Ackert makes it sound like the Mets badly want to bring Reyes back (with Jeff leading the charge). I see a lot of Reyes vs. Gurriel (the proper spelling despite what some are writing in the media) but given the near zero $ cost Reyes will likely cost the answer should be BOTH not one or the other.
Ackert makes it sound like the Mets badly want to bring Reyes back (with Jeff leading the charge). I see a lot of Reyes vs. Gurriel (the proper spelling despite what some are writing in the media) but given the near zero $ cost Reyes will likely cost the answer should be BOTH not one or the other.
Yeah, if this is a "one or the other" situation it should only be because of fit but as far as I'm concerned, you add the talent and worry about where they slot after. Reyes sounds like he really wants to come back regardless of role. We could really use his speed. David fucking Wright still leads this team in SB's with a whopping 3. But I also think the Mets need to add Gourriel. These are two guys who can help the lineup and won't cost any prospects (and in Reyes' case, won't even really cost any money)
Ackert makes it sound like the Mets badly want to bring Reyes back (with Jeff leading the charge). I see a lot of Reyes vs. Gurriel (the proper spelling despite what some are writing in the media) but given the near zero $ cost Reyes will likely cost the answer should be BOTH not one or the other.
Yeah, if this is a "one or the other" situation it should only be because of fit but as far as I'm concerned, you add the talent and worry about where they slot after. Reyes sounds like he really wants to come back regardless of role. We could really use his speed. David fucking Wright still leads this team in SB's with a whopping 3. But I also think the Mets need to add Gourriel. These are two guys who can help the lineup and won't cost any prospects (and in Reyes' case, won't even really cost any money)
Gotta do it.
Yeah I mean if Reyes wants to return that badly let him know he will play as much as his production allows. Gurriel isn't even likely going to be MLB ready for 3-4 weeks and who knows if he hits right away? Reyes could represent a short term "now" move and it's not as if Cabrera has been so incredible that the idea of Reyes playing over him is outrageous.
Reports have come out that Jose Reyes is said to be desperate to return to the team who signed him out of the Dominican Republic in 1999. Reyes has made it known that he has pined to come back to the team he left in 2011 for the big money contract he desired and eventually found with the Miami Marlins. Mike Puma of the New York Post spoke with some individuals who are familiar with the situation and who have spoken to Reyes as well regarding his current situation. Link - ( New Window )
The Dodgers held a private workout for free agent Cuban infielder Yulieski Gurriel today, according to a source, and Gurriel posted a photo of himself at Dodger Stadium on his Instagram account. The 32-year-old infielder also has a workout lined up with the New York Mets and at least one other team, according to the source.
Gurriel was only declared a free agent eight days ago. He won’t sign anywhere today since Major League Baseball prohibits international free agents from signing before July 2, but he could become a factor for some team down the stretch.
Supposedly he wants about 11 million annually. With his age he might only be getting a 2 year deal. So 2 years 22 million but we should recoup about 5 million from Wright this year and possibly a lot more from Wright next year depending on what he does. Really a no brainer for me.
When we brought in KJ and Uribe last year, Duda went into Collins' office and asked if Johnson was brought in to take his place. Collins told Lucas that he'd be the one to dictate that. Luke responded big time.
Nothing wrong with pushing these guys to earn their PT. Droobs has been good for us this year but it's not like he's an elite SS. Bring Jose back, whoever is producing will be in the lineup. Make everyone push each other. This lineup needs to step up across the board. Cespedes is the only guy who has really carried his weight all season long. Walker has been good as well but that's really it.
Supposedly he wants about 11 million annually. With his age he might only be getting a 2 year deal. So 2 years 22 million but we should recoup about 5 million from Wright this year and possibly a lot more from Wright next year depending on what he does. Really a no brainer for me.
I've yet to see his asking price. Where did you see this? I only saw an "unnamed source" tell Harper he would only offer 2 years 10-11 per not that Gurriel would take that.
