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NFT: Knicks/Draft Day Talk 6/23

Jon in NYC : 6/23/2016 7:33 am
Right now Knicks currently on the roster:

C. Kyle O'Quinn
Pf. Kristaps
Sf. Melo
Sg. Gallo (Qualifying Offer), Justin Holiday
Pg. Derrick Rose

That's it. 9 holes to fill, about 26 mil in cap space and as of right now 0 draft picks to work with.

That said, pretty much everyone is trying to move out of this draft. It sounds like we'll be able to get at least one second, with an outside shot of maybe buying a first.
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RE: Gasol was fantastic in his age 34 and 35 seasons  
Vanzetti : 6/23/2016 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13006613 Deej said:
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obviously the wheels can fall off, but his game appears to be aging well.


Gasol on a two-year deal is an utter no brainer. The problem is if he wants a longer deal.
fwiw  
hitdog42 : 6/23/2016 4:39 pm : link
i would be very surprised if linsanity did not end up a net.
RE: RE: Orlando can and should overpay  
Deej : 6/23/2016 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13006614 Aspano! said:
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they have more assets than they can use. They need to spend 5 quarters to get a dollar player.



You think if Butler is a real option for them, they could potentially do a deal of both Oladipo and Fournier S&T? The numbers would work out I think.


I think Chicago would want Hez over Fournier. cost control. Also, easier to Google Hez.
RE: Thunder trading Ibaka  
JoeMoney19 : 6/23/2016 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13006479 Deej said:
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would make a KD departure more likely (or signal KD has already said he's maybe/probably leaving).

I don't see why it would make a KD departure more likely. He has regressed and they would open up his money to do something else.
RE: RE: I'm sorry  
David in LA : 6/23/2016 4:42 pm : link
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But I simply don't see how Durant and Melo coexist. I would rather play the year out with Rose, let him earn a contract, and then make the big push for Russell Westbrook.



You are seriously arguing that you would not sign Durant if he wanted to come here because it is better to wait for Westbrook?


He's one of the dumbest pieces of shit on this entire board. That's why.
RE: RE: Thunder trading Ibaka  
Deej : 6/23/2016 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13006634 JoeMoney19 said:
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would make a KD departure more likely (or signal KD has already said he's maybe/probably leaving).


I don't see why it would make a KD departure more likely. He has regressed and they would open up his money to do something else.


You dont want money this offseason. You want guys on old deals. Ibaka makes 12. Afflalo might get 12 in this market. More likely is that they get a pick and give Ibaka's money to Adams.
RE: RE: RE: I'm sorry  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/23/2016 4:58 pm : link
In comment 13006635 David in LA said:
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But I simply don't see how Durant and Melo coexist. I would rather play the year out with Rose, let him earn a contract, and then make the big push for Russell Westbrook.



You are seriously arguing that you would not sign Durant if he wanted to come here because it is better to wait for Westbrook?




He's one of the dumbest pieces of shit on this entire board. That's why.


Lmao. Tell us how you really feel.
Any grumbling on Batum so far?  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/23/2016 5:01 pm : link
Would love if the Knicks went ahead and signed him. Get him and Pau and I'm done with the offseason.
this was discussed earlier  
Enzo : 6/23/2016 5:01 pm : link
in the thread. Good to have some clarification:
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Tommy Beer ‏@TommyBeer 28m28 minutes ago
Knicks sent $100k to Orlando last July in O'Quinn deal, which means NY has $3.3 million to pay for a draft pick tonight


What stops a team from agreeing to pay money from next years pool  
Italianju : 6/23/2016 5:08 pm : link
Couldn't they just wait until July one to make the deal official.
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DanMetroMan : 6/23/2016 5:12 pm : link
The Dallas Mavericks expect to be granted a meeting in the opening hours of free agency with Miami Heat center Hassan Whiteside, one of their two primary targets this summer, sources told ESPN.com.

