The existence of an amendment to the constitution is not a policy argument, which was the question. Pointing to the 10th amendment may answer WHY the law is what it is, but not WHETHER the law should be what it is.
Also, the 10th amendment is entirely superfluous, a fact that was noted even at its adoption. The Supreme Court has noted that it "added nothing" to the Constitution
Whether or not it's superflous, or adds nothing, it is still there and is the law of the land and must be heeded. Or repealed by further amendment.
Yes, well. A good sized chunk of Americans believe that Canada is a communist country. Another chunk believe the bible to be a literal history book. That doesn't mean people don't know what they're voting for.
I'm a believer in wisdom of crowds.
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Yes, well. A good sized chunk of Americans believe that Canada is a communist country. Another chunk believe the bible to be a literal history book. That doesn't mean people don't know what they're voting for.
I'm a believer in wisdom of crowds.
You're being generous. Most people don't know the adjoining state to theirs and probably think Canada is part of the USA.
RE: RE: RE: We give the general public too much credit here Â
Yes, well. A good sized chunk of Americans believe that Canada is a communist country. Another chunk believe the bible to be a literal history book. That doesn't mean people don't know what they're voting for.
I'm a believer in wisdom of crowds.
You're being generous. Most people don't know the adjoining state to theirs and probably think Canada is part of the USA.
I dated a girl once, where upon watching a TV show (I think it was House MD), asked why a character needed a passport to enter Canada.
but the fact that the markets and the currency are taking a pounding is not proof that this was a bad decision. For one, Britain over the next several years is going to have to deal with the fact that the Continental powers will welcome bad news about her economy (in the same way that the austerity-phobes trumpeted every piece of bad economic news when Cameron was pushing something that looked like austerity). Britain will be punished, implicitly or explicitly, by those who disagreed with the decision and who seek to prevent copycats. There are potential economic benefits to departure, especially if Britain can present itself as being a low-regulation, liberalized market relative to the Continent.
But on the whole, this smarmy, condescending response to this vote on our side of the pond and on theirs does not help matters. Some of the most important catalysts for this vote were policy decisions made by other leaders, specifically the shortcomings of our Iraq/Syria policy from 2011 on and then the decisions made on the continent to take in large numbers of refugees. These decisions were, in numerous instances, lauded by these same decisionmakers who are angry and aghast at the Leave vote.
RE: RE: We give the general public too much credit here Â
Yes, well. A good sized chunk of Americans believe that Canada is a communist country. Another chunk believe the bible to be a literal history book. That doesn't mean people don't know what they're voting for.
I'm a believer in wisdom of crowds.
I believe in it for some things. But on matters that really require expertise, they add nothing. I dont care how many laymen form the crowd, there isnt an amount of wisdom that comes forth that will reliably make sure that a bowel resection is done properly. I'd rather one average surgeon do that.
Similarly, there are a lot of reasons to believe that the crowd (or when we dont like what they do, the mob), is really not all that suited to coming up with the optimal course of action for something as complex as Brexit. And unfortunately, speaking for our country, "expertise" has become a dirty word.
that's not my snotty way of saying that the mob were a bunch of fools for voting Leave. I leaned Stay but I bought some of the arguments for leave (especially ones that didnt involve the term "Muzzie"), and I could see an informed, rational person voting Leave.
the dairy one (mayo) and the vinegar one. Both are good. I prefer the mayo one in most applications, and in particular in a little paper cup at NY diners. I think the vinegar one tends to pair with BBQ.
RE: RE: RE: We give the general public too much credit here Â
Yes, well. A good sized chunk of Americans believe that Canada is a communist country. Another chunk believe the bible to be a literal history book. That doesn't mean people don't know what they're voting for.
I'm a believer in wisdom of crowds.
You're being generous. Most people don't know the adjoining state to theirs and probably think Canada is part of the USA.
My wife's sister, on learning that we were moving to Chicago (years back) said, "That's in Florida, isn't it?"