From that same Harper item, two scouts discussed Cuban superstar Yulieski Gurriel, noting that while Gurriel has looked impressive in the past, they would need a fresh look given Gurriel’s age (32). That age will surely limit the size of Gurriel’s eventual contract, as “even if he looks good in a workout, I wouldn’t give him more than two years,” one scout said, though he did predict an average annual value for Gurriel in the range of $10-$11MM per season. As one former Mets player anonymously told Harper, Gurriel makes a lot of sense for New York to replace the injured David Wright at third base.
If they don't add Gourriel, Reyes is unlikely to make enough of a difference to make this a Championship caliber lineup so we're going to have to then make a deal at the deadline for a bat and lose prospects. I'd love to have someone like Valencia in the lineup but Valencia for legit assets vs. Gourriel for nothing but cash is a no brainer for me.
If they don't add Gourriel, Reyes is unlikely to make enough of a difference to make this a Championship caliber lineup so we're going to have to then make a deal at the deadline for a bat and lose prospects. I'd love to have someone like Valencia in the lineup but Valencia for legit assets vs. Gourriel for nothing but cash is a no brainer for me.
He hit .335 with a .417 on-base percentage, .580 slugging percentage and 250 home runs in 5,491 plate appearances during 15 professional seasons between Cuba and Japan, according to Baseball-Reference.
Gourriel will likely command between $10 million and $11 million per season, however because of his age, it is possible he isn't worth more than a two-year deal, one scout recently told New York Daily News reporter John Harper.
Two team sources told the New York Post's Joel Sherman in early June that the Mets have not ruled out pursuing Gourriel even though they are not likely to sign him.
He hit .335 with a .417 on-base percentage, .580 slugging percentage and 250 home runs in 5,491 plate appearances during 15 professional seasons between Cuba and Japan, according to Baseball-Reference.
Gourriel will likely command between $10 million and $11 million per season, however because of his age, it is possible he isn't worth more than a two-year deal, one scout recently told New York Daily News reporter John Harper.
Two team sources told the New York Post's Joel Sherman in early June that the Mets have not ruled out pursuing Gourriel even though they are not likely to sign him.
Read Harper's piece. That summary you posted just isn't accurate. Those are the numbers/years unnamed scouts would give him not what he's asking for. They are saying because of his age/risk.
"“It’s more of an issue when a guy is listed at 32,” one scout said. “It’s not like someone who says he’s 22 and turns out to be 24 or 25. At 32 an extra year or two matters a lot more. You have to see if the athleticism is still there.
“Even if he looks good in a workout, I wouldn’t give him more than two years. The cost would depend on how many clubs get involved, but based on what some of the other (Cuban defectors) have gotten, it figures to be $10-$11 million a year, depending on the length.”
Not that he's only asking for 2 years 10-11 per. If that were the case 15+ teams would be interested and he'd be signed by now.
is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe they view him as a piece for next year. They need a 3B.
Sort of a ball park starting point possibly... How much higher could it go? 15 million per? 3 years?
I'm really not arguing semantics here. You suggested he's "asking" for 2 years 10-11. Olivera just got 62.5 million over 6 years and he wasn't as good as Gurriel in Cuba (30 vs. 32). Obviously I have no idea if Gurriel's plan is to get as many years as possible OR get a quick bigger money deal and then hit FA again once he's proven but 2 years 20-22 seems unrealistically light in either scenario.
is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe they view him as a piece for next year. They need a 3B.
They do, but they're stuck paying Headley for 2 more years. I'm not sure what they'd do with him. No one is taking his contract.
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is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe they view him as a piece for next year. They need a 3B.
They do, but they're stuck paying Headley for 2 more years. I'm not sure what they'd do with him. No one is taking his contract.
Many people believe Gurriel can be at least average at 2b.
I mean I wasn't really offering my opinion one way or the other Â
I scour the internet daily and was just going off a few blurbs Ive read. Most outlets seem to think because of his age he'll only get a 2-3 year deal. Im certainly aware it could be more.
As far as the annual amount. No Cuban player has ever gotten more than 10 million out the box. Scout thinks he might want 11. So lets get crazy and say 15. Its still a relatively small commitment was my point. I would be shocked if he got anything close 4 and 60 which is still essentially what we paid for Granderson for a second tier talent.
is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe they view him as a piece for next year. They need a 3B.