Memphis Grizzlies point guard Mike Conley is the other top target for the Mavs, according to sources, as Dallas attempts to construct a core that will allow the franchise to be competitive during Dirk Nowitzki's twilight and beyond.
Is Hernangomez coming to the Knicks?  
blueblood : 6/23/2016 5:23 pm : link
or not??
Hernangomez  
Big Rick in FL : 6/23/2016 5:24 pm : link
Woj just said Hernangomez plans to join the Knicks this season.
RE: What stops a team from agreeing to pay money from next years pool  
Enzo : 6/23/2016 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13006671 Italianju said:
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Couldn't they just wait until July one to make the deal official.

good question. Could be that if you wait until the new league year there are cap implications, i.e. you're acquiring a player and not a pick. Although that won't be an issue for most teams this summer.
RE: Is Hernangomez coming to the Knicks?  
Deej : 6/23/2016 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13006693 blueblood said:
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or not??


Sounds likely but they cant negotiate until 7/7 or 7/9. Any earlier statement would indicate tampering.
RE: Is Hernangomez coming to the Knicks?  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2016 5:26 pm : link
In comment 13006693 blueblood said:
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or not??


Nothing can be done officially until July 1, but it seems certain he's on his way. Mills indicated as much on the recent MSG show introducing Hornacek, and reports surfaced a few weeks ago that a four-year deal was on the table. Sucks that he might not make it in time for Summer League, but we'll see.
Oh damn, it's after July 1?  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2016 5:26 pm : link
Then there's no chance at Summer League. My mistake.
Not really a surprise  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/23/2016 6:27 pm : link
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Phil Jackson says he anticipates re-signing free agents Lance Thomas and Langston Galloway.

RE: Not really a surprise  
Jon in NYC : 6/23/2016 6:32 pm : link
In comment 13006736 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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@IanBegley

Phil Jackson says he anticipates re-signing free agents Lance Thomas and Langston Galloway.





Good. Both are cheap, young and good.
BBI, you failed me today.  
Jon in NYC : 6/23/2016 6:36 pm : link
I present, Gilbert Arenas.
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Might be a little insight on what the Knicks think  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/23/2016 6:40 pm : link
of Porz playing the 5.

Hornacek on needs for FA: "The 2 guard, with Arron opting out. And obviously without Robin, we need a center."
RE: RE: Not really a surprise  
Deej : 6/23/2016 6:55 pm : link
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@IanBegley

Phil Jackson says he anticipates re-signing free agents Lance Thomas and Langston Galloway.







Good. Both are cheap, young and good.


hopefully cheap. Worried about Lance.
Does no Ibaka piss  
Carl in CT : 6/23/2016 9:14 pm : link
Off Durant? Anyone know if they are close?
RE: Does no Ibaka piss  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/23/2016 9:15 pm : link
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Off Durant? Anyone know if they are close?


They just got Victor Oladipo for nothing. He can't be that pissed.
RE: Does no Ibaka piss  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2016 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13006915 Carl in CT said:
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Off Durant? Anyone know if they are close?


Supposedly it ibaka was Durant mom favorite player but who knows lol..

People are also saying rose and Durant are close, really I don't think anyone knows...

I am surprised they traded ibaka though
Damn any word on the pick?  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2016 10:38 pm : link
Murray, Davis and Skal are guys id certainly take
Skal was so  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/23/2016 11:26 pm : link
worthless at Kentucky last year, that it's hard for me to get excited about trying to get him. I know it's about his upside, but it's still a tough pill to swallow.
RE: RE: RE: I'm sorry  
chopperhatch : 6/24/2016 12:03 am : link
In comment 13006635 David in LA said:
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But I simply don't see how Durant and Melo coexist. I would rather play the year out with Rose, let him earn a contract, and then make the big push for Russell Westbrook.



You are seriously arguing that you would not sign Durant if he wanted to come here because it is better to wait for Westbrook?




He's one of the dumbest pieces of shit on this entire board. That's why.


Yea I'm dumb. Go fleece some old woman out of her joolz you fucking coward. Lol.

Yes me wanting Westbrook more than Durant because having Durant and Melo on the floor at the same time makes me fucking dumb. How did that work out with Amaro and Melo, huh ding dong?
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm sorry  
chopperhatch : 6/24/2016 12:05 am : link
In comment 13007107 chopperhatch said:
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But I simply don't see how Durant and Melo coexist. I would rather play the year out with Rose, let him earn a contract, and then make the big push for Russell Westbrook.



