Tagged him on the left leg before he touched the plate. Terrible slide. The office actually came out and said they had clear confirmation and it wasn't for lack of a good camera angle, ect.
I guess I don't understand the blocking the plate rule.
When the ball is in the air TDA must offer the runner a clear lane. Once he caught the ball he was allowed to legally block the plate. TDA did everything right.
Have to admit I was impressed with TDA's catching game last night. Even nailed a runner at 2B. Just needs to get the bat going now. I hate how he's constantly fidgeting with stance. The bat pointing out thing is just stupid.
1.). The rest of this series, Nats, and Cubs could determine whether personnel moves are coming.
And this is what frustrates me the most. This club is sinking...hard. Personnel moves should be made TO HELP IN THOSE SERIES. We've had a league worst offense going on two months. This isn't a cold streak. It's a flawed lineup.
But they are basically saying that they could be out of of the race after what is likely the most important part of our season...so no reason to sign anyone right now.
Yeah, he's actually done well defensively these couple games he's been back. We need him to hit in the worst way, though. He did just miss a HR his first game back.... but that's about the best we can say so far.
1.). The rest of this series, Nats, and Cubs could determine whether personnel moves are coming.
And this is what frustrates me the most. This club is sinking...hard. Personnel moves should be made TO HELP IN THOSE SERIES. We've had a league worst offense going on two months. This isn't a cold streak. It's a flawed lineup.
But they are basically saying that they could be out of of the race after what is likely the most important part of our season...so no reason to sign anyone right now.
Ass. Fucking. Backwards.
What moves would you expect them to make in the next 3 days, though? They almost certainly ARE signing Reyes. They can't sign Gourriel yet. Just overpay for a trade far in advance of the deadline?
1.). The rest of this series, Nats, and Cubs could determine whether personnel moves are coming.
And this is what frustrates me the most. This club is sinking...hard. Personnel moves should be made TO HELP IN THOSE SERIES. We've had a league worst offense going on two months. This isn't a cold streak. It's a flawed lineup.
But they are basically saying that they could be out of of the race after what is likely the most important part of our season...so no reason to sign anyone right now.
Ass. Fucking. Backwards.
What moves would you expect them to make in the next 3 days, though? They almost certainly ARE signing Reyes. They can't sign Gourriel yet. Just overpay for a trade far in advance of the deadline?
Not sure where the three games comes from. The way I read it was that the outcome of this series and the Nats/Cubs series will determine personnel moves. That's 20 game from now. Maybe I read it wrong but that's what it sounds like to me.
1.). The rest of this series, Nats, and Cubs could determine whether personnel moves are coming.
And this is what frustrates me the most. This club is sinking...hard. Personnel moves should be made TO HELP IN THOSE SERIES. We've had a league worst offense going on two months. This isn't a cold streak. It's a flawed lineup.
But they are basically saying that they could be out of of the race after what is likely the most important part of our season...so no reason to sign anyone right now.
Ass. Fucking. Backwards.
What moves would you expect them to make in the next 3 days, though? They almost certainly ARE signing Reyes. They can't sign Gourriel yet. Just overpay for a trade far in advance of the deadline?
Not sure where the three games comes from. The way I read it was that the outcome of this series and the Nats/Cubs series will determine personnel moves. That's 20 game from now. Maybe I read it wrong but that's what it sounds like to me.
Huh? The Nats/Cubs series are immediately following this weekend. You're saying personnel moves should be made to help the team in those series which means they'd have to make those moves in the next 3 days. Unless you're suggesting swapping Nimmo for Conforto and potentially calling up Dilson, I'm not sure what else they should really do.
I guess I'll elaborate (just don't crucify me). I'm not trying to break news or be that guy. Just simply sharing amongst friends fully aware it could be wrong. He basically said this weekend and stretch right after is crucial. They have two temporary solutions that don't cost much but also aren't difference makers (safe to assume Reyes is one). They also have the parameters of a deal for a big player but are weary to give up a starting pitcher (Wheeler?). This is a player not linked to the media and he says the trades that get made are often the ones you don't hear about.
Basically in a nutshell, the Mets don't want to trade their pitching but a disaster stretch might force their hand over the next week.
Huh? The Nats/Cubs series are immediately following this weekend. You're saying personnel moves should be made to help the team in those series which means they'd have to make those moves in the next 3 days. Unless you're suggesting swapping Nimmo for Conforto and potentially calling up Dilson, I'm not sure what else they should really do.
Well I was factoring in the second series with the Nats also. But it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't make sense to limp into these two series with a broken team and say "we might decide to improve based on what happens during the most important 11 game stretch of the season." It makes zero fucking sense.
The point is...you have the worst offense in the league going on two months now. You are going into a critical 11 game stretch that may likely determine your season and they are saying that they will determine if there will be any personnel moves AFTER this stretch?
I don't have all the answers but this also isn't my full time job either. I'm sure there are things that could be done before waiting to charge into this critical part of the season with a bad baseball team.
Z, thanks for clarifying. I know you were just reporting what you've heard, and I appreciate that. But if we have a disaster over the next two weeks, our season is likely over anyway. Hence, why I don't understand the "sitting on your hands" approach.
Kinda bittersweet to see Fulmer pitching so well but Cespedes has been worth it. If he leaves after this year it'll be a little different but as of now I'm kinda just cautiously assuming he's going to stick around.