They do, but they're stuck paying Headley for 2 more years. I'm not sure what they'd do with him. No one is taking his contract.
Many people believe Gurriel can be at least average at 2b.
Right, but then what about Castro? I mean the guy has been shitty but I think the Yankees know they're not contending within the next 2 years. It just doesn't make much sense to me.
I scour the internet daily and was just going off a few blurbs Ive read. Most outlets seem to think because of his age he'll only get a 2-3 year deal. Im certainly aware it could be more.
As far as the annual amount. No Cuban player has ever gotten more than 10 million out the box. Scout thinks he might want 11. So lets get crazy and say 15. Its still a relatively small commitment was my point. I would be shocked if he got anything close 4 and 60 which is still essentially what we paid for Granderson for a second tier talent.
Jose Abreu got 11.3 per season (before the 2014 season) and he got 6 years on top of that. Olivera got 10.4 again at 6 years guaranteed. Gurriel isn't taking 2 years 20-22 million unless he's absolutely awful in workouts and everyone comes away unimpressed.
You're right... a couple have juuuuust gone past 10. Castillo and Tomas appear to be busts also. If anything that might help the situation. It makes sense that he would want to get the highest amount annually as maybe a badge of pride but I dont think its going MUCH past that. There's also likely a much smaller market due to his age and the fact that this is happening mid-season. Contenders are likely the only teams looking to add him.
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Seems way too risky to me. Doesn't adjust right away and looks "meh" he's hitting the FA market with the stink of not looking good. Right now he has the air of mystery, the Cuban league track record. It's conceivable he wouldn't even take his first MLB AB until August and who says he hits the ground running?
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Seems way too risky to me. Doesn't adjust right away and looks "meh" he's hitting the FA market with the stink of not looking good. Right now he has the air of mystery, the Cuban league track record. It's conceivable he wouldn't even take his first MLB AB until August and who says he hits the ground running?
Definitely a risk, just have to think right now there are a lot of teams who aren't all that interested due to some combination of his age, their record, and having money already committed to the position. His age is what it is but the other 2 factors would open up more possibilities in the offseason. If he's killing workouts and teams are lining up it's 1 thing, but if his workouts are just "meh" and they're not, who knows? We all thought teams would be lining up for Yo after his 2nd half last year and while he definitely wanted to be a Met, he certainly wasn't as in demand as we all expected.
Is Matz making his next start? It's kind of worrisome that this is the 2nd time already that he's feeling twinges/discomfort in his elbow. Starting to feel like it's only a matter of time. :/
that 11 million. I showed you were I read it. A scout is saying "likely command". That's where I got it from. It could be more. Great. Cool beans.
What? You responded and I didn't. Then you responded again. What are you talking about?
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You're right... a couple have juuuuust gone past 10. Castillo and Tomas appear to be busts also. If anything that might help the situation. It makes sense that he would want to get the highest amount annually as maybe a badge of pride but I dont think its going MUCH past that. There's also likely a much smaller market due to his age and the fact that this is happening mid-season. Contenders are likely the only teams looking to add him.
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for a few months and then hit the open market.
Seems way too risky to me. Doesn't adjust right away and looks "meh" he's hitting the FA market with the stink of not looking good. Right now he has the air of mystery, the Cuban league track record. It's conceivable he wouldn't even take his first MLB AB until August and who says he hits the ground running?
Man. You are really on my nuts today about
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that 11 million. I showed you were I read it. A scout is saying "likely command". That's where I got it from. It could be more. Great. Cool beans.
Cespedes was performing, Puig was performing, Abreu had an incredible first year.... Cuba was sort of viewed as some golden land for players. Teams started getting a little nutty.
Fast forward a few years and Puig is sucking ass. Abreu is meh. Tomas meh. Castillo sucks...
The track record suddenly isn't that hot.
Gourriel cant sign until July 1st anyway but I do kind of get the sense that teams aren't going to be lining up for him. We know three teams are bringing him in for a showcase so far.
