Ackert makes it sound like the Mets badly want to bring Reyes back (with Jeff leading the charge). I see a lot of Reyes vs. Gurriel (the proper spelling despite what some are writing in the media) but given the near zero $ cost Reyes will likely cost the answer should be BOTH not one or the other.
Ackert makes it sound like the Mets badly want to bring Reyes back (with Jeff leading the charge). I see a lot of Reyes vs. Gurriel (the proper spelling despite what some are writing in the media) but given the near zero $ cost Reyes will likely cost the answer should be BOTH not one or the other.
Yeah, if this is a "one or the other" situation it should only be because of fit but as far as I'm concerned, you add the talent and worry about where they slot after. Reyes sounds like he really wants to come back regardless of role. We could really use his speed. David fucking Wright still leads this team in SB's with a whopping 3. But I also think the Mets need to add Gourriel. These are two guys who can help the lineup and won't cost any prospects (and in Reyes' case, won't even really cost any money)
Ackert makes it sound like the Mets badly want to bring Reyes back (with Jeff leading the charge). I see a lot of Reyes vs. Gurriel (the proper spelling despite what some are writing in the media) but given the near zero $ cost Reyes will likely cost the answer should be BOTH not one or the other.
Yeah, if this is a "one or the other" situation it should only be because of fit but as far as I'm concerned, you add the talent and worry about where they slot after. Reyes sounds like he really wants to come back regardless of role. We could really use his speed. David fucking Wright still leads this team in SB's with a whopping 3. But I also think the Mets need to add Gourriel. These are two guys who can help the lineup and won't cost any prospects (and in Reyes' case, won't even really cost any money)
Gotta do it.
Yeah I mean if Reyes wants to return that badly let him know he will play as much as his production allows. Gurriel isn't even likely going to be MLB ready for 3-4 weeks and who knows if he hits right away? Reyes could represent a short term "now" move and it's not as if Cabrera has been so incredible that the idea of Reyes playing over him is outrageous.
Reports have come out that Jose Reyes is said to be desperate to return to the team who signed him out of the Dominican Republic in 1999. Reyes has made it known that he has pined to come back to the team he left in 2011 for the big money contract he desired and eventually found with the Miami Marlins. Mike Puma of the New York Post spoke with some individuals who are familiar with the situation and who have spoken to Reyes as well regarding his current situation. Link - ( New Window )
The Dodgers held a private workout for free agent Cuban infielder Yulieski Gurriel today, according to a source, and Gurriel posted a photo of himself at Dodger Stadium on his Instagram account. The 32-year-old infielder also has a workout lined up with the New York Mets and at least one other team, according to the source.
Gurriel was only declared a free agent eight days ago. He won’t sign anywhere today since Major League Baseball prohibits international free agents from signing before July 2, but he could become a factor for some team down the stretch.
Supposedly he wants about 11 million annually. With his age he might only be getting a 2 year deal. So 2 years 22 million but we should recoup about 5 million from Wright this year and possibly a lot more from Wright next year depending on what he does. Really a no brainer for me.
When we brought in KJ and Uribe last year, Duda went into Collins' office and asked if Johnson was brought in to take his place. Collins told Lucas that he'd be the one to dictate that. Luke responded big time.
Nothing wrong with pushing these guys to earn their PT. Droobs has been good for us this year but it's not like he's an elite SS. Bring Jose back, whoever is producing will be in the lineup. Make everyone push each other. This lineup needs to step up across the board. Cespedes is the only guy who has really carried his weight all season long. Walker has been good as well but that's really it.
Supposedly he wants about 11 million annually. With his age he might only be getting a 2 year deal. So 2 years 22 million but we should recoup about 5 million from Wright this year and possibly a lot more from Wright next year depending on what he does. Really a no brainer for me.
I've yet to see his asking price. Where did you see this? I only saw an "unnamed source" tell Harper he would only offer 2 years 10-11 per not that Gurriel would take that.
From that same Harper item, two scouts discussed Cuban superstar Yulieski Gurriel, noting that while Gurriel has looked impressive in the past, they would need a fresh look given Gurriel’s age (32). That age will surely limit the size of Gurriel’s eventual contract, as “even if he looks good in a workout, I wouldn’t give him more than two years,” one scout said, though he did predict an average annual value for Gurriel in the range of $10-$11MM per season. As one former Mets player anonymously told Harper, Gurriel makes a lot of sense for New York to replace the injured David Wright at third base.
If they don't add Gourriel, Reyes is unlikely to make enough of a difference to make this a Championship caliber lineup so we're going to have to then make a deal at the deadline for a bat and lose prospects. I'd love to have someone like Valencia in the lineup but Valencia for legit assets vs. Gourriel for nothing but cash is a no brainer for me.
If they don't add Gourriel, Reyes is unlikely to make enough of a difference to make this a Championship caliber lineup so we're going to have to then make a deal at the deadline for a bat and lose prospects. I'd love to have someone like Valencia in the lineup but Valencia for legit assets vs. Gourriel for nothing but cash is a no brainer for me.
He hit .335 with a .417 on-base percentage, .580 slugging percentage and 250 home runs in 5,491 plate appearances during 15 professional seasons between Cuba and Japan, according to Baseball-Reference.
Gourriel will likely command between $10 million and $11 million per season, however because of his age, it is possible he isn't worth more than a two-year deal, one scout recently told New York Daily News reporter John Harper.
Two team sources told the New York Post's Joel Sherman in early June that the Mets have not ruled out pursuing Gourriel even though they are not likely to sign him.
He hit .335 with a .417 on-base percentage, .580 slugging percentage and 250 home runs in 5,491 plate appearances during 15 professional seasons between Cuba and Japan, according to Baseball-Reference.
Gourriel will likely command between $10 million and $11 million per season, however because of his age, it is possible he isn't worth more than a two-year deal, one scout recently told New York Daily News reporter John Harper.
Two team sources told the New York Post's Joel Sherman in early June that the Mets have not ruled out pursuing Gourriel even though they are not likely to sign him.
