12, etc.
I wasn't SURE they'd beat the Broncos in the big game, and I was nervous being down 1 at the half, but it was pretty clear, pretty quickly in the third quarter, that we were going to get there.
Still gives me chills.
It wasn't a game, it was a celebration!!! Everyone KNEW they were going to win before the kickoff! The score may not seem impressive, but it was a blowout. Washington did nothing. They could've played 10 OTs and Washington still would not have scored. The offense spent most of the game running out the clock. They weren't going to score 49 points in that game because of the winds and Washington was a better team than SF. The fans were celebrating an hour before kick off.
I also agree, many highlights, but this game was so much bigger than any of the others.
I was 12 I guess that season, so my parents sent me to bed at halftime down 17-0 vs SF that Monday night game. Still remember my Dad waking me up early the next morning to tell me all about the Giants comeback win.
So many of the kids in school had jumped on the 49ers bandwagon by 86 (at least those who hadn't jumped on the Cowboys or Bears bandwagon,).
The 85 Bears were probably the best or second best team I ever saw. But the Bears team of that entire era was overrated. They didn't have much staying power at all. And every time some idiot brings up the 87 home opener let us not forget the 90 playoff game.
Curious what made you think of '85 Bears as that good?
A lot of hyperbole attached to that team, awesome defense.....but what made them special to the unbiased eye?
My problem with the Bears of the '80s is that they really came off as a one hit wonder team. They were really tough for 1 or 2 seasons, and then became rather beatable.
The way the Niners dismantled them in Soldier Field '88 NFCC, they never gave that kind of beating to the Giants post '84.
In some ways, I find the Redskins and Vikings underrated for their '80s run.
The 1985 Bears had the #1 rated defense, which was to no one's surprise. But they also had the #2 overall rated offense (including the #1 rushing offense) in the NFL. Add in 2 shutouts at Soldier Field in the playoffs and the destruction over the Patriots sticks in everyone's mind. It was only the Dolphins who were able to expose the Buddy Ryan blitzing 46 defense, but that's because they had Marino. The real shame was that the Patriots somehow beat Miami in the AFC Championship and ruined what would have been a great Super Bowl matchup. Kind of like when the Falcons got in the Vikings way in 1998 and we could have seen them take on the Broncos.
Close second 4th and 17 ...
The Championship we beat the living piss out of
Jay Shrader <sp> the Confetti flying was awesome ..
The Great George Martin one of the Best Football Person Ever
The Hatred for the Niners and Lott ..
All the adversity Simms overcame with LT and Parcells ..
Finally the Big One
Super Bowl was Banks at his best and LT had the Speed to
Mirror Elway ..
He and I always got along great, till that day. He was a bit suspicious of me after that.
A couple of years later his suspicions were confirmed. He tried to recruit me into his Amway business. When I didn't go for it, he didn't speak to me for a couple of years.
We were living in the Bay Area at the time and it sweet wearing my Giants jacket to school the next day!
That game for me too. I was working in a Berkeley CA restaurant where I had formerly been the head chef, and the chef and cook who replaced me were diehard 9ers fans. I was off that night watching the game and they called me at home from work (must've been following on radio) to rib me during halftime. I was so confident in the Giants'ability to come back (I thought they were whipping the 9ers in the trenches and eventually that would show up in the score) I bet them $10 bucks each on the spot, being down 17-0, and got 2-1 odds from them.
The bastards never paid out. And also the restaurant stopped answering their phone at some point during the 2nd half!
it was the regular season game against the Redskins in Washington. We went in there and kicked the crap out of them on their home turf. LT was a monster that day, and that's when I really started to believe that we had a shot.
Oh, and the Minnesota 4th-and-17 game is right up there, too.
The 85 Bears were probably the best or second best team I ever saw. But the Bears team of that entire era was overrated. They didn't have much staying power at all. And every time some idiot brings up the 87 home opener let us not forget the 90 playoff game.
Curious what made you think of '85 Bears as that good?
A lot of hyperbole attached to that team, awesome defense.....but what made them special to the unbiased eye?
My problem with the Bears of the '80s is that they really came off as a one hit wonder team. They were really tough for 1 or 2 seasons, and then became rather beatable.
