Rose will ever get back to his old form, but if he can at least flash being a good point guard, it is going to work wonders for Carmelo, who has not had a good point guard in his entire tenure with the Knicks.
Fat Baron Davis, Fat Ray Felton, Toney Douglas, 40 year-old Kidd, 20 games from half-retired Billups, rookie Iman Shumpert, 100 year-old Prigioni, Shane Larkin, 2 weeks of Jeremy Lin, cooked Jose Calderon, and rookie Jerian Grant
If Rose can even be decent, Carmelo will have a much easier time scoring.
I'm not a huge fan of Grant, a guy who just doesn't shoot well enough
to be a starter, imo. But I did like Lopez more than many here.
If we can land a C like Whiteside and then a FA next year, I'd say this was a smart move. Of course, if Rose gets healthy this would be a great move too, but I'm not holding my breath.
We also free up some long term money because of Lopez' contract
Exactly the video that comes to mind. I've watched that video every time I've gotten excited about the Knicks to remind myself that this franchise is a joke.
Are you really that shook up about losing Grant, Lopez and Calderon? Really?
Worst case, Rose sucks and he's gone in a year clearing $21 mil of cap space. Best case, he's another year recovered and a real PG for a change.
I don't see the big downside here. You're worried Grant's going to become an all-star?
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Source close to Rose tells me he's excited about playing for Knicks. "His 1st choice was New York (if traded). He wants the spotlight.''
The move is fine. I think Rose is done but he's likely still appealing to certain FA, Hornacek has shown an ability to get good play out of PG's, Rose could be a deadline trade chip and the Knicks gave up Lopez (who I like but it's a special talent) and Grant who I have been highly critical of. It's a "meh" move on paper but fine.
trade. Save cap room, get more talent, and a draft pick. If Rose sucks, we don't re-sign him and just saved ourself another 14 mil in a loaded FA class. If he's good, we re-sign him.
Odds of Joakim Noah being a knick are 80+%
RE: We also free up some long term money because of Lopez' contract
IMO, there is a LOT more to this deal than meets the eye.
After the deal, the ONLY players signed past this coming season are Melo, KP and KOQ. The cap is going to bounce to somewhere around $93M.
There are rumors that KOQ is on the block for a 2nd rounder. Let's just assume that's true.
If that's the case, the Knicks have just about $28M committed for 2018. For the sake of argument, let's add 2 max deals to that total- make them $28M each. That's $84M in contracts for 4 star level players. You can fill the remaining 11 spots with role level minimum salary guys and rookies with the remaining $8-10M.
Here's where the interesting part comes.
Let's assume that the Knicks can get Durant. The backcourt becomes Durant, Melo and KP- with Rose at the PG for THIS season. Let's assume also that the Knicks let Rose walk after the season.
Stop for a minute and think about who the #1 PG on the FA market will be then. It will be Westbrook.
Who here thinks that the Knicks would have ANY trouble winning the East with a combo of Durant, Melo, KP and Westbrook- plus 11 role players?
Fat Baron Davis, Fat Ray Felton, Toney Douglas, 40 year-old Kidd, 20 games from half-retired Billups, rookie Iman Shumpert, 100 year-old Prigioni, Shane Larkin, 2 weeks of Jeremy Lin, cooked Jose Calderon, and rookie Jerian Grant
Next to Linsanity, I think the Pablo Prigioni experience was my favorite out of all of that. Just kill me now.
could attract a big time FA, but the problem is there arent really any of them out there. Its basically Durant. We dont need conley anymore and i dont consider Batum a big time FA. Now if somehow this move got Derozan to come here id feel pretty damn good.
IMO, there is a LOT more to this deal than meets the eye.
After the deal, the ONLY players signed past this coming season are Melo, KP and KOQ. The cap is going to bounce to somewhere around $93M.
There are rumors that KOQ is on the block for a 2nd rounder. Let's just assume that's true.
If that's the case, the Knicks have just about $28M committed for 2018. For the sake of argument, let's add 2 max deals to that total- make them $28M each. That's $84M in contracts for 4 star level players. You can fill the remaining 11 spots with role level minimum salary guys and rookies with the remaining $8-10M.
Here's where the interesting part comes.
Let's assume that the Knicks can get Durant. The backcourt becomes Durant, Melo and KP- with Rose at the PG for THIS season. Let's assume also that the Knicks let Rose walk after the season.
Stop for a minute and think about who the #1 PG on the FA market will be then. It will be Westbrook.
Who here thinks that the Knicks would have ANY trouble winning the East with a combo of Durant, Melo, KP and Westbrook- plus 11 role players?
