But I don't think bringing in Howard would be a bad move but I'd like to know the contract details. He's still one of the best centers in the NBA and he's better than Lopez. He's weird but that shit can be overstated. The media and fans focus on bullshit like that.
The only thing working in Howard's favor is I think he will be motivated to prove he can still dominate...
So you would have2 motivated former stars on this team..
I think he fits next to kp but I don't think there is enough shots for him to be happy
We had some great dialogue back and forth, Anthony said of his discussions with Howard. I talked to him. We talked about some things. Ultimately it came down to what I really felt and really wanted at that moment. We had some contact and conversations. He tried. He tried extremely hard. It didnt have anything to do with Dwight or James [Harden]. It came down to my own personal decision.
While Rose, 27, was the 2011 MVP and an All-Star as recently as 2012, his long history of knee issues has left him a shell of his former self. Last season, he managed to play 66 gamesafter playing just 100 combined in the previous four yearsbut he graded out well below average at his position by the major advanced metrics. According to ESPNs Real Plus-Minus, Roses -4.23 RPM ranked No. 81 among 85 point guards, topping only walking disaster Ty Lawson among players who appeared in at least 60 games.
Well, at least he was terrible, but not constantly drunk terrible.
trading for a name notwithstanding a massive decline in the game and injury risk. Dont know how anyone could be happy with this trade unless you're totally blinded by the name "Derrick Rose". Hey, lets sign Dr. J!
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Robin Lopez is a nice guy in the locker room, solid center, too. But if you can get Westbrook plus x next summer by moving him...yeah.
trading for a name notwithstanding a massive decline in the game and injury risk. Dont know how anyone could be happy with this trade unless you're totally blinded by the name "Derrick Rose". Hey, lets sign Dr. J!
It's a one year prove it deal. Hardly the same as signing someone like Amare to a 5 year max deal.
I don't know why people are up in arms about this trade
it's like people expect to get high upside players for nothing.
Rose has been injured but really came on in the second half of last year and will look great in the pick and roll with KP. Whether or not we sign anyone big I think we are unequivocally more attractive to free agents on the chance that Rose does continue the upward slope to his play that he enjoyed last season. He is a good passer and while not the best defender, anyone is better than Calderon.
Also it's been said but there was no one at PG available in the market we got ourselves cap space and now have a ton of options at center. Phil has shown he gets players at his price on reasonable contracts, all of the FAs last year showed that, who is to say we can't get D12 or Pau on a very reasonable contract?
I'm as pissed off about the years of bad Knicks teams as anyone and yes it's possible this trade doesn't work out well but all trades are gambles and above all I think Phil has more information than us. People were whining about what happened with Chandler but that made room for Lopez who now people are up in arms about. Phil turned Tim Hardaway Jr. into something that was a trade chip.
This might not work out but there is sound probabilistic reasoning behind it, we had the worst back court in the league last year.
trading for a name notwithstanding a massive decline in the game and injury risk. Dont know how anyone could be happy with this trade unless you're totally blinded by the name "Derrick Rose". Hey, lets sign Dr. J!
If they can get an older 5 to replace RoLo, like Pau or Noah on a similar deal, do you think it's a terrible deal still?
My gripe with the trade is because:
1. It's not certain that the Knicks will go after similar 5 in FA.
2. They gave up quickly on a potential rotational PG in Grant. But they also waived Wroten, which makes little to no sense unless his recovery isn't going well, or they have another move coming.
If #1 does happen, they're making a bet on a PG for one year, while leaving the same amount of cap space to fill the 2 this summer, and more cap space to plug the hole at the 1 next year.
would Howard come to the Knicks on a "reasonable" deal? He's only 30 and the Knicks even with him are not title contenders. If they want him they almost certainly will be giving him max or close to max. At least Pau is 35 and has legit Knicks connections with Phil.
trading for a name notwithstanding a massive decline in the game and injury risk. Dont know how anyone could be happy with this trade unless you're totally blinded by the name "Derrick Rose". Hey, lets sign Dr. J!
If they can get an older 5 to replace RoLo, like Pau or Noah on a similar deal, do you think it's a terrible deal still?
