a Bulls fan. I like it from our perspective. So many people here follow the NBA a lot more closely than I do, so I will defer to other opinions. But it seems like the Bulls just gave up on Rose because of his salary and injury history. The Knicks are willing to take a chance because he has been explosive, and his contract expires after this year. Lopez is probably included because I dont think Noah is returning. I leave it to others to discuss Grant and Calderon.
For next year. Would Have loved it if they got a first. They clearly have a big free agent signing lined up for this year since Calderon is in the deal. Getting rid of Calderon isn't a big deal unless you want him off the books
But what did we give up? Jose (garbage), Grant (can't shoot), Rolo was a FA signing. If it opens up CAP space and helps us attract (because of the name) a Big Time Free Agent is it worth it? If Rose is garbage he goes next year.
That this actually increases flexibility going into next offseason.
And a spot just opened up for Willy H.
Rose could tear his ACL in the preseason and this still wouldn't be a huge fail in my mind. I had 16-17 as a wash to begin with. Give me the increased freedom next offseason.
but dont hate it. Look i know we liked Grant but he was pretty bad last year and isnt nearly as young as most players hitting their second year. I really liked Lopez but im not going to cry over losing him. That said i have zero interest in DH still. But they can go for a PF or C now in FA, not sure who that would be that would excite me though. Plus now we will have even more capspace next year.
Rose returns to form and we have to pay him a ton of money next summer to keep him? WTF? Grant and Lopez were not all - stars, but they were rotation players that were cost controlled on reasonable deals going forward. Now we have barely anyone like that.
You see the move Phil pulled off? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVa6NHwUUg - ( New Window )
Exactly the video that comes to mind. I've watched that video every time I've gotten excited about the Knicks to remind myself that this franchise is a joke.
trade has the highest upside for the Knicks. Rose might return to form. Given his injury history, that is admittedly a big question. But he might, and if he doesnt, hes gone after this season.
Look at what the Bulls got back. Lopez seems serviceable, but he doesnt have the upside of Rose. Those in the know on this board also dont think much of Grant or Calderon. It seems like the Bulls traded Rose and a second round pick for Lopez.
My guess is the trade doesnt produce anything for either team, but it has a better chance of doing so for the Knicks.
id much rather him then DH. Only way i want Dwight is if he is coming for like 2/20 deal (thats 20 total). He can still play but is going to get overpaid based on name.
but that will be must watch TV every game next season if they sign Dwight. You'll never know what you're going to get. Those guys could have huge individual games that lead to wins... or they can all be garbage half the time. Or you'll get to place bets on who gets injured first in any given game. There would always be something to follow with that team.
grant isnt good, calderon is ancient and lopez isnt getting any better
if rose is good then great, if he's not they suck, get a high lotto pick and have a ton of cap room next year
Thought Lopez had a great year and improved his low post scoring. Also disagree a lot about Grant. He was placed in a bad situation. I thought that Horny PnR would be great for him.
That this actually increases flexibility going into next offseason.
And a spot just opened up for Willy H.
Rose could tear his ACL in the preseason and this still wouldn't be a huge fail in my mind. I had 16-17 as a wash to begin with. Give me the increased freedom next offseason.
You could have gotten more flexibility next summer at any time. There's no need to sacrifice Lopez for a broken down player at this point. If you're desperate for cap space next summer flip him for an expiring THEN. Or trade him into space for a late #1 or whatever.
id much rather him then DH. Only way i want Dwight is if he is coming for like 2/20 deal (thats 20 total). He can still play but is going to get overpaid based on name.
Hoford would be huge and awesome - which is exactly why it's not going to happen!
of another one of Phil's "master plans"! Remember how Rose wouldn't go out of his way to help recruit Melo two years ago? Maybe this is how Phil gets Melo to agree to a trade! This is genius!
Grant only got his opportunity after Melo called out Rambis & it was limited at best Lopez was NOT so-so,in fact was a perfect fit for Melo & KP in that he didn't need plays run for him & he picked up the garbage. If Dwight is the apple of Phil's eye, do you think that happens?
when Phil made those comments a few weeks ago about trying to build a contender quickly in a bad Eastern Conference. It was the first time he ever strayed from his standard rebuilding platitudes.
Also, how long will it take for Isola to start harping on the Isiah/Rose Chicago connection?