Is Matz making his next start? It's kind of worrisome that this is the 2nd time already that he's feeling twinges/discomfort in his elbow. Starting to feel like it's only a matter of time. :/
anything you oddly have a bug up your ass with me simply asking for the link suggesting him "wanting" 10-11 million because I had not seen that. I wasn't being snarky at all. Instead of simply admitting you read it wrong/stated it wrong you got all defensive. Then you said no Cuban players have ever received more than 10 million per (which also wasn't true) but I didn't exactly rip you for it.
Cespedes was performing, Puig was performing, Abreu had an incredible first year.... Cuba was sort of viewed as some golden land for players. Teams started getting a little nutty.
Fast forward a few years and Puig is sucking ass. Abreu is meh. Tomas meh. Castillo sucks...
The track record suddenly isn't that hot.
Gourriel cant sign until July 1st anyway but I do kind of get the sense that teams aren't going to be lining up for him. We know three teams are bringing him in for a showcase so far.
Moncada looks incredible, Jose Abreu slow start to his season and all is still a career 144 OPS+ hitter and an absolute steal at 11.4 million per, Cespedes is a superstar. You stated he's asking for a very low number, I wanted to see this in print and it turned out to be false.
are also ignoring the huge money teams are pouring into "lesser" named and less proven guys. Soler got 30 million, Dodgers gave Yusniel Diaz 15.5 million, Dodgers gave Pablo Fernandez 8 million, Dodgers gave Yasiel Sierra 6 years 30, Reds gave Iglesias 7 years 27 million. These Cuban players are still getting loads of money.
are also ignoring the huge money teams are pouring into "lesser" named and less proven guys. Soler got 30 million, Dodgers gave Yusniel Diaz 15.5 million, Dodgers gave Pablo Fernandez 8 million, Dodgers gave Yasiel Sierra 6 years 30, Reds gave Iglesias 7 years 27 million. These Cuban players are still getting loads of money.
are also ignoring the huge money teams are pouring into "lesser" named and less proven guys. Soler got 30 million, Dodgers gave Yusniel Diaz 15.5 million, Dodgers gave Pablo Fernandez 8 million, Dodgers gave Yasiel Sierra 6 years 30, Reds gave Iglesias 7 years 27 million. These Cuban players are still getting loads of money.
Great!
Again. Why the attitude? I'm giving you evidence that that "hot" Cuban market is still hot. The Dodgers went over their limit to sign Diaz which means he cost them 31 million, Omar Estevez got 6 million to sign, 6 million in overage for 12 million bucks total.
Yeah, if this is a "one or the other" situation it should only be because of fit but as far as I'm concerned, you add the talent and worry about where they slot after. Reyes sounds like he really wants to come back regardless of role. We could really use his speed. David fucking Wright still leads this team in SB's with a whopping 3. But I also think the Mets need to add Gourriel. These are two guys who can help the lineup and won't cost any prospects (and in Reyes' case, won't even really cost any money)
Gotta do it.
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Ackert makes it sound like the Mets badly want to bring Reyes back (with Jeff leading the charge). I see a lot of Reyes vs. Gurriel (the proper spelling despite what some are writing in the media) but given the near zero $ cost Reyes will likely cost the answer should be BOTH not one or the other.
Yeah, if this is a "one or the other" situation it should only be because of fit but as far as I'm concerned, you add the talent and worry about where they slot after. Reyes sounds like he really wants to come back regardless of role. We could really use his speed. David fucking Wright still leads this team in SB's with a whopping 3. But I also think the Mets need to add Gourriel. These are two guys who can help the lineup and won't cost any prospects (and in Reyes' case, won't even really cost any money)
Gotta do it.
Yeah I mean if Reyes wants to return that badly let him know he will play as much as his production allows. Gurriel isn't even likely going to be MLB ready for 3-4 weeks and who knows if he hits right away? Reyes could represent a short term "now" move and it's not as if Cabrera has been so incredible that the idea of Reyes playing over him is outrageous.
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Gurriel was only declared a free agent eight days ago. He won’t sign anywhere today since Major League Baseball prohibits international free agents from signing before July 2, but he could become a factor for some team down the stretch.
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Nothing wrong with pushing these guys to earn their PT. Droobs has been good for us this year but it's not like he's an elite SS. Bring Jose back, whoever is producing will be in the lineup. Make everyone push each other. This lineup needs to step up across the board. Cespedes is the only guy who has really carried his weight all season long. Walker has been good as well but that's really it.