You are seriously arguing that you would not sign Durant if he wanted to come here because it is better to wait for Westbrook?




He's one of the dumbest pieces of shit on this entire board. That's why.



Yea I'm dumb. Go fleece some old woman out of her joolz you fucking coward. Lol.

Yes me wanting Westbrook more than Durant because having Durant and Melo on the floor at the same time makes me fucking dumb. How did that work out with Amaro and Melo, huh ding dong?


Obviously Amare
And "ding dong" should read dickhead.  
chopperhatch : 6/24/2016 12:10 am : link
Google keyboard's auto correct is nuts.

Seriously David, nobody likes you.
We got one!  
Anakim : 6/24/2016 12:28 am : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA
Sources: Wichita State's Ron Baker has agreed to a partially guaranteed 1-year deal with the New York Knicks. Baker was undrafted tonight.
Celtics got 8 picks.  
manh george : 6/24/2016 12:32 am : link
We got zero. What are the Celtics going to do with 8 picks? Europe isn't big enough to stash the surplus.

Maybe we buy a drafted player after the draft is over.
RE: We got one!  
Del Shofner : 6/24/2016 12:40 am : link
In comment 13007115 Anakim said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA
Sources: Wichita State's Ron Baker has agreed to a partially guaranteed 1-year deal with the New York Knicks. Baker was undrafted tonight.


from the Wichita paper on Baker, who is 6'4" and 220:

Baker knows he is a possible second-round pick. Thats a wide range and Thursday could end with him drafted or not, and it might not matter much to his NBA future. Regardless of how he gets there, his summer will almost certainly include a trip to one or more of the NBAs summer leagues and, perhaps, an invitation to an NBA training camp. By the early fall, his future in the NBA, overseas or in the NBA Development League should become clear.

There are scenarios in which he is better off drafted proof a team sees a fit for his talents and scenarios where he is better off overlooked on Thursday, allowing him to choose his team. A team could draft him in the second round and ask him to play a year overseas. Baker will watch Thursdays draft in Kansas City with his family.

You want to make sure you put yourself in the best fit for you, Baker said. Everybodys got their own route as far as making it to the NBA. Sometimes, unfortunately, its not going straight from college to the NBA.

Baker said he feels good about his workouts, particularly in Dallas (pick No. 46) and Detroit (No. 49) and two with Milwaukee (the Bucks own picks No. 36 and No. 38). The hectic pace of travel and workouts allowed him to showcase his fitness level. He said he believes he showcased his defensive abilities and smarts in the workouts and the NBA Combine in Chicago in May.

I definitely felt like I was in better shape than most kids, he said. Most of these workouts are in 3-on-3 settings, so being a vocal defensive player and knowing positioning on the court is very important.

Neither NBADraft.net nor DraftExpress lists Baker in their mock drafts. Gary Parrish of CBSSports.com slots him No. 56 to Denver. Sam Vecenie of CBSSports.com compares him to former Kansas star Kirk Hinrich, who finished his 13th NBA season with Atlanta.

When you think of Ron in college, you think of him a lot as a (shooting guard), next to Fred VanVleet, Vecenie said. In the NBA, I kind of see him a little bit more as a defensive-minded (point guard) who can really shoot the ball, who can move the ball well and maybe play next to a more dominant, ball-handling (shooting guard). Hes a great, long, rangy defender.

The Kniicks probably acted  
Phil in LA : 6/24/2016 12:41 am : link
Rationally. There are a lot of UDFA's who are likely as good or bad as 45 of the ones who were just drafted.
RE: The Kniicks probably acted  
Del Shofner : 6/24/2016 12:46 am : link
In comment 13007125 Phil in LA said:
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Rationally. There are a lot of UDFA's who are likely as good or bad as 45 of the ones who were just drafted.


yeah - per Begley @ ESPN:

"The Knicks elected not to buy a second-round pick. It seems like there are plenty of talented players that went undrafted -- including Gary Payton II, Dorian Finney-Smith, Yogi Ferrell and Troy Williams -- so the Knicks can sign these players as undrafted free agents without having to spend more than $2 million on the pick. Still, the Knicks have only five players under contract, so they'll have plenty of rosters spots to fill in the coming weeks."
That may be true, Phil...  
manh george : 6/24/2016 12:47 am : link
but the only recent time that it worked out that way for the Knicks was Galloway. And the scouting reports I have seen on a large number of the players who went in the first half of the second round were pretty intriguing.

