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NFT: Knicks Trade for Derrick Rose

odell11beckham : 6/22/2016 3:11 pm
BREAKING:

Knicks Receive: Derrick Rose, Justin Holiday, & 2017 2nd-Rounder

Bulls Receive: Robin Lopez, Jerian Grant, Jose Calderon
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I think there is a non-immaterial chance  
Deej : 6/22/2016 3:58 pm : link
these assholes trade in the KP chip. Hey, Melo and Rose arent getting any younger!
This isn't Dolan  
Carl in CT : 6/22/2016 3:59 pm : link
Don't blame him. He's fucked up before but he has stayed away. If Phil resigned tonight well than that's different.
This just doesnt seem nearly as bad...  
Italianju : 6/22/2016 3:59 pm : link
as the knicks usual quick fix type deals. Rose isnt signed for like 4 years and we didnt give away the farm to get him. Look i liked the Grant pick, but i think we would all be thrilled if he become a solid starting PG. He doesnt have the skills to be anything more then that. Odds are he settles in as a good backup. And i really liked Lopez, but he is not a guy you cant replace. Im on the fence with the trade, but I dont get why some are screaming how horrible it is like we just traded a top 5 pick, Grant, and a future first to get Rose. This is not a trade that sacrificed our future like the trades they usually make.
RE: RE: I'm not sure how you can kill the trade... they really didn't give up  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/22/2016 3:59 pm : link
In comment 13004866 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13004856 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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anything except RoLo. I was almost expecting to see some distant future 1st round pick included, but thankfully, that didn't happen.



Grant? How is anyone missing out on that little tidbit.


If Grant showed anything this past season, they wouldn't have traded him the first place. Maybe he develops into a starting caliber player, but that's a big enough of a question that I won't lose sleep over trading him.
I can't say I didn't ask for this-  
giantsfan44ab : 6/22/2016 3:59 pm : link
just 40 minutes ago I was suggesting ways to dump Lopez if we were certain we had a shot at Whiteside. I'm salty because we have no certainty on any FAs and mainly because we gave up Grant. I'm not sure I would've done Grant for Rose straight up.
If Durant comes here next week  
Deej : 6/22/2016 4:00 pm : link
because of this trade, I'll concede Im acting like a baby.
RE: I think there is a non-immaterial chance  
giants#1 : 6/22/2016 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13004880 Deej said:
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these assholes trade in the KP chip. Hey, Melo and Rose arent getting any younger!


Good thing Kobe's retired!
RE: I think there is a non-immaterial chance  
Mason : 6/22/2016 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13004880 Deej said:
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these assholes trade in the KP chip. Hey, Melo and Rose arent getting any younger!


No way. Forget his BB value. He has young star power that generates money for MSG and the league. I think Silver would even step in on that one waving his hands.
Deej  
Carl in CT : 6/22/2016 4:01 pm : link
Melo and Rose better get on the phone with him.
RE: This just doesnt seem nearly as bad...  
giantsfan44ab : 6/22/2016 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13004883 Italianju said:
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as the knicks usual quick fix type deals. Rose isnt signed for like 4 years and we didnt give away the farm to get him. Look i liked the Grant pick, but i think we would all be thrilled if he become a solid starting PG. He doesnt have the skills to be anything more then that. Odds are he settles in as a good backup. And i really liked Lopez, but he is not a guy you cant replace. Im on the fence with the trade, but I dont get why some are screaming how horrible it is like we just traded a top 5 pick, Grant, and a future first to get Rose. This is not a trade that sacrificed our future like the trades they usually make.


This is 100% a quick fix deal. We had Lopez locked into a FANTASTIC deal going forward. Howard and Whiteside will cost $20M+.

What's the upside with this? If Rose is amazing we will have to dole out $100M to keep him. If not, we just gave up a valuable contract in RoLo and a 1st round pick from last year.
We have  
Giantfootball025 : 6/22/2016 4:02 pm : link
a better shot at Durant with Rose as our PG then we did with Calderon and Grant. For that alone, I'm for the deal.
If this gets us durant..  
Italianju : 6/22/2016 4:02 pm : link
its the best trade ever. That said i still see a 1% chance that happens.