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Huh? The Nats/Cubs series are immediately following this weekend. You're saying personnel moves should be made to help the team in those series which means they'd have to make those moves in the next 3 days. Unless you're suggesting swapping Nimmo for Conforto and potentially calling up Dilson, I'm not sure what else they should really do.
Well I was factoring in the second series with the Nats also. But it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't make sense to limp into these two series with a broken team and say "we might decide to improve based on what happens during the most important 11 game stretch of the season." It makes zero fucking sense.
The point is...you have the worst offense in the league going on two months now. You are going into a critical 11 game stretch that may likely determine your season and they are saying that they will determine if there will be any personnel moves AFTER this stretch?
I don't have all the answers but this also isn't my full time job either. I'm sure there are things that could be done before waiting to charge into this critical part of the season with a bad baseball team.
Z, thanks for clarifying. I know you were just reporting what you've heard, and I appreciate that. But if we have a disaster over the next two weeks, our season is likely over anyway. Hence, why I don't understand the "sitting on your hands" approach.
But what is the alternative? You want them to make a big trade now or...?
They'd prefer not to deal a big piece like Wheeler off and lose another valuable asset but if these next couple series' don't go so well, we may have to do that in order to not fall out of the race completely.
The hope is probably that we can keep our heads above water here and do okay in these series' and give ourselves a little more time to get healthy without having to make a "big" trade.
That's my understanding at least or how I'm reading it.
Huh? The Nats/Cubs series are immediately following this weekend. You're saying personnel moves should be made to help the team in those series which means they'd have to make those moves in the next 3 days. Unless you're suggesting swapping Nimmo for Conforto and potentially calling up Dilson, I'm not sure what else they should really do.
Well I was factoring in the second series with the Nats also. But it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't make sense to limp into these two series with a broken team and say "we might decide to improve based on what happens during the most important 11 game stretch of the season." It makes zero fucking sense.
The point is...you have the worst offense in the league going on two months now. You are going into a critical 11 game stretch that may likely determine your season and they are saying that they will determine if there will be any personnel moves AFTER this stretch?
I don't have all the answers but this also isn't my full time job either. I'm sure there are things that could be done before waiting to charge into this critical part of the season with a bad baseball team.
Z, thanks for clarifying. I know you were just reporting what you've heard, and I appreciate that. But if we have a disaster over the next two weeks, our season is likely over anyway. Hence, why I don't understand the "sitting on your hands" approach.
But what is the alternative? You want them to make a big trade now or...?
What's the alternative? Try some of the kids? Can't keep trotting Conforto out there, as much as I like the kid. DeAza should never see the light of day. Any bench player is an improvement over DeAza. 3rd Base? Maybe something is in the works...but probably not. Maybe it's Reyes. We need to get something out of catcher because none of them can hit. But we are stuck with TdA for the time being, I guess. A big trade? Why not? It's an option.
But to throw your hands up and say "whats the alternatives"? Literally the worst thing we can do is to walk into the two top pitching staffs in the league with the same league-worst offense at a critical juncture of the season. Just my opinion.
Has gotten very serious over the last week or so. Sandy isn't happy Jeff spoke out (made them seem more desperate then he would like) and daddy basically told him to shut the hell up. I think up until now the season has been "early" but that has shifted now. Nobody wanted to deal a Wheeler before the season started but the current situation has dictated we may have to.
This guy clearly knows stuff. He's once shared Sandy's daily office schedule and daily routine right down to when he goes to bed at night. Lol.
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Huh? The Nats/Cubs series are immediately following this weekend. You're saying personnel moves should be made to help the team in those series which means they'd have to make those moves in the next 3 days. Unless you're suggesting swapping Nimmo for Conforto and potentially calling up Dilson, I'm not sure what else they should really do.
Well I was factoring in the second series with the Nats also. But it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't make sense to limp into these two series with a broken team and say "we might decide to improve based on what happens during the most important 11 game stretch of the season." It makes zero fucking sense.
The point is...you have the worst offense in the league going on two months now. You are going into a critical 11 game stretch that may likely determine your season and they are saying that they will determine if there will be any personnel moves AFTER this stretch?
I don't have all the answers but this also isn't my full time job either. I'm sure there are things that could be done before waiting to charge into this critical part of the season with a bad baseball team.
Z, thanks for clarifying. I know you were just reporting what you've heard, and I appreciate that. But if we have a disaster over the next two weeks, our season is likely over anyway. Hence, why I don't understand the "sitting on your hands" approach.
But what is the alternative? You want them to make a big trade now or...?
What's the alternative? Try some of the kids? Can't keep trotting Conforto out there, as much as I like the kid. DeAza should never see the light of day. Any bench player is an improvement over DeAza. 3rd Base? Maybe something is in the works...but probably not. Maybe it's Reyes. We need to get something out of catcher because none of them can hit. But we are stuck with TdA for the time being, I guess. A big trade? Why not? It's an option.
But to throw your hands up and say "whats the alternatives"? Literally the worst thing we can do is to walk into the two top pitching staffs in the league with the same league-worst offense at a critical juncture of the season. Just my opinion.
But you're literally talking about a 3 day span here before we play the Nationals and are acting like the Mets should just go out and overpay in a trade so that they have this new player for these series' against WSH/CHC. To me, that's a shitty strategy. You have to look long-term.
I'd be fine with calling up Nimmo and letting Conforto work his way back in LV.. but is Nimmo just going to come up here and change the landscape of the team by himself?