The way the Niners dismantled them in Soldier Field '88 NFCC, they never gave that kind of beating to the Giants post '84.
In some ways, I find the Redskins and Vikings underrated for their '80s run.
The 1985 Bears had the #1 rated defense, which was to no one's surprise. But they also had the #2 overall rated offense (including the #1 rushing offense) in the NFL. Add in 2 shutouts at Soldier Field in the playoffs and the destruction over the Patriots sticks in everyone's mind. It was only the Dolphins who were able to expose the Buddy Ryan blitzing 46 defense, but that's because they had Marino. The real shame was that the Patriots somehow beat Miami in the AFC Championship and ruined what would have been a great Super Bowl matchup. Kind of like when the Falcons got in the Vikings way in 1998 and we could have seen them take on the Broncos.
Didn't know they had the #2 offense.
Yes, it's a shame we didn't see Bears/Dolphins SB.
the blowout of the friggin 49'ers in the playoffs.
That was sweet!
The most exhilarating was obviously the SB victory, first one!
As far as the '85 Bears, after their SB victory over the Pats,
one of their issues is they became fat cats. Ditka with his
restaurants and wines, players with book deals and more.
That is another reason for 'no staying power'.
LEARN HOW TO READ AND GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS STRAIGHT. You run your mouth yet you don't even know who played QB for the Bears nor any of the circumstances surrounding them that season.
Clean up your act. I said I read it wrong and I know who played QB. Calm down, my facts are straight.
Magic!!! And long overdue!!!
yes. that and Payton being a shell of himself made it tough for him.
Same here (although I was still worried about the bears).
The 85 loss to the Bears was in many ways seen as a stepping stone as we entered the 86 season - we played the best team better than anyone. Delusional or not, I know many Giant fans felt the weather in that game took away our chances of victory. at the very least it showed we belonged among the leagues elite. Every Giant fan saw 86 as the best chance we had in a generation, in part because of how we played in 85.
I have no doubt we would have crushed the bears in the Playoffs had we met in 86. Our defense had eclipsed them by that point, Bears ran up a gaudy record against the shitty central, barely beating the eagles at home that year, losing to the Skins at home in the playoffs.
To the winner goes the spoils so we can say anything. If you said the Giants would win 44-0 that game we might not agree. I looked on the field, not on paper. I see a game ruled by defense and Meadowlands wind which could cause turnovers. Neither offense would likely move. It would likely be turnovers with both teams stacking the box.
It's too bad they didn't meet. I think the Giants would have won but that game would be much more physical than that Skins game IMO. Speaking of matchups, flash back a year earlier, I think the Bears would have defeated the Dolphins in the Bowl yet another very interesting matchup which didn't happen.
It was 3 AM and I was watching it in a remote location in Israel in one of those TV trucks that was relaying the Armed Forces signal. I drove 3 hours from Jerusalem with a fellow Giants fan and there were about four other Israelis who had worked in silicon valley and were rooting for the 49ers in the TV truck.
I remember when the light bulb turned on during the game and I thought "My God, we may win this game.' For someone who was a die-hard fan throughout the late 60s and the 70s etc. this was truly a paradigm shift.
Magic!!! And long overdue!!!
It was certainly magical and long overdue. Can I name another year that had so many defining moments? For just the Giants? Probably not. The momentum took off in December, no doubt, but I don't believe most fans just wiped away the ghosts of despair until pretty late being this team displayed some similar issues through Nov that it had during previous years.
Winning in Dallas, in Green Bay, against New England the way they did, erases any and all criticisms.
There's no "But they didn't play the Bears!" for the 07' team.
And FWIW, I witnessed that 86' team in person, watched them disassemble Denver in that Super Bowl. I've watched a lot of football in my life, a lot of games. The Ditka Bears were an epic team, but were really one-dimensional on offense. 86 was NOT 85 - the Bears would have suffered a fate similar to Washington, I believe. Nobody could do anything against the Giant defense in that playoff run.
By November,the offense started to score points much easier, they were beating the best teams in both Conferences, there were some epic plays/battles and they were falling in our favor.
It was the Giants year and you could tell well before playoffs...
I have no idea if it is any good. Not yet released.
Winning in Dallas, in Green Bay, against New England the way they did, erases any and all criticisms.