Read Harper's piece. That summary you posted just isn't accurate. Those are the numbers/years unnamed scouts would give him not what he's asking for. They are saying because of his age/risk.
"“It’s more of an issue when a guy is listed at 32,” one scout said. “It’s not like someone who says he’s 22 and turns out to be 24 or 25. At 32 an extra year or two matters a lot more. You have to see if the athleticism is still there.
“Even if he looks good in a workout, I wouldn’t give him more than two years. The cost would depend on how many clubs get involved, but based on what some of the other (Cuban defectors) have gotten, it figures to be $10-$11 million a year, depending on the length.”
Not that he's only asking for 2 years 10-11 per. If that were the case 15+ teams would be interested and he'd be signed by now.
is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe they view him as a piece for next year. They need a 3B.
Sort of a ball park starting point possibly... How much higher could it go? 15 million per? 3 years?
I'm really not arguing semantics here. You suggested he's "asking" for 2 years 10-11. Olivera just got 62.5 million over 6 years and he wasn't as good as Gurriel in Cuba (30 vs. 32). Obviously I have no idea if Gurriel's plan is to get as many years as possible OR get a quick bigger money deal and then hit FA again once he's proven but 2 years 20-22 seems unrealistically light in either scenario.
is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe they view him as a piece for next year. They need a 3B.
They do, but they're stuck paying Headley for 2 more years. I'm not sure what they'd do with him. No one is taking his contract.
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is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe they view him as a piece for next year. They need a 3B.
They do, but they're stuck paying Headley for 2 more years. I'm not sure what they'd do with him. No one is taking his contract.
Many people believe Gurriel can be at least average at 2b.
I mean I wasn't really offering my opinion one way or the other Â
I scour the internet daily and was just going off a few blurbs Ive read. Most outlets seem to think because of his age he'll only get a 2-3 year deal. Im certainly aware it could be more.
As far as the annual amount. No Cuban player has ever gotten more than 10 million out the box. Scout thinks he might want 11. So lets get crazy and say 15. Its still a relatively small commitment was my point. I would be shocked if he got anything close 4 and 60 which is still essentially what we paid for Granderson for a second tier talent.
is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe they view him as a piece for next year. They need a 3B.
They do, but they're stuck paying Headley for 2 more years. I'm not sure what they'd do with him. No one is taking his contract.
Many people believe Gurriel can be at least average at 2b.
Right, but then what about Castro? I mean the guy has been shitty but I think the Yankees know they're not contending within the next 2 years. It just doesn't make much sense to me.
I scour the internet daily and was just going off a few blurbs Ive read. Most outlets seem to think because of his age he'll only get a 2-3 year deal. Im certainly aware it could be more.
As far as the annual amount. No Cuban player has ever gotten more than 10 million out the box. Scout thinks he might want 11. So lets get crazy and say 15. Its still a relatively small commitment was my point. I would be shocked if he got anything close 4 and 60 which is still essentially what we paid for Granderson for a second tier talent.
Jose Abreu got 11.3 per season (before the 2014 season) and he got 6 years on top of that. Olivera got 10.4 again at 6 years guaranteed. Gurriel isn't taking 2 years 20-22 million unless he's absolutely awful in workouts and everyone comes away unimpressed.
You're right... a couple have juuuuust gone past 10. Castillo and Tomas appear to be busts also. If anything that might help the situation. It makes sense that he would want to get the highest amount annually as maybe a badge of pride but I dont think its going MUCH past that. There's also likely a much smaller market due to his age and the fact that this is happening mid-season. Contenders are likely the only teams looking to add him.
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Seems way too risky to me. Doesn't adjust right away and looks "meh" he's hitting the FA market with the stink of not looking good. Right now he has the air of mystery, the Cuban league track record. It's conceivable he wouldn't even take his first MLB AB until August and who says he hits the ground running?
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Seems way too risky to me. Doesn't adjust right away and looks "meh" he's hitting the FA market with the stink of not looking good. Right now he has the air of mystery, the Cuban league track record. It's conceivable he wouldn't even take his first MLB AB until August and who says he hits the ground running?
Definitely a risk, just have to think right now there are a lot of teams who aren't all that interested due to some combination of his age, their record, and having money already committed to the position. His age is what it is but the other 2 factors would open up more possibilities in the offseason. If he's killing workouts and teams are lining up it's 1 thing, but if his workouts are just "meh" and they're not, who knows? We all thought teams would be lining up for Yo after his 2nd half last year and while he definitely wanted to be a Met, he certainly wasn't as in demand as we all expected.
Is Matz making his next start? It's kind of worrisome that this is the 2nd time already that he's feeling twinges/discomfort in his elbow. Starting to feel like it's only a matter of time. :/
that 11 million. I showed you were I read it. A scout is saying "likely command". That's where I got it from. It could be more. Great. Cool beans.
What? You responded and I didn't. Then you responded again. What are you talking about?
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You're right... a couple have juuuuust gone past 10. Castillo and Tomas appear to be busts also. If anything that might help the situation. It makes sense that he would want to get the highest amount annually as maybe a badge of pride but I dont think its going MUCH past that. There's also likely a much smaller market due to his age and the fact that this is happening mid-season. Contenders are likely the only teams looking to add him.
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for a few months and then hit the open market.
Seems way too risky to me. Doesn't adjust right away and looks "meh" he's hitting the FA market with the stink of not looking good. Right now he has the air of mystery, the Cuban league track record. It's conceivable he wouldn't even take his first MLB AB until August and who says he hits the ground running?
Man. You are really on my nuts today about
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that 11 million. I showed you were I read it. A scout is saying "likely command". That's where I got it from. It could be more. Great. Cool beans.
Cespedes was performing, Puig was performing, Abreu had an incredible first year.... Cuba was sort of viewed as some golden land for players. Teams started getting a little nutty.
Fast forward a few years and Puig is sucking ass. Abreu is meh. Tomas meh. Castillo sucks...
The track record suddenly isn't that hot.
Gourriel cant sign until July 1st anyway but I do kind of get the sense that teams aren't going to be lining up for him. We know three teams are bringing him in for a showcase so far.
