NFT: Knicks/Draft Day Talk 6/23

names in the 2nd that intrigue me:

Malcom Brogdon, Caris Levert, Isiah Whitehead, Ben Bentil.

so we can take a player we give up on after one season

I have no problems buying a pick, get a year of service and use that player as a trading chip.

In comment 13005610 Deej said:

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so we can take a player we give up on after one season

Come on man, it isn't quite fair to say that they "gave up" on Grant.

Would Knicks be able to sign d rose after using cap spacenext year or would he have a cap hold? Basically can Knicks sign 2 max guys next year and then go over cap to resign rose assuming he plays well and stays healthy?

the knicks should just never ever ever pick a player again because they might end up trading that player or "give up" on them.........We get it you didnt like the trade.

every player has a cap hold. So yes the knicks can go over the cap to sign rose, but his cap hold is going to be pretty huge, like 25-30 mill huge.

In comment 13005620 GMEN46 said:

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Would Knicks be able to sign d rose after using cap spacenext year or would he have a cap hold? Basically can Knicks sign 2 max guys next year and then go over cap to resign rose assuming he plays well and stays healthy?

There's always a cap hold for guys, even if you have their birds. So basically there's no way we could do 2 another two max players, Melo AND Rose, unless Rose took a pretty big paycut.

are offering 1.5 million around the league for a #2 though some "experts" think the going rate is now closer to 3.

draft with no picks. That said there will be guys we all talk about that will go undrafted and the knicks with a lot of roster spots could be in a good spot to have their pick of those guys.

"A playmaking two-guard would help; the Knicks are expected to aggressively pursue free agent Evan Turner to fill that role."
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and Evan Turner may be the worst shooting backcourt of all time.

Need to get a couple of 2nd rounders and cheap undrafted guys to start filling out roster...

It will basically take up the rest of their cap space depending on what they do this year in free agency

gave a tepid "thumbs up/it's fine" to the Rose deal but Rose + Turner seems like a horrendous combo. Talk about giving defenders room to sag off of players. YUCK

to rose. We seem to need more of a 3 and D type guy which Turner is not. Maybe a Courtney Lee would make sense. To be honest id rather go with Gerald Henderson at probably half the cost of Turner. Henderson is similar in that he is kind of that do all player that does not excel at any one thing. Plus i believe he is a solid defender but i could be wrong.

Rose and Turner despise each other too.

In comment 13005619 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 13005610 Deej said: Quote: so we can take a player we give up on after one season Come on man, it isn't quite fair to say that they "gave up" on Grant.

It's kind of fair. They took him in the first and a year later they're trading him for a one year rental at the same position who will play in a season where we have zero championship aspirations (barring Durant signing here).

Combo added in free agency is a good combo to add, then add some veteran depth with remaining money

Can't add another slasher, Melo can play off the ball but he is still going to have the ball in his hands a lot so the 2 guard can't be a guy who can't shoot...

I prefer Noah over Pau because of his toughness and defense he brings but either one I am OK with to a certain dollar amount

the two remaining starting spots. Do they spend big on big like Howard, Horford, whiteside, etc.. and then go bargain shopping for a Guard. Or do they maybe try to go a bit balanced and go after a Turner knowing that it will put them in the Gasol, noah, etc.. market. Since i dont really like turner at his supposed price point id rather go for the difference making big and figure out the SG with what money they have left.

this team needs a spot up shooter with range. And a corner 3 guy.

Crabbe and Gasol. Crabbe gives you the youth/upside this team needs and Gasol is still a very good player even if his D isnt what it used to be. Then just go out and find a defensive big to backup Gasol/KP. Defense only bigs can usually be found fairly cheap.

I think Phil goes bargain with Pau or noah

Then goes hard after a shooting guard, said this yesterday push for Derozan or Batum if no go after Fournier or crabbe

They drafted a pure pick and roll college PG, and had him play in a system he had no clue what to do in. And traded him in a year.

Why is BBI so quick to give up on young players, whether it's football or basketball. It defies logic how some posters love young talent until they're not an instant success.

should be the first guys they go after just based on age and upside. These guys are young and their best basketball should be ahead of them. That said i see no chance they get Derozan.

I wouldnt be shocked if Dwight gets less money then people think he will. He doesnt have the best reputation around the league, isnt getting younger, and their are other FA centers out there you could spend on. If the knicks got DH for a reasonable deal id be pretty happy. They seem so old but its crazy that Rose is 27 and Howard is only 30, i guess all their injuries make them seem older.

i think some of it was just the eye test for people. We loved shumpert way longer then we should have because he showed us a lot that rookie year. Grant was just not very good. Im not saying a guy has to be a star right out of the gate, or even average, but they shouldnt look like crap. Grant looked like crap. Couldnt shoot, couldnt finish around the rim, etc.. I think we all would have been thrilled if he became a league avg PG and the odds of him doing that just dont seem that good to me.