There's no "But they didn't play the Bears!" for the 07' team.
And FWIW, I witnessed that 86' team in person, watched them disassemble Denver in that Super Bowl. I've watched a lot of football in my life, a lot of games. The Ditka Bears were an epic team, but were really one-dimensional on offense. 86 was NOT 85 - the Bears would have suffered a fate similar to Washington, I believe. Nobody could do anything against the Giant defense in that playoff run.
What are you talking about "what ifs"? Whether they did or didn't play bears (86) it didn't matter..no one was beating the 86 giants ...period
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It was the Giants year and you could tell well before playoffs...
The only time I thought "well before the playoffs" was 2008 and at least 10 times during NYR seasons.
But the NFC championship win - and shutting out the HATED Redskins in a wind tunnel (all that paper! never forget that) and Jim Burt walking around with his kid on his shoulders ... I had never experienced that feeling as a Giants fan. WE WERE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL! I was 22 years old ... hard to top that feeling after having watched so many bad teams, and others with no offense and great defenses finish 5-9, 4-12, etc.
I wasn't SURE they'd beat the Broncos in the big game, and I was nervous being down 1 at the half, but it was pretty clear, pretty quickly in the third quarter, that we were going to get there.
Still gives me chills.
but the whole season was special.
me too. hated those pricks.
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that I knew they would win the SB.
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It was the Giants year and you could tell well before playoffs...
The only time I thought "well before the playoffs" was 2008 and at least 10 times during NYR seasons.
2008 was shaping up fine but not after Thanksgiving. And even beyond Plax situation, the team wasn't playing as well in December.
P.S. Walter Payton retired at the end of the '87 season, in January of '88, not after the '86 season. WP was also quite the fumbler in 86. Giants would have turned that Bears offense into a pinata of they played in the wind of the Meadowlands in January of '87.
P.S. Walter Payton retired at the end of the '87 season, in January of '88, not after the '86 season. WP was also quite the fumbler in 86. Giants would have turned that Bears offense into a pinata of they played in the wind of the Meadowlands in January of '87.
Charles "Too Mean" Martin. And he had his hit list towel on too.
And I'm of the opinion that the Bears would have been shutout just like the Redskins were if they played the Giants in the NFC Championship. No one ran on the Giants that season and you would have had Flutie trying to do his thing in an offense he wasn't suited for. It would have probably been 17-0, just like Skins game ended up.
P.S. Walter Payton retired at the end of the '87 season, in January of '88, not after the '86 season. WP was also quite the fumbler in 86. Giants would have turned that Bears offense into a pinata of they played in the wind of the Meadowlands in January of '87.
Thanks for catching that Optimus, poor editing on my part :-). How are you?
Payton started off '86 like his old self, but clearly faded as the season progressed.
And I'm of the opinion that the Bears would have been shutout just like the Redskins were if they played the Giants in the NFC Championship. No one ran on the Giants that season and you would have had Flutie trying to do his thing in an offense he wasn't suited for. It would have probably been 17-0, just like Skins game ended up.
Maybe, but I think few remember the wind and how it effected the Giants too. We can knock the Bears offense all day yet a lesser defense than the Bears, meaning the Skins, held the Giants to only 12 first downs. The Giants did lose the turnover battle and did fumble four times while Simms had only 7 completions. Just saying, not sure it would have been the layup some predict.
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And I'm of the opinion that the Bears would have been shutout just like the Redskins were if they played the Giants in the NFC Championship. No one ran on the Giants that season and you would have had Flutie trying to do his thing in an offense he wasn't suited for. It would have probably been 17-0, just like Skins game ended up.
Maybe, but I think few remember the wind and how it effected the Giants too. We can knock the Bears offense all day yet a lesser defense than the Bears, meaning the Skins, held the Giants to only 12 first downs. The Giants did lose the turnover battle and did fumble four times while Simms had only 7 completions. Just saying, not sure it would have been the layup some predict.
The Giants jumped out to a 10-0 lead with the wind. Once they had a 2 score lead, Parcells played it safe because he knew that George Rogers couldn't run on his defense. And Schroeder had come apart in the 2nd game at RFK when he threw 6 INTs. The Skins pretty much abandoned the run and had him throw near every down. The few times he had open men, they dropped the ball. Gary Clark dropped 2 big passes. When the Giants went up 17-0 in the 2nd quarter, the Giants really shut it down, since the only way the Redskins would get back in it was if they made a mistake.