Is Matz making his next start? It's kind of worrisome that this is the 2nd time already that he's feeling twinges/discomfort in his elbow. Starting to feel like it's only a matter of time. :/
anything you oddly have a bug up your ass with me simply asking for the link suggesting him "wanting" 10-11 million because I had not seen that. I wasn't being snarky at all. Instead of simply admitting you read it wrong/stated it wrong you got all defensive. Then you said no Cuban players have ever received more than 10 million per (which also wasn't true) but I didn't exactly rip you for it.
Cespedes was performing, Puig was performing, Abreu had an incredible first year.... Cuba was sort of viewed as some golden land for players. Teams started getting a little nutty.
Fast forward a few years and Puig is sucking ass. Abreu is meh. Tomas meh. Castillo sucks...
The track record suddenly isn't that hot.
Gourriel cant sign until July 1st anyway but I do kind of get the sense that teams aren't going to be lining up for him. We know three teams are bringing him in for a showcase so far.
Moncada looks incredible, Jose Abreu slow start to his season and all is still a career 144 OPS+ hitter and an absolute steal at 11.4 million per, Cespedes is a superstar. You stated he's asking for a very low number, I wanted to see this in print and it turned out to be false.
are also ignoring the huge money teams are pouring into "lesser" named and less proven guys. Soler got 30 million, Dodgers gave Yusniel Diaz 15.5 million, Dodgers gave Pablo Fernandez 8 million, Dodgers gave Yasiel Sierra 6 years 30, Reds gave Iglesias 7 years 27 million. These Cuban players are still getting loads of money.
are also ignoring the huge money teams are pouring into "lesser" named and less proven guys. Soler got 30 million, Dodgers gave Yusniel Diaz 15.5 million, Dodgers gave Pablo Fernandez 8 million, Dodgers gave Yasiel Sierra 6 years 30, Reds gave Iglesias 7 years 27 million. These Cuban players are still getting loads of money.
are also ignoring the huge money teams are pouring into "lesser" named and less proven guys. Soler got 30 million, Dodgers gave Yusniel Diaz 15.5 million, Dodgers gave Pablo Fernandez 8 million, Dodgers gave Yasiel Sierra 6 years 30, Reds gave Iglesias 7 years 27 million. These Cuban players are still getting loads of money.
Great!
Again. Why the attitude? I'm giving you evidence that that "hot" Cuban market is still hot. The Dodgers went over their limit to sign Diaz which means he cost them 31 million, Omar Estevez got 6 million to sign, 6 million in overage for 12 million bucks total.
Amazing how he doesn't see how nitpicky he can be. Flat out admit I was scouring the internet and threw 11 million out there from something I read. Find the exact sentence I found it from that has a scout saying "likely commmand". Laugh at myself and say Im ashamed from finding it on Metsblog. Proceed to kill me about for the next 30 comments.
I don't think the Wilpons make any decision on Gurriel without having thought out (hopefully talked out w/ David) the future status of Wright. Their investment in him is significant. I doubt they will make a Gurriel decision in a vacuum. There's been much talk about the insurance on Wright's contract. It may not be what it seems. From a 2013 blog ...
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Regarding the insurance on a contract, here are some things you need to know:
Most of the insurance policies are covered within 3 year intervals, and most policies are done solely to protect teams from injuries to players on a long term deal. So for example, David Wright’s new 8 year deal would likely get a new policy after 2016, because he was already signed in 2013.
If, in fact, the present policy lapses before 2017 how likely is it they will renew? Will the Wilpon's disregard any money owed to Wright in making a decision on Gurriel? Only they know the answer ... and possibly Sandy.
are also ignoring the huge money teams are pouring into "lesser" named and less proven guys. Soler got 30 million, Dodgers gave Yusniel Diaz 15.5 million, Dodgers gave Pablo Fernandez 8 million, Dodgers gave Yasiel Sierra 6 years 30, Reds gave Iglesias 7 years 27 million. These Cuban players are still getting loads of money.
Great!
Again. Why the attitude? I'm giving you evidence that that "hot" Cuban market is still hot. The Dodgers went over their limit to sign Diaz which means he cost them 31 million, Omar Estevez got 6 million to sign, 6 million in overage for 12 million bucks total.
Im just offering my opinion. A few notable examples appear to be busts. The track record isn't as clean as it used to be. That's all I was saying. I was suggesting because of Gurriel's age and it being mid-season + a few notable busts/players like Puig not performing... all 30 teams might not be beating down the gates to sign him. Again. My opinion. We are simply discussing.
honestly don't see a difference between what you said he was "asking for" and what unnamed sources thing he should get? You don't think suggesting the Cuban market is now "cold" and me responding with a valid response is fair? I guess we shall move on but this is strange even for you. I didn't attack you at all. I wanted to see the link which suggested this. that is all.
honestly don't see a difference between what you said he was "asking for" and what unnamed sources thing he should get? You don't think suggesting the Cuban market is now "cold" and me responding with a valid response is fair? I guess we shall move on but this is strange even for you. I didn't attack you at all. I wanted to see the link which suggested this. that is all.
Sure. But once I showed you exactly where I got it from I assumed we were both admitting what the exact quote was. It wasn't like I was hiding it from you. Should have been dropped right there. I dont remember word for word everything Ive ever read when having a discussion. I also never even read the Heyman piece. Cerrone's sentence is a little misleading which is typical for him which I thought I also laughed at a bit. Whatever.
38th round pick @thereal_lilj07 has indicated he will not be signing with the Mets #Mets
Was he one of the players the Mets needed to gamble on over slot to entice him? I remember you posted three or four names that the Mets had to sign to make this draft more interesting.
38th round pick @thereal_lilj07 has indicated he will not be signing with the Mets #Mets
Was he one of the players the Mets needed to gamble on over slot to entice him? I remember you posted three or four names that the Mets had to sign to make this draft more interesting.