My gripe with the trade is because:
1. It's not certain that the Knicks will go after similar 5 in FA.
2. They gave up quickly on a potential rotational PG in Grant. But they also waived Wroten, which makes little to no sense unless his recovery isn't going well, or they have another move coming.
If #1 does happen, they're making a bet on a PG for one year, while leaving the same amount of cap space to fill the 2 this summer, and more cap space to plug the hole at the 1 next year.
At least they didn't trade away any 1st rounders.
Giving Noah or Pau the same deal as Lopez would be absolutely atrocious.One of those 2 at $13,219,250, $13,788,500, $14,357,750, ? No freakin way.
While Rose, 27, was the 2011 MVP and an All-Star as recently as 2012, his long history of knee issues has left him a shell of his former self. Last season, he managed to play 66 gamesafter playing just 100 combined in the previous four yearsbut he graded out well below average at his position by the major advanced metrics. According to ESPNs Real Plus-Minus, Roses -4.23 RPM ranked No. 81 among 85 point guards, topping only walking disaster Ty Lawson among players who appeared in at least 60 games.
but he's a former MVP! He'll do better on the "big stage"! Phil knows what he's doing!
trading for a name notwithstanding a massive decline in the game and injury risk. Dont know how anyone could be happy with this trade unless you're totally blinded by the name "Derrick Rose". Hey, lets sign Dr. J!
It's not even remotely "classic" Knicks. Did they trade a first round pick? THAT is "classic" Knicks. Are they locked into anything long-term? Being handcuffed to guys you can't get rid of is "classic" Knicks. It's debatable whether they could've gotten more for RoLo, but otherwise, they didn't give up a lot and they didn't get roped into any long and stupid contracts. In that sense, I'm not sure how anyone can be vociferously angry about the deal.
would Howard come to the Knicks on a "reasonable" deal? He's only 30 and the Knicks even with him are not title contenders. If they want him they almost certainly will be giving him max or close to max. At least Pau is 35 and has legit Knicks connections with Phil.
This is the thing. We all know that Howard is better than Lopez but not when you factor in a 30 million in salary.
but it sums up one of the big problems with this deal:
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Teams keep referencing the cap as an obstacle w/ trades. "Why do I want to trade a $7m player knowing it will cost me $14m to replace him?"
trading for a name notwithstanding a massive decline in the game and injury risk. Dont know how anyone could be happy with this trade unless you're totally blinded by the name "Derrick Rose". Hey, lets sign Dr. J!
It's not even remotely "classic" Knicks. Did they trade a first round pick? THAT is "classic" Knicks. Are they locked into anything long-term? Being handcuffed to guys you can't get rid of is "classic" Knicks. It's debatable whether they could've gotten more for RoLo, but otherwise, they didn't give up a lot and they didn't get roped into any long and stupid contracts. In that sense, I'm not sure how anyone can be vociferously angry about the deal.
not every Knick trade is an Eddy Curry like disaster. Sometimes you have mini-fuckups like Steve Francis which ended up costing them Ariza.
Bogut played 12 minutes per game in the Finals before he got hurt. The Cavs just flat-out stopped playing their "center" Channing Frye and Mozgov was nowhere to be found. I don't buy that replacing RoLo is this super-important/expensive thing that needs to be done. I'd love Gasol because he's still well, but spending a lot of money on Howard or some of the other options that have been mentioned isn't necessary.
trading for a name notwithstanding a massive decline in the game and injury risk. Dont know how anyone could be happy with this trade unless you're totally blinded by the name "Derrick Rose". Hey, lets sign Dr. J!
If they can get an older 5 to replace RoLo, like Pau or Noah on a similar deal, do you think it's a terrible deal still?
My gripe with the trade is because:
1. It's not certain that the Knicks will go after similar 5 in FA.
2. They gave up quickly on a potential rotational PG in Grant. But they also waived Wroten, which makes little to no sense unless his recovery isn't going well, or they have another move coming.
If #1 does happen, they're making a bet on a PG for one year, while leaving the same amount of cap space to fill the 2 this summer, and more cap space to plug the hole at the 1 next year.