Three kids in the family, one smart and talented (my wife), one dumb as a box of rocks, and the other a raving maniac biker wannabe. Here's to the future of gene splicing.
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There are lots of different takes on coleslaw, many with no dairy at all. Of course, it it looks like someone jizzed all over it, then it's likely to be dairy.
I saw a woman ask if an egg bagel was vegan once... Â
...consequences/meaning of Brexit, but also what was behind Brexit, which included a strong dose of Nativism. Left unchecked, this impulse can have some very unsavory consequences.
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...consequences/meaning of Brexit, but also what was behind Brexit, which included a strong dose of Nativism. Left unchecked, this impulse can have some very unsavory consequences.
If you keep saying racism (or its functional equivalents) over and over again, it loses its sting and people stop fearing the label.
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...consequences/meaning of Brexit, but also what was behind Brexit, which included a strong dose of Nativism. Left unchecked, this impulse can have some very unsavory consequences.
If you keep saying racism (or its functional equivalents) over and over again, it loses its sting and people stop fearing the label.
Or... there are plenty of Nativists who neither know what the word means and are unaware of how well they fit the definition.
"Racist" or "Nativist" or "Xenophobe" are serious terms... Â
effectively serious charges. And if you use them to describe everything with which you disagree, from opposition to large-scale immigration to voting for a candidate whom you dislike, the charge is going to lose its sting.
effectively serious charges. And if you use them to describe everything with which you disagree, from opposition to large-scale immigration to voting for a candidate whom you dislike, the charge is going to lose its sting.
Dune, I've come to ignore people who think you have to like everyone and if you don't you are a racist, xenophobe, etc. In fact I'm disgusted with the bullying associated with it. You are 100% correct, the meaning is lost or diluted when disagreement means racism and it is bullying.
None needed I really didn't know if there was something in coleslaw that made it dairy. I don't like it but if there is someone out there throwing cheese and other shit in there I might give it another try.
effectively serious charges. And if you use them to describe everything with which you disagree, from opposition to large-scale immigration to voting for a candidate whom you dislike, the charge is going to lose its sting.
xenophobia and racism and nativism at all in the Leave campaign or a certain US campaign, you're being willfully blind. It doesnt describe every voter, for sure, but you're only kidding yourself if you think these campaigns are 100% high minded and good natured.
In my view, this is an early sign, of more political messes... Â
ahead. Add accelerating technological change and its impact on jobs, and the destabilizing economic affects of climate change, and I worry about governmental systems ever getting decently stable in the foreseeable future.
The pull of nativism is just likely to grow--not linearly, but inexorably.
An example of the impact of technological change in the third world, see the link, about Addidas taking manufacturing out of China and the like, and re-siting in developed countries--using robots and very few jobs. More to come.
I find it really really difficult to be optimistic over the near to intermediate term. Link - ( New Window )
effectively serious charges. And if you use them to describe everything with which you disagree, from opposition to large-scale immigration to voting for a candidate whom you dislike, the charge is going to lose its sting.
Your words may be relevant, but they don't apply to me. And if you think they do, you are seriously mistaken.
That physical geography has not changed, but the psychological geography has. Suddenly it will make much less sense to headquarter a big international firm in London, or for a Japanese car-maker to locate a factory – one that aims to sell into Europe – in the north-east of England. Why do it, if you could be in Germany instead? Why come to post-Brexit Britain, where there could soon be the hassle of visas and tariffs and all the rest? Why bother?
The risk is that Britain becomes a kind of offshore oddity, quirky but irrelevant – shut out of the action of its neighbouring continent. That shift will be felt first by the City of London: perhaps few will shed any tears for them, even if financial services are – or used to be – one of this country’s biggest employers. But eventually that new view of Britain could percolate through, affecting our creative industries, our tourism and eventually our place in the world.