I really want it to mean we can get a Horford or Whiteside, but you just know its going to Howard and then like Evan Turner.
...  
Jon in NYC : 6/22/2016 4:02 pm : link
Rose - Durant - Melo - KP - Noah

Title favorite?
RE: This just doesnt seem nearly as bad...  
Deej : 6/22/2016 4:02 pm : link
In comment 13004883 Italianju said:
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as the knicks usual quick fix type deals. Rose isnt signed for like 4 years and we didnt give away the farm to get him. Look i liked the Grant pick, but i think we would all be thrilled if he become a solid starting PG. He doesnt have the skills to be anything more then that. Odds are he settles in as a good backup. And i really liked Lopez, but he is not a guy you cant replace. Im on the fence with the trade, but I dont get why some are screaming how horrible it is like we just traded a top 5 pick, Grant, and a future first to get Rose. This is not a trade that sacrificed our future like the trades they usually make.


Because Rome isnt built in a day, but if you rip down the foundation every night, you make no progress.

What is the historical precedent for trading valuable assets (IMO 2 of the Knicks 4 valuable assets excluding picks) for a guy who cant stay healthy like Rose? Which recent champ built a team that way.
giantsfan..  
Italianju : 6/22/2016 4:03 pm : link
I didnt say it wasnt a quick fix. I said it wasnt as bad as our usual quick fix deals, lol.
RE: This just doesnt seem nearly as bad...  
yatqb : 6/22/2016 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13004883 Italianju said:
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as the knicks usual quick fix type deals. Rose isnt signed for like 4 years and we didnt give away the farm to get him. Look i liked the Grant pick, but i think we would all be thrilled if he become a solid starting PG. He doesnt have the skills to be anything more then that. Odds are he settles in as a good backup. And i really liked Lopez, but he is not a guy you cant replace. Im on the fence with the trade, but I dont get why some are screaming how horrible it is like we just traded a top 5 pick, Grant, and a future first to get Rose. This is not a trade that sacrificed our future like the trades they usually make.


I agree with this. I'm not wild about it, but really like the fact that Rose is expiring, so that we have tons of options for 2017. Now, if we land Whiteside I think the combined deals are a coup.
RE: RE: This just doesnt seem nearly as bad...  
giants#1 : 6/22/2016 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13004892 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13004883 Italianju said:


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as the knicks usual quick fix type deals. Rose isnt signed for like 4 years and we didnt give away the farm to get him. Look i liked the Grant pick, but i think we would all be thrilled if he become a solid starting PG. He doesnt have the skills to be anything more then that. Odds are he settles in as a good backup. And i really liked Lopez, but he is not a guy you cant replace. Im on the fence with the trade, but I dont get why some are screaming how horrible it is like we just traded a top 5 pick, Grant, and a future first to get Rose. This is not a trade that sacrificed our future like the trades they usually make.



This is 100% a quick fix deal. We had Lopez locked into a FANTASTIC deal going forward. Howard and Whiteside will cost $20M+.

What's the upside with this? If Rose is amazing we will have to dole out $100M to keep him. If not, we just gave up a valuable contract in RoLo and a 1st round pick from last year.


Well, if Rose is "amazing" then they might actually have some meaningful games in April/May. That would be *some* of the upside.
If it gets us Horford or Whiteside  
Carl in CT : 6/22/2016 4:04 pm : link
It's still the best trade ever as they were not going to come before. Now Phil needs one.
Tony Wroten was WAIVED  
Anakim : 6/22/2016 4:04 pm : link
WOW. Now we need a backup PG
RE: This just doesnt seem nearly as bad...  
Enzo : 6/22/2016 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13004883 Italianju said:
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as the knicks usual quick fix type deals. Rose isnt signed for like 4 years and we didnt give away the farm to get him. Look i liked the Grant pick, but i think we would all be thrilled if he become a solid starting PG. He doesnt have the skills to be anything more then that. Odds are he settles in as a good backup. And i really liked Lopez, but he is not a guy you cant replace. Im on the fence with the trade, but I dont get why some are screaming how horrible it is like we just traded a top 5 pick, Grant, and a future first to get Rose. This is not a trade that sacrificed our future like the trades they usually make.

it's not a Curry or McDysse level disaster in the making, but it's indicative of a flawed organizational approach to team building and an inability to properly value your own players. Grant and Lopez are not all-stars, but they had value going forward. They should have been looking to GET guys like that in exchange for taking Rose off their hands.
RE: SAUCE  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/22/2016 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13004828 Anakim said:
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Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard
Source close to Rose tells me he's excited about playing for Knicks. "His 1st choice was New York (if traded). He wants the spotlight.''