At least they didn't trade away any 1st rounders.
Giving Noah or Pau the same deal as Lopez would be absolutely atrocious.One of those 2 at $13,219,250, $13,788,500, $14,357,750, ? No freakin way.
Obviously not for the same amount of time. And I have no idea how much either guy would command this FA.
Given that his contract accounted for ~11% of the cap this year, assuming the percentage stays the same it'd be around 10M per year this year. He's going to want more than 7.8M (that's what he would have made this year I believe). Ok, so say it's at about 10M for year, not 13M which would be the RoLo number (even though I said similar). I don't think that 3M difference warrants the hyperbole on your end. Personally I was imagining him being offered a contract around 10M per year anyway.
We all should have a lot to talk about this summer. Anyone know why Hahn says in his tweets that since we waived Wroten we will have a pick tomorrow? I'm not sure why but he is saying it.
We all should have a lot to talk about this summer. Anyone know why Hahn says in his tweets that since we waived Wroten we will have a pick tomorrow? I'm not sure why but he is saying it.
He retweeted Ballow who then corrected himself and said the pick was 2017.
not every Knick trade is an Eddy Curry like disaster. Sometimes you have mini-fuckups like Steve Francis which ended up costing them Ariza.
Who's Trevor Ariza in this scenario... Jerian Grant? Someone earlier brought up the Bulls' current roster as the "right way" to build a team. If Grant had shown what Bobby Portis or Mirotic (he's not the best example, I know) showed as rookies, they wouldn't have done this trade. If he'd been a lottery pick like Doug McD., they probably wouldn't have traded him so early. He might turn out to be a really good player... every trade has risks. But I can't fault Phil for moving on this quickly.
but it sums up one of the big problems with this deal:
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Teams keep referencing the cap as an obstacle w/ trades. "Why do I want to trade a $7m player knowing it will cost me $14m to replace him?"
This is a dumb parallel. If the Knicks feel they can sign Noah or Gasol for LESS than what RoLo made, while also developing a young guy who plays the same position (Willy), how is it costing them double to replace him with an admittedly older player with a not-so-steep drop off in production?
Then on top of that, they potentially have a piece that improves one of their biggest weaknesses tenfold. All the while keeping the same cap space, and making more cap space for next year.
This is a dumb parallel. If the Knicks feel they can sign Noah or Gasol for LESS than what RoLo made, while also developing a young guy who plays the same position (Willy), how is it costing them double to replace him with an admittedly older player with a not-so-steep drop off in production?
did I say it was an exact parallel? Holy fuck. The point is that a lot of guys signed under last year's cap are going to be bargains going forward. That obviously wasn't important to Phil.
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Then on top of that, they potentially have a piece that improves one of their biggest weaknesses tenfold. All the while keeping the same cap space, and making more cap space for next year.
Except Rose wasn't good last year. And even if he is he might walk next summer anyway. So you're back to having a gaping hole at the position. Except this time it's worse because you no longer have a former first round pick with some upside who might contribute. But the bright side is that you might get 25 games of Noah...or maybe the decline years of Pau!
mostly a throw in, but what do we think of Justin Holiday? He's one of I believe 5 people on the roster right now, so he has a pretty good shot at making the team by default. Apparently he's a great defender and shot .433 from 3 in limited minutes with the Bulls last year.
mostly a throw in, but what do we think of Justin Holiday? He's one of I believe 5 people on the roster right now, so he has a pretty good shot at making the team by default. Apparently he's a great defender and shot .433 from 3 in limited minutes with the Bulls last year.
This is a dumb parallel. If the Knicks feel they can sign Noah or Gasol for LESS than what RoLo made, while also developing a young guy who plays the same position (Willy), how is it costing them double to replace him with an admittedly older player with a not-so-steep drop off in production?
did I say it was an exact parallel? Holy fuck. The point is that a lot of guys signed under last year's cap are going to be bargains going forward. That obviously wasn't important to Phil.
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Then on top of that, they potentially have a piece that improves one of their biggest weaknesses tenfold. All the while keeping the same cap space, and making more cap space for next year.