I would think about it but he is going to want minimum 25 a year in my opinion

Sources: Charlotte's offering No. 22 - if team will take contract of Spencer Hawes or Jeremy Lamb. Hornets need space to re-sign free agents

Sources: Several Western teams aggressive on Thad Young, whom Brooklyn's working to move to highest bidder. This gets Nets into first-round.

In comment 13005695 CromartiesKid21 said:

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Sources: Charlotte's offering No. 22 - if team will take contract of Spencer Hawes or Jeremy Lamb. Hornets need space to re-sign free agents

Fuck that, lamb makes 7 million a year for the next 2 years, and hawes makes 5

And traded melo to rebuild that is the type of trade with Charlotte that would make sense

neither player is making much (around 6-7 per) and both could actually help the knicks. Lamb isnt the shooter we need, but if he was the starting 2 i wouldnt hate it. Plus those contracts are going to be peanuts in a couple years. And hawes has a PO next year and with the way contracts are going to go it wouldnt shock me if he opted out.

Has lamb as a free agent this year and hawes has a player option for next year. I would think hawes would def opt out after this year with cap increase.

"all over that" is a stretch, but i think they should consider it. Lamb is still only 24 years old and had a PER around 16 last year in limited minutes. Again we really need a shooter for the 2 guard, but lamb could be a solid addtion, the length of his deal would give me the most pause.

In comment 13005686 Italianju said:

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i think some of it was just the eye test for people. We loved shumpert way longer then we should have because he showed us a lot that rookie year. Grant was just not very good. Im not saying a guy has to be a star right out of the gate, or even average, but they shouldnt look like crap. Grant looked like crap. Couldnt shoot, couldnt finish around the rim, etc.. I think we all would have been thrilled if he became a league avg PG and the odds of him doing that just dont seem that good to me.

He absolutely struggled, and college seniors at their advanced age can't afford to, but he wasn't put into a fair situation either. They expected him to figure out the triangle, which is tough for a guard used to playing with the ball in his hands, and then he got stuck with a sad ass coach who was only interested in trying to keep his job. Very little attempt to develop him. Playing under Hornacek, who has a track record of success with PGs, would've at least given us a chance to see what he is.

Lamb signed a 3 year 21 mill extension.

had value across the league, and we utilized it to upgrade the position. That isn't "giving up on him". That's like saying we gave up on Gallo to get Melo. C'mon folks.

rate on late firsts is extremely poor. I wouldn't risk dipping into our 2017 stash for one.

In comment 13005698 CromartiesKid21 said:

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Sources: Several Western teams aggressive on Thad Young, whom Brooklyn's working to move to highest bidder. This gets Nets into first-round.

i would be OK with that --- he should be a 6th man type on a good team

We'll end up spending more for a free agent without the pick.

Although at this point nothing less than a lottery pick excites the Sixers fanbase.

lamb to make the move. If you see him as a contributor to a good team then it makes some sense, but if your doing it just to get the pick its not worth it. To bad Hawes doesnt have a TO after next year instead of a PO, id feel better knowing he would 100% be gone after the season.

stuff I read on Twitter from the analysts and what I've seen on You Tube so obviously, I'm an expert on this draft. Haha



Tier 1:

SF DeAndre' Bembry of St. Joseph's


Tier 2:

PF/C Thon Maker of Australia
SG/SF Caris LeVert (if the foot problems check out) of Michigan
PG Gary Payton II of Oregon State

Tier 3:

PF Zhou Qi of China
PF Pascal Siakam of New Mexico State
PF Joel Bolomboy of Weber State
C Cheick Diallo of Kansas
SG Malcolm Brogdon of Virginia
PG/SG Pat McCaw of UNLV
PG/SG Isaiah Whitehead of Seton Hall

Is he going to come over this year or is he going to stay in Europe?

In comment 13005758 Jay on the Island said:

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Is he going to come over this year or is he going to stay in Europe?

Supposedly wants to come over. Rumor is the Knicks have offered 4 years 4.5.

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Instead, in a deal Forman called "a retool rather than a rebuild," the Bulls proactively tried to get some return for Rose, clearly the best player in the trade. Sources said other exploratory talks led to teams asking the Bulls to include a future first-round pick to take on Rose's contract, knowing he could walk in free agency next summer.

very little has changed at MSG.
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In comment 13005760 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13005758 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Is he going to come over this year or is he going to stay in Europe? Supposedly wants to come over. Rumor is the Knicks have offered 4 years 4.5.

Thanks Dan, any news on how he performed last year? Is he an option to steal some minutes at center?

In comment 13005758 Jay on the Island said:

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Is he going to come over this year or is he going to stay in Europe?

Knicks want to bring him over, but from what I last read about it the play himself isn't quite sure he wants to leave yet.

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The Post has learned the Knicks paid the Sixers $1.5 million for the 35th overall pick last year, which they used for center Willy Hernangomez, whom they plan to bring aboard for next season. Early second-rounders are the most economical in the draft because the minimum contract is $535,000.

This moron still doesn't know we also traded two future seconds to get Willy. He also doesn't know that in a year where most teams are significantly under the cap - second rounders may end up making more than first rounders.
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