as the knicks usual quick fix type deals. Rose isnt signed for like 4 years and we didnt give away the farm to get him. Look i liked the Grant pick, but i think we would all be thrilled if he become a solid starting PG. He doesnt have the skills to be anything more then that. Odds are he settles in as a good backup. And i really liked Lopez, but he is not a guy you cant replace. Im on the fence with the trade, but I dont get why some are screaming how horrible it is like we just traded a top 5 pick, Grant, and a future first to get Rose. This is not a trade that sacrificed our future like the trades they usually make.
RE: RE: I'm not sure how you can kill the trade... they really didn't give up
anything except RoLo. I was almost expecting to see some distant future 1st round pick included, but thankfully, that didn't happen.
Grant? How is anyone missing out on that little tidbit.
If Grant showed anything this past season, they wouldn't have traded him the first place. Maybe he develops into a starting caliber player, but that's a big enough of a question that I won't lose sleep over trading him.
just 40 minutes ago I was suggesting ways to dump Lopez if we were certain we had a shot at Whiteside. I'm salty because we have no certainty on any FAs and mainly because we gave up Grant. I'm not sure I would've done Grant for Rose straight up.
these assholes trade in the KP chip. Hey, Melo and Rose arent getting any younger!
No way. Forget his BB value. He has young star power that generates money for MSG and the league. I think Silver would even step in on that one waving his hands.
as the knicks usual quick fix type deals. Rose isnt signed for like 4 years and we didnt give away the farm to get him. Look i liked the Grant pick, but i think we would all be thrilled if he become a solid starting PG. He doesnt have the skills to be anything more then that. Odds are he settles in as a good backup. And i really liked Lopez, but he is not a guy you cant replace. Im on the fence with the trade, but I dont get why some are screaming how horrible it is like we just traded a top 5 pick, Grant, and a future first to get Rose. This is not a trade that sacrificed our future like the trades they usually make.
This is 100% a quick fix deal. We had Lopez locked into a FANTASTIC deal going forward. Howard and Whiteside will cost $20M+.
What's the upside with this? If Rose is amazing we will have to dole out $100M to keep him. If not, we just gave up a valuable contract in RoLo and a 1st round pick from last year.
as the knicks usual quick fix type deals. Rose isnt signed for like 4 years and we didnt give away the farm to get him. Look i liked the Grant pick, but i think we would all be thrilled if he become a solid starting PG. He doesnt have the skills to be anything more then that. Odds are he settles in as a good backup. And i really liked Lopez, but he is not a guy you cant replace. Im on the fence with the trade, but I dont get why some are screaming how horrible it is like we just traded a top 5 pick, Grant, and a future first to get Rose. This is not a trade that sacrificed our future like the trades they usually make.
Because Rome isnt built in a day, but if you rip down the foundation every night, you make no progress.
What is the historical precedent for trading valuable assets (IMO 2 of the Knicks 4 valuable assets excluding picks) for a guy who cant stay healthy like Rose? Which recent champ built a team that way.
as the knicks usual quick fix type deals. Rose isnt signed for like 4 years and we didnt give away the farm to get him. Look i liked the Grant pick, but i think we would all be thrilled if he become a solid starting PG. He doesnt have the skills to be anything more then that. Odds are he settles in as a good backup. And i really liked Lopez, but he is not a guy you cant replace. Im on the fence with the trade, but I dont get why some are screaming how horrible it is like we just traded a top 5 pick, Grant, and a future first to get Rose. This is not a trade that sacrificed our future like the trades they usually make.
I agree with this. I'm not wild about it, but really like the fact that Rose is expiring, so that we have tons of options for 2017. Now, if we land Whiteside I think the combined deals are a coup.
as the knicks usual quick fix type deals. Rose isnt signed for like 4 years and we didnt give away the farm to get him. Look i liked the Grant pick, but i think we would all be thrilled if he become a solid starting PG. He doesnt have the skills to be anything more then that. Odds are he settles in as a good backup. And i really liked Lopez, but he is not a guy you cant replace. Im on the fence with the trade, but I dont get why some are screaming how horrible it is like we just traded a top 5 pick, Grant, and a future first to get Rose. This is not a trade that sacrificed our future like the trades they usually make.
This is 100% a quick fix deal. We had Lopez locked into a FANTASTIC deal going forward. Howard and Whiteside will cost $20M+.
What's the upside with this? If Rose is amazing we will have to dole out $100M to keep him. If not, we just gave up a valuable contract in RoLo and a 1st round pick from last year.
Well, if Rose is "amazing" then they might actually have some meaningful games in April/May. That would be *some* of the upside.
as the knicks usual quick fix type deals. Rose isnt signed for like 4 years and we didnt give away the farm to get him. Look i liked the Grant pick, but i think we would all be thrilled if he become a solid starting PG. He doesnt have the skills to be anything more then that. Odds are he settles in as a good backup. And i really liked Lopez, but he is not a guy you cant replace. Im on the fence with the trade, but I dont get why some are screaming how horrible it is like we just traded a top 5 pick, Grant, and a future first to get Rose. This is not a trade that sacrificed our future like the trades they usually make.
it's not a Curry or McDysse level disaster in the making, but it's indicative of a flawed organizational approach to team building and an inability to properly value your own players. Grant and Lopez are not all-stars, but they had value going forward. They should have been looking to GET guys like that in exchange for taking Rose off their hands.
