I don't get the sense there is a lot of excitement about the upcoming season around here. Or is there excitement and most people are reserving judgement until camp and the preseason?
I haven't seen a lot of posts such as "I can't wait for the season to start!"
Very good quarterback, good wide receivers, good competition at the running back position, and some very good OL (granted with some holes as well).
On defense, Hankins and Snacks are gonna eat up the run. A full season of JPP and Vernon will inevitably improve the pass rush. The back 7 is problematic, but no team is perfect.
I think we'll win double digit games.
However, I wouldn't say "I can't wait for the season to begin" because I am looking forward to a long, relaxing summer. Football will come in due course....
Very good quarterback, good wide receivers, good competition at the running back position, and some very good OL (granted with some holes as well).
On defense, Hankins and Snacks are gonna eat up the run. A full season of JPP and Vernon will inevitably improve the pass rush. The back 7 is problematic, but no team is perfect.
I think we'll win double digit games.
+1, and I think the back 7 has the key components in place with a potential top CB tandem in DRC/Jack-rabbit . The big wild card is the safeties which are more or less a test of Reese and the scouting department as they are 2 premium picks (top 3 rounds) in Collins and Thompson. If we hit on those two ,the D has a chance to be not just very good but excellent.
A lot rides on JPP and Vernon. If they can get to the quarterback, it'll help cover up a lot of what we lack in the back 7. If they can't, especially with (what I believ will be) a pretty solid run defense, teams are gonna throw all over us.
But as you likely deducted from my first post, I'm pretty excited as I do think we will get to the quarterback and make enough plays on defense to win football games.
1) A new head coach, 2) what looks like a nice free agency haul for the defense, 3) a very good looking (although very early) 2016 draft class and 4) multiple key players apparently healthy after injuries in 2015 are all reasons to get excited.
Let's see who survives to the initial 53 man roster; then I'll really get excited.
It is very significant that McAdoo, a former TE coach, does not have a blocking TE on the roster and is going with an arsenal of pass catchers. We will see a lot of two TE looks this year, which will really help Eli keep his options open when audibilizing.
Defense will be the key as well as depth this year.
Cautiously Optimistic here but expect some forward movement ( record, defensive play ) overall...
A lot rides on JPP and Vernon. If they can get to the quarterback, it'll help cover up a lot of what we lack in the back 7. If they can't, especially with (what I believ will be) a pretty solid run defense, teams are gonna throw all over us.
But as you likely deducted from my first post, I'm pretty excited as I do think we will get to the quarterback and make enough plays on defense to win football games.
The 2007 and 2011 teams were certainly not stalwarts up and down the roster in the back 7. You could make the argument that either was more talented than this years version but not a great difference overall. At least not to the point of a 'reasonable' variation in projection yet to be determined by what unfolds this year. And to your point the front seven getting pressure plays a huge role on the success of our system (as also proven in our Super Bowl years).
This year I see the improvements to the roster through FA, I hear the noise about the rookies, I hear about improved health (CYA Palmieri), and yes, I feel like we should only be better.
I fully expect to make the playoffs this year. We are good enough to compete in the NFC, and it will come down to who is healthiest come the playoffs. IMO, the Giants have as good a shot this year as they did in '07 and '11.
Remember, those years had their skeptics too.
The Parcell teams were great, but still never in a class with some of the very elite, insomuch as I don't think they dominated everyone from beginning to end.
And if there's crying here about not enough depth, just remember the corners and WR's on that team.
I thought the 2008 team was on their way to dominating the league from beginning to end and was something like 24 and 3 when Plax Gloucked himself.
I think this team not only has enormous strangths it has the second best Giant I've ever seen and the best Giant QB I've ever seen.
I still think there's enough money and we might see a FS and ORT before the preseason starts.
An offense that was the 8th. best last year loses the gimpy kneed Randolph, gets Shepard and Cruz back and has to get better tight end play by a margin. A defense goes from one very good player in Cromartie (as I've already posted) and goes to six pro bowl types (Snacks, JPP, Vernon, Jenkins, Hankins, Cromartie). In addition, to that infusion of talent we SHOULD get a second infusion out of Robinson, Kennard, Odi. It's reasonable to assume that Collins and Bromley make significant strides.
Is that excited enuf?
Well if not, consider that as long as Harris is healthy we should have great specials.
Now it's a long way from potential to potential fulfilled, but the excitement at just seeing that front four (and btw, I think they will make Brinkley a much better player) and the simple idea of OBJ, Cruz and Shepard split out and Vereen catching one underneath.....has me breathless.
So her4e's my bottom line: I think this group has the potential to be the best Giant team I've ever seen and can dominate the league from beginning to end. With the caveat repeated: Potential is only potential and it's not alwasys fulfilled because of injuries, coaching or a host of intangibles including old fashioned luck. But this team has great potential.
I mean we started the Spring drills thinking and hoping we drafted another Victor Cruz... and then our DC is watching tape and confused Shepard for Beckham.