Reyes is going to be here by the end of the weekend, so they are being active in that regard.
d'Arnaud literally just got back. We're going to have to ride with him. He hit down the stretch in 2014 and hit last year when he was in the lineup for the most part. I have confidence he can get going soon if he can stay on the field.
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But you're literally talking about a 3 day span here before we play the Nationals and are acting like the Mets should just go out and overpay in a trade so that they have this new player for these series' against WSH/CHC. To me, that's a shitty strategy. You have to look long-term.
I'd be fine with calling up Nimmo and letting Conforto work his way back in LV.. but is Nimmo just going to come up here and change the landscape of the team by himself?
Reyes is going to be here by the end of the weekend, so they are being active in that regard.
d'Arnaud literally just got back. We're going to have to ride with him. He hit down the stretch in 2014 and hit last year when he was in the lineup for the most part. I have confidence he can get going soon if he can stay on the field.
Again, I'm not looking at a three game span. At worst, I'm looking at an 11 game span and probably more like a 17 game span b/c they play the Nats for a second time after the Cubs series.
You may think its a shitty strategy, fine. But we are about to face the top two pitching staffs with the leagues worst offense. I hope I'm wrong but I can easily see the season being just about over after facing the Cubs and Nats with this offense. We've just lost four straight to the freaking Braves.
And you are acting like I want them to make a rash decision Â
and just go out and overpay for some player. I'm not. I'd hope that there have been discussions about options they could explore for a while now. But, based on what we've heard in interviews and what's been reported here, they are just getting serious about the season.
I'm pretty sure Alderson wasn't lounging around by a pool for the last 3 months and just got a text saying "hey, we might need to start paying attention here"...
The idea that the FO has been asleep at the wheel until now is very silly. The point is that we're coming up on a critical juncture here and the decisions they make in the coming weeks can be the types of things that impact the franchise for a long time. They have to think long and hard about how big a move(s) they want to make here and they also have to consider timing.
I think they're just being as careful as they can and don't want to make any rash decisions.. and that's how I'd personally want it to be. I don't want them panicking in June.
I guess I'll elaborate (just don't crucify me). I'm not trying to break news or be that guy. Just simply sharing amongst friends fully aware it could be wrong. He basically said this weekend and stretch right after is crucial. They have two temporary solutions that don't cost much but also aren't difference makers (safe to assume Reyes is one). They also have the parameters of a deal for a big player but are weary to give up a starting pitcher (Wheeler?). This is a player not linked to the media and he says the trades that get made are often the ones you don't hear about.
Basically in a nutshell, the Mets don't want to trade their pitching but a disaster stretch might force their hand over the next week.
I disagree with a lot of what's said here...
A front office that gets as up and down as the fans do is most likely Â
The cold reality is that there's no replacing everything they lost to injury.
You can squeeze in one or two guys, and you'd still be missing a lot. The only thing you can do is fight to stay in it, take a swing at the trade deadline if anything is out there, and hope these guys come back healthy.
There's basically a progression they go through in these situations.. you start with the guys like Loney and KJ who essentially cost "nothing".. Reyes should be next in this category. Then you look internally (Nimmo/Herrera?) and see if any of these kids can come up and help out and if you still need a solution beyond that, you make a bigger trade.
You really don't want to give up talent but if it comes to that, it comes to that.
The reality is this team has gotten killed by injury Â
and some of the young positional players who have really hurt them.
TDA and Plawecki have really put a crimp in the short and long term plans between injury and ineffectiveness.
As much as I'd like to kill them for trotting out DW again with a bad back, you had to look at Flores as a very good backup option and Wilmer just doesnt seem to provide much.
You normally wouldnt be down on a guy at this stage in Conforto's career but coming into the season they were so dependent on him, his struggles have been a really tough pill to swallow.
The injury to Lagares is another stroke of bad luck.
Throw in Duda and we are back to 1st half of last season type offense.
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should go all in for Gourriel. Their farm system is already very weak outside of Rosario and unless they want to give him up or a young starter like Wheeler they aren't going to get the hitter that they desperately need.
I'm pretty sure Alderson wasn't lounging around by a pool for the last 3 months and just got a text saying "hey, we might need to start paying attention here"...
The idea that the FO has been asleep at the wheel until now is very silly. The point is that we're coming up on a critical juncture here and the decisions they make in the coming weeks can be the types of things that impact the franchise for a long time. They have to think long and hard about how big a move(s) they want to make here and they also have to consider timing.
I think they're just being as careful as they can and don't want to make any rash decisions.. and that's how I'd personally want it to be. I don't want them panicking in June.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Sandy wasn't lounging around by a pool for the last three months...blah blah blah. But I sure do appreciate the sarcasm and conjecture.
It obvious that we won't agree and you'll just exaggerate my points in a snarky way, so we can probably move on. My only point is not that I'm overreacting to anything but to get to the point where we are to walk in to this part of our season with the same old, ineffective lineup...is not good. Not asking for a blockbuster trade. But to hear that they will wait until AFTER these next 11/12 games to determine what to do is disheartening. And that's because there's a high likelihood that the season could be out of reach by then. That is all.
I'm pretty sure Alderson wasn't lounging around by a pool for the last 3 months and just got a text saying "hey, we might need to start paying attention here"...
The idea that the FO has been asleep at the wheel until now is very silly. The point is that we're coming up on a critical juncture here and the decisions they make in the coming weeks can be the types of things that impact the franchise for a long time. They have to think long and hard about how big a move(s) they want to make here and they also have to consider timing.