Tariffs are going up sharply, both in and out. Close to 200 treaties will have to be negotiated with Europe, and any treaties that resulted from being part of the EU will have to be renegotiated with other countries as well. London as a financial center will diminish--not clear yet how much, but it will diminish. And this creates a pretty strong incentive for Scotland to have another referendum to leave the UK. It would surely pass. We have woken up in a different country. - ( New Window )
effectively serious charges. And if you use them to describe everything with which you disagree, from opposition to large-scale immigration to voting for a candidate whom you dislike, the charge is going to lose its sting.
In it's own way, it's bigotry.
Oh, I see. I make the obvious point that Nativism and Xenophobia were ingredients in the Brexit vote, and you label me a racist in return. Yowzer... you've got quite an imagination there!
xenophobia and racism and nativism at all in the Leave campaign or a certain US campaign, you're being willfully blind. It doesnt describe every voter, for sure, but you're only kidding yourself if you think these campaigns are 100% high minded and good natured.
And if every comment you make consists of accusations of bigotry you're also willfully blind. Because you'r right, less than 100% of these campaigns are high minded and good natured. Of course, less than 100% of EVERY campaign this year is high minded and good natured. And FAR more than 0% of the campaigns you loathe are based on xenophobia and racism and nativism.
xenophobia and racism and nativism at all in the Leave campaign or a certain US campaign, you're being willfully blind. It doesnt describe every voter, for sure, but you're only kidding yourself if you think these campaigns are 100% high minded and good natured.
And if every comment you make consists of accusations of bigotry you're also willfully blind. Because you'r right, less than 100% of these campaigns are high minded and good natured. Of course, less than 100% of EVERY campaign this year is high minded and good natured. And FAR more than 0% of the campaigns you loathe are based on xenophobia and racism and nativism.
make that far more than 0% are based on issues other than xenophobia and racism and nativism.
xenophobia and racism and nativism at all in the Leave campaign or a certain US campaign, you're being willfully blind. It doesnt describe every voter, for sure, but you're only kidding yourself if you think these campaigns are 100% high minded and good natured.
And if every comment you make consists of accusations of bigotry you're also willfully blind. Because you'r right, less than 100% of these campaigns are high minded and good natured. Of course, less than 100% of EVERY campaign this year is high minded and good natured. And FAR more than 0% of the campaigns you loathe are based on xenophobia and racism and nativism.
njm... this last precious piece of yours sounds like you tied your tongue into a triple knot and then tried to say something brilliant, but it just came out all twisted. Why don't you try again?
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It's called the 10th amendment
The existence of an amendment to the constitution is not a policy argument, which was the question. Pointing to the 10th amendment may answer WHY the law is what it is, but not WHETHER the law should be what it is.
Also, the 10th amendment is entirely superfluous, a fact that was noted even at its adoption. The Supreme Court has noted that it "added nothing" to the Constitution
Whether or not it's superflous, or adds nothing, it is still there and is the law of the land and must be heeded. Or repealed by further amendment.
Link - ( New Window )
And yet since it's ratification, the SCOTUS has only struck down a federal mandate twice.
Yes, well. A good sized chunk of Americans believe that Canada is a communist country. Another chunk believe the bible to be a literal history book. That doesn't mean people don't know what they're voting for.
I'm a believer in wisdom of crowds.
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Yes, well. A good sized chunk of Americans believe that Canada is a communist country. Another chunk believe the bible to be a literal history book. That doesn't mean people don't know what they're voting for.
I'm a believer in wisdom of crowds.
You're being generous. Most people don't know the adjoining state to theirs and probably think Canada is part of the USA.
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I find pretty funny Link - ( New Window )
Yes, well. A good sized chunk of Americans believe that Canada is a communist country. Another chunk believe the bible to be a literal history book. That doesn't mean people don't know what they're voting for.
I'm a believer in wisdom of crowds.
You're being generous. Most people don't know the adjoining state to theirs and probably think Canada is part of the USA.