Walter Payton would not have done anything against the 1986 Giants defense. And Flutie would likely have done even worse than Schroeder did, since Schroeder actually had weapons to throw to. Unless the Bears defense would have turned a fumble into a score, that Bears offense, on the road, would have been killed. The Bears offense, with McMahon out, scored less than 17 points in 4 of their final 6 games, against such noted competition as Atlanta, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, and Detroit. I don't see it, I think the Bears were spared a beat down by the Giants in bowing out to Washington.
We were living in the Bay Area at the time and it sweet wearing my Giants jacket to school the next day!
The 85 Bears were probably the best or second best team I ever saw. But the Bears team of that entire era was overrated. They didn't have much staying power at all. And every time some idiot brings up the 87 home opener let us not forget the 90 playoff game.
Curious what made you think of '85 Bears as that good?
A lot of hyperbole attached to that team, awesome defense.....but what made them special to the unbiased eye?
My problem with the Bears of the '80s is that they really came off as a one hit wonder team. They were really tough for 1 or 2 seasons, and then became rather beatable.
The way the Niners dismantled them in Soldier Field '88 NFCC, they never gave that kind of beating to the Giants post '84.
In some ways, I find the Redskins and Vikings underrated for their '80s run.
But the NFC championship win - and shutting out the HATED Redskins in a wind tunnel (all that paper! never forget that) and Jim Burt walking around with his kid on his shoulders ... I had never experienced that feeling as a Giants fan. WE WERE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL! I was 22 years old ... hard to top that feeling after having watched so many bad teams, and others with no offense and great defenses finish 5-9, 4-12, etc.
I wasn't SURE they'd beat the Broncos in the big game, and I was nervous being down 1 at the half, but it was pretty clear, pretty quickly in the third quarter, that we were going to get there.
Still gives me chills.
I also agree, many highlights, but this game was so much bigger than any of the others.
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... there are many great highlights for me, most mentioned.
But the NFC championship win - and shutting out the HATED Redskins in a wind tunnel (all that paper! never forget that) and Jim Burt walking around with his kid on his shoulders ... I had never experienced that feeling as a Giants fan. WE WERE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL! I was 22 years old ... hard to top that feeling after having watched so many bad teams, and others with no offense and great defenses finish 5-9, 4-12, etc.
I wasn't SURE they'd beat the Broncos in the big game, and I was nervous being down 1 at the half, but it was pretty clear, pretty quickly in the third quarter, that we were going to get there.
Still gives me chills.
It wasn't a game, it was a celebration!!! Everyone KNEW they were going to win before the kickoff! The score may not seem impressive, but it was a blowout. Washington did nothing. They could've played 10 OTs and Washington still would not have scored. The offense spent most of the game running out the clock. They weren't going to score 49 points in that game because of the winds and Washington was a better team than SF. The fans were celebrating an hour before kick off.
I also agree, many highlights, but this game was so much bigger than any of the others.
Landeta was a major reason for that game and win
Curious what made you think of '85 Bears as that good?
A lot of hyperbole attached to that team, awesome defense.....but what made them special to the unbiased eye?
An entire nation of football historians aren't as curious
I was 12 I guess that season, so my parents sent me to bed at halftime down 17-0 vs SF that Monday night game. Still remember my Dad waking me up early the next morning to tell me all about the Giants comeback win.
So many of the kids in school had jumped on the 49ers bandwagon by 86 (at least those who hadn't jumped on the Cowboys or Bears bandwagon,).
Bitches. Hehe.
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The 85 Bears were probably the best or second best team I ever saw. But the Bears team of that entire era was overrated. They didn't have much staying power at all. And every time some idiot brings up the 87 home opener let us not forget the 90 playoff game.
Curious what made you think of '85 Bears as that good?
A lot of hyperbole attached to that team, awesome defense.....but what made them special to the unbiased eye?
My problem with the Bears of the '80s is that they really came off as a one hit wonder team. They were really tough for 1 or 2 seasons, and then became rather beatable.
