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NFT: Australian commission: Military cadets raped as initiation

AP in Halfmoon : 6/22/2016 2:26 pm
Tough bunch. I wonder if they do anything similar in the US?

"He said one of the attackers tried to force him to give oral sex, then they held him down while his genitals were covered with boot polish and scrubbed with a hard brush."



http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/21/asia/australia-military-abuse/index.html
Thats  
spike : 6/22/2016 2:32 pm : link
Just messed up.

There are definitely varying forms of hazing  
RC02XX : 6/22/2016 2:41 pm : link
in our military institutions. However, while I can only speak to the service academies and only within the past two to three decades (from those who've gone before me I had worked with), the almost systematic approach to initiation through sexual abuse that appears to have happened in Australia does not happen in the service academies. And I'm not sure that they happen in other institutions like Citadel, VMI, or Norwich.
I'm not sure how meathead logic works.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/22/2016 2:43 pm : link
HS football had a sodomy-as-hazing problem too, and I'm not sure how that becomes a thing that seems like a good idea.
RE: There are definitely varying forms of hazing  
njm : 6/22/2016 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13004593 RC02XX said:
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in our military institutions. However, while I can only speak to the service academies and only within the past two to three decades (from those who've gone before me I had worked with), the almost systematic approach to initiation through sexual abuse that appears to have happened in Australia does not happen in the service academies. And I'm not sure that they happen in other institutions like Citadel, VMI, or Norwich.


Read Rick Atkinson's "The Long Grey Line" a few months back. Extensive look at the West Point Class of '66 from the academy through Viet Nam and thereafter. He reported a lot of hazing, but none of it involving sexual abuse.
Now don't get me wrong...  
RC02XX : 6/22/2016 3:01 pm : link
there may be those outlier cases where you have sadistic fucks getting their kicks out of it, and it may have happened in the past and may happen in isolated cases even today. However, they're definitely not systematic or even ignored. Now hazing...yeah, some of them still go on, but the definition of hazing seems to be pretty ambiguous these days.
There's been stories  
Rocky369 : 6/22/2016 3:09 pm : link
at these "other institutions." Within the last twenty years, there was no blatant sodomy, but throwing someone out in the courtyard in the middle of winter tied to chair or broomsticks, was probably the "norm." Some were okay with it, others quit because of it.
I saw plenty of what would be considered hazing in the military  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2016 3:28 pm : link
But none of it was of a sexual nature. It was things like pinning and pounding in blood stripes. Painful, but not dangerous or degrading, and not sexual in any way.
RE: I saw plenty of what would be considered hazing in the military  
Scyber : 6/22/2016 3:34 pm : link
In comment 13004752 Greg from LI said:
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But none of it was of a sexual nature. It was things like pinning and pounding in blood stripes. Painful, but not dangerous or degrading, and not sexual in any way.


Everything is sexual to someone
being punched on the chevrons or kneed in the side of the legs  
Greg from LI : 6/22/2016 3:38 pm : link
would only be considered sexual by an extreme weirdo
I was in a high school  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 3:39 pm : link
fraternity where there was plenty of hazing, nothing sexual per se, but a lot of naked stuff. Nothing like this which is disgusting besides being criminal.

small representation of what we had to do:

streaking (many times, once I had to walk in naked to cumberland farms and shoplift something; anything)

gooping (totally naked lay on the ground and had buckets of puke, urine, horse shit, etc. and worse stuff poured over you)

I was paddled over 1000 times (on the final night of pledge),

I had to tie a string around my privates (just the frank, not the beans) and at the other end of the string I tied a pen and I had to get 100 females in my school to sign a stupid "petition". by the end of the day word got out what was going on and it wasn't pleasant.

more stuff like that which wasn't sexual per se, but was degrading hazing nonetheless and nothing like what is being described in this article.

High school fraternity?  
ron mexico : 6/22/2016 3:44 pm : link
?
RE: High school fraternity?  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 3:46 pm : link
In comment 13004813 ron mexico said:
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?


Not common, my school had them though all the way back to the 50's.
This is hilarious  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/22/2016 3:47 pm : link
"I had to tie a string around my privates (just the frank, not the beans) and at the other end of the string I tied a pen and I had to get 100 females in my school to sign a stupid "petition"."

Did you get an erection???? bahahahah
RE: This is hilarious  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 3:51 pm : link
In comment 13004831 AP in Halfmoon said:
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"I had to tie a string around my privates (just the frank, not the beans) and at the other end of the string I tied a pen and I had to get 100 females in my school to sign a stupid "petition"."

