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glowrider : 6/24/2016 12:02 am
Independence they declare! Brexit wins.
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Victor in CT : 6/24/2016 1:07 pm : link
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It's called the 10th amendment



The existence of an amendment to the constitution is not a policy argument, which was the question. Pointing to the 10th amendment may answer WHY the law is what it is, but not WHETHER the law should be what it is.

Also, the 10th amendment is entirely superfluous, a fact that was noted even at its adoption. The Supreme Court has noted that it "added nothing" to the Constitution


Whether or not it's superflous, or adds nothing, it is still there and is the law of the land and must be heeded. Or repealed by further amendment.
We give the general public too much credit here  
bubba0825 : 6/24/2016 1:10 pm : link
I find pretty funny
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Modus Operandi : 6/24/2016 1:11 pm : link
I'm quite familiar with the tenth amendment.

And yet since it's ratification, the SCOTUS has only struck down a federal mandate twice.
RE: We give the general public too much credit here  
Modus Operandi : 6/24/2016 1:18 pm : link
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Yes, well. A good sized chunk of Americans believe that Canada is a communist country. Another chunk believe the bible to be a literal history book. That doesn't mean people don't know what they're voting for.

I'm a believer in wisdom of crowds.
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section125 : 6/24/2016 1:32 pm : link
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Yes, well. A good sized chunk of Americans believe that Canada is a communist country. Another chunk believe the bible to be a literal history book. That doesn't mean people don't know what they're voting for.

I'm a believer in wisdom of crowds.


You're being generous. Most people don't know the adjoining state to theirs and probably think Canada is part of the USA.
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Modus Operandi : 6/24/2016 1:35 pm : link
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Yes, well. A good sized chunk of Americans believe that Canada is a communist country. Another chunk believe the bible to be a literal history book. That doesn't mean people don't know what they're voting for.

I'm a believer in wisdom of crowds.



You're being generous. Most people don't know the adjoining state to theirs and probably think Canada is part of the USA.


I dated a girl once, where upon watching a TV show (I think it was House MD), asked why a character needed a passport to enter Canada.

She was hot, but so dumb.
I had mixed feelings about the whole thing...  
Dunedin81 : 6/24/2016 1:56 pm : link
but the fact that the markets and the currency are taking a pounding is not proof that this was a bad decision. For one, Britain over the next several years is going to have to deal with the fact that the Continental powers will welcome bad news about her economy (in the same way that the austerity-phobes trumpeted every piece of bad economic news when Cameron was pushing something that looked like austerity). Britain will be punished, implicitly or explicitly, by those who disagreed with the decision and who seek to prevent copycats. There are potential economic benefits to departure, especially if Britain can present itself as being a low-regulation, liberalized market relative to the Continent.

But on the whole, this smarmy, condescending response to this vote on our side of the pond and on theirs does not help matters. Some of the most important catalysts for this vote were policy decisions made by other leaders, specifically the shortcomings of our Iraq/Syria policy from 2011 on and then the decisions made on the continent to take in large numbers of refugees. These decisions were, in numerous instances, lauded by these same decisionmakers who are angry and aghast at the Leave vote.
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Deej : 6/24/2016 2:17 pm : link
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Yes, well. A good sized chunk of Americans believe that Canada is a communist country. Another chunk believe the bible to be a literal history book. That doesn't mean people don't know what they're voting for.

I'm a believer in wisdom of crowds.


I believe in it for some things. But on matters that really require expertise, they add nothing. I dont care how many laymen form the crowd, there isnt an amount of wisdom that comes forth that will reliably make sure that a bowel resection is done properly. I'd rather one average surgeon do that.

Similarly, there are a lot of reasons to believe that the crowd (or when we dont like what they do, the mob), is really not all that suited to coming up with the optimal course of action for something as complex as Brexit. And unfortunately, speaking for our country, "expertise" has become a dirty word.
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Deej : 6/24/2016 2:18 pm : link
that's not my snotty way of saying that the mob were a bunch of fools for voting Leave. I leaned Stay but I bought some of the arguments for leave (especially ones that didnt involve the term "Muzzie"), and I could see an informed, rational person voting Leave.
I was in line at the deli at lunch  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/24/2016 2:21 pm : link
and some middle aged woman in front of me legitimately asked if there was dairy in the cole slaw.