I had never heard of him before the draft. None of the experts had much about him. Had a solid scholarship to Nevada so he could be pretty decent in a few years. The 3 "big" names are Planck, Cleveland and Cortes. Cortes has basically said he's going to school. The money doesn't seem to be there for both Planck and Cleveland so hopefully 1/2.
of right now the Mets are only about 45,000 in surplus (waiting on Alonso, Kay, Paez) but it's hard to see how they would save enough on those 3 that Cleveland and Planck both sign. Planck claims he already turned down nearly 500,000
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of right now the Mets are only about 45,000 in surplus (waiting on Alonso, Kay, Paez) but it's hard to see how they would save enough on those 3 that Cleveland and Planck both sign. Planck claims he already turned down nearly 500,000
Yeah so probably looks like one or the other? Holderman did agree though right? Its not official yet though?
of right now the Mets are only about 45,000 in surplus (waiting on Alonso, Kay, Paez) but it's hard to see how they would save enough on those 3 that Cleveland and Planck both sign. Planck claims he already turned down nearly 500,000
Yeah so probably looks like one or the other? Holderman did agree though right? Its not official yet though?
Holderman signed and is in Kingsport, received 400,000 to sign. I've spoken 29th rounder Alex Haynes a few times and he said the Mets aren't sure if they can sign either Cleveland or Planck and if they can't they will call him with an offer.
33rd rounder @PenceDuncan says he turned down $500,000 from the Mets and expects to attend college http://www.knoxnews.com/sports/high-school/farraguts-duncan-pence-improved-along-the-way-352e05fb-0bb5-2ef6-e053-0100007f1131-383857391.html #Mets
Syndergaard already pitched against KC on opening week... Â
...with Noah batting, do you guys think KC looks to throw at him (at least inside)? I still have visions of Mike Moustakas (who is out for the season) yelling at Syndergaard from the dugout.
33rd rounder @PenceDuncan says he turned down $500,000 from the Mets and expects to attend college http://www.knoxnews.com/sports/high-school/farraguts-duncan-pence-improved-along-the-way-352e05fb-0bb5-2ef6-e053-0100007f1131-383857391.html #Mets
As I mentioned in last nights thread, there has been no news here since basically draft day. his asking price was nearly twice what the Mets offered him.
I think that stuff is all over with now. Noah already got tossed for "throwing at" Utley with no warning a few weeks ago. He's not going to want to get involved in any of that today and I doubt the Royals are either. It's over. Time to move on.
was looking into Valencia a bit more.
Valencia 2015 2.2 fWAR over 105 games
Valencia 2016 1.2 fWAR over 50 games
He also was worth 2.0 fWAR in 2010 in only 85 games and 0.9 fWAR in 2013 with the Orioles in only 52 games. His value has been bubbling to the surface for a while now. His emergence shouldn't be "that" shocking.
33rd rounder @PenceDuncan says he turned down $500,000 from the Mets and expects to attend college http://www.knoxnews.com/sports/high-school/farraguts-duncan-pence-improved-along-the-way-352e05fb-0bb5-2ef6-e053-0100007f1131-383857391.html #Mets
As I mentioned in last nights thread, there has been no news here since basically draft day. his asking price was nearly twice what the Mets offered him.
Is the draft round a typo? Mets offered a THIRTY-THIRD round pick $500K, and he turned it down because he's looking for $1 mill?
Where does a 33rd round pick get the balls asking for so much money? Is there a reason he dropped so much (ie, is he a boras client or something)?
33rd rounder @PenceDuncan says he turned down $500,000 from the Mets and expects to attend college http://www.knoxnews.com/sports/high-school/farraguts-duncan-pence-improved-along-the-way-352e05fb-0bb5-2ef6-e053-0100007f1131-383857391.html #Mets
As I mentioned in last nights thread, there has been no news here since basically draft day. his asking price was nearly twice what the Mets offered him.
Is the draft round a typo? Mets offered a THIRTY-THIRD round pick $500K, and he turned it down because he's looking for $1 mill?
Where does a 33rd round pick get the balls asking for so much money? Is there a reason he dropped so much (ie, is he a boras client or something)?
He's there in the 33rd round because he's asking for X. They were prepared to draft him in the 3rd round at 500K and he balked, they drafted him anyway (33rd) likely as a backup plan in case one of the high picks decided not to sign.
I want them to get Reyes, but I'd prefer to not break up the MI def Â
33rd rounder @PenceDuncan says he turned down $500,000 from the Mets and expects to attend college http://www.knoxnews.com/sports/high-school/farraguts-duncan-pence-improved-along-the-way-352e05fb-0bb5-2ef6-e053-0100007f1131-383857391.html #Mets
As I mentioned in last nights thread, there has been no news here since basically draft day. his asking price was nearly twice what the Mets offered him.
Is the draft round a typo? Mets offered a THIRTY-THIRD round pick $500K, and he turned it down because he's looking for $1 mill?
Where does a 33rd round pick get the balls asking for so much money? Is there a reason he dropped so much (ie, is he a boras client or something)?
All part of the game Speedy and part of what makes the baseball draft so unique. Plenty of talented high school players perfectly content to go to college and improve their stock even more unless they are blown away by money over-slot by a major league team.
I think that stuff is all over with now. Noah already got tossed for "throwing at" Utley with no warning a few weeks ago. He's not going to want to get involved in any of that today and I doubt the Royals are either. It's over. Time to move on.
Thanks arc, I hope you're right - Noah is our clear ace and was more concerned than looking for something.
Is literally meaningless, unlike any other sport. The round a player is drafted is has literally nothing to do with the level of his talent. Some kids get drafted way earlier than they should because they will sign under slot. And others get drafted in the 33rd just because, well why not.
Once a player goes up drafted at the level he feels he is "worth", the only way a team drafts him is purely in the hope they may be able to have enough to go over slot, or the demands were a bluff.
The baseball gods aren't good enough with having only 4 of our 5 staring pitchers with TJ surgery...they really want to complete the total fuckery of this Mets staff.
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Noah Syndergaard put a photo on Instragram this evening with the caption: "Happy elbows for me and mini Thor," while posing with a young lookalike. I suppose that's a positive.