I think they're just being as careful as they can and don't want to make any rash decisions.. and that's how I'd personally want it to be. I don't want them panicking in June.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Sandy wasn't lounging around by a pool for the last three months...blah blah blah. But I sure do appreciate the sarcasm and conjecture.
It obvious that we won't agree and you'll just exaggerate my points in a snarky way, so we can probably move on. My only point is not that I'm overreacting to anything but to get to the point where we are to walk in to this part of our season with the same old, ineffective lineup...is not good. Not asking for a blockbuster trade. But to hear that they will wait until AFTER these next 11/12 games to determine what to do is disheartening. And that's because there's a high likelihood that the season could be out of reach by then. That is all.
Really not much sarcasm or conjecture. You literally said it was "scary" that the FO was just now getting serious about the season which to me implies that you don't think they were before. Kind of silly, IMO. Of course they were. But this is obviously a crucial stretch and the point is nearing where whatever they do or do not do will have a rather large impact on the way the rest of our season goes.
I guess I'm just not that clear on what type of move you want them to make outside of calling up Nimmo or Herrera. It sounds like they're bringing in Reyes. They brought Johnson back, they picked up Loney. None of these are "big" moves but obviously they're being proactive in trying to keep holes plugged enough to keep us from sinking. They're not just doing "nothing".
Like I said before, the big trade is really the last resort but if they have to do it, they probably will. They're not going to force it right now, well before the deadline though.. they'd be overpaying and giving away even more.
I guess I'll elaborate (just don't crucify me). I'm not trying to break news or be that guy. Just simply sharing amongst friends fully aware it could be wrong. He basically said this weekend and stretch right after is crucial. They have two temporary solutions that don't cost much but also aren't difference makers (safe to assume Reyes is one). They also have the parameters of a deal for a big player but are weary to give up a starting pitcher (Wheeler?). This is a player not linked to the media and he says the trades that get made are often the ones you don't hear about.
Basically in a nutshell, the Mets don't want to trade their pitching but a disaster stretch might force their hand over the next week.
I disagree with a lot of what's said here...
Ok. Care to elaborate which parts? I'm trying to read between the lines a bit but I guess I could be off?
Was that while many of us are focusing on Gurriel and Reyes, Sandy has been looking at deals and specifically he has a big target but it would cost a lot. Is this off?
Was that while many of us are focusing on Gurriel and Reyes, Sandy has been looking at deals and specifically he has a big target but it would cost a lot. Is this off?
Was that while many of us are focusing on Gurriel and Reyes, Sandy has been looking at deals and specifically he has a big target but it would cost a lot. Is this off?
I predict that maybe Sandy is targeting Braun or even maybe Lucroy. I have no inside info I just have a gut feeling that he may be targeting one of possibly both players for maybe Wheeler, TDA, and possibly De Aza to free up some cash.
would be a terrible move, IMO. He's a talented young arm coming off surgery and should be at full health at the start of 2017 season, although likely on a limit. Why would you deal someone with high upside, who before the surgery looked like a bright young starter? We're gonna deal Wheeler for Lucroy? Look I like Lucroy but c'mon now, he's not amazing or anything.
Doesn't make me feel great. That got downplayed as something minor and I'm not sold that it is. Hope it was and there are no lingering struggles. Can't afford to have him struggle through the rest of the season.
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Collins on Reyes, answering a question and using the words "when he does get here." All signs point to Reyes' arrival this weekend.
Conforto needs to go down. He's messed up. He chases everything now. After showing great patience when he first came up. Mets have been very patient with him.
this team can be this damn bad with a runner on third and less than 2 outs. Its beyond pathetic. You mean not one of these clowns can learn to get a sac fly. Unreal
Conforto is dreadful. The team is almost coming around. HE is the gaping wound right now. Just swap him with Nimmo for a couple weeks. Nimmo is on the 40 anyway. Combined with Reyes playing some 3B I think we can almost be respectable again.
Would it surprise anybody if Conforto is sent down tomorrow? Â
have almost identical lines offensively but both at least have their heads above water. Walker has been pretty good albeit streaky. Cespedes is awesome. TDA is back finally. Even Flores and Loney are chipping in plenty lately.
Swap Conforto and Nimmo and get Reyes on this team!
He probably should be. I can't see any good coming from continuing like this.
He's hitting like .120 for 2 months now. They've been more patient with him than many teams would with a young player. The concern is he looks to be getting worse. He has NO plate discipline anymore. What use to be his strength is now his weakness. Might have to send him down to regain confidence
"“Everybody thinks he can, to a man,” Collins said. “We put Matt Reynolds out there. This guy is as good an athlete as Matt is. He’s got the arm for it, he’s got the foot-speed for it.”
No sense waiting until Saturday at say, 1:01 p.m. to say, “Hey, can Jose catch flies?”
“Even though they’re not here, you’ve got to have some type of a plan in mind when he does get here, especially at this particular time,” Collins said. “We’ve got so many things going on. … We’ve discussed it, if Jose happens to come, what we’re going to do.”"
Jose is a lifetime .290 hitter and he hit .285 with Toronto last year.
He was terrible in Colorado but I think that is mostly because he was sulking. That's not to excuse it. He is a professional and should have played to his bet capability. But he is also a human and being and none of us are perfect.
So, I completely write off Colorado, which means I don't buy into the notion his skills have declined.