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I'm on board with getting Dwight at this point. Let's just go full-retard.
we already did. Dwight would be uncharted stupidity. Can't wait to see how much Phil pays him. 4/130?
Probably! I gave up hope on this team long ago.. at this point the funnier, the better.
Knicks getting Derrick Rose, Justin Holiday and a 2017 2nd-round pick for Robin Lopez, Jerian Grant and Jose Calderon.
Seems like a wash to me...Lopez at 13.5, Calderson over 7, Rose about 21, and the two guards offset each other.
You see the move Phil pulled off?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVa6NHwUUg - ( New Window )
if rose is good then great, if he's not they suck, get a high lotto pick and have a ton of cap room next year
4 teams,4 years a D-league star
Knicks getting Derrick Rose, Justin Holiday and a 2017 2nd-round pick for Robin Lopez, Jerian Grant and Jose Calderon.
Frank was a little late today.... Must have been sleeping
And a spot just opened up for Willy H.
Rose could tear his ACL in the preseason and this still wouldn't be a huge fail in my mind. I had 16-17 as a wash to begin with. Give me the increased freedom next offseason.
You see the move Phil pulled off? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVa6NHwUUg - ( New Window )
Hahaha, I'm so glad someone else remembers this. My friend and I joke about it all the time.
I hope Rose doesn't get hurt getting off the plane.
You see the move Phil pulled off? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVa6NHwUUg - ( New Window )
Exactly the video that comes to mind. I've watched that video every time I've gotten excited about the Knicks to remind myself that this franchise is a joke.
Look at what the Bulls got back. Lopez seems serviceable, but he doesnt have the upside of Rose. Those in the know on this board also dont think much of Grant or Calderon. It seems like the Bulls traded Rose and a second round pick for Lopez.
My guess is the trade doesnt produce anything for either team, but it has a better chance of doing so for the Knicks.
KP can play some at C.
KOQ can as well.
Expect Willy H to be on board.
And Phil may have another move lined up.
if rose is good then great, if he's not they suck, get a high lotto pick and have a ton of cap room next year
Thought Lopez had a great year and improved his low post scoring. Also disagree a lot about Grant. He was placed in a bad situation. I thought that Horny PnR would be great for him.
And a spot just opened up for Willy H.
Rose could tear his ACL in the preseason and this still wouldn't be a huge fail in my mind. I had 16-17 as a wash to begin with. Give me the increased freedom next offseason.
You could have gotten more flexibility next summer at any time. There's no need to sacrifice Lopez for a broken down player at this point. If you're desperate for cap space next summer flip him for an expiring THEN. Or trade him into space for a late #1 or whatever.
And am I wrong or does Holiday have a nice 3pt shot?
Hoford would be huge and awesome - which is exactly why it's not going to happen!
If Rose gets to 80% MVP Rose, Melo still is near Melo and KP takes a few steps, the Knicks could be very good.
Maybe they're gonna lose Noah and just got a pretty good C to replace him? Does that make sense? (no sarcasm here.)
Calderon ... is no longer a New York Knick.
Just ... let that wash over you.
And am I wrong or does Holiday have a nice 3pt shot?
I can't speak to his time in the D-League, but in the NBA he doesn't even have an average 2-point shot.
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And am I wrong or does Holiday have a nice 3pt shot?
Shot well for Chicago last year, but was poor the first half of the season (Den?)
I mean Phil could end up looking like a genius or like the second coming of Scott Layden after this.
Calderon ... is no longer a New York Knick.
Just ... let that wash over you.
That was what we said a few years ago with Raymond Felton and that trade didn't turn out so hot.
Grant only got his opportunity after Melo called out Rambis & it was limited at best Lopez was NOT so-so,in fact was a perfect fit for Melo & KP in that he didn't need plays run for him & he picked up the garbage. If Dwight is the apple of Phil's eye, do you think that happens?
Also, how long will it take for Isola to start harping on the Isiah/Rose Chicago connection?
I mean Phil could end up looking like a genius or like the second coming of Scott Layden after this.
We better be getting Whiteside for giving up Lopez and Grant
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Young C who can rebound and block shots.
And am I wrong or does Holiday have a nice 3pt shot?
I can't speak to his time in the D-League, but in the NBA he doesn't even have an average 2-point shot. Holiday stats - ( New Window )
Funny, his 3pt % of .433 is better than his 2pt percentage.