This is your voting public.
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giants#1 : 6/24/2016 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13007939 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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and some middle aged woman in front of me legitimately asked if there was dairy in the cole slaw.


This is your voting public.


Not knowing the ingredients for cole slaw is an indication of someone's intelligence?

(and I agree that most people are morons)
I mean who doesn't know what's in cole slaw?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/24/2016 2:26 pm : link
It's like asking if there's dairy in cheese.
RE: I mean who doesn't know what's in cole slaw?  
Scyber : 6/24/2016 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13007949 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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It's like asking if there's dairy in cheese.


I don't know what is in cole slaw. I just know I don't like it.
There are two kinds of cole slaw  
Deej : 6/24/2016 2:39 pm : link
the dairy one (mayo) and the vinegar one. Both are good. I prefer the mayo one in most applications, and in particular in a little paper cup at NY diners. I think the vinegar one tends to pair with BBQ.
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BMac : 6/24/2016 2:40 pm : link
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Yes, well. A good sized chunk of Americans believe that Canada is a communist country. Another chunk believe the bible to be a literal history book. That doesn't mean people don't know what they're voting for.

I'm a believer in wisdom of crowds.



You're being generous. Most people don't know the adjoining state to theirs and probably think Canada is part of the USA.


My wife's sister, on learning that we were moving to Chicago (years back) said, "That's in Florida, isn't it?"

Three kids in the family, one smart and talented (my wife), one dumb as a box of rocks, and the other a raving maniac biker wannabe. Here's to the future of gene splicing.
RE: I mean who doesn't know what's in cole slaw?  
buford : 6/24/2016 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13007949 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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It's like asking if there's dairy in cheese.


Not really. Cheese IS dairy. Cole Slaw can be made different ways. And maybe she has a dairy allergy.
RE: I mean who doesn't know what's in cole slaw?  
BMac : 6/24/2016 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13007949 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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It's like asking if there's dairy in cheese.


There are lots of different takes on coleslaw, many with no dairy at all. Of course, it it looks like someone jizzed all over it, then it's likely to be dairy.
I saw a woman ask if an egg bagel was vegan once...  
Dunedin81 : 6/24/2016 2:50 pm : link
that was entertaining.
RE: There are two kinds of cole slaw  
pmmanning : 6/24/2016 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13007982 Deej said:
[quote] the dairy one (mayo)

Why does mayo make it dairy? (not trying to be a dick, this is a real question)
mayo shouldnt' make it dairy  
leatherneck570 : 6/24/2016 2:53 pm : link
eggs are not dairy.
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Del Shofner : 6/24/2016 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13008010 leatherneck570 said:
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eggs are not dairy.


Correct. There is a misconception that eggs are dairy because of where they are sold in the supermarket, but they're not.
but I haven't read this whole thread - why is coleslaw an issue  
Del Shofner : 6/24/2016 2:56 pm : link
as to Britain exiting the EU?
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giants#1 : 6/24/2016 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13008012 Del Shofner said:
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as to Britain exiting the EU?


TTH thinks knowing the ingredients in cole slaw is some type of intelligence barometer.
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Modus Operandi : 6/24/2016 2:59 pm : link
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as to Britain exiting the EU?


Because UK's next PM appears as though he's wearing it on his head.
Remember... it's not just the economic...  
M.S. : 6/24/2016 2:59 pm : link
...consequences/meaning of Brexit, but also what was behind Brexit, which included a strong dose of Nativism. Left unchecked, this impulse can have some very unsavory consequences.
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leatherneck570 : 6/24/2016 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13008016 giants#1 said:
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as to Britain exiting the EU?



TTH thinks knowing the ingredients in cole slaw is some type of intelligence barometer.


But HE was wrong about cole slaw. Should he e allowed to vote?
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Modus Operandi : 6/24/2016 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13008016 giants#1 said:
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as to Britain exiting the EU?



TTH thinks knowing the ingredients in cole slaw is some type of intelligence barometer.


Well, let's be honest: if you can't figure out what's in slaw, you probably aren't curing cancer.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 6/24/2016 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13008021 leatherneck570 said:
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as to Britain exiting the EU?



TTH thinks knowing the ingredients in cole slaw is some type of intelligence barometer.