Of course, that's just my opinion and the it may prove o be wrong. But for the sake of argument, let's just say I'm right and Reyes can hit .290 and play a decent SS. Any chance he takes Cabrera's job?
and going to AAA for a week or two. I wonder where they will play him, but I guess they're wondering the same which is why they floated the idea of LF, 2B and 3B. Regardless I think he's going to add a much needed jolt to the lineup and will hopefully be fine defensively wherever he goes.
Wtf? The guy has said his elbow felt tight two games in a row. He was rubbing it like a mad man last night. Structural damage or not we are playing with fire. Give him a game off or two!
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Terry will get him in the lineup. You can see from his comments how much he loves Jose.
I agree about not disrupting Walker and Cabrera's chemistry. Those guys can turn a DP. But Cabrera also has no range. His lack of speed also leads to rally killing GIDPs when he bats second. Getting him some days off and moving him down in the lineup won't be the worst thing.
And while he has played well, he is batting .265 with an OPS around .720 or .730. So, it is not like he is tearing it up.
2.) Sandy might be looking trade VS Gurriel and might even have the parameters of what a deal would look like in place.
Take it for what it's worth! :)
I'm predicting a sweep of the weekend games for the Mets based on nothing but my mood at the moment. The offense is better than what we've seen.
-Braves have beaten the Mets 4 straight
I'm not sure I understand your last point here. Can we go over this one with a little more detail?
Tagged him on the left leg before he touched the plate. Terrible slide. The office actually came out and said they had clear confirmation and it wasn't for lack of a good camera angle, ect.
When the ball is in the air TDA must offer the runner a clear lane. Once he caught the ball he was allowed to legally block the plate. TDA did everything right.
And this is what frustrates me the most. This club is sinking...hard. Personnel moves should be made TO HELP IN THOSE SERIES. We've had a league worst offense going on two months. This isn't a cold streak. It's a flawed lineup.
But they are basically saying that they could be out of of the race after what is likely the most important part of our season...so no reason to sign anyone right now.
Ass. Fucking. Backwards.
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1.). The rest of this series, Nats, and Cubs could determine whether personnel moves are coming.
And this is what frustrates me the most. This club is sinking...hard. Personnel moves should be made TO HELP IN THOSE SERIES. We've had a league worst offense going on two months. This isn't a cold streak. It's a flawed lineup.
But they are basically saying that they could be out of of the race after what is likely the most important part of our season...so no reason to sign anyone right now.
Ass. Fucking. Backwards.
What moves would you expect them to make in the next 3 days, though? They almost certainly ARE signing Reyes. They can't sign Gourriel yet. Just overpay for a trade far in advance of the deadline?
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1.). The rest of this series, Nats, and Cubs could determine whether personnel moves are coming.
And this is what frustrates me the most. This club is sinking...hard. Personnel moves should be made TO HELP IN THOSE SERIES. We've had a league worst offense going on two months. This isn't a cold streak. It's a flawed lineup.
But they are basically saying that they could be out of of the race after what is likely the most important part of our season...so no reason to sign anyone right now.
Ass. Fucking. Backwards.
What moves would you expect them to make in the next 3 days, though? They almost certainly ARE signing Reyes. They can't sign Gourriel yet. Just overpay for a trade far in advance of the deadline?
Not sure where the three games comes from. The way I read it was that the outcome of this series and the Nats/Cubs series will determine personnel moves. That's 20 game from now. Maybe I read it wrong but that's what it sounds like to me.
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1.). The rest of this series, Nats, and Cubs could determine whether personnel moves are coming.
And this is what frustrates me the most. This club is sinking...hard. Personnel moves should be made TO HELP IN THOSE SERIES. We've had a league worst offense going on two months. This isn't a cold streak. It's a flawed lineup.
But they are basically saying that they could be out of of the race after what is likely the most important part of our season...so no reason to sign anyone right now.
Ass. Fucking. Backwards.
What moves would you expect them to make in the next 3 days, though? They almost certainly ARE signing Reyes. They can't sign Gourriel yet. Just overpay for a trade far in advance of the deadline?
Not sure where the three games comes from. The way I read it was that the outcome of this series and the Nats/Cubs series will determine personnel moves. That's 20 game from now. Maybe I read it wrong but that's what it sounds like to me.
Huh? The Nats/Cubs series are immediately following this weekend. You're saying personnel moves should be made to help the team in those series which means they'd have to make those moves in the next 3 days. Unless you're suggesting swapping Nimmo for Conforto and potentially calling up Dilson, I'm not sure what else they should really do.
Basically in a nutshell, the Mets don't want to trade their pitching but a disaster stretch might force their hand over the next week.
Huh? The Nats/Cubs series are immediately following this weekend. You're saying personnel moves should be made to help the team in those series which means they'd have to make those moves in the next 3 days. Unless you're suggesting swapping Nimmo for Conforto and potentially calling up Dilson, I'm not sure what else they should really do.
Well I was factoring in the second series with the Nats also. But it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't make sense to limp into these two series with a broken team and say "we might decide to improve based on what happens during the most important 11 game stretch of the season." It makes zero fucking sense.
The point is...you have the worst offense in the league going on two months now. You are going into a critical 11 game stretch that may likely determine your season and they are saying that they will determine if there will be any personnel moves AFTER this stretch?
I don't have all the answers but this also isn't my full time job either. I'm sure there are things that could be done before waiting to charge into this critical part of the season with a bad baseball team.