Except Rose wasn't good last year. And even if he is he might walk next summer anyway. So you're back to having a gaping hole at the position. Except this time it's worse because you no longer have a former first round pick with some upside who might contribute. But the bright side is that you might get 25 games of Noah...or maybe the decline years of Pau!
Right, except now they've filled the PG hole for the next year, instead of being forced to spend a max on a PG when there are limited options available.
This covers up the PG hole until there is a much bigger market at the position. At the end of the day, it's a potential (albeit temporary) solution to the massive hole in the backcourt. And if they sign a stopgap 5 like Gasol while giving Willy time to develop, you mitigate the loss of RoLo somewhat.
I would have preferred to keep Grant and see what he developed into. But the fact that they included him in the deal makes me believe that they were going to try to upgrade at PG regardless.
mostly a throw in, but what do we think of Justin Holiday? He's one of I believe 5 people on the roster right now, so he has a pretty good shot at making the team by default. Apparently he's a great defender and shot .433 from 3 in limited minutes with the Bulls last year.
Shumpert with a better shot from 3?
That would be a major coup as a throw in to this deal.
First off, Langston Galloway and Grant played essentially the same position...except Galloway can hit the the 3. So losing Grant isn't that big a deal.
Second, RoLo sucked. I'm sorry, but watching that doofus mishandle the ball, play defense with his hands down and be generally unaware on the court was infuriating.
Rose for a year with a possibility of bringing in a real big man in Howard and then Westbrook after Rose becomes a FA is definitely a decent trade off.
Who is really considering Rose as a long term answer at point?
mostly a throw in, but what do we think of Justin Holiday? He's one of I believe 5 people on the roster right now, so he has a pretty good shot at making the team by default. Apparently he's a great defender and shot .433 from 3 in limited minutes with the Bulls last year.
mostly a throw in, but what do we think of Justin Holiday? He's one of I believe 5 people on the roster right now, so he has a pretty good shot at making the team by default. Apparently he's a great defender and shot .433 from 3 in limited minutes with the Bulls last year.
could be a guy. We will see.
Why even respond? Thanks for that groundbreaking analysis.
would Howard come to the Knicks on a "reasonable" deal? He's only 30 and the Knicks even with him are not title contenders. If they want him they almost certainly will be giving him max or close to max. At least Pau is 35 and has legit Knicks connections with Phil.
I think he would for a few reasons. Dwight has always wanted respect and fame and to win in a big market. I think Phil can sell him on that and playing with some other stars. A young big that he can form a great defensive tandem with that doesn't need to be in the paint on O. Also I think we are a good match with Phil, it's pretty clear that teams have soured on him as a person, that makes him a less attractive free agent. If there are teams offering him the max, I don't think they are competitive ones. There is definitely a perception that he isn't a great guy to have in your locker room we can arbitrage that by having someone like Phil that can manage egos like his well.
Also with the cap going up it is possible he might want to prove himself again and sign one last big deal. I could see him signing like 4 years $80M with opt outs every year.
mostly a throw in, but what do we think of Justin Holiday? He's one of I believe 5 people on the roster right now, so he has a pretty good shot at making the team by default. Apparently he's a great defender and shot .433 from 3 in limited minutes with the Bulls last year.
could be a guy. We will see.
Why even respond? Thanks for that groundbreaking analysis.
And no I don't want to sign him or give him the max
The only thing working in Howard's favor is I think he will be motivated to prove he can still dominate...
So you would have2 motivated former stars on this team..
I think he fits next to kp but I don't think there is enough shots for him to be happy
The Knicks are expected to have at least $30 million in cap space this summer.
Last offseason, the Knicks signed Robin Lopez to a four-year contract and he had a productive season.
The Knicks' top priorities this offseason have been their backcourt and it is unclear what level of interest they would have in signing Howard.