Elbow discomfort is not as ominous as pain in the forearm Â
Pitchers have inflammation in the elbow after every start. The fact that it came around the 80 or 90 pitch mark is also a good sign. If he had left in the first inning I would be worried.
Plus, he had elbow and forearm pain his last season at AAA. So, this is nothing new.
I'm more worried about Matz not being able to throw the slider. They should give him a few starts off. I guess they were originally trying to wait for Wheeler to do that
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#Mets announce no structural damage for Syndergaard. Just elbow discomfort. Taking anti-inflammatory med. Cleared to resume normal routine.
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Zack Wheeler update: Sensory nerve irritation; no structural issues. Received cortisone injection; can resume rehab when he feels ready.
are in and the team wants to wait until the next day to announce information (i.e. press conference) its a really bad sign. Thank God the news came out tonight and everyone is good. Cespedes's sprain appears to be the worst.
And letting the speculators run wild would be a nightmare. Then giving the all clear tomorrow am, well the fans and media would rip them for it. It's happened before. Hopefully they've learned the lesson. Good sign.
I am so, so glad I checked this thread before I hit the sheets.
All things considered, this is the best news we possibly could have hoped for. If Cespedes missing a few days (and we have ATL coming up now.. yes, I know they just swept us but c'mon) is the worst news we get here, we should be pretty thankful.
Between all this, the negative x-rays on Flo and Bart... it seems like we're finally getting a little luck in this department for the first time in what seems like forever. I think we were all expecting much worse because we're conditioned to at this point.
With the way they gelled as a team last year, I think this mets club house can still make noise in the division/playoff race even with all the injuries. There's no logic to base this on, just a gut feeling, but to me, this feels like a team with an attainable end goal in mind.
Obviously, now that I trust in them they're going to sucker punch me in the stomach
With the way they gelled as a team last year, I think this mets club house can still make noise in the division/playoff race even with all the injuries. There's no logic to base this on, just a gut feeling, but to me, this feels like a team with an attainable end goal in mind.
Obviously, now that I trust in them they're going to sucker punch me in the stomach
I think the original lineup was less than the sum of its parts. Too many lefty pull hitters. Too many high K guys. No speed. Then add in that Duda and Grandy were not drawing walks like they usually did. Also, add in that the HR barrage made them a little too HR happy, and I think the team just got in a funk. Grandy is what, 1 for 23 with RISP and two outs? Walker seems like he has not had a hit in a big spot since April. Conforto is struggling to adjust to the 4 seamer inside standing closer to the plate.
I also think the expectations are making guys press a little bit too much. That's why I think a guy like Reyes with his carefree demeanor would be great for this team.
it was John Ricco a few weeks ago that said Syndergaard is someone who is "Very aware" of his body. My feeling with him is that he is somewhat paranoid to any pain he feels in his elbow. I can completely understand since every pitcher around him is having Tommy John Surgery, so he's more the exception than the rule and basically a ticking time bomb. Every pitcher is going to have soreness, he may not mentally be able to get out of his head that something might seriously be wrong. He can get his elbow MRId all he wants for I care if it keeps him calmn. I might suggest trying to vary his fastball somewhat, throw a let than top velocity in certain counts and max velocity at other times in the count. Throwing 98-100 every pitch is going to make you feel vulnerable.
New York Mets manager Terry Collins really didn't want to talk about Noah Syndergaard's elbow discomfort.
And he almost got away with it, too. If it weren't for that meddling PR guy.
As Collins was wrapping up his postgame presser on Wednesday after a 4-3 win over the Kansas City Royals, Collins was standing up to leave without having faced any questions about his star pitcher's elbow issues, which reporters were clearly unaware of.
Then Collins, after being told something off-camera, sat back down, clearly exasperated."What? There wasn't any questions on it. Oh, Jesus. ... The puppy dog wants you guys to now that, uh, Noah Syndergaard's seeing the doctor. His elbow flared up on him. That's why I took him out of the game," Collins said, before quickly exiting.
The "puppy dog" in question was longtime Mets PR guru Jay Horwitz and the whole incident caught the eye of plenty of people, including Mike Francesa, who ranted about it on his show Wednesday.
Yeah, if this is a "one or the other" situation it should only be because of fit but as far as I'm concerned, you add the talent and worry about where they slot after. Reyes sounds like he really wants to come back regardless of role. We could really use his speed. David fucking Wright still leads this team in SB's with a whopping 3. But I also think the Mets need to add Gourriel. These are two guys who can help the lineup and won't cost any prospects (and in Reyes' case, won't even really cost any money)
Gotta do it.
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Ackert makes it sound like the Mets badly want to bring Reyes back (with Jeff leading the charge). I see a lot of Reyes vs. Gurriel (the proper spelling despite what some are writing in the media) but given the near zero $ cost Reyes will likely cost the answer should be BOTH not one or the other.
Yeah, if this is a "one or the other" situation it should only be because of fit but as far as I'm concerned, you add the talent and worry about where they slot after. Reyes sounds like he really wants to come back regardless of role. We could really use his speed. David fucking Wright still leads this team in SB's with a whopping 3. But I also think the Mets need to add Gourriel. These are two guys who can help the lineup and won't cost any prospects (and in Reyes' case, won't even really cost any money)
Gotta do it.
Yeah I mean if Reyes wants to return that badly let him know he will play as much as his production allows. Gurriel isn't even likely going to be MLB ready for 3-4 weeks and who knows if he hits right away? Reyes could represent a short term "now" move and it's not as if Cabrera has been so incredible that the idea of Reyes playing over him is outrageous.
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Nothing wrong with pushing these guys to earn their PT. Droobs has been good for us this year but it's not like he's an elite SS. Bring Jose back, whoever is producing will be in the lineup. Make everyone push each other. This lineup needs to step up across the board. Cespedes is the only guy who has really carried his weight all season long. Walker has been good as well but that's really it.
I've yet to see his asking price. Where did you see this? I only saw an "unnamed source" tell Harper he would only offer 2 years 10-11 per not that Gurriel would take that.