Z, thanks for clarifying. I know you were just reporting what you've heard, and I appreciate that. But if we have a disaster over the next two weeks, our season is likely over anyway. Hence, why I don't understand the "sitting on your hands" approach.
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Huh? The Nats/Cubs series are immediately following this weekend. You're saying personnel moves should be made to help the team in those series which means they'd have to make those moves in the next 3 days. Unless you're suggesting swapping Nimmo for Conforto and potentially calling up Dilson, I'm not sure what else they should really do.
Well I was factoring in the second series with the Nats also. But it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't make sense to limp into these two series with a broken team and say "we might decide to improve based on what happens during the most important 11 game stretch of the season." It makes zero fucking sense.
The point is...you have the worst offense in the league going on two months now. You are going into a critical 11 game stretch that may likely determine your season and they are saying that they will determine if there will be any personnel moves AFTER this stretch?
I don't have all the answers but this also isn't my full time job either. I'm sure there are things that could be done before waiting to charge into this critical part of the season with a bad baseball team.
Z, thanks for clarifying. I know you were just reporting what you've heard, and I appreciate that. But if we have a disaster over the next two weeks, our season is likely over anyway. Hence, why I don't understand the "sitting on your hands" approach.
But what is the alternative? You want them to make a big trade now or...?
They'd prefer not to deal a big piece like Wheeler off and lose another valuable asset but if these next couple series' don't go so well, we may have to do that in order to not fall out of the race completely.
The hope is probably that we can keep our heads above water here and do okay in these series' and give ourselves a little more time to get healthy without having to make a "big" trade.
That's my understanding at least or how I'm reading it.
You can't just make a trade for 4 new starting position players. You were always going to have to ride some of this out.
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Huh? The Nats/Cubs series are immediately following this weekend. You're saying personnel moves should be made to help the team in those series which means they'd have to make those moves in the next 3 days. Unless you're suggesting swapping Nimmo for Conforto and potentially calling up Dilson, I'm not sure what else they should really do.
Well I was factoring in the second series with the Nats also. But it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't make sense to limp into these two series with a broken team and say "we might decide to improve based on what happens during the most important 11 game stretch of the season." It makes zero fucking sense.
The point is...you have the worst offense in the league going on two months now. You are going into a critical 11 game stretch that may likely determine your season and they are saying that they will determine if there will be any personnel moves AFTER this stretch?
I don't have all the answers but this also isn't my full time job either. I'm sure there are things that could be done before waiting to charge into this critical part of the season with a bad baseball team.
Z, thanks for clarifying. I know you were just reporting what you've heard, and I appreciate that. But if we have a disaster over the next two weeks, our season is likely over anyway. Hence, why I don't understand the "sitting on your hands" approach.
But what is the alternative? You want them to make a big trade now or...?
What's the alternative? Try some of the kids? Can't keep trotting Conforto out there, as much as I like the kid. DeAza should never see the light of day. Any bench player is an improvement over DeAza. 3rd Base? Maybe something is in the works...but probably not. Maybe it's Reyes. We need to get something out of catcher because none of them can hit. But we are stuck with TdA for the time being, I guess. A big trade? Why not? It's an option.
But to throw your hands up and say "whats the alternatives"? Literally the worst thing we can do is to walk into the two top pitching staffs in the league with the same league-worst offense at a critical juncture of the season. Just my opinion.
This guy clearly knows stuff. He's once shared Sandy's daily office schedule and daily routine right down to when he goes to bed at night. Lol.
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Huh? The Nats/Cubs series are immediately following this weekend. You're saying personnel moves should be made to help the team in those series which means they'd have to make those moves in the next 3 days. Unless you're suggesting swapping Nimmo for Conforto and potentially calling up Dilson, I'm not sure what else they should really do.
Well I was factoring in the second series with the Nats also. But it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't make sense to limp into these two series with a broken team and say "we might decide to improve based on what happens during the most important 11 game stretch of the season." It makes zero fucking sense.
The point is...you have the worst offense in the league going on two months now. You are going into a critical 11 game stretch that may likely determine your season and they are saying that they will determine if there will be any personnel moves AFTER this stretch?
I don't have all the answers but this also isn't my full time job either. I'm sure there are things that could be done before waiting to charge into this critical part of the season with a bad baseball team.
Z, thanks for clarifying. I know you were just reporting what you've heard, and I appreciate that. But if we have a disaster over the next two weeks, our season is likely over anyway. Hence, why I don't understand the "sitting on your hands" approach.
But what is the alternative? You want them to make a big trade now or...?
What's the alternative? Try some of the kids? Can't keep trotting Conforto out there, as much as I like the kid. DeAza should never see the light of day. Any bench player is an improvement over DeAza. 3rd Base? Maybe something is in the works...but probably not. Maybe it's Reyes. We need to get something out of catcher because none of them can hit. But we are stuck with TdA for the time being, I guess. A big trade? Why not? It's an option.
But to throw your hands up and say "whats the alternatives"? Literally the worst thing we can do is to walk into the two top pitching staffs in the league with the same league-worst offense at a critical juncture of the season. Just my opinion.
But you're literally talking about a 3 day span here before we play the Nationals and are acting like the Mets should just go out and overpay in a trade so that they have this new player for these series' against WSH/CHC. To me, that's a shitty strategy. You have to look long-term.
I'd be fine with calling up Nimmo and letting Conforto work his way back in LV.. but is Nimmo just going to come up here and change the landscape of the team by himself?