But HE was wrong about cole slaw. Should he e allowed to vote?


No worries, nobody's getting my vote this time anyway. Neither side.

RE: Remember... it's not just the economic...  
Dunedin81 : 6/24/2016 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13008020 M.S. said:
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...consequences/meaning of Brexit, but also what was behind Brexit, which included a strong dose of Nativism. Left unchecked, this impulse can have some very unsavory consequences.


If you keep saying racism (or its functional equivalents) over and over again, it loses its sting and people stop fearing the label.
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Big Al : 6/24/2016 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13008022 Modus Operandi said:
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as to Britain exiting the EU?



TTH thinks knowing the ingredients in cole slaw is some type of intelligence barometer.



Well, let's be honest: if you can't figure out what's in slaw, you probably aren't curing cancer.
I bet Einstein didn't know.
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Modus Operandi : 6/24/2016 3:07 pm : link
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as to Britain exiting the EU?



TTH thinks knowing the ingredients in cole slaw is some type of intelligence barometer.



Well, let's be honest: if you can't figure out what's in slaw, you probably aren't curing cancer.

I bet Einstein didn't know.


And he didn't cure cancer, did he?
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giants#1 : 6/24/2016 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13008022 Modus Operandi said:
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as to Britain exiting the EU?



TTH thinks knowing the ingredients in cole slaw is some type of intelligence barometer.



Well, let's be honest: if you can't figure out what's in slaw, you probably aren't curing cancer.


I know some people (mathematically) smart enough to cure cancer, but too dumb to light a grill. Forget about making cole slaw.
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M.S. : 6/24/2016 3:17 pm : link
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...consequences/meaning of Brexit, but also what was behind Brexit, which included a strong dose of Nativism. Left unchecked, this impulse can have some very unsavory consequences.



If you keep saying racism (or its functional equivalents) over and over again, it loses its sting and people stop fearing the label.

Or... there are plenty of Nativists who neither know what the word means and are unaware of how well they fit the definition.
"Racist" or "Nativist" or "Xenophobe" are serious terms...  
Dunedin81 : 6/24/2016 3:22 pm : link
effectively serious charges. And if you use them to describe everything with which you disagree, from opposition to large-scale immigration to voting for a candidate whom you dislike, the charge is going to lose its sting.
My apologies  
Deej : 6/24/2016 3:30 pm : link
coleslaw is parve. Though it can contain buttermilk or sour cream.
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section125 : 6/24/2016 3:34 pm : link
In comment 13008055 Dunedin81 said:
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effectively serious charges. And if you use them to describe everything with which you disagree, from opposition to large-scale immigration to voting for a candidate whom you dislike, the charge is going to lose its sting.


Dune, I've come to ignore people who think you have to like everyone and if you don't you are a racist, xenophobe, etc. In fact I'm disgusted with the bullying associated with it. You are 100% correct, the meaning is lost or diluted when disagreement means racism and it is bullying.
RE: My apologies  
pmmanning : 6/24/2016 3:44 pm : link
None needed I really didn't know if there was something in coleslaw that made it dairy. I don't like it but if there is someone out there throwing cheese and other shit in there I might give it another try.
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njm : 6/24/2016 3:50 pm : link
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effectively serious charges. And if you use them to describe everything with which you disagree, from opposition to large-scale immigration to voting for a candidate whom you dislike, the charge is going to lose its sting.


In it's own way, it's bigotry.
If you see no  
Deej : 6/24/2016 3:59 pm : link
xenophobia and racism and nativism at all in the Leave campaign or a certain US campaign, you're being willfully blind. It doesnt describe every voter, for sure, but you're only kidding yourself if you think these campaigns are 100% high minded and good natured.

In my view, this is an early sign, of more political messes...  
manh george : 6/24/2016 4:03 pm : link
ahead. Add accelerating technological change and its impact on jobs, and the destabilizing economic affects of climate change, and I worry about governmental systems ever getting decently stable in the foreseeable future.

The pull of nativism is just likely to grow--not linearly, but inexorably.

An example of the impact of technological change in the third world, see the link, about Addidas taking manufacturing out of China and the like, and re-siting in developed countries--using robots and very few jobs. More to come.