If they don't add Gourriel, Reyes is unlikely to make enough of a difference to make this a Championship caliber lineup so we're going to have to then make a deal at the deadline for a bat and lose prospects. I'd love to have someone like Valencia in the lineup but Valencia for legit assets vs. Gourriel for nothing but cash is a no brainer for me.
If they don't add Gourriel, Reyes is unlikely to make enough of a difference to make this a Championship caliber lineup so we're going to have to then make a deal at the deadline for a bat and lose prospects. I'd love to have someone like Valencia in the lineup but Valencia for legit assets vs. Gourriel for nothing but cash is a no brainer for me.
Yup. Exactly. Reyes will not be enough.
Gourriel will likely command between $10 million and $11 million per season, however because of his age, it is possible he isn't worth more than a two-year deal, one scout recently told New York Daily News reporter John Harper.
Two team sources told the New York Post's Joel Sherman in early June that the Mets have not ruled out pursuing Gourriel even though they are not likely to sign him.
Gourriel will likely command between $10 million and $11 million per season, however because of his age, it is possible he isn't worth more than a two-year deal, one scout recently told New York Daily News reporter John Harper.
Two team sources told the New York Post's Joel Sherman in early June that the Mets have not ruled out pursuing Gourriel even though they are not likely to sign him.
Read Harper's piece. That summary you posted just isn't accurate. Those are the numbers/years unnamed scouts would give him not what he's asking for. They are saying because of his age/risk.
“Even if he looks good in a workout, I wouldn’t give him more than two years. The cost would depend on how many clubs get involved, but based on what some of the other (Cuban defectors) have gotten, it figures to be $10-$11 million a year, depending on the length.”
Not that he's only asking for 2 years 10-11 per. If that were the case 15+ teams would be interested and he'd be signed by now.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
Sort of a ball park starting point possibly... How much higher could it go? 15 million per? 3 years?
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Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe they view him as a piece for next year. They need a 3B.
Sort of a ball park starting point possibly... How much higher could it go? 15 million per? 3 years?
I'm really not arguing semantics here. You suggested he's "asking" for 2 years 10-11. Olivera just got 62.5 million over 6 years and he wasn't as good as Gurriel in Cuba (30 vs. 32). Obviously I have no idea if Gurriel's plan is to get as many years as possible OR get a quick bigger money deal and then hit FA again once he's proven but 2 years 20-22 seems unrealistically light in either scenario.
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is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe they view him as a piece for next year. They need a 3B.
They do, but they're stuck paying Headley for 2 more years. I'm not sure what they'd do with him. No one is taking his contract.
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is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe they view him as a piece for next year. They need a 3B.
They do, but they're stuck paying Headley for 2 more years. I'm not sure what they'd do with him. No one is taking his contract.
Many people believe Gurriel can be at least average at 2b.
As far as the annual amount. No Cuban player has ever gotten more than 10 million out the box. Scout thinks he might want 11. So lets get crazy and say 15. Its still a relatively small commitment was my point. I would be shocked if he got anything close 4 and 60 which is still essentially what we paid for Granderson for a second tier talent.
good thing turner has been raging hot lately for the dodgers
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is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe they view him as a piece for next year. They need a 3B.
They do, but they're stuck paying Headley for 2 more years. I'm not sure what they'd do with him. No one is taking his contract.
Many people believe Gurriel can be at least average at 2b.
Right, but then what about Castro? I mean the guy has been shitty but I think the Yankees know they're not contending within the next 2 years. It just doesn't make much sense to me.
As far as the annual amount. No Cuban player has ever gotten more than 10 million out the box. Scout thinks he might want 11. So lets get crazy and say 15. Its still a relatively small commitment was my point. I would be shocked if he got anything close 4 and 60 which is still essentially what we paid for Granderson for a second tier talent.
Jose Abreu got 11.3 per season (before the 2014 season) and he got 6 years on top of that. Olivera got 10.4 again at 6 years guaranteed. Gurriel isn't taking 2 years 20-22 million unless he's absolutely awful in workouts and everyone comes away unimpressed.
Seems way too risky to me. Doesn't adjust right away and looks "meh" he's hitting the FA market with the stink of not looking good. Right now he has the air of mystery, the Cuban league track record. It's conceivable he wouldn't even take his first MLB AB until August and who says he hits the ground running?
The #Mets have activated Logan Verrett, who took a redeye to NYC last night. They've optioned Ty Kelly, will proceed with an extra reliever.
Another sigh of relief for #Mets: Bartolo Colon's swelling has mostly subsided. The team expects him to start Sunday in ATL as scheduled.
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for a few months and then hit the open market.
Seems way too risky to me. Doesn't adjust right away and looks "meh" he's hitting the FA market with the stink of not looking good. Right now he has the air of mystery, the Cuban league track record. It's conceivable he wouldn't even take his first MLB AB until August and who says he hits the ground running?
Definitely a risk, just have to think right now there are a lot of teams who aren't all that interested due to some combination of his age, their record, and having money already committed to the position. His age is what it is but the other 2 factors would open up more possibilities in the offseason. If he's killing workouts and teams are lining up it's 1 thing, but if his workouts are just "meh" and they're not, who knows? We all thought teams would be lining up for Yo after his 2nd half last year and while he definitely wanted to be a Met, he certainly wasn't as in demand as we all expected.
What? You responded and I didn't. Then you responded again. What are you talking about?
Ok.
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You're right... a couple have juuuuust gone past 10. Castillo and Tomas appear to be busts also. If anything that might help the situation. It makes sense that he would want to get the highest amount annually as maybe a badge of pride but I dont think its going MUCH past that. There's also likely a much smaller market due to his age and the fact that this is happening mid-season. Contenders are likely the only teams looking to add him.
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Seems way too risky to me. Doesn't adjust right away and looks "meh" he's hitting the FA market with the stink of not looking good. Right now he has the air of mystery, the Cuban league track record. It's conceivable he wouldn't even take his first MLB AB until August and who says he hits the ground running?
Man. You are really on my nuts today about
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that 11 million. I showed you were I read it. A scout is saying "likely command". That's where I got it from. It could be more. Great. Cool beans.