I've yet to see his asking price. Where did you see this? I only saw an "unnamed source" tell Harper he would only offer 2 years 10-11 per not that Gurriel would take that.
If they don't add Gourriel, Reyes is unlikely to make enough of a difference to make this a Championship caliber lineup so we're going to have to then make a deal at the deadline for a bat and lose prospects. I'd love to have someone like Valencia in the lineup but Valencia for legit assets vs. Gourriel for nothing but cash is a no brainer for me.
If they don't add Gourriel, Reyes is unlikely to make enough of a difference to make this a Championship caliber lineup so we're going to have to then make a deal at the deadline for a bat and lose prospects. I'd love to have someone like Valencia in the lineup but Valencia for legit assets vs. Gourriel for nothing but cash is a no brainer for me.
Yup. Exactly. Reyes will not be enough.
Gourriel will likely command between $10 million and $11 million per season, however because of his age, it is possible he isn't worth more than a two-year deal, one scout recently told New York Daily News reporter John Harper.
Two team sources told the New York Post's Joel Sherman in early June that the Mets have not ruled out pursuing Gourriel even though they are not likely to sign him.
Gourriel will likely command between $10 million and $11 million per season, however because of his age, it is possible he isn't worth more than a two-year deal, one scout recently told New York Daily News reporter John Harper.
Two team sources told the New York Post's Joel Sherman in early June that the Mets have not ruled out pursuing Gourriel even though they are not likely to sign him.
Read Harper's piece. That summary you posted just isn't accurate. Those are the numbers/years unnamed scouts would give him not what he's asking for. They are saying because of his age/risk.
“Even if he looks good in a workout, I wouldn’t give him more than two years. The cost would depend on how many clubs get involved, but based on what some of the other (Cuban defectors) have gotten, it figures to be $10-$11 million a year, depending on the length.”
Not that he's only asking for 2 years 10-11 per. If that were the case 15+ teams would be interested and he'd be signed by now.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
Sort of a ball park starting point possibly... How much higher could it go? 15 million per? 3 years?
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is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe they view him as a piece for next year. They need a 3B.
Sort of a ball park starting point possibly... How much higher could it go? 15 million per? 3 years?
I'm really not arguing semantics here. You suggested he's "asking" for 2 years 10-11. Olivera just got 62.5 million over 6 years and he wasn't as good as Gurriel in Cuba (30 vs. 32). Obviously I have no idea if Gurriel's plan is to get as many years as possible OR get a quick bigger money deal and then hit FA again once he's proven but 2 years 20-22 seems unrealistically light in either scenario.
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is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe they view him as a piece for next year. They need a 3B.
They do, but they're stuck paying Headley for 2 more years. I'm not sure what they'd do with him. No one is taking his contract.
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is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe they view him as a piece for next year. They need a 3B.
They do, but they're stuck paying Headley for 2 more years. I'm not sure what they'd do with him. No one is taking his contract.
Many people believe Gurriel can be at least average at 2b.
As far as the annual amount. No Cuban player has ever gotten more than 10 million out the box. Scout thinks he might want 11. So lets get crazy and say 15. Its still a relatively small commitment was my point. I would be shocked if he got anything close 4 and 60 which is still essentially what we paid for Granderson for a second tier talent.
good thing turner has been raging hot lately for the dodgers
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is the Yankees. Supposedly Chapman is recruiting him big time and he grew up a Yankee fan idolizing A-Rod.
Just don't see what the point would be for them. This isn't a young player you're looking to sign L/T and be part of the future. He's already 32 (or so they say...) and I think most teams would be looking at him for 2-3 years as someone who could help win right now. Chapman might not even be a Yankee in a month so his recruitment could essentially be meaningless.
I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense but maybe they view him as a piece for next year. They need a 3B.
They do, but they're stuck paying Headley for 2 more years. I'm not sure what they'd do with him. No one is taking his contract.
Many people believe Gurriel can be at least average at 2b.