Durant, Melo, KP, and Westbrook not only win the East, they win a title.
By trading Lopez and Grant and assuming they deal KOQ...
I disagree. Next summer will be loaded with good free agents and the Knicks will get a better player than Lopez for that money. Grant isn't a sure thing at all and Lopez is JAG at 14 million until 2019.
has a trick up his sleeve. He has done a pretty solid job overall. He may know he can get a FA or two (i feel like this is DH though). I dont think he just makes this move without some other dominoes ready to fall. Just my opinion. Im trying to trust Phil instead of going to my default memories of Isiah, Layden, etc....
talking about the cap space that was opened up for next year. The WHOLE DAMN LEAGUE has or will have significant cap space. Productive players on reasonable deals are going to be MORE valuable than cap space going forward. We had precious few of those players, and now we have even less of them. And what did we get in return? A broken down headcase who even when he was good couldn't shoot. And if this guy somehow returns to form, we get to either pay him a ton of money next summer or watch him walk away for nothing.
I disagree. Next summer will be loaded with good free agents and the Knicks will get a better player than Lopez for that money. Grant isn't a sure thing at all and Lopez is JAG at 14 million until 2019.
And if you can get good free agents to sign, you'll have no problem moving Rolo and Grant to create cap space. There is no need to create cap space a year out. We've made that mistake before.
I'm not sure how you can kill the trade... they really didn't give up
I hate the possible domino effect of adding Howard. I've argued many times on Knicks threads that the best way to improve the backcourt this summer was to sign a big and move Lopez for a guard while his value is at its highest. Well, here we are. I was just hoping the big we signed was Horford or Whiteside, not Howard. So we'll see what happens.
every time he has 2 nickels to rub together. Or the guy who pushes all in whenever he gets an unpaired ace.
There is literally never any patience with this team. No concepts of team building. It's disgusting.
sold low on Chandler, pointless moves for AA, Williams last summer, and now this crap. There's nobody in this front office that has any idea of how to build a roster.
Jimmy Butler was on Simmons podcast recently. Talked a lot about Rose how he was working so hard and just had bad luck. Had said he thought he'd finally really return this next year. Obviously, this felt like an optimistic friend, but still...
IMO, there is a LOT more to this deal than meets the eye.
After the deal, the ONLY players signed past this coming season are Melo, KP and KOQ. The cap is going to bounce to somewhere around $93M.
There are rumors that KOQ is on the block for a 2nd rounder. Let's just assume that's true.
If that's the case, the Knicks have just about $28M committed for 2018. For the sake of argument, let's add 2 max deals to that total- make them $28M each. That's $84M in contracts for 4 star level players. You can fill the remaining 11 spots with role level minimum salary guys and rookies with the remaining $8-10M.
Here's where the interesting part comes.
Let's assume that the Knicks can get Durant. The backcourt becomes Durant, Melo and KP- with Rose at the PG for THIS season. Let's assume also that the Knicks let Rose walk after the season.
Stop for a minute and think about who the #1 PG on the FA market will be then. It will be Westbrook.
Who here thinks that the Knicks would have ANY trouble winning the East with a combo of Durant, Melo, KP and Westbrook- plus 11 role players?
Jimmy Butler was on Simmons podcast recently. Talked a lot about Rose how he was working so hard and just had bad luck. Had said he thought he'd finally really return this next year. Obviously, this felt like an optimistic friend, but still...
They dont get along at all. Butler was going out of his way to not criticize any player in the league.
Jimmy Butler was on Simmons podcast recently. Talked a lot about Rose how he was working so hard and just had bad luck. Had said he thought he'd finally really return this next year. Obviously, this felt like an optimistic friend, but still...
Wow reports of Rose's teammates saying he's working hard after an injury plagued season? Stop the presses!
It is not like he is over 30 he is still young and a former mvp...
Now I would rather go after whiteside than Howard to be honest, Whiteside and kp in the paint on defense would be absolutely crazy...
If rose bombs he is a free agent and knicks have max space in the best point guard market in a long time
Fat Baron Davis, Fat Ray Felton, Toney Douglas, 40 year-old Kidd, 20 games from half-retired Billups, rookie Iman Shumpert, 100 year-old Prigioni, Shane Larkin, 2 weeks of Jeremy Lin, cooked Jose Calderon, and rookie Jerian Grant
If Rose can even be decent, Carmelo will have a much easier time scoring.
If we can land a C like Whiteside and then a FA next year, I'd say this was a smart move. Of course, if Rose gets healthy this would be a great move too, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Because cap space isnt better than having a young PG on a rookie contract and a starting center on a cheap contract.