Fast forward a few years and Puig is sucking ass. Abreu is meh. Tomas meh. Castillo sucks...
The track record suddenly isn't that hot.
Gourriel cant sign until July 1st anyway but I do kind of get the sense that teams aren't going to be lining up for him. We know three teams are bringing him in for a showcase so far.
From what I know yes.
Fast forward a few years and Puig is sucking ass. Abreu is meh. Tomas meh. Castillo sucks...
The track record suddenly isn't that hot.
Gourriel cant sign until July 1st anyway but I do kind of get the sense that teams aren't going to be lining up for him. We know three teams are bringing him in for a showcase so far.
Moncada looks incredible, Jose Abreu slow start to his season and all is still a career 144 OPS+ hitter and an absolute steal at 11.4 million per, Cespedes is a superstar. You stated he's asking for a very low number, I wanted to see this in print and it turned out to be false.
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are also ignoring the huge money teams are pouring into "lesser" named and less proven guys. Soler got 30 million, Dodgers gave Yusniel Diaz 15.5 million, Dodgers gave Pablo Fernandez 8 million, Dodgers gave Yasiel Sierra 6 years 30, Reds gave Iglesias 7 years 27 million. These Cuban players are still getting loads of money.
Great!
Again. Why the attitude? I'm giving you evidence that that "hot" Cuban market is still hot. The Dodgers went over their limit to sign Diaz which means he cost them 31 million, Omar Estevez got 6 million to sign, 6 million in overage for 12 million bucks total.
Amazing how he doesn't see how nitpicky he can be. Flat out admit I was scouring the internet and threw 11 million out there from something I read. Find the exact sentence I found it from that has a scout saying "likely commmand". Laugh at myself and say Im ashamed from finding it on Metsblog. Proceed to kill me about for the next 30 comments.
Most of the insurance policies are covered within 3 year intervals, and most policies are done solely to protect teams from injuries to players on a long term deal. So for example, David Wright’s new 8 year deal would likely get a new policy after 2016, because he was already signed in 2013.
If, in fact, the present policy lapses before 2017 how likely is it they will renew? Will the Wilpon's disregard any money owed to Wright in making a decision on Gurriel? Only they know the answer ... and possibly Sandy.
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are also ignoring the huge money teams are pouring into "lesser" named and less proven guys. Soler got 30 million, Dodgers gave Yusniel Diaz 15.5 million, Dodgers gave Pablo Fernandez 8 million, Dodgers gave Yasiel Sierra 6 years 30, Reds gave Iglesias 7 years 27 million. These Cuban players are still getting loads of money.
Great!
Again. Why the attitude? I'm giving you evidence that that "hot" Cuban market is still hot. The Dodgers went over their limit to sign Diaz which means he cost them 31 million, Omar Estevez got 6 million to sign, 6 million in overage for 12 million bucks total.
Im just offering my opinion. A few notable examples appear to be busts. The track record isn't as clean as it used to be. That's all I was saying. I was suggesting because of Gurriel's age and it being mid-season + a few notable busts/players like Puig not performing... all 30 teams might not be beating down the gates to sign him. Again. My opinion. We are simply discussing.
Granderson RF
Cabrera SS
Cespedes CF
Walker 2B
Flores 3B
Loney 1B
Reynolds LF
Rivera C
Syndergaard P
Sure. But once I showed you exactly where I got it from I assumed we were both admitting what the exact quote was. It wasn't like I was hiding it from you. Should have been dropped right there. I dont remember word for word everything Ive ever read when having a discussion. I also never even read the Heyman piece. Cerrone's sentence is a little misleading which is typical for him which I thought I also laughed at a bit. Whatever.
Day game after a night game = normal
Speaking of TDA, I didnt like his new stance last night. Annoys me a bit how often he adjusts his swing.
Matt Reynolds making pro debut in outfield. Did a little in spring training and has been working on live reads in BP
“He’s in shape, he’s hitting, he looked great,” one scout said. “He could help that lineup.”
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Was he one of the players the Mets needed to gamble on over slot to entice him? I remember you posted three or four names that the Mets had to sign to make this draft more interesting.
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Was he one of the players the Mets needed to gamble on over slot to entice him? I remember you posted three or four names that the Mets had to sign to make this draft more interesting.
I had never heard of him before the draft. None of the experts had much about him. Had a solid scholarship to Nevada so he could be pretty decent in a few years. The 3 "big" names are Planck, Cleveland and Cortes. Cortes has basically said he's going to school. The money doesn't seem to be there for both Planck and Cleveland so hopefully 1/2.
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Yeah so probably looks like one or the other? Holderman did agree though right? Its not official yet though?
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of right now the Mets are only about 45,000 in surplus (waiting on Alonso, Kay, Paez) but it's hard to see how they would save enough on those 3 that Cleveland and Planck both sign. Planck claims he already turned down nearly 500,000
Yeah so probably looks like one or the other? Holderman did agree though right? Its not official yet though?
Holderman signed and is in Kingsport, received 400,000 to sign. I've spoken 29th rounder Alex Haynes a few times and he said the Mets aren't sure if they can sign either Cleveland or Planck and if they can't they will call him with an offer.
As I mentioned in last nights thread, there has been no news here since basically draft day. his asking price was nearly twice what the Mets offered him.
Valencia 2015 2.2 fWAR over 105 games
Valencia 2016 1.2 fWAR over 50 games
He also was worth 2.0 fWAR in 2010 in only 85 games and 0.9 fWAR in 2013 with the Orioles in only 52 games. His value has been bubbling to the surface for a while now. His emergence shouldn't be "that" shocking.
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As I mentioned in last nights thread, there has been no news here since basically draft day. his asking price was nearly twice what the Mets offered him.
Is the draft round a typo? Mets offered a THIRTY-THIRD round pick $500K, and he turned it down because he's looking for $1 mill?
Where does a 33rd round pick get the balls asking for so much money? Is there a reason he dropped so much (ie, is he a boras client or something)?
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As I mentioned in last nights thread, there has been no news here since basically draft day. his asking price was nearly twice what the Mets offered him.