Reyes is going to be here by the end of the weekend, so they are being active in that regard.
d'Arnaud literally just got back. We're going to have to ride with him. He hit down the stretch in 2014 and hit last year when he was in the lineup for the most part. I have confidence he can get going soon if he can stay on the field.
But you're literally talking about a 3 day span here before we play the Nationals and are acting like the Mets should just go out and overpay in a trade so that they have this new player for these series' against WSH/CHC. To me, that's a shitty strategy. You have to look long-term.
I'd be fine with calling up Nimmo and letting Conforto work his way back in LV.. but is Nimmo just going to come up here and change the landscape of the team by himself?
Reyes is going to be here by the end of the weekend, so they are being active in that regard.
d'Arnaud literally just got back. We're going to have to ride with him. He hit down the stretch in 2014 and hit last year when he was in the lineup for the most part. I have confidence he can get going soon if he can stay on the field.
Again, I'm not looking at a three game span. At worst, I'm looking at an 11 game span and probably more like a 17 game span b/c they play the Nats for a second time after the Cubs series.
You may think its a shitty strategy, fine. But we are about to face the top two pitching staffs with the leagues worst offense. I hope I'm wrong but I can easily see the season being just about over after facing the Cubs and Nats with this offense. We've just lost four straight to the freaking Braves.
That's scary.
The idea that the FO has been asleep at the wheel until now is very silly. The point is that we're coming up on a critical juncture here and the decisions they make in the coming weeks can be the types of things that impact the franchise for a long time. They have to think long and hard about how big a move(s) they want to make here and they also have to consider timing.
I think they're just being as careful as they can and don't want to make any rash decisions.. and that's how I'd personally want it to be. I don't want them panicking in June.
Basically in a nutshell, the Mets don't want to trade their pitching but a disaster stretch might force their hand over the next week.
I disagree with a lot of what's said here...
The cold reality is that there's no replacing everything they lost to injury.
You can squeeze in one or two guys, and you'd still be missing a lot. The only thing you can do is fight to stay in it, take a swing at the trade deadline if anything is out there, and hope these guys come back healthy.
You really don't want to give up talent but if it comes to that, it comes to that.
TDA and Plawecki have really put a crimp in the short and long term plans between injury and ineffectiveness.
As much as I'd like to kill them for trotting out DW again with a bad back, you had to look at Flores as a very good backup option and Wilmer just doesnt seem to provide much.
You normally wouldnt be down on a guy at this stage in Conforto's career but coming into the season they were so dependent on him, his struggles have been a really tough pill to swallow.
The injury to Lagares is another stroke of bad luck.
Throw in Duda and we are back to 1st half of last season type offense.
You can either panic and trade a prospect every time a starter hits the DL, or you play through it.
The idea that the FO has been asleep at the wheel until now is very silly. The point is that we're coming up on a critical juncture here and the decisions they make in the coming weeks can be the types of things that impact the franchise for a long time. They have to think long and hard about how big a move(s) they want to make here and they also have to consider timing.
I think they're just being as careful as they can and don't want to make any rash decisions.. and that's how I'd personally want it to be. I don't want them panicking in June.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Sandy wasn't lounging around by a pool for the last three months...blah blah blah. But I sure do appreciate the sarcasm and conjecture.
It obvious that we won't agree and you'll just exaggerate my points in a snarky way, so we can probably move on. My only point is not that I'm overreacting to anything but to get to the point where we are to walk in to this part of our season with the same old, ineffective lineup...is not good. Not asking for a blockbuster trade. But to hear that they will wait until AFTER these next 11/12 games to determine what to do is disheartening. And that's because there's a high likelihood that the season could be out of reach by then. That is all.
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I'm pretty sure Alderson wasn't lounging around by a pool for the last 3 months and just got a text saying "hey, we might need to start paying attention here"...
The idea that the FO has been asleep at the wheel until now is very silly. The point is that we're coming up on a critical juncture here and the decisions they make in the coming weeks can be the types of things that impact the franchise for a long time. They have to think long and hard about how big a move(s) they want to make here and they also have to consider timing.
I think they're just being as careful as they can and don't want to make any rash decisions.. and that's how I'd personally want it to be. I don't want them panicking in June.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Sandy wasn't lounging around by a pool for the last three months...blah blah blah. But I sure do appreciate the sarcasm and conjecture.
It obvious that we won't agree and you'll just exaggerate my points in a snarky way, so we can probably move on. My only point is not that I'm overreacting to anything but to get to the point where we are to walk in to this part of our season with the same old, ineffective lineup...is not good. Not asking for a blockbuster trade. But to hear that they will wait until AFTER these next 11/12 games to determine what to do is disheartening. And that's because there's a high likelihood that the season could be out of reach by then. That is all.
Really not much sarcasm or conjecture. You literally said it was "scary" that the FO was just now getting serious about the season which to me implies that you don't think they were before. Kind of silly, IMO. Of course they were. But this is obviously a crucial stretch and the point is nearing where whatever they do or do not do will have a rather large impact on the way the rest of our season goes.
I guess I'm just not that clear on what type of move you want them to make outside of calling up Nimmo or Herrera. It sounds like they're bringing in Reyes. They brought Johnson back, they picked up Loney. None of these are "big" moves but obviously they're being proactive in trying to keep holes plugged enough to keep us from sinking. They're not just doing "nothing".
Like I said before, the big trade is really the last resort but if they have to do it, they probably will. They're not going to force it right now, well before the deadline though.. they'd be overpaying and giving away even more.