Oh good, he wants the spotlight to play 40 games in. It's a contract year. The first ache or pain, he's sitting for a week.
There isn't any upside if  
giantsfan44ab : 6/22/2016 4:05 pm : link
we don't get Durant or Whiteside out of this. We still get swept by Cleveland if we even make the playoffs.
I guess Wroten's rehab wasn't going as well as we thought  
Anakim : 6/22/2016 4:05 pm : link
.
RE: Tony Wroten was WAIVED  
Jon in NYC : 6/22/2016 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13004903 Anakim said:
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WOW. Now we need a backup PG


That's weird to me. Haven't seen that anywhere.
RE: Tony Wroten was WAIVED  
Enzo : 6/22/2016 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13004903 Anakim said:
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WOW. Now we need a backup PG
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why waive him now? Why not see what he can do in summer league? WTF is going on?
Why did we waive Wroten?  
Carl in CT : 6/22/2016 4:06 pm : link
Is Holiday a PG? I know shit about him.
Some people are acting like rose is on a long term deal  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2016 4:06 pm : link
He is on a 1 year prove it contract, if he plays like his mvp self you got a steal, of he plays like shit you let him go and you have enough a ton of money to spend...

Coupled with the fact you can still sign a max this year...

This also opens the door for the knicks to use the pitch to durant if he wants to keep playing with westbrook, you sign here and then knicks sign Westbrook next year
...  
jrapps : 6/22/2016 4:06 pm : link
They just waived Tony Wroten.

I guess I should have waited 30 minutes before buying my custom authentic Tony Wroten Knicks jersey?
RE: Why did we waive Wroten?  
Anakim : 6/22/2016 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13004914 Carl in CT said:
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Is Holiday a PG? I know shit about him.


SG
Conley?  
Carl in CT : 6/22/2016 4:07 pm : link
Probably said he wasn't coming.
Anakim  
Carl in CT : 6/22/2016 4:08 pm : link
Oh yea, who can't shoot!
RE: Some people are acting like rose is on a long term deal  
Enzo : 6/22/2016 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13004915 nygiants16 said:
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He is on a 1 year prove it contract, if he plays like his mvp self you got a steal

but it's only a "steal" for one season. That's not a thing you want to trade assets for (unless maybe you're a contender looking to add one last piece). That's not smart team building.

will be interesting to see where conley and rondo end up  
hitdog42 : 6/22/2016 4:09 pm : link
now that all these PGs are moving around.
RE: Anakim  
Anakim : 6/22/2016 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13004920 Carl in CT said:
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Oh yea, who can't shoot!


Should've gotten his brother, Jrue. Haha
I'm not a knick fan  
Old Dirty Beckham : 6/22/2016 4:09 pm : link
nor am I a bull fan.

I dont see how any knick fan can be bent out of shape about this.

Do you really think Lopez isnt replaceable? Last year knick fans were clamoring for more minutes for Grant and now he's traded. Maybe the knicks had no faith in him?

They gave up nothing. If it works out great. If not the team is going to have a shit load of cap space next year when the free agency crop is much better.

Good gamble for the knicks.
LOL at the defense that this is good  
Deej : 6/22/2016 4:09 pm : link
because he's on a prove it deal. Even if he plays well, you're stuck committing to a guy who cant stay healthy.
Ginoboli opted out of contract  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2016 4:10 pm : link
Maybe we'll offer him four years.
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2016 4:10 pm : link
I'm a harsh Phil Jackson critic but does anyone really think Phil "loves" Rose? His health? His recent play? c'mon #Knicks
RE: RE: Tony Wroten was WAIVED  
TheMick7 : 6/22/2016 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13004912 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 13004903 Anakim said:


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WOW. Now we need a backup PG



That's weird to me. Haven't seen that anywhere.