I find it really really difficult to be optimistic over the near to intermediate term.
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M.S. : 6/24/2016 4:10 pm : link
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effectively serious charges. And if you use them to describe everything with which you disagree, from opposition to large-scale immigration to voting for a candidate whom you dislike, the charge is going to lose its sting.

Your words may be relevant, but they don't apply to me. And if you think they do, you are seriously mistaken.


Really like this op-ed from the Guardian  
manh george : 6/24/2016 4:15 pm : link


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That physical geography has not changed, but the psychological geography has. Suddenly it will make much less sense to headquarter a big international firm in London, or for a Japanese car-maker to locate a factory – one that aims to sell into Europe – in the north-east of England. Why do it, if you could be in Germany instead? Why come to post-Brexit Britain, where there could soon be the hassle of visas and tariffs and all the rest? Why bother?

The risk is that Britain becomes a kind of offshore oddity, quirky but irrelevant – shut out of the action of its neighbouring continent. That shift will be felt first by the City of London: perhaps few will shed any tears for them, even if financial services are – or used to be – one of this country’s biggest employers. But eventually that new view of Britain could percolate through, affecting our creative industries, our tourism and eventually our place in the world.


Tariffs are going up sharply, both in and out. Close to 200 treaties will have to be negotiated with Europe, and any treaties that resulted from being part of the EU will have to be renegotiated with other countries as well. London as a financial center will diminish--not clear yet how much, but it will diminish. And this creates a pretty strong incentive for Scotland to have another referendum to leave the UK. It would surely pass.
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M.S. : 6/24/2016 4:17 pm : link
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effectively serious charges. And if you use them to describe everything with which you disagree, from opposition to large-scale immigration to voting for a candidate whom you dislike, the charge is going to lose its sting.



In it's own way, it's bigotry.

Oh, I see. I make the obvious point that Nativism and Xenophobia were ingredients in the Brexit vote, and you label me a racist in return. Yowzer... you've got quite an imagination there!
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njm : 6/24/2016 4:23 pm : link
In comment 13008092 Deej said:
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xenophobia and racism and nativism at all in the Leave campaign or a certain US campaign, you're being willfully blind. It doesnt describe every voter, for sure, but you're only kidding yourself if you think these campaigns are 100% high minded and good natured.


And if every comment you make consists of accusations of bigotry you're also willfully blind. Because you'r right, less than 100% of these campaigns are high minded and good natured. Of course, less than 100% of EVERY campaign this year is high minded and good natured. And FAR more than 0% of the campaigns you loathe are based on xenophobia and racism and nativism.
njm  
Deej : 6/24/2016 4:25 pm : link
surely you dont think every comment I've made accuse others of those things.
oops  
njm : 6/24/2016 4:26 pm : link
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xenophobia and racism and nativism at all in the Leave campaign or a certain US campaign, you're being willfully blind. It doesnt describe every voter, for sure, but you're only kidding yourself if you think these campaigns are 100% high minded and good natured.




And if every comment you make consists of accusations of bigotry you're also willfully blind. Because you'r right, less than 100% of these campaigns are high minded and good natured. Of course, less than 100% of EVERY campaign this year is high minded and good natured. And FAR more than 0% of the campaigns you loathe are based on xenophobia and racism and nativism.


make that far more than 0% are based on issues other than xenophobia and racism and nativism.
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njm : 6/24/2016 4:26 pm : link
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surely you dont think every comment I've made accuse others of those things.


Not you.
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M.S. : 6/24/2016 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13008137 njm said:
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xenophobia and racism and nativism at all in the Leave campaign or a certain US campaign, you're being willfully blind. It doesnt describe every voter, for sure, but you're only kidding yourself if you think these campaigns are 100% high minded and good natured.




And if every comment you make consists of accusations of bigotry you're also willfully blind. Because you'r right, less than 100% of these campaigns are high minded and good natured. Of course, less than 100% of EVERY campaign this year is high minded and good natured. And FAR more than 0% of the campaigns you loathe are based on xenophobia and racism and nativism.

njm... this last precious piece of yours sounds like you tied your tongue into a triple knot and then tried to say something brilliant, but it just came out all twisted. Why don't you try again?
Well, to be fair, it can also classify your  
kicker : 6/24/2016 4:32 pm : link
attempts at economic posts....
Ouch!  
manh george : 6/24/2016 4:34 pm : link
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