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Don't know much about the guy other than he looks like Ed Monix from Semi Pro.
Couples News and Notes;
Derrick Rose will be introduced tonight at MSG at 6pm
-Rose and Noah were in NY last night
-KD and Melo are working out together. (I know, I know)
-Hornacek and Phil pretty much say we still need a 2 and a 5. They don't want KP gaining too much weight. I'd imagine they don't have plans for a permanent center approach.
-Phil says he would like to have Rose longterm, but that's a discussion for another day.
Ignore all the facts about Rose's game, how Butlers #s are vastly better with Rose on the bench, whatever other info you want- dep026 says he's still got it!
Seriously though, tell us more about how Derrick Rose is a stud and we should be happy to have him! I cant remember which idiot it was, you or Chris R, who was trying to convince us(or more like yourselves) that Rose was going to jump HIGHER after his knee surgeries.
Ignore all the facts about Rose's game, how Butlers #s are vastly better with Rose on the bench, whatever other info you want- dep026 says he's still got it!
1. Never said he was a stud.... just said he could be a very productive player.
2. Never said that shit about him jumping higher after him injuring his knees.
So once again you are providing how fucking stupid you are because you make shit up as you go.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ratings.html
I maybe a simpleton, but here is the explanation of defensive/offensive ratings..... seems pretty advance to me when you need formulas and calculations to come up with how a player is performing.
You can show me all you want with Jimmy Butler's numbers without rose on the floor. Butler is an all-star player, a better player than rose right now. By the way....how good have the Bulls been since rose got hurt a few years ago? They win 1 playoff series without him? Against a massively ovverated Nets squad?
Keep bring the stupid sgrcts. Between you and radar, I dont know who is fucking dumber.
And if the deal busts, it's not "pain-free". We gave up a starting center on a good deal and the #19 overall pick in last year's draft. Why is that such a difficult concept for people to understand? Some draft pick down the road would be pain, but Lopez and Grant are pain free?
Grant literally showed nothing as a rookie. That's not a guarantee that he won't have some value at a later point, but he can't be an "asset" solely because he was the 19th pick in the previous draft. How many teams do you think would've traded a 1st rounder yesterday for Grant based on what they saw in 2015-2016? I think saying more than one is a stretch.
The starting center they gave up was replaced the previous season by Mason Plumlee/Meyers Leonard and there was no ensuing catastrophe. The starting center played as well as could be expected and the Knicks won 30 games with him.
As to that link- you must really be afraid of math or something, I don't know what to tell you. The stat is as simple to understand as any stat in sports, and Rose is awful by that, or basically any metric. Except dep026's eyes!!! championship!
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And if the deal busts, it's not "pain-free". We gave up a starting center on a good deal and the #19 overall pick in last year's draft. Why is that such a difficult concept for people to understand? Some draft pick down the road would be pain, but Lopez and Grant are pain free?
Grant literally showed nothing as a rookie. That's not a guarantee that he won't have some value at a later point, but he can't be an "asset" solely because he was the 19th pick in the previous draft. How many teams do you think would've traded a 1st rounder yesterday for Grant based on what they saw in 2015-2016? I think saying more than one is a stretch.
The starting center they gave up was replaced the previous season by Mason Plumlee/Meyers Leonard and there was no ensuing catastrophe. The starting center played as well as could be expected and the Knicks won 30 games with him.
How many teams? 10-15 I'd say after watching how little value teams were placing on non-lottery picks. You can say he "literally" showed nothing but you'd be literally wrong. In fact he showed he could get to the rim at will, he could defend, and better than any other guard he got people the ball in the right spot (a skill that shows up in the FG% stats of guys who took his passes). After the ASG, he shot 46.4%/30.4%/77.5% -- pretty respectable. Per 37 minutes (doubling his 18:27 post ASG mpg) he rated 15 points, 4.2 assists, 2.6 rebounds, 1.8 steals. Your point is "literally" dumb.
As for Rolo, Mason Plumlee is a good player. Where are we getting a Mason Plumlee this offseason without blowing the bank or trading an asset? Tell me the player and the compensation please.
As to that link- you must really be afraid of math or something, I don't know what to tell you. The stat is as simple to understand as any stat in sports, and Rose is awful by that, or basically any metric. Except dep026's eyes!!! championship!