I mean, I'm a guy that generally goes by the "planet" and "shiny hood ornament" theories in terms of how to build a championship team, but...
A "2nd OBJ" on the team would really be quite Maddenesque.
So count me in.
If we get to the opening kickoff and Cruz is still feeling good ... and we have all these new guys and draft picks in uniform, feeling good?
Pretty damn excited.
Just so much time between now and then. But the table has been set.
I love summer -- but bring on the season!!!
I do like the team on paper at least.
More than anything I'm curious to see how things run under McAdoo. I'm hoping for a lot of changes, but I was disappointed not to see more turnover in the coaching staff.
I just pray this team stays relatively healthy so we can see how good we really are. not lead the league in injuries for a 4th year in a row.
I'm about to lose control and I think I like it
I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it
And I know, I know, I know, I know, I know I want September.
McAdoo has taken steps to address the problem, I believe. But I am in "wait and see" mode.
If the team gets through training camp with significantly fewer injuries than we have seen in the past several years, I'll be excited, definitely. The talent on the team is much better. Let's see if they stay off IR.
I'm excited about the talent influx and the coaching changes. Am I excited about the team? Not yet. If we get through training camp in good shape health-wise, I'll be excited about the team and the prospects for meaningful football in December and hopefully January. Maybe even the first week of February.
Every year, I have anxious anticipation during the preseason. I always think positive regarding the Giants. Although, 1954 I had real pre-season concern as we were going to be playing without the one-man-wrecking-crew, Arnie Weinmeister after the Giants screwed him over by trying to go cheap with him on a new contract.
So I'll go with 7.
Eli gets some MVP talk with 40+ TDs.
Giants defensive turnaround one of the stories of the NFL in 2016.
I expect JPP to play his ass off, make many impact plays, and be one of the best stories in sports in 2016.
Collins makes a huge jump and benefits from playing close to the LOS and in more 3 S sets.
Giants win 12 and make a playoff run.
Because of this excellent run I'm able to convince my youngest boy to drop the Steelers as his #1 team.
Yup, I'm excited about this season.
Especially with the prospect of seeing a lot of new faces on the field (as starters) - both rookies and Free Agents
The Jets proved, last year, that with the right influx of FAs, you can turn your fortunes around in one year. We can do the same.
Last year, with an under-manned roster, we took both the Pats and Carolina to the wire, and lost a bunch of other close ones. The roster is significantly improved.
Just as importantly, the sideline is improved. I don't think we'll see the 4th quarter indecision and paralysis that was the curse of 2015.
Of course, injuries tend to derail everything.
And we have the most exciting player in the league on our side.
As for football itself, the NFL doesn't excite me the way it used to. The Giants should be better than they have been the last few years, but I don't know if they'll be great. They'll probably look great one week, then horrible the next week. Then good a couple weeks, then horrible the next couple weeks.
Actually, that's most NFL teams these days.
I’m with “grizz299”, who ever the hell a 60 year fan is. He hit the nail on the head, as many others here have. I’m a 53 year fan. I remember the end of Y.A., Frank, Del, and Huff. Cleveland’s Championship Sunday night, and all the 1964 Browns references reminded me, as a 10 year old, of watching Jim Brown ripping us apart as badly as our run D was last year.
I remember nothing to cheer about except Tarkenton scrambling and finding Homer Jones until Simms, Parcells, and LT showed up in the early 80’s.
Step one, we made it through OTA’s in the best shape injury wise in what, 4… 5 years?
Eli and Odell are the best players at their positions we have had in 50 years.
We had a great free agency, and initial great reviews of our draft. If Eli gets a bonafide weapon out of Shephard, and God forbid if Victor really makes it back, we are the new “best show on turf”.
I have hope our ball hawk rookie safety, Thompson, will solidify the back 4. And that Paul Perkins, can break Jerry’s streak of not hitting in later rounds.
I’m as optimistic as I have been in years!
But.....
deep down, if VC is a go, I will be truly excited.
Pick up an extra tackle.....as they are razor thin.
Stay healthy
Continue to gel
Go Giants!
With the roster as currently constituted we should be competitive for the East and/or a lesser Wild Card.
If we can fortify the ROL with a legitimate talent upgrade before camp maybe we can make some noise in the tournament.
OK, I'm a traditionalist. I liked football the old way. Blocking and tackling. Defense. Televised games where commercials didn't interrupt the flow of the action. Televised games where you didn't miss plays because the network wasn't cramming in one more promo for some shitty show that I will never, ever watch.
I've been a big NFL fan for decades, but they are slowly and surely losing me as a fan. I watch less football every season, and now actually prefer to watch CFL games over NFL games.
I also don't believe that the GIANTS will win another Championship until Reese and Ross are gone. And unfortunately that will be after Eli is long gone, too.
Tired
OK, I'm a traditionalist. I liked football the old way. Blocking and tackling. Defense. Televised games where commercials didn't interrupt the flow of the action. Televised games where you didn't miss plays because the network wasn't cramming in one more promo for some shitty show that I will never, ever watch.