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While Rose, 27, was the 2011 MVP and an All-Star as recently as 2012, his long history of knee issues has left him a shell of his former self. Last season, he managed to play 66 gamesafter playing just 100 combined in the previous four yearsbut he graded out well below average at his position by the major advanced metrics. According to ESPNs Real Plus-Minus, Roses -4.23 RPM ranked No. 81 among 85 point guards, topping only walking disaster Ty Lawson among players who appeared in at least 60 games.
Well, at least he was terrible, but not constantly drunk terrible.
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Robin Lopez is a nice guy in the locker room, solid center, too. But if you can get Westbrook plus x next summer by moving him...yeah.
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It's a one year prove it deal. Hardly the same as signing someone like Amare to a 5 year max deal.
Rose has been injured but really came on in the second half of last year and will look great in the pick and roll with KP. Whether or not we sign anyone big I think we are unequivocally more attractive to free agents on the chance that Rose does continue the upward slope to his play that he enjoyed last season. He is a good passer and while not the best defender, anyone is better than Calderon.
Also it's been said but there was no one at PG available in the market we got ourselves cap space and now have a ton of options at center. Phil has shown he gets players at his price on reasonable contracts, all of the FAs last year showed that, who is to say we can't get D12 or Pau on a very reasonable contract?
I'm as pissed off about the years of bad Knicks teams as anyone and yes it's possible this trade doesn't work out well but all trades are gambles and above all I think Phil has more information than us. People were whining about what happened with Chandler but that made room for Lopez who now people are up in arms about. Phil turned Tim Hardaway Jr. into something that was a trade chip.
This might not work out but there is sound probabilistic reasoning behind it, we had the worst back court in the league last year.
If they can get an older 5 to replace RoLo, like Pau or Noah on a similar deal, do you think it's a terrible deal still?
My gripe with the trade is because:
1. It's not certain that the Knicks will go after similar 5 in FA.
2. They gave up quickly on a potential rotational PG in Grant. But they also waived Wroten, which makes little to no sense unless his recovery isn't going well, or they have another move coming.
If #1 does happen, they're making a bet on a PG for one year, while leaving the same amount of cap space to fill the 2 this summer, and more cap space to plug the hole at the 1 next year.
At least they didn't trade away any 1st rounders.
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trading for a name notwithstanding a massive decline in the game and injury risk. Dont know how anyone could be happy with this trade unless you're totally blinded by the name "Derrick Rose". Hey, lets sign Dr. J!
If they can get an older 5 to replace RoLo, like Pau or Noah on a similar deal, do you think it's a terrible deal still?
My gripe with the trade is because:
1. It's not certain that the Knicks will go after similar 5 in FA.
2. They gave up quickly on a potential rotational PG in Grant. But they also waived Wroten, which makes little to no sense unless his recovery isn't going well, or they have another move coming.
If #1 does happen, they're making a bet on a PG for one year, while leaving the same amount of cap space to fill the 2 this summer, and more cap space to plug the hole at the 1 next year.
At least they didn't trade away any 1st rounders.
Giving Noah or Pau the same deal as Lopez would be absolutely atrocious.One of those 2 at $13,219,250, $13,788,500, $14,357,750, ? No freakin way.
but he's a former MVP! He'll do better on the "big stage"! Phil knows what he's doing!
It's not even remotely "classic" Knicks. Did they trade a first round pick? THAT is "classic" Knicks. Are they locked into anything long-term? Being handcuffed to guys you can't get rid of is "classic" Knicks. It's debatable whether they could've gotten more for RoLo, but otherwise, they didn't give up a lot and they didn't get roped into any long and stupid contracts. In that sense, I'm not sure how anyone can be vociferously angry about the deal.
This is the thing. We all know that Howard is better than Lopez but not when you factor in a 30 million in salary.
Teams keep referencing the cap as an obstacle w/ trades. "Why do I want to trade a $7m player knowing it will cost me $14m to replace him?"
and he's about to opt out of a deal that would have paid him $22 million.
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trading for a name notwithstanding a massive decline in the game and injury risk. Dont know how anyone could be happy with this trade unless you're totally blinded by the name "Derrick Rose". Hey, lets sign Dr. J!