Is the draft round a typo? Mets offered a THIRTY-THIRD round pick $500K, and he turned it down because he's looking for $1 mill?
Where does a 33rd round pick get the balls asking for so much money? Is there a reason he dropped so much (ie, is he a boras client or something)?
He's there in the 33rd round because he's asking for X. They were prepared to draft him in the 3rd round at 500K and he balked, they drafted him anyway (33rd) likely as a backup plan in case one of the high picks decided not to sign.
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As I mentioned in last nights thread, there has been no news here since basically draft day. his asking price was nearly twice what the Mets offered him.
Is the draft round a typo? Mets offered a THIRTY-THIRD round pick $500K, and he turned it down because he's looking for $1 mill?
Where does a 33rd round pick get the balls asking for so much money? Is there a reason he dropped so much (ie, is he a boras client or something)?
All part of the game Speedy and part of what makes the baseball draft so unique. Plenty of talented high school players perfectly content to go to college and improve their stock even more unless they are blown away by money over-slot by a major league team.
Thanks arc, I hope you're right - Noah is our clear ace and was more concerned than looking for something.
I think he could play 3B. Said he would, IIRC.
Once a player goes up drafted at the level he feels he is "worth", the only way a team drafts him is purely in the hope they may be able to have enough to go over slot, or the demands were a bluff.
I think he could play 3B. Said he would, IIRC.
I think he'd sign with the Mets as the BP catcher
What the fuck kind of name is "Chelsor" anyway.
Christ...
you just described 1/2 of our position players
ha!
Get him to see Confortos doctor
please don't be serious injury
please don't be serious injury
please don't be serious injury...
Cespedes and Syndergaard left together to go see the doctor.
Even when the Mets are good, it sucks being a Mets fan.
That being said, if Noah's elbow is going to go at some point this year I would rather it be now so he can contribute in some form next year.
Is this a sick joke?
Is this a sick joke?
Being a Mets fan...that's the sick joke.
That being said, if Noah's elbow is going to go at some point this year I would rather it be now so he can contribute in some form next year.
If Noah or Ces go down, it WILL be the season...
Steven Matz, who reported elbow soreness in last start, said his bullpen went fine today. That is all for this episode of good #Mets news
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Juan Lagares said he will try baseball activities when goes to PSL tonight. "I feel good. Won't try to do too much, but can do some.
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This is at least the 4th time since May 2014 that Noah Syndergaard has gone for an MRI on his elbow. He went on AAA DL then for that too.
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The Mets are unlikely to offer any more details on Wednesday night regarding the injuries to Noah Syndergaard, Yoenis Cespedes and Zack Wheeler, a team official said. All three were examined on Wednesday by team doctors at the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan.
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Mets do plan to announce tonight that Noah Syndergaard and Yoenis Cespedes are both expected to avoid the DL.
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Noah Syndergaard put a photo on Instragram this evening with the caption: "Happy elbows for me and mini Thor," while posing with a young lookalike. I suppose that's a positive.
Plus, he had elbow and forearm pain his last season at AAA. So, this is nothing new.
I'm more worried about Matz not being able to throw the slider. They should give him a few starts off. I guess they were originally trying to wait for Wheeler to do that
#Mets announce no structural damage for Syndergaard. Just elbow discomfort. Taking anti-inflammatory med. Cleared to resume normal routine.
Seems to be good news on Noah and Cespedes...Met OF got a cortisone shot day to day while Noah cleared to resume baseball activities
Cespedes diagnosed with sprain of left wrist. Cortisone shot. Day-to-day.
Cespedes diagnosed with sprain of left wrist. Cortisone shot. Day-to-day. #mets
Zack Wheeler update: Sensory nerve irritation; no structural issues. Received cortisone injection; can resume rehab when he feels ready.
Wheeler diagnosed w sensory nerve irritation of right elbow. No structural issue. Cortisone injection. Resume activity as tolerated
I would think you can count out Cespedes for at least a couple of games as cortisone shots usually means that
All things considered, this is the best news we possibly could have hoped for. If Cespedes missing a few days (and we have ATL coming up now.. yes, I know they just swept us but c'mon) is the worst news we get here, we should be pretty thankful.
Between all this, the negative x-rays on Flo and Bart... it seems like we're finally getting a little luck in this department for the first time in what seems like forever. I think we were all expecting much worse because we're conditioned to at this point.
Obviously, now that I trust in them they're going to sucker punch me in the stomach
Who is this "Jose" you speak of?
Obviously, now that I trust in them they're going to sucker punch me in the stomach
I think the original lineup was less than the sum of its parts. Too many lefty pull hitters. Too many high K guys. No speed. Then add in that Duda and Grandy were not drawing walks like they usually did. Also, add in that the HR barrage made them a little too HR happy, and I think the team just got in a funk. Grandy is what, 1 for 23 with RISP and two outs? Walker seems like he has not had a hit in a big spot since April. Conforto is struggling to adjust to the 4 seamer inside standing closer to the plate.
I also think the expectations are making guys press a little bit too much. That's why I think a guy like Reyes with his carefree demeanor would be great for this team.
He has such a quick bat.
And he almost got away with it, too. If it weren't for that meddling PR guy.
As Collins was wrapping up his postgame presser on Wednesday after a 4-3 win over the Kansas City Royals, Collins was standing up to leave without having faced any questions about his star pitcher's elbow issues, which reporters were clearly unaware of.
Then Collins, after being told something off-camera, sat back down, clearly exasperated."What? There wasn't any questions on it. Oh, Jesus. ... The puppy dog wants you guys to now that, uh, Noah Syndergaard's seeing the doctor. His elbow flared up on him. That's why I took him out of the game," Collins said, before quickly exiting.
The "puppy dog" in question was longtime Mets PR guru Jay Horwitz and the whole incident caught the eye of plenty of people, including Mike Francesa, who ranted about it on his show Wednesday.
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Maybe Jose joins us just in time for the Nats and gives us a little spark at the right time. :)
Who is this "Jose" you speak of?