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Source close to Rose tells me he's excited about playing for Knicks. "His 1st choice was New York (if traded). He wants the spotlight.''
Oh good, he wants the spotlight to play 40 games in. It's a contract year. The first ache or pain, he's sitting for a week.
He is on a 1 year prove it contract, if he plays like his mvp self you got a steal, of he plays like shit you let him go and you have enough a ton of money to spend...
Coupled with the fact you can still sign a max this year...
This also opens the door for the knicks to use the pitch to durant if he wants to keep playing with westbrook, you sign here and then knicks sign Westbrook next year
He is on a 1 year prove it contract, if he plays like his mvp self you got a steal
but it's only a "steal" for one season. That's not a thing you want to trade assets for (unless maybe you're a contender looking to add one last piece). That's not smart team building.
will be interesting to see where conley and rondo end up
I dont see how any knick fan can be bent out of shape about this.
Do you really think Lopez isnt replaceable? Last year knick fans were clamoring for more minutes for Grant and now he's traded. Maybe the knicks had no faith in him?
They gave up nothing. If it works out great. If not the team is going to have a shit load of cap space next year when the free agency crop is much better.
He is on a 1 year prove it contract, if he plays like his mvp self you got a steal
but it's only a "steal" for one season. That's not a thing you want to trade assets for (unless maybe you're a contender looking to add one last piece). That's not smart team building.
You traded 1 asset in grant and lopez was never part of the future here, he would have been moved probably next off season for a guard or cap space
He is on a 1 year prove it contract, if he plays like his mvp self you got a steal, of he plays like shit you let him go and you have enough a ton of money to spend...
Coupled with the fact you can still sign a max this year...
This also opens the door for the knicks to use the pitch to durant if he wants to keep playing with westbrook, you sign here and then knicks sign Westbrook next year
First, this guy hasn't been healthy for like 4 years.
Second, if he plays like an MVP, it's not a steal. You have to pay him like like an MVP or you're back to square one next season with a hole at PG, and a weakly positioned draft pick.
Third, who's playing center? You created a roster hole while filling a different roster hole.
They would've had lots of money to spend regardless.
I dont see how any knick fan can be bent out of shape about this.
Do you really think Lopez isnt replaceable? Last year knick fans were clamoring for more minutes for Grant and now he's traded. Maybe the knicks had no faith in him?
They gave up nothing. If it works out great. If not the team is going to have a shit load of cap space next year when the free agency crop is much better.
Good gamble for the knicks.
Grant never got a shot because Rambis thought each game was game 7 & he was playing for his job. Kid has the potential to be a very good player..and he's healthy!
Rose is in the future plans. This move was made for 2 reasons.
1.) Get "star power" for a potential "star" FA signing.
2.) Clear cap space for 2017 to get a "Star" FA.
If the Knicks come away with 2 stud FAs in the next 2 years this was the trade everyone will talk about as being the precursor to that. Then you have KP, Melo, and 2 big time FAs. They will at least put themselves in a position to compete for a title.
He is on a 1 year prove it contract, if he plays like his mvp self you got a steal, of he plays like shit you let him go and you have enough a ton of money to spend...
Coupled with the fact you can still sign a max this year...
This also opens the door for the knicks to use the pitch to durant if he wants to keep playing with westbrook, you sign here and then knicks sign Westbrook next year
Theres no upside. Theres no reason to believe they can even get out of the 1st round barring a Durant signing. It would've been BETTER if he was signed for 4 more years at this rate, now you have to give him a new max under the NEW salary cap if you want to keep him...
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anything except RoLo. I was almost expecting to see some distant future 1st round pick included, but thankfully, that didn't happen.
Grant? How is anyone missing out on that little tidbit.
If Grant showed anything this past season, they wouldn't have traded him the first place. Maybe he develops into a starting caliber player, but that's a big enough of a question that I won't lose sleep over trading him.
Good thing Kobe's retired!
No way. Forget his BB value. He has young star power that generates money for MSG and the league. I think Silver would even step in on that one waving his hands.
This is 100% a quick fix deal. We had Lopez locked into a FANTASTIC deal going forward. Howard and Whiteside will cost $20M+.
What's the upside with this? If Rose is amazing we will have to dole out $100M to keep him. If not, we just gave up a valuable contract in RoLo and a 1st round pick from last year.
I really want it to mean we can get a Horford or Whiteside, but you just know its going to Howard and then like Evan Turner.
Title favorite?
Because Rome isnt built in a day, but if you rip down the foundation every night, you make no progress.