It's not even remotely "classic" Knicks. Did they trade a first round pick? THAT is "classic" Knicks. Are they locked into anything long-term? Being handcuffed to guys you can't get rid of is "classic" Knicks. It's debatable whether they could've gotten more for RoLo, but otherwise, they didn't give up a lot and they didn't get roped into any long and stupid contracts. In that sense, I'm not sure how anyone can be vociferously angry about the deal.
not every Knick trade is an Eddy Curry like disaster. Sometimes you have mini-fuckups like Steve Francis which ended up costing them Ariza.
Bogut played 12 minutes per game in the Finals before he got hurt. The Cavs just flat-out stopped playing their "center" Channing Frye and Mozgov was nowhere to be found. I don't buy that replacing RoLo is this super-important/expensive thing that needs to be done. I'd love Gasol because he's still well, but spending a lot of money on Howard or some of the other options that have been mentioned isn't necessary.
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In comment 13005315 Deej said:
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trading for a name notwithstanding a massive decline in the game and injury risk. Dont know how anyone could be happy with this trade unless you're totally blinded by the name "Derrick Rose". Hey, lets sign Dr. J!
If they can get an older 5 to replace RoLo, like Pau or Noah on a similar deal, do you think it's a terrible deal still?
My gripe with the trade is because:
1. It's not certain that the Knicks will go after similar 5 in FA.
2. They gave up quickly on a potential rotational PG in Grant. But they also waived Wroten, which makes little to no sense unless his recovery isn't going well, or they have another move coming.
If #1 does happen, they're making a bet on a PG for one year, while leaving the same amount of cap space to fill the 2 this summer, and more cap space to plug the hole at the 1 next year.
At least they didn't trade away any 1st rounders.
Giving Noah or Pau the same deal as Lopez would be absolutely atrocious.One of those 2 at $13,219,250, $13,788,500, $14,357,750, ? No freakin way.
Obviously not for the same amount of time. And I have no idea how much either guy would command this FA.
Given that his contract accounted for ~11% of the cap this year, assuming the percentage stays the same it'd be around 10M per year this year. He's going to want more than 7.8M (that's what he would have made this year I believe). Ok, so say it's at about 10M for year, not 13M which would be the RoLo number (even though I said similar). I don't think that 3M difference warrants the hyperbole on your end. Personally I was imagining him being offered a contract around 10M per year anyway.
He retweeted Ballow who then corrected himself and said the pick was 2017.
don't worry - Phil has something up his sleeve! I heard it on BBI.
CORRECTION: #Knicks receive 2017 2nd round pick in the deal. No picks at the moment for tomorrow night.
not every Knick trade is an Eddy Curry like disaster. Sometimes you have mini-fuckups like Steve Francis which ended up costing them Ariza.
Who's Trevor Ariza in this scenario... Jerian Grant? Someone earlier brought up the Bulls' current roster as the "right way" to build a team. If Grant had shown what Bobby Portis or Mirotic (he's not the best example, I know) showed as rookies, they wouldn't have done this trade. If he'd been a lottery pick like Doug McD., they probably wouldn't have traded him so early. He might turn out to be a really good player... every trade has risks. But I can't fault Phil for moving on this quickly.
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Teams keep referencing the cap as an obstacle w/ trades. "Why do I want to trade a $7m player knowing it will cost me $14m to replace him?"
This is a dumb parallel. If the Knicks feel they can sign Noah or Gasol for LESS than what RoLo made, while also developing a young guy who plays the same position (Willy), how is it costing them double to replace him with an admittedly older player with a not-so-steep drop off in production?
Then on top of that, they potentially have a piece that improves one of their biggest weaknesses tenfold. All the while keeping the same cap space, and making more cap space for next year.
This is a dumb parallel. If the Knicks feel they can sign Noah or Gasol for LESS than what RoLo made, while also developing a young guy who plays the same position (Willy), how is it costing them double to replace him with an admittedly older player with a not-so-steep drop off in production?
did I say it was an exact parallel? Holy fuck. The point is that a lot of guys signed under last year's cap are going to be bargains going forward. That obviously wasn't important to Phil.