I dated a girl once, where upon watching a TV show (I think it was House MD), asked why a character needed a passport to enter Canada.
She was hot, but so dumb.
But on the whole, this smarmy, condescending response to this vote on our side of the pond and on theirs does not help matters. Some of the most important catalysts for this vote were policy decisions made by other leaders, specifically the shortcomings of our Iraq/Syria policy from 2011 on and then the decisions made on the continent to take in large numbers of refugees. These decisions were, in numerous instances, lauded by these same decisionmakers who are angry and aghast at the Leave vote.
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I find pretty funny Link - ( New Window )
Yes, well. A good sized chunk of Americans believe that Canada is a communist country. Another chunk believe the bible to be a literal history book. That doesn't mean people don't know what they're voting for.
I'm a believer in wisdom of crowds.
I believe in it for some things. But on matters that really require expertise, they add nothing. I dont care how many laymen form the crowd, there isnt an amount of wisdom that comes forth that will reliably make sure that a bowel resection is done properly. I'd rather one average surgeon do that.
Similarly, there are a lot of reasons to believe that the crowd (or when we dont like what they do, the mob), is really not all that suited to coming up with the optimal course of action for something as complex as Brexit. And unfortunately, speaking for our country, "expertise" has become a dirty word.
This is your voting public.
This is your voting public.
Not knowing the ingredients for cole slaw is an indication of someone's intelligence?
(and I agree that most people are morons)
I don't know what is in cole slaw. I just know I don't like it.
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Yes, well. A good sized chunk of Americans believe that Canada is a communist country. Another chunk believe the bible to be a literal history book. That doesn't mean people don't know what they're voting for.
I'm a believer in wisdom of crowds.
You're being generous. Most people don't know the adjoining state to theirs and probably think Canada is part of the USA.
My wife's sister, on learning that we were moving to Chicago (years back) said, "That's in Florida, isn't it?"
Three kids in the family, one smart and talented (my wife), one dumb as a box of rocks, and the other a raving maniac biker wannabe. Here's to the future of gene splicing.
Not really. Cheese IS dairy. Cole Slaw can be made different ways. And maybe she has a dairy allergy.
There are lots of different takes on coleslaw, many with no dairy at all. Of course, it it looks like someone jizzed all over it, then it's likely to be dairy.
[quote] the dairy one (mayo)
Why does mayo make it dairy? (not trying to be a dick, this is a real question)
Correct. There is a misconception that eggs are dairy because of where they are sold in the supermarket, but they're not.
TTH thinks knowing the ingredients in cole slaw is some type of intelligence barometer.
Because UK's next PM appears as though he's wearing it on his head.
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TTH thinks knowing the ingredients in cole slaw is some type of intelligence barometer.
But HE was wrong about cole slaw. Should he e allowed to vote?
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as to Britain exiting the EU?
TTH thinks knowing the ingredients in cole slaw is some type of intelligence barometer.
Well, let's be honest: if you can't figure out what's in slaw, you probably aren't curing cancer.
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TTH thinks knowing the ingredients in cole slaw is some type of intelligence barometer.
But HE was wrong about cole slaw. Should he e allowed to vote?
No worries, nobody's getting my vote this time anyway. Neither side.
If you keep saying racism (or its functional equivalents) over and over again, it loses its sting and people stop fearing the label.
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as to Britain exiting the EU?
TTH thinks knowing the ingredients in cole slaw is some type of intelligence barometer.
Well, let's be honest: if you can't figure out what's in slaw, you probably aren't curing cancer.
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as to Britain exiting the EU?
TTH thinks knowing the ingredients in cole slaw is some type of intelligence barometer.
Well, let's be honest: if you can't figure out what's in slaw, you probably aren't curing cancer.
I bet Einstein didn't know.
And he didn't cure cancer, did he?
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as to Britain exiting the EU?
TTH thinks knowing the ingredients in cole slaw is some type of intelligence barometer.