Worst case, Rose sucks and he's gone in a year clearing $21 mil of cap space. Best case, he's another year recovered and a real PG for a change.
I don't see the big downside here. You're worried Grant's going to become an all-star?
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Source close to Rose tells me he's excited about playing for Knicks. "His 1st choice was New York (if traded). He wants the spotlight.''
Odds of Joakim Noah being a knick are 80+%
Umm not really, we are going to spend more on getting a center whether thats D12, whiteside, or fucking biyombo.
And why was Grant in this?? What the fuck...
After the deal, the ONLY players signed past this coming season are Melo, KP and KOQ. The cap is going to bounce to somewhere around $93M.
There are rumors that KOQ is on the block for a 2nd rounder. Let's just assume that's true.
If that's the case, the Knicks have just about $28M committed for 2018. For the sake of argument, let's add 2 max deals to that total- make them $28M each. That's $84M in contracts for 4 star level players. You can fill the remaining 11 spots with role level minimum salary guys and rookies with the remaining $8-10M.
Here's where the interesting part comes.
Let's assume that the Knicks can get Durant. The backcourt becomes Durant, Melo and KP- with Rose at the PG for THIS season. Let's assume also that the Knicks let Rose walk after the season.
Stop for a minute and think about who the #1 PG on the FA market will be then. It will be Westbrook.
Who here thinks that the Knicks would have ANY trouble winning the East with a combo of Durant, Melo, KP and Westbrook- plus 11 role players?
Next to Linsanity, I think the Pablo Prigioni experience was my favorite out of all of that. Just kill me now.
No you're good. He's garbage.
Hopefully Whiteside
After the deal, the ONLY players signed past this coming season are Melo, KP and KOQ. The cap is going to bounce to somewhere around $93M.
There are rumors that KOQ is on the block for a 2nd rounder. Let's just assume that's true.
If that's the case, the Knicks have just about $28M committed for 2018. For the sake of argument, let's add 2 max deals to that total- make them $28M each. That's $84M in contracts for 4 star level players. You can fill the remaining 11 spots with role level minimum salary guys and rookies with the remaining $8-10M.
Here's where the interesting part comes.
Let's assume that the Knicks can get Durant. The backcourt becomes Durant, Melo and KP- with Rose at the PG for THIS season. Let's assume also that the Knicks let Rose walk after the season.
Stop for a minute and think about who the #1 PG on the FA market will be then. It will be Westbrook.
Who here thinks that the Knicks would have ANY trouble winning the East with a combo of Durant, Melo, KP and Westbrook- plus 11 role players?
Durant, Melo, KP, and Westbrook not only win the East, they win a title.
There is literally never any patience with this team. No concepts of team building. It's disgusting.
Phil/Mills suck.
And if you can get good free agents to sign, you'll have no problem moving Rolo and Grant to create cap space. There is no need to create cap space a year out. We've made that mistake before.
similar analogue, different sport, I was thinking Beason
There is literally never any patience with this team. No concepts of team building. It's disgusting.
sold low on Chandler, pointless moves for AA, Williams last summer, and now this crap. There's nobody in this front office that has any idea of how to build a roster.
There is literally never any patience with this team. No concepts of team building. It's disgusting.
If Durant goes to fucking Golden State I may have no reason to follow the NBA anymore.
Grant? How is anyone missing out on that little tidbit.
After the deal, the ONLY players signed past this coming season are Melo, KP and KOQ. The cap is going to bounce to somewhere around $93M.
There are rumors that KOQ is on the block for a 2nd rounder. Let's just assume that's true.
If that's the case, the Knicks have just about $28M committed for 2018. For the sake of argument, let's add 2 max deals to that total- make them $28M each. That's $84M in contracts for 4 star level players. You can fill the remaining 11 spots with role level minimum salary guys and rookies with the remaining $8-10M.
Here's where the interesting part comes.
Let's assume that the Knicks can get Durant. The backcourt becomes Durant, Melo and KP- with Rose at the PG for THIS season. Let's assume also that the Knicks let Rose walk after the season.
Stop for a minute and think about who the #1 PG on the FA market will be then. It will be Westbrook.
Who here thinks that the Knicks would have ANY trouble winning the East with a combo of Durant, Melo, KP and Westbrook- plus 11 role players?
+1
Meet the new Knicks management, same as the old Knicks management.We Will get fooled again,Yes,Yes!
They dont get along at all. Butler was going out of his way to not criticize any player in the league.
How Jerry Jones-que of Jimmy Dolan
Wow reports of Rose's teammates saying he's working hard after an injury plagued season? Stop the presses!