What is the historical precedent for trading valuable assets (IMO 2 of the Knicks 4 valuable assets excluding picks) for a guy who cant stay healthy like Rose? Which recent champ built a team that way.
I agree with this. I'm not wild about it, but really like the fact that Rose is expiring, so that we have tons of options for 2017. Now, if we land Whiteside I think the combined deals are a coup.
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as the knicks usual quick fix type deals. Rose isnt signed for like 4 years and we didnt give away the farm to get him. Look i liked the Grant pick, but i think we would all be thrilled if he become a solid starting PG. He doesnt have the skills to be anything more then that. Odds are he settles in as a good backup. And i really liked Lopez, but he is not a guy you cant replace. Im on the fence with the trade, but I dont get why some are screaming how horrible it is like we just traded a top 5 pick, Grant, and a future first to get Rose. This is not a trade that sacrificed our future like the trades they usually make.
This is 100% a quick fix deal. We had Lopez locked into a FANTASTIC deal going forward. Howard and Whiteside will cost $20M+.
What's the upside with this? If Rose is amazing we will have to dole out $100M to keep him. If not, we just gave up a valuable contract in RoLo and a 1st round pick from last year.
Well, if Rose is "amazing" then they might actually have some meaningful games in April/May. That would be *some* of the upside.
it's not a Curry or McDysse level disaster in the making, but it's indicative of a flawed organizational approach to team building and an inability to properly value your own players. Grant and Lopez are not all-stars, but they had value going forward. They should have been looking to GET guys like that in exchange for taking Rose off their hands.
Source close to Rose tells me he's excited about playing for Knicks. "His 1st choice was New York (if traded). He wants the spotlight.''
Oh good, he wants the spotlight to play 40 games in. It's a contract year. The first ache or pain, he's sitting for a week.
That's weird to me. Haven't seen that anywhere.
why waive him now? Why not see what he can do in summer league? WTF is going on?
Coupled with the fact you can still sign a max this year...
This also opens the door for the knicks to use the pitch to durant if he wants to keep playing with westbrook, you sign here and then knicks sign Westbrook next year
I guess I should have waited 30 minutes before buying my custom authentic Tony Wroten Knicks jersey?
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but it's only a "steal" for one season. That's not a thing you want to trade assets for (unless maybe you're a contender looking to add one last piece). That's not smart team building.
Should've gotten his brother, Jrue. Haha
I dont see how any knick fan can be bent out of shape about this.
Do you really think Lopez isnt replaceable? Last year knick fans were clamoring for more minutes for Grant and now he's traded. Maybe the knicks had no faith in him?
They gave up nothing. If it works out great. If not the team is going to have a shit load of cap space next year when the free agency crop is much better.
Good gamble for the knicks.
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WOW. Now we need a backup PG
That's weird to me. Haven't seen that anywhere.
Only makes sense if he's hurt Summer league starts July 2nd, was looking forward to seeing him in action. Guess not.
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He is on a 1 year prove it contract, if he plays like his mvp self you got a steal
but it's only a "steal" for one season. That's not a thing you want to trade assets for (unless maybe you're a contender looking to add one last piece). That's not smart team building.
You traded 1 asset in grant and lopez was never part of the future here, he would have been moved probably next off season for a guard or cap space
only the Knicks can make a trade where the best case scenario is that the guy they acquire gets hurt and leaves after one season.
Coupled with the fact you can still sign a max this year...
This also opens the door for the knicks to use the pitch to durant if he wants to keep playing with westbrook, you sign here and then knicks sign Westbrook next year
First, this guy hasn't been healthy for like 4 years.
Second, if he plays like an MVP, it's not a steal. You have to pay him like like an MVP or you're back to square one next season with a hole at PG, and a weakly positioned draft pick.
Third, who's playing center? You created a roster hole while filling a different roster hole.
They would've had lots of money to spend regardless.
I dont see how any knick fan can be bent out of shape about this.
Do you really think Lopez isnt replaceable? Last year knick fans were clamoring for more minutes for Grant and now he's traded. Maybe the knicks had no faith in him?
They gave up nothing. If it works out great. If not the team is going to have a shit load of cap space next year when the free agency crop is much better.
Good gamble for the knicks.
Grant never got a shot because Rambis thought each game was game 7 & he was playing for his job. Kid has the potential to be a very good player..and he's healthy!
1.) Get "star power" for a potential "star" FA signing.
2.) Clear cap space for 2017 to get a "Star" FA.
If the Knicks come away with 2 stud FAs in the next 2 years this was the trade everyone will talk about as being the precursor to that. Then you have KP, Melo, and 2 big time FAs. They will at least put themselves in a position to compete for a title.
are you drunk?
Coupled with the fact you can still sign a max this year...
This also opens the door for the knicks to use the pitch to durant if he wants to keep playing with westbrook, you sign here and then knicks sign Westbrook next year
Theres no upside. Theres no reason to believe they can even get out of the 1st round barring a Durant signing. It would've been BETTER if he was signed for 4 more years at this rate, now you have to give him a new max under the NEW salary cap if you want to keep him...