Btw, I wonder if they re-sign Early. They certainly have room.
RE: RE: The Kniicks probably acted  
Anakim : 6/24/2016 12:51 am : link
In comment 13007127 Del Shofner said:
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Rationally. There are a lot of UDFA's who are likely as good or bad as 45 of the ones who were just drafted.



yeah - per Begley @ ESPN:

"The Knicks elected not to buy a second-round pick. It seems like there are plenty of talented players that went undrafted -- including Gary Payton II, Dorian Finney-Smith, Yogi Ferrell and Troy Williams -- so the Knicks can sign these players as undrafted free agents without having to spend more than $2 million on the pick. Still, the Knicks have only five players under contract, so they'll have plenty of rosters spots to fill in the coming weeks."


Payton signed a three year deal with the Rockets
So right now  
bceagle05 : 6/24/2016 12:59 am : link
we have Melo, KP, Rose, Holiday and O'Quinn under contract, and you can probably throw in Hernangomez. Phil said tonight that he expects to be able to re-sign Lance and Langston. Should be some spots available for Ron Baker and some other Summer Leaguers. We have a LONG way to go.
Baker  
colin : 6/24/2016 1:00 am : link
Can shoot.
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RE: Baker  
Del Shofner : 6/24/2016 1:07 am : link
In comment 13007135 colin said:
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Can shoot. Lonk - ( New Window )


reading up on Baker, he seems to be somewhat in the mold that Hornacek was as a player - relatively tall combo guard who can shoot and defend.
"Ron Baker the 3pt. Maker"  
Canton : 6/24/2016 8:02 am : link
He shoots them from way down town. Looks like he prepared himself for the NBA, from where he was launching them.
RE: RE: Baker  
Deej : 6/24/2016 8:35 am : link
In comment 13007137 Del Shofner said:
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Can shoot. Lonk - ( New Window )



reading up on Baker, he seems to be somewhat in the mold that Hornacek was as a player - relatively tall combo guard who can shoot and defend.


But isnt very good at either. Also there are some reasons to believe he'll struggle defensively against NBA athletes -- he's got a lateral quickness knock.

Im glad to sign guys, and would sign more. But there is a reason he was undrafted in a draft where it seems now one wanted any of the players taken after the lottery.
Aside from the Durant ESPN screenshot, a pretty damn  
Heisenberg : 6/24/2016 8:39 am : link
underwhelming night.

Baker looks interesting and has some range to his game. But, whatever.
6'4 220 sounds like too big to play PG  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/24/2016 8:40 am : link
Put him in the mix for Safety for the Giants.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/24/2016 9:03 am : link
do like Gary Payton II. He is athletic and can defend. He actually reminds me a bit of Fisher.
Joakim noah was in new York with Derrick rose last night  
nygiants16 : 6/24/2016 9:11 am : link
I think it's a lock he signs with new york...hopefully signs for enough to make him happy but less enough so knicks still have the max
RE: Joakim noah was in new York with Derrick rose last night  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/24/2016 9:13 am : link
In comment 13007340 nygiants16 said:
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I think it's a lock he signs with new york...hopefully signs for enough to make him happy but less enough so knicks still have the max


I want Noah before Pau, but Noah might want quite a bit of cash. I just feel like Pau is very, very close to finished.
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arcarsenal : 6/24/2016 9:20 am : link
Could we feasibly land Noah and still have room for KD? I don't even bother trying to get knee deep in the NBA cap stuff, it makes my fucking head spin.
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Jon in NYC : 6/24/2016 9:27 am : link
In comment 13007362 arcarsenal said:
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Could we feasibly land Noah and still have room for KD? I don't even bother trying to get knee deep in the NBA cap stuff, it makes my fucking head spin.


Assuming Noah is in the 8-12M range, yes.
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arcarsenal : 6/24/2016 9:30 am : link
Thanks, Bosh.
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