You do realize when you go to each players rating... it's listed right under the category "advsnce" right?
I thought he was particularly impressive during the playoffs, especially as he stepped up into a distributor role against the Clips when LA effectively trapped POR's guards. In the playoffs Plumlee averaged (per 36): 9.1 points, 15.3 rebounds (matched against the great DeAndre), and a whopping 6.2 assists.
I'd love to have Mason Plumlee.
Maybe he's not elite but he came up big against the clippers. Sure, CP3 and BG went down but he went up against Jordan and put up 8, 12 and 6.
It's not all about going "small" it's about having a 5 that can make plays. Maybe Lopez wasn't exactly that but he averaged like 2-3 assists per game and knew how to play in an offense.
Oh whoops fucking forgot there were 3 of them. If that's the youngest one then yeah you're right.
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Plumlee sucks. He's a warm body and nothing more.
Oh whoops fucking forgot there were 3 of them. If that's the youngest one then yeah you're right.
Yeah, Mason is definitely passable. Marshall got bench for major stretches at Duke. He blows.
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Plumlee sucks. He's a warm body and nothing more.
Oh whoops fucking forgot there were 3 of them. If that's the youngest one then yeah you're right.
Yeah, Mason is definitely passable. Marshall got bench for major stretches at Duke. He blows.
I thought that one had a service requirement.
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How many teams? 10-15 I'd say after watching how little value teams were placing on non-lottery picks. You can say he "literally" showed nothing but you'd be literally wrong. In fact he showed he could get to the rim at will, he could defend, and better than any other guard he got people the ball in the right spot (a skill that shows up in the FG% stats of guys who took his passes). After the ASG, he shot 46.4%/30.4%/77.5% -- pretty respectable. Per 37 minutes (doubling his 18:27 post ASG mpg) he rated 15 points, 4.2 assists, 2.6 rebounds, 1.8 steals. Your point is "literally" dumb.
As for Rolo, Mason Plumlee is a good player. Where are we getting a Mason Plumlee this offseason without blowing the bank or trading an asset? Tell me the player and the compensation please.
Calm down... we don't agree about what Grant showed or how difficult it will be to replace Lopez, but I wouldn't call your opinion dumb. I believe that if Grant showed something/anything that indicated future NBA starter, Phil wouldn't have traded him. You obviously have a MUCH higher opinion of what you saw from him than I do or the Knicks front office ultimately did.
As I've said in previous threads, the value of centers to winning franchises is lower than it's ever been. I don't think you really need to "replace" Robin Lopez. Mozgov could do the exact same thing as Plumlee and he wouldn't cost 15 million a year. The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team All-NBA centers since 2014 have 2 playoff victories among them. I wouldn't make the mistake of giving Noah or Howard a pile of money either. I hope the Knicks avoid that too.
I never said Robin Lopez sucked... not once. I do think it's been proven he can be replaced without paying anyone the same amount he was getting paid. But please, continue with your rant.
OKC neutralized GS by having a center that you couldn't go small against because he outrebounded and could switch on screens. Lopez may not be all of that, I'll admit but he gives you many of those things. OKC beat the Spurs by playing 2 centers against them.
Your argument conveniently leaves out Jordan, who didn't advance a round because 2 other All NBA teammates got knocked out.
We can sit here and argue about whether Tristan Thompson is a true center or not but the reality is would you play KP 40 minutes against him in a playoff game? I'm part of the "KP as a center bandwagon" but that's still many years away. There needs to be a legit center on this team for another 4 years but I'm not sure I want to drop $100M on just anyone of them.
Ignore all the facts about Rose's game, how Butlers #s are vastly better with Rose on the bench, whatever other info you want- dep026 says he's still got it!
Butler's stats with Rose on the bench don't say anything about how Rose will fare in New York. They just show what everyone already knew, the two guys clashed and never figured out how to coexist on the court.
Rose played better when Butler was on the bench, does that mean Butler is a piece of shit too?
In the 8 games that Rose played but Butler didn't due to injury, Rose averaged 21.7 pts, 6.1 assists, 4.6 rebounds and shot 45.9% from the field.