I've been a big NFL fan for decades, but they are slowly and surely losing me as a fan. I watch less football every season, and now actually prefer to watch CFL games over NFL games.
I also don't believe that the GIANTS will win another Championship until Reese and Ross are gone. And unfortunately that will be after Eli is long gone, too.
I think our injuries will go way down this year
and therefore our team will have much better personnel on the field
which will translate to wins
my secret wish
is to finally have a gaudy regular record
We are witnessing the beginning of a new era in New York Giants Football. One which may encompass the most prolific Offense in the history of the franchise. More importantly we will witness as the Phoenix, the rebirth of the Big Blue Wrecking Crew. We need not fear the youth that abounds the roster, rather embrace the uniform maturity.
One thing I will caution is the allegiance to roster veterans, because performance will dictate rather then term of service. For example many believe that Donnell may be a lock but, I offer the opinion that only Adams is a lock with all others earning their roster spots. The fact that LaCosse has been running with the first team is of note. Malleck has also flashed, that may mean the determining factor may be run blocking.
The WR corps may have as many as 4 new members from last years squad. All who doubt Cruz are in for a big surprise and Shepard is lightening in a bottle. Lewis, Powe and Dable have all caught the coaches attention. Even more important is coach Adam Henry, who has developed such talents as Beckham and Landry while at LSU. Davis may be talented but if he doesn't contribute on specials he won't make the final 53.
With the LB corps the same holds true, Brinkley is being projected as the Mike starter because he was here last year. Don't sit on Sheppard who is more diverse, and if Goodson continues to impress Brinkley may lose out. The same goes for Casillas and Thomas, its all about performance.
Same goes for the secondary, where some express the past mantra that you need have a veteran presence at the expense of youthful talent. I offer that a new mindset needs to be cultivated. One commensurate with the new brain trust and its ideology, in order to anticipate the formulation of 2016 active roster.
Therefore maybe we may see an addition to the OL but WR, FS, CB give it a rest; talented players will not make the final 53 as it stands. The secondary with health may surpass when Kinard, Collins and Sparks roamed the back of the Defense.
All this points to energized intensive competitive training camp, with few gimme's. Such an environment creates excitement. Also on a historical note, what happened the last time big brother won a Super Bowl and how unlikely were those events. Deja Vous, anybody?
roster turnover .
This maybe Reece's best Year ever in the way we drafted and
didn't Keep Prince and shoring the middle up .
I just think there will be so many new contributors this season it will be like no other .....
10-6 Division Champs....!!!!
Gotta agree with ya, Mike.
At June 21, the vibe feels good, man.
The O line should sure itself up and with our WCO Eli and OBJ should shine yet again. The big if here is Cruz, I have a good feeling about Shepard. If we can open up a few holes for our running game we will be tough to beat. The TE should improve too.
I'm psyched
I'm even shitting blue.
It must have been the blueberry shave Ice I ate yesterday.
Can't wait to see Odell and Sterling, maybe even Cruz on the field together. Throw in an elusive Paul Perkins and an improved healthy Ereck Flowers. Eli in his 3rd season of McAdoo's new offense.
On defense we have a pass rush again with a run stuffer defensive line. Should match our 2014 sack numbers of 47 (4th in the NFL). An improved Landon Collins playing in his natural position as strong safety and a ball hawking backfield of Darian Thompson, Jenkins and Cromartie.
Playoffs are within reach. Once in the playoffs with Eli the Lombardi Trophy is the limit. Eli 8-3 in the post season.
I am always optimistic at the start of the season!
Bring it On!
Beyond that, I think it is clear that it was time for TC. The years of not getting it done within the division was the biggest issue for me, and I think it was just time for a change. Enter McAdoo, and I love what I am seeing so far. There is genuine confidence here, and energy. It's early, but I think we found ourselves a keeper. The past is the past and we start a new era now. Bring it on!
More excited than Vin R
On paper you have to like all the talent they brought in. Here is where the reserve judgement comes in as we need to see these guys perform.
I do think Eli has a great season and is Top 3 QB this year. Brady, Rodgers, Eli, Big Ben.
I am cautiously optimistic this season.....only thing that can stop us from making the playoffs, is serious injuries to key players.....
This team has absolutely no depth.....we are basically thin at every position....stay healthy, we make the playoffs, where anything can happen...one and done, or we go deep into it....if the injury bug continues to decimate this team, it can tank early...we are long over due for a few breaks.....
I'm extremely pumped for the season and I think we're gonna have a lot of fun this year. I'm always optimistic but I'm also objective. I err on the side of hopefulness but that's what fandom is for me. Hope.
But.....
deep down, if VC is a go, I will be truly excited.
Pretty much how I feel. I am not that optimistic about VC returning to form though. I am usually optimistic about the Giants, but there is something to be said for thinking they won't be very good and being pleasantly surprised if that turns out to be wrong.
I am also not as concerned with the OL. I get the funny feeling we have a TE in Adams who can help the right side while still being a receiving threat.