Right, but then what about Castro? I mean the guy has been shitty but I think the Yankees know they're not contending within the next 2 years. It just doesn't make much sense to me.
As far as the annual amount. No Cuban player has ever gotten more than 10 million out the box. Scout thinks he might want 11. So lets get crazy and say 15. Its still a relatively small commitment was my point. I would be shocked if he got anything close 4 and 60 which is still essentially what we paid for Granderson for a second tier talent.
Jose Abreu got 11.3 per season (before the 2014 season) and he got 6 years on top of that. Olivera got 10.4 again at 6 years guaranteed. Gurriel isn't taking 2 years 20-22 million unless he's absolutely awful in workouts and everyone comes away unimpressed.
Seems way too risky to me. Doesn't adjust right away and looks "meh" he's hitting the FA market with the stink of not looking good. Right now he has the air of mystery, the Cuban league track record. It's conceivable he wouldn't even take his first MLB AB until August and who says he hits the ground running?
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for a few months and then hit the open market.
Seems way too risky to me. Doesn't adjust right away and looks "meh" he's hitting the FA market with the stink of not looking good. Right now he has the air of mystery, the Cuban league track record. It's conceivable he wouldn't even take his first MLB AB until August and who says he hits the ground running?
Definitely a risk, just have to think right now there are a lot of teams who aren't all that interested due to some combination of his age, their record, and having money already committed to the position. His age is what it is but the other 2 factors would open up more possibilities in the offseason. If he's killing workouts and teams are lining up it's 1 thing, but if his workouts are just "meh" and they're not, who knows? We all thought teams would be lining up for Yo after his 2nd half last year and while he definitely wanted to be a Met, he certainly wasn't as in demand as we all expected.
What? You responded and I didn't. Then you responded again. What are you talking about?
Ok.
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You're right... a couple have juuuuust gone past 10. Castillo and Tomas appear to be busts also. If anything that might help the situation. It makes sense that he would want to get the highest amount annually as maybe a badge of pride but I dont think its going MUCH past that. There's also likely a much smaller market due to his age and the fact that this is happening mid-season. Contenders are likely the only teams looking to add him.
RE: I wonder if Gurriel would take a 1 year deal to showcase himself
DanMetroMan : 10:31 am : link : reply
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for a few months and then hit the open market.
Seems way too risky to me. Doesn't adjust right away and looks "meh" he's hitting the FA market with the stink of not looking good. Right now he has the air of mystery, the Cuban league track record. It's conceivable he wouldn't even take his first MLB AB until August and who says he hits the ground running?
Man. You are really on my nuts today about
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that 11 million. I showed you were I read it. A scout is saying "likely command". That's where I got it from. It could be more. Great. Cool beans.
Fast forward a few years and Puig is sucking ass. Abreu is meh. Tomas meh. Castillo sucks...
The track record suddenly isn't that hot.
Gourriel cant sign until July 1st anyway but I do kind of get the sense that teams aren't going to be lining up for him. We know three teams are bringing him in for a showcase so far.
From what I know yes.
Fast forward a few years and Puig is sucking ass. Abreu is meh. Tomas meh. Castillo sucks...
The track record suddenly isn't that hot.
Gourriel cant sign until July 1st anyway but I do kind of get the sense that teams aren't going to be lining up for him. We know three teams are bringing him in for a showcase so far.
Moncada looks incredible, Jose Abreu slow start to his season and all is still a career 144 OPS+ hitter and an absolute steal at 11.4 million per, Cespedes is a superstar. You stated he's asking for a very low number, I wanted to see this in print and it turned out to be false.
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are also ignoring the huge money teams are pouring into "lesser" named and less proven guys. Soler got 30 million, Dodgers gave Yusniel Diaz 15.5 million, Dodgers gave Pablo Fernandez 8 million, Dodgers gave Yasiel Sierra 6 years 30, Reds gave Iglesias 7 years 27 million. These Cuban players are still getting loads of money.
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Again. Why the attitude? I'm giving you evidence that that "hot" Cuban market is still hot. The Dodgers went over their limit to sign Diaz which means he cost them 31 million, Omar Estevez got 6 million to sign, 6 million in overage for 12 million bucks total.