Only makes sense if he's hurt Summer league starts July 2nd, was looking forward to seeing him in action. Guess not.
Y'all back  
Rflairr : 6/22/2016 4:10 pm : link
Got your three stars with Rose, Melo, and Porzingas. IF they're healthy you should being able to compete with Cleveland.
RE: RE: Some people are acting like rose is on a long term deal  
nygiants16 : 6/22/2016 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13004921 Enzo said:
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In comment 13004915 nygiants16 said:


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He is on a 1 year prove it contract, if he plays like his mvp self you got a steal


but it's only a "steal" for one season. That's not a thing you want to trade assets for (unless maybe you're a contender looking to add one last piece). That's not smart team building.


You traded 1 asset in grant and lopez was never part of the future here, he would have been moved probably next off season for a guard or cap space
RE: LOL at the defense that this is good  
Enzo : 6/22/2016 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13004926 Deej said:
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because he's on a prove it deal. Even if he plays well, you're stuck committing to a guy who cant stay healthy.

only the Knicks can make a trade where the best case scenario is that the guy they acquire gets hurt and leaves after one season.
Whoa  
ZGiants98 : 6/22/2016 4:12 pm : link
Hope it works!
RE: Some people are acting like rose is on a long term deal  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/22/2016 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13004915 nygiants16 said:
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He is on a 1 year prove it contract, if he plays like his mvp self you got a steal, of he plays like shit you let him go and you have enough a ton of money to spend...

Coupled with the fact you can still sign a max this year...

This also opens the door for the knicks to use the pitch to durant if he wants to keep playing with westbrook, you sign here and then knicks sign Westbrook next year


First, this guy hasn't been healthy for like 4 years.
Second, if he plays like an MVP, it's not a steal. You have to pay him like like an MVP or you're back to square one next season with a hole at PG, and a weakly positioned draft pick.
Third, who's playing center? You created a roster hole while filling a different roster hole.

They would've had lots of money to spend regardless.
RE: I'm not a knick fan  
TheMick7 : 6/22/2016 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13004925 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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nor am I a bull fan.

I dont see how any knick fan can be bent out of shape about this.

Do you really think Lopez isnt replaceable? Last year knick fans were clamoring for more minutes for Grant and now he's traded. Maybe the knicks had no faith in him?

They gave up nothing. If it works out great. If not the team is going to have a shit load of cap space next year when the free agency crop is much better.

Good gamble for the knicks.


Grant never got a shot because Rambis thought each game was game 7 & he was playing for his job. Kid has the potential to be a very good player..and he's healthy!
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/22/2016 4:12 pm : link
Derrick Rose trade is a preamble to a Durant/Westbrook combo package after the season. It... is... on. #Knicks
I have a hard time getting excited  
Ash_3 : 6/22/2016 4:12 pm : link
about a score-first point guard with surgically repaired knees and confidence issues who also happens not be a dead-eye shooter either.
I don't think  
Giantfootball025 : 6/22/2016 4:13 pm : link
Rose is in the future plans. This move was made for 2 reasons.

1.) Get "star power" for a potential "star" FA signing.
2.) Clear cap space for 2017 to get a "Star" FA.

If the Knicks come away with 2 stud FAs in the next 2 years this was the trade everyone will talk about as being the precursor to that. Then you have KP, Melo, and 2 big time FAs. They will at least put themselves in a position to compete for a title.
RE: Y'all back  
Enzo : 6/22/2016 4:13 pm : link
In comment 13004930 Rflairr said:
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Got your three stars with Rose, Melo, and Porzingas. IF they're healthy you should being able to compete with Cleveland.

are you drunk?
RE: Some people are acting like rose is on a long term deal  
giantsfan44ab : 6/22/2016 4:13 pm : link
In comment 13004915 nygiants16 said:
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He is on a 1 year prove it contract, if he plays like his mvp self you got a steal, of he plays like shit you let him go and you have enough a ton of money to spend...

Coupled with the fact you can still sign a max this year...

This also opens the door for the knicks to use the pitch to durant if he wants to keep playing with westbrook, you sign here and then knicks sign Westbrook next year


Theres no upside. Theres no reason to believe they can even get out of the 1st round barring a Durant signing. It would've been BETTER if he was signed for 4 more years at this rate, now you have to give him a new max under the NEW salary cap if you want to keep him...
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