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You are an idiot, so it doesn't mean anything. You are the same guy who thinks Orating and Drating are "advanced" stats, therefore should be thrown out the window because your minuscule brain cant comprehend them. Seriously though, tell us more about how Derrick Rose is a stud and we should be happy to have him! I cant remember which idiot it was, you or Chris R, who was trying to convince us(or more like yourselves) that Rose was going to jump HIGHER after his knee surgeries.
Ignore all the facts about Rose's game, how Butlers #s are vastly better with Rose on the bench, whatever other info you want- dep026 says he's still got it!
Butler's stats with Rose on the bench don't say anything about how Rose will fare in New York. They just show what everyone already knew, the two guys clashed and never figured out how to coexist on the court.
Rose played better when Butler was on the bench, does that mean Butler is a piece of shit too?
In the 8 games that Rose played but Butler didn't due to injury, Rose averaged 21.7 pts, 6.1 assists, 4.6 rebounds and shot 45.9% from the field.
Shhhh... we need calculated formulas to determine if these stats mean anything.
Calm down... we don't agree about what Grant showed or how difficult it will be to replace Lopez, but I wouldn't call your opinion dumb. I believe that if Grant showed something/anything that indicated future NBA starter, Phil wouldn't have traded him. You obviously have a MUCH higher opinion of what you saw from him than I do or the Knicks front office ultimately did.
Yes but your dismissal of Grant's promising post ASG play as showing "literally nothing" is nonsensical.
There are a bunch of Knicks fans just dismissing the cost we paid in this trade because, as Dan said, they're star fuckers. They like big names. Well Rolo and Grant were probably going to give us about 9-10 wins, and if I had to pick o/u I'd bet the over. And then the next year, and the next year. One year of Rose better be worth 20+ wins (not gonna happen) to make up for that cheap production. Which is fine IF THERE IS A REASON TO GO ALL IN. But there wasnt. This team isnt close, and shouldnt be using two assets for short term fixes.
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Calm down... we don't agree about what Grant showed or how difficult it will be to replace Lopez, but I wouldn't call your opinion dumb. I believe that if Grant showed something/anything that indicated future NBA starter, Phil wouldn't have traded him. You obviously have a MUCH higher opinion of what you saw from him than I do or the Knicks front office ultimately did.
Yes but your dismissal of Grant's promising post ASG play as showing "literally nothing" is nonsensical.
There are a bunch of Knicks fans just dismissing the cost we paid in this trade because, as Dan said, they're star fuckers. They like big names. Well Rolo and Grant were probably going to give us about 9-10 wins, and if I had to pick o/u I'd bet the over. And then the next year, and the next year. One year of Rose better be worth 20+ wins (not gonna happen) to make up for that cheap production. Which is fine IF THERE IS A REASON TO GO ALL IN. But there wasnt. This team isnt close, and shouldnt be using two assets for short term fixes.
Does your analysis suggest that RoLo and Grant are combined worth 9-10 wins above replacement player? I don't think they are using the eyesight test, so do you have metrics to back that up? I could be wrong, of course.
The starting center they gave up was replaced the previous season by Mason Plumlee/Meyers Leonard and there was no ensuing catastrophe. The starting center played as well as could be expected and the Knicks won 30 games with him.
This is no way to evaluate talent. Tired of seeing this posted as some kind of validation. It's about as insightful as "Giants have a losing season for 3 years, Eli = bum"
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Calm down... we don't agree about what Grant showed or how difficult it will be to replace Lopez, but I wouldn't call your opinion dumb. I believe that if Grant showed something/anything that indicated future NBA starter, Phil wouldn't have traded him. You obviously have a MUCH higher opinion of what you saw from him than I do or the Knicks front office ultimately did.
Yes but your dismissal of Grant's promising post ASG play as showing "literally nothing" is nonsensical.
There are a bunch of Knicks fans just dismissing the cost we paid in this trade because, as Dan said, they're star fuckers. They like big names. Well Rolo and Grant were probably going to give us about 9-10 wins, and if I had to pick o/u I'd bet the over. And then the next year, and the next year. One year of Rose better be worth 20+ wins (not gonna happen) to make up for that cheap production. Which is fine IF THERE IS A REASON TO GO ALL IN. But there wasnt. This team isnt close, and shouldnt be using two assets for short term fixes.