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I guess I'll elaborate (just don't crucify me). I'm not trying to break news or be that guy. Just simply sharing amongst friends fully aware it could be wrong. He basically said this weekend and stretch right after is crucial. They have two temporary solutions that don't cost much but also aren't difference makers (safe to assume Reyes is one). They also have the parameters of a deal for a big player but are weary to give up a starting pitcher (Wheeler?). This is a player not linked to the media and he says the trades that get made are often the ones you don't hear about.
Basically in a nutshell, the Mets don't want to trade their pitching but a disaster stretch might force their hand over the next week.
I disagree with a lot of what's said here...
Ok. Care to elaborate which parts? I'm trying to read between the lines a bit but I guess I could be off?
Cabrera, SS
Cespedes, CF
Walker, 2B
Loney, 1B
Flores, 3B
Conforto, LF
d'Arnaud, C
Matz, LHP
Lets go for Trout. :)
I predict that maybe Sandy is targeting Braun or even maybe Lucroy. I have no inside info I just have a gut feeling that he may be targeting one of possibly both players for maybe Wheeler, TDA, and possibly De Aza to free up some cash.
Hoping for a bounce back game from mate. We really have to have this game tonight. The matchup is lopsided in our favor on paper.
Got ya I just thought Braun and Lucroy would be huge additions.
Collins on Reyes, answering a question and using the words "when he does get here." All signs point to Reyes' arrival this weekend.
Swap Conforto and Nimmo and get Reyes on this team!
Slowing down his motion? Rubbing his elbow? Not effing good.
He's hitting like .120 for 2 months now. They've been more patient with him than many teams would with a young player. The concern is he looks to be getting worse. He has NO plate discipline anymore. What use to be his strength is now his weakness. Might have to send him down to regain confidence
So much for the laugher.
+1000
I'm on board ...I'll watch golf instead.
Steven Matz hit 94 MPH or better on the TV radar gun
On 25 of 35 fastballs in 1st 4 innings
On 1 of 17 fastballs in 5th inning
Steven Matz hit 94 MPH or better on the TV radar gun
On 25 of 35 fastballs in 1st 4 innings
On 1 of 17 fastballs in 5th inning
This combined with that shot of Matz rubbing his elbow before the 5th inning is worrisome.
Today is the 4th game in a 20 in 20 stretch. Bullpen had already tossed 13 2/3 innings entering tonight. That adds up quickly.
Only 2nd time Terry has asked Jeurys for 1+ innings, but this is appearance 37 in 72 games.
Nats ace Max Scherzer gave up 5 runs in Milwaukee tonight, and Nats are trailing, 5-3. Nats have not won since exactly a week ago.
We need our next starter to go long! Is it Degrom's turn?
Steven Matz's elbow is fine, Terry Collins says. He doesn't even have it wrapped in the postgame clubhouse. #Mets
Kristie Ackert
Collins said Matz feels fine. Just lost command. #Mets
Marc Carig
TC says Matz didn't raise any issue with his elbow.
What quasi-injury? He took a cortisone needle in the wrist.That's no picnic.
Matz says his elbow feels fine.
But that was only part of the sentence
Anthony DiComo
Matz hesitated a bit when asked about rubbing his elbow in the dugout, but said only: "It's been tight, but it's fine."
"Miraculous," d'Arnaud says of Loney's pick to end the game.
Clint Robinson pinch hitting
"Just leaving the ball up and they were capitalizing." Matz on his unraveling in the fifth.
Steven Matz fastball velo in 5th inning typically down about .3-.4 mph from 1st-4th
Today was down a full mph (93.7 to 92.7)
Money had to anticipate where that throw would be. Was shielded by the runner.
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Nats lose.
Cespedes is fine. Said he simply lost the ball.
Cespedes is fine. Said he simply lost the ball.
Kristie Ackert
Cespedes says ankle is fine. Wrist is fine
No sense waiting until Saturday at say, 1:01 p.m. to say, “Hey, can Jose catch flies?”
“Even though they’re not here, you’ve got to have some type of a plan in mind when he does get here, especially at this particular time,” Collins said. “We’ve got so many things going on. … We’ve discussed it, if Jose happens to come, what we’re going to do.”"
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Reyes
Nimmo
Cespedes
Granderson
Walker
TDA
Loney
Cabrera
I can live with that lineup.
He was terrible in Colorado but I think that is mostly because he was sulking. That's not to excuse it. He is a professional and should have played to his bet capability. But he is also a human and being and none of us are perfect.
So, I completely write off Colorado, which means I don't buy into the notion his skills have declined.
Of course, that's just my opinion and the it may prove o be wrong. But for the sake of argument, let's just say I'm right and Reyes can hit .290 and play a decent SS. Any chance he takes Cabrera's job?
They're supposedly really happy with Cabrera's defense and don't want to move him.
Reyes in LF sounds a little crazy to me but I think he could passably handle 3B.
Also, the Nats are in a bit of a tailspin right now. They've gotta be kicking themselves for not being able to capitalize on us losing to ATL 4 times.
I agree about not disrupting Walker and Cabrera's chemistry. Those guys can turn a DP. But Cabrera also has no range. His lack of speed also leads to rally killing GIDPs when he bats second. Getting him some days off and moving him down in the lineup won't be the worst thing.
And while he has played well, he is batting .265 with an OPS around .720 or .730. So, it is not like he is tearing it up.
DMM started a separate thread on it