Well, let's be honest: if you can't figure out what's in slaw, you probably aren't curing cancer.
I know some people (mathematically) smart enough to cure cancer, but too dumb to light a grill. Forget about making cole slaw.
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...consequences/meaning of Brexit, but also what was behind Brexit, which included a strong dose of Nativism. Left unchecked, this impulse can have some very unsavory consequences.
If you keep saying racism (or its functional equivalents) over and over again, it loses its sting and people stop fearing the label.
Or... there are plenty of Nativists who neither know what the word means and are unaware of how well they fit the definition.
Dune, I've come to ignore people who think you have to like everyone and if you don't you are a racist, xenophobe, etc. In fact I'm disgusted with the bullying associated with it. You are 100% correct, the meaning is lost or diluted when disagreement means racism and it is bullying.
In it's own way, it's bigotry.
The pull of nativism is just likely to grow--not linearly, but inexorably.
An example of the impact of technological change in the third world, see the link, about Addidas taking manufacturing out of China and the like, and re-siting in developed countries--using robots and very few jobs. More to come.
I find it really really difficult to be optimistic over the near to intermediate term.
Link - ( New Window )
Your words may be relevant, but they don't apply to me. And if you think they do, you are seriously mistaken.
The risk is that Britain becomes a kind of offshore oddity, quirky but irrelevant – shut out of the action of its neighbouring continent. That shift will be felt first by the City of London: perhaps few will shed any tears for them, even if financial services are – or used to be – one of this country’s biggest employers. But eventually that new view of Britain could percolate through, affecting our creative industries, our tourism and eventually our place in the world.
Tariffs are going up sharply, both in and out. Close to 200 treaties will have to be negotiated with Europe, and any treaties that resulted from being part of the EU will have to be renegotiated with other countries as well. London as a financial center will diminish--not clear yet how much, but it will diminish. And this creates a pretty strong incentive for Scotland to have another referendum to leave the UK. It would surely pass.
We have woken up in a different country. - ( New Window )
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effectively serious charges. And if you use them to describe everything with which you disagree, from opposition to large-scale immigration to voting for a candidate whom you dislike, the charge is going to lose its sting.
In it's own way, it's bigotry.
Oh, I see. I make the obvious point that Nativism and Xenophobia were ingredients in the Brexit vote, and you label me a racist in return. Yowzer... you've got quite an imagination there!
And if every comment you make consists of accusations of bigotry you're also willfully blind. Because you'r right, less than 100% of these campaigns are high minded and good natured. Of course, less than 100% of EVERY campaign this year is high minded and good natured. And FAR more than 0% of the campaigns you loathe are based on xenophobia and racism and nativism.
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xenophobia and racism and nativism at all in the Leave campaign or a certain US campaign, you're being willfully blind. It doesnt describe every voter, for sure, but you're only kidding yourself if you think these campaigns are 100% high minded and good natured.
And if every comment you make consists of accusations of bigotry you're also willfully blind. Because you'r right, less than 100% of these campaigns are high minded and good natured. Of course, less than 100% of EVERY campaign this year is high minded and good natured. And FAR more than 0% of the campaigns you loathe are based on xenophobia and racism and nativism.
make that far more than 0% are based on issues other than xenophobia and racism and nativism.
Not you.
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xenophobia and racism and nativism at all in the Leave campaign or a certain US campaign, you're being willfully blind. It doesnt describe every voter, for sure, but you're only kidding yourself if you think these campaigns are 100% high minded and good natured.
And if every comment you make consists of accusations of bigotry you're also willfully blind. Because you'r right, less than 100% of these campaigns are high minded and good natured. Of course, less than 100% of EVERY campaign this year is high minded and good natured. And FAR more than 0% of the campaigns you loathe are based on xenophobia and racism and nativism.
njm... this last precious piece of yours sounds like you tied your tongue into a triple knot and then tried to say something brilliant, but it just came out all twisted. Why don't you try again?