Did you get an erection???? bahahahah


No, not even close. though at that age any time a female is even thinking about your junk it's practically a sexual encounter, this was anything but. it was humiliating and painful. I got through about 70 names before word spread.

so it only lasted maybe 45 minutes where people in the fraternity would call attention to it and while on pledge it was a situation where if a fraternity member told you to do something you had to do it.

I had to cut one guys lawn at his house with a scissors. that was a great way to spend 8 hours and cover about 40 square feet.
Does not happen at my Alma Mater, Norwich...  
BamaBlue : 6/22/2016 4:32 pm : link
The closest I have ever come to seeing hazing bordering on torture was the Prop-Blast at the 82d Airborne Division. I'm not going to be "that guy," so I'll leave it with an admission that I participated as a "Blastee" and a "Blastor" (yeah, not the same way BBI describes it, so forget that). It never got perverted, but it did involve an initiation over several weeks, a lot of physical pain and a punch bowl ceremony.
RE: I was in a high school  
BMac : 6/22/2016 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13004799 pjcas18 said:
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fraternity where there was plenty of hazing, nothing sexual per se, but a lot of naked stuff. Nothing like this which is disgusting besides being criminal.

small representation of what we had to do:

streaking (many times, once I had to walk in naked to cumberland farms and shoplift something; anything)

gooping (totally naked lay on the ground and had buckets of puke, urine, horse shit, etc. and worse stuff poured over you)

I was paddled over 1000 times (on the final night of pledge),

I had to tie a string around my privates (just the frank, not the beans) and at the other end of the string I tied a pen and I had to get 100 females in my school to sign a stupid "petition". by the end of the day word got out what was going on and it wasn't pleasant.

more stuff like that which wasn't sexual per se, but was degrading hazing nonetheless and nothing like what is being described in this article.


No reflection or judging, pj, but I cannot fathom doing any of that. The first crap that was pulled and I would have gone apeshit on the guy (and probably get my ass handed to me by the group).
RE: RE: I was in a high school  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2016 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13005003 BMac said:
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In comment 13004799 pjcas18 said:


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fraternity where there was plenty of hazing, nothing sexual per se, but a lot of naked stuff. Nothing like this which is disgusting besides being criminal.

small representation of what we had to do:

streaking (many times, once I had to walk in naked to cumberland farms and shoplift something; anything)

gooping (totally naked lay on the ground and had buckets of puke, urine, horse shit, etc. and worse stuff poured over you)

I was paddled over 1000 times (on the final night of pledge),

I had to tie a string around my privates (just the frank, not the beans) and at the other end of the string I tied a pen and I had to get 100 females in my school to sign a stupid "petition". by the end of the day word got out what was going on and it wasn't pleasant.

more stuff like that which wasn't sexual per se, but was degrading hazing nonetheless and nothing like what is being described in this article.




No reflection or judging, pj, but I cannot fathom doing any of that. The first crap that was pulled and I would have gone apeshit on the guy (and probably get my ass handed to me by the group).


Sadly, it was a choice. like most (all?) fraternities, you have to be invited to pledge, and then accept. I knew pretty much what I was getting into and at the time decided it was something I wanted to do.

I wish I could say it was the dumbest thing I did as an adolescent/young man, but my youth was littered with bad decisions.

Not relating it to rape or sexual assault like in Australia in the OP, just the relating to the hazing angle. I was a bad kid, but I'd never cross that line.
^^^^^^^^^^  
BamaBlue : 6/22/2016 4:39 pm : link
Prop-blast is not a blood wings ceremony. That's a different one time good deal at the 82nd. When you graduate from the Army's Jumpmaster course and qualify for your Senior Parachutist wings, you get a one time lineup from senior (by time as a jumpmaster, not rank) in your Company sized unit. The senior jumpmaster places your senior wings over your heart without the tits (backings). Very sweet time as the other jumpmasters take their turn. The real jerk-offs pull the wings out and reseat them.
RE: RE: RE: I was in a high school  
BMac : 6/22/2016 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13005014 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13005003 BMac said:


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In comment 13004799 pjcas18 said:


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Sadly, it was a choice. like most (all?) fraternities, you have to be invited to pledge, and then accept. I knew pretty much what I was getting into and at the time decided it was something I wanted to do.

I wish I could say it was the dumbest thing I did as an adolescent/young man, but my youth was littered with bad decisions.

Not relating it to rape or sexual assault like in Australia in the OP, just the relating to the hazing angle. I was a bad kid, but I'd never cross that line.


We could probably have a pretty good contest on dumb shit pulled when we were kids!
I did a lot of stupid shit...  
Chris in Philly : 6/22/2016 7:26 pm : link
in my days, but none of them involved getting naked for my buddies to throw shit and puke on thankfully...
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