Except Rose wasn't good last year. And even if he is he might walk next summer anyway. So you're back to having a gaping hole at the position. Except this time it's worse because you no longer have a former first round pick with some upside who might contribute. But the bright side is that you might get 25 games of Noah...or maybe the decline years of Pau!
Shumpert with a better shot from 3?
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This is a dumb parallel. If the Knicks feel they can sign Noah or Gasol for LESS than what RoLo made, while also developing a young guy who plays the same position (Willy), how is it costing them double to replace him with an admittedly older player with a not-so-steep drop off in production?
did I say it was an exact parallel? Holy fuck. The point is that a lot of guys signed under last year's cap are going to be bargains going forward. That obviously wasn't important to Phil.
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Then on top of that, they potentially have a piece that improves one of their biggest weaknesses tenfold. All the while keeping the same cap space, and making more cap space for next year.
Except Rose wasn't good last year. And even if he is he might walk next summer anyway. So you're back to having a gaping hole at the position. Except this time it's worse because you no longer have a former first round pick with some upside who might contribute. But the bright side is that you might get 25 games of Noah...or maybe the decline years of Pau!
Right, except now they've filled the PG hole for the next year, instead of being forced to spend a max on a PG when there are limited options available.
This covers up the PG hole until there is a much bigger market at the position. At the end of the day, it's a potential (albeit temporary) solution to the massive hole in the backcourt. And if they sign a stopgap 5 like Gasol while giving Willy time to develop, you mitigate the loss of RoLo somewhat.
I would have preferred to keep Grant and see what he developed into. But the fact that they included him in the deal makes me believe that they were going to try to upgrade at PG regardless.
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mostly a throw in, but what do we think of Justin Holiday? He's one of I believe 5 people on the roster right now, so he has a pretty good shot at making the team by default. Apparently he's a great defender and shot .433 from 3 in limited minutes with the Bulls last year.
Shumpert with a better shot from 3?
That would be a major coup as a throw in to this deal.
Second, RoLo sucked. I'm sorry, but watching that doofus mishandle the ball, play defense with his hands down and be generally unaware on the court was infuriating.
Rose for a year with a possibility of bringing in a real big man in Howard and then Westbrook after Rose becomes a FA is definitely a decent trade off.
Who is really considering Rose as a long term answer at point?
could be a guy. We will see.
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mostly a throw in, but what do we think of Justin Holiday? He's one of I believe 5 people on the roster right now, so he has a pretty good shot at making the team by default. Apparently he's a great defender and shot .433 from 3 in limited minutes with the Bulls last year.
could be a guy. We will see.
Why even respond? Thanks for that groundbreaking analysis.
I'm in on this trade. I think the Knicks today are a better team.
I think he would for a few reasons. Dwight has always wanted respect and fame and to win in a big market. I think Phil can sell him on that and playing with some other stars. A young big that he can form a great defensive tandem with that doesn't need to be in the paint on O. Also I think we are a good match with Phil, it's pretty clear that teams have soured on him as a person, that makes him a less attractive free agent. If there are teams offering him the max, I don't think they are competitive ones. There is definitely a perception that he isn't a great guy to have in your locker room we can arbitrage that by having someone like Phil that can manage egos like his well.
Also with the cap going up it is possible he might want to prove himself again and sign one last big deal. I could see him signing like 4 years $80M with opt outs every year.
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In comment 13005368 Jon in NYC said:
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mostly a throw in, but what do we think of Justin Holiday? He's one of I believe 5 people on the roster right now, so he has a pretty good shot at making the team by default. Apparently he's a great defender and shot .433 from 3 in limited minutes with the Bulls last year.
could be a guy. We will see.
Why even respond? Thanks for that groundbreaking analysis.
Uh, you're welcome
Did you mean 2016? The video's titled "Derrick Rose 2016 - Welcome to the Knicks.."
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hyped, take a look at this highlight tape for D Rose using only 2015 clips. Link - ( New Window )
Did you mean 2016? The video's titled "Derrick Rose 2016 - Welcome to the Knicks.."
Well the 2015-2016 season.
Also, has anyone figured out why Tony Wroten was cut?