The way the Niners dismantled them in Soldier Field '88 NFCC, they never gave that kind of beating to the Giants post '84.
In some ways, I find the Redskins and Vikings underrated for their '80s run.
The 1985 Bears had the #1 rated defense, which was to no one's surprise. But they also had the #2 overall rated offense (including the #1 rushing offense) in the NFL. Add in 2 shutouts at Soldier Field in the playoffs and the destruction over the Patriots sticks in everyone's mind. It was only the Dolphins who were able to expose the Buddy Ryan blitzing 46 defense, but that's because they had Marino. The real shame was that the Patriots somehow beat Miami in the AFC Championship and ruined what would have been a great Super Bowl matchup. Kind of like when the Falcons got in the Vikings way in 1998 and we could have seen them take on the Broncos.
The Championship we beat the living piss out of
Jay Shrader <sp> the Confetti flying was awesome ..
The Great George Martin one of the Best Football Person Ever
The Hatred for the Niners and Lott ..
All the adversity Simms overcame with LT and Parcells ..
Finally the Big One
Super Bowl was Banks at his best and LT had the Speed to
Mirror Elway ..
We were visiting with our best friends. Her dad (a huge Skins fan was dying all game). He kept asking me - "Isn't that terrible, don't you think ?"
I kept a poker face all game, casually responding - "oh well, that's football, isn't it ?", (all the time cheering and celebrating inside).
He and I always got along great, till that day. He was a bit suspicious of me after that.
A couple of years later his suspicions were confirmed. He tried to recruit me into his Amway business. When I didn't go for it, he didn't speak to me for a couple of years.
49-3 blow out of the hated niners #2
especially when Jimmy Hoffa made Jerry Rice fumble
We were living in the Bay Area at the time and it sweet wearing my Giants jacket to school the next day!
That game for me too. I was working in a Berkeley CA restaurant where I had formerly been the head chef, and the chef and cook who replaced me were diehard 9ers fans. I was off that night watching the game and they called me at home from work (must've been following on radio) to rib me during halftime. I was so confident in the Giants'ability to come back (I thought they were whipping the 9ers in the trenches and eventually that would show up in the score) I bet them $10 bucks each on the spot, being down 17-0, and got 2-1 odds from them.
The bastards never paid out. And also the restaurant stopped answering their phone at some point during the 2nd half!
Oh, and the Minnesota 4th-and-17 game is right up there, too.
Oh, yeah. I remember exactly where I was. I held my breath long after the play was dead. Wow! Just wow!
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In comment 13002193 Giants2012 said:
The 85 Bears were probably the best or second best team I ever saw. But the Bears team of that entire era was overrated. They didn't have much staying power at all. And every time some idiot brings up the 87 home opener let us not forget the 90 playoff game.
Curious what made you think of '85 Bears as that good?
A lot of hyperbole attached to that team, awesome defense.....but what made them special to the unbiased eye?
My problem with the Bears of the '80s is that they really came off as a one hit wonder team. They were really tough for 1 or 2 seasons, and then became rather beatable.
The way the Niners dismantled them in Soldier Field '88 NFCC, they never gave that kind of beating to the Giants post '84.
In some ways, I find the Redskins and Vikings underrated for their '80s run.
The 1985 Bears had the #1 rated defense, which was to no one's surprise. But they also had the #2 overall rated offense (including the #1 rushing offense) in the NFL. Add in 2 shutouts at Soldier Field in the playoffs and the destruction over the Patriots sticks in everyone's mind. It was only the Dolphins who were able to expose the Buddy Ryan blitzing 46 defense, but that's because they had Marino. The real shame was that the Patriots somehow beat Miami in the AFC Championship and ruined what would have been a great Super Bowl matchup. Kind of like when the Falcons got in the Vikings way in 1998 and we could have seen them take on the Broncos.
Didn't know they had the #2 offense.
Yes, it's a shame we didn't see Bears/Dolphins SB.
That was sweet!
The most exhilarating was obviously the SB victory, first one!
As far as the '85 Bears, after their SB victory over the Pats,
one of their issues is they became fat cats. Ditka with his
restaurants and wines, players with book deals and more.
That is another reason for 'no staying power'.