Does your analysis suggest that RoLo and Grant are combined worth 9-10 wins above replacement player? I don't think they are using the eyesight test, so do you have metrics to back that up? I could be wrong, of course.
Im guessing off of winshares. I think Grant is a lot like Reggie Jackson, who produced 2.5, 5, and 5. I give Grant 2.5 per year. Conservative I think. Rolo I think is a 7 win player based on his last 3 seasons, adjusting for injury time lost. Also conservative -- his WS rate over 3 years times 2400 minutes is 7.6. Nore sure how many a replacement player gives you. We had guys who were negative.
Johnson from unc will be swallowed whole in the NBA mark my words. Doesn't do anything great to stand out against the NBA talents.
I think the most promising thing you can look at is his progression through last season - he started off trash, mainly due to playing through the eye injury that impaired his vision (didn't stop people criticizing him though). A testament to his work ethic, he developed a bank shot that was one of his best weapons last season, purely in that time, to compensate for the inability to gauge distance. He probably shot the most bank jumpers in the league last season, and he maintained it even when his eye improved.
His 3 point shooting was trash for the majority of the season, but I think it was the last 20-30 games or so, he shot it really well, so fingers crossed that continues.
His driving got more and more aggressive as the year went on.. though obviously not back to the reckless abandon of his prime years. The more shiftiness you see from him, the better the signs are. Chances are you'll be lucky to see him dunk all season, he's made an effort to stop doing that, though he occasionally puts one in.
As a 'PG', he's no amazing playmaker, as I'm sure you realize. His best ability setting up others is using his penetration to create looks for others. The better his scoring game is, the better his assist game is. He throws really firm, hard passes which I love, but he's not going to be overly creative or wow you with his vision or craftiness setting up others. Just a solid fundamental guy. He was also really effective with Gasol on offense; they'd frequently run a two man game and hitting Pau on the pop would be a bread and butter play for us, hopefully he finds a similar connection with Kristaps.
He hasn't gotten to the FT line a whole heap, especially post-injuries, sometimes he gets shafted by the refs but for the most part he's always been an 'avoid contact' guy. This hurts his offensive efficiency somewhat, combined with him being an effective mid-range shooter rather than a long range one.
Defense was really poor last season, hopefully that improves. The front office called him out for his defense at the end season presser. A degree of it has to do with his confidence defending laterally with his knees, imo. Either way, he's been a high level defender when motivated in the past, and hopefully improves again this season. His defensive issues were compounded by terrible PnR defense from our big men, particularly Gasol. Teams would run those two to death in the PnR last season to capitalize.
If Rose stays healthy, he's going to be have a great season, definitely his best since the injuries, imo. A fresh start, new support, and a contract year should inspire him to have some great basketball, not to mention he's coming off his most complete season yet, having played 66 games. He won't have to share PG duties with Butler, and he should have much better spacing in NY as well, so he's in a good position to succeed.
Oh, and Rose and Joakim are BFF's. Them trading Rose is the main reason Jo doesn't want to come back, imo. Between that and his NY roots, I honestly think his ideal destination is NY, but if teams like Washington are offering him the max, I don't think he can say no.
From 12/25 to 3/24 (35 games):
19.4 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.4 apg on 53.4% TS in 31.4 mpg (22/4/5 per 36), with the following shooting splits:
0-3 feet: 57%
4-9 feet: 50%
10-15 feet: 43%
16 feet - 3P: 41%
3P: 36%
FT: 85%
I left out some bad games after that, but he was playing through a minor elbow injury and basically couldn't use one arm for a few games. He wasn't perfectly healthy during the above stretch either, needing to rest 1-2 games here or there, but the rest allowed him to stay effective. I think that if it weren't for the eye injury, he could have started out putting up numbers like that and gotten better from there. There are still plenty of things he can improve on - getting to the FT line more, playing more consistent defense, making more plays for teammates - but I believe that now that he's somewhat over the hurdle of getting his scoring touch back, the rest of his game will start coming back too, IF he stays relatively healthy for an extended period of time.
Derrick Rose says he is "close" to returning MVP form. But he'd rather not talking about it, choosing to let his "game speak for itself."
It's a no lose situation. He stinks it up or gets hurt, he's gone in the off-season without sacrificing your long term future. If he succeeds, then you have solved your PG problem and have a guy who clearly bolsters NY as a destination. And KD supposedly said hed only consider Knicks if they improved their backcourt situation.
Haters going to hate this was the right move for the current situation
Melo KP and Rose at MSG- combined 75 pts - ( New Window )
Derrick Rose says he is "close" to returning MVP form. But he'd rather not talking about it, choosing to let his "game speak for itself."
It's a no lose situation. He stinks it up or gets hurt, he's gone in the off-season without sacrificing your long term future. If he succeeds, then you have solved your PG problem and have a guy who clearly bolsters NY as a destination. And KD supposedly said hed only consider Knicks if they improved their backcourt situation.
Haters going to hate this was the right move for the current situation
Him putting together a standout but not stellar season might be my worst fear. I just love the caliber of PGs next year, Lowry and CP3 especially. They are both two way players who are willing passers. Say what you want about how good Rose is but he's never been praised for his defense and unselfishness. He's the Kobe in PG form. Which is why I think it's not surprising he hasn't been able to adjust. He struggles in pick and roll because no one respects his jumper and he doesn't have the best awareness either. I'm going to root for him, no doubt. But best case scenario we land one of those 2 true PGs next season.
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Derrick Rose says he is "close" to returning MVP form. But he'd rather not talking about it, choosing to let his "game speak for itself."
It's a no lose situation. He stinks it up or gets hurt, he's gone in the off-season without sacrificing your long term future. If he succeeds, then you have solved your PG problem and have a guy who clearly bolsters NY as a destination. And KD supposedly said hed only consider Knicks if they improved their backcourt situation.
Haters going to hate this was the right move for the current situation
Him putting together a standout but not stellar season might be my worst fear. I just love the caliber of PGs next year, Lowry and CP3 especially. They are both two way players who are willing passers. Say what you want about how good Rose is but he's never been praised for his defense and unselfishness. He's the Kobe in PG form. Which is why I think it's not surprising he hasn't been able to adjust. He struggles in pick and roll because no one respects his jumper and he doesn't have the best awareness either.
1. Kyle Lowry is bit overrated. Not saying Rose is better than him, but if commands a max contract, your foolish for taking him.
2. Rose isnt a defensive player like CP3, but he can defend. You will be shocked at well he actually defends (believe it or not, he tunes it up for the elite guards.)
3. Rose is anything but a selfish player. He is more than a willing passer but for the majority of his career, he had to be the guy.
4. Rose is more than adequate in the pick and roll offense. Boozer and Gasol got NUMEROUS open jumpers with the PnR. Also, if Bigs play off of him, his mid range jumper is actually qutie good. And he lives off bigs playing off of him, because it just gives him more room to attack.
The one shot he really improved upon is his wing bank shot. It was really reliable at the end of the year.
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Ian Begley @IanBegley
Derrick Rose says he is "close" to returning MVP form. But he'd rather not talking about it, choosing to let his "game speak for itself."
It's a no lose situation. He stinks it up or gets hurt, he's gone in the off-season without sacrificing your long term future. If he succeeds, then you have solved your PG problem and have a guy who clearly bolsters NY as a destination. And KD supposedly said hed only consider Knicks if they improved their backcourt situation.
Haters going to hate this was the right move for the current situation
Him putting together a standout but not stellar season might be my worst fear. I just love the caliber of PGs next year, Lowry and CP3 especially. They are both two way players who are willing passers. Say what you want about how good Rose is but he's never been praised for his defense and unselfishness. He's the Kobe in PG form. Which is why I think it's not surprising he hasn't been able to adjust. He struggles in pick and roll because no one respects his jumper and he doesn't have the best awareness either.
1. Kyle Lowry is bit overrated. Not saying Rose is better than him, but if commands a max contract, your foolish for taking him.
2. Rose isnt a defensive player like CP3, but he can defend. You will be shocked at well he actually defends (believe it or not, he tunes it up for the elite guards.)
3. Rose is anything but a selfish player. He is more than a willing passer but for the majority of his career, he had to be the guy.
4. Rose is more than adequate in the pick and roll offense. Boozer and Gasol got NUMEROUS open jumpers with the PnR. Also, if Bigs play off of him, his mid range jumper is actually qutie good. And he lives off bigs playing off of him, because it just gives him more room to attack.
The one shot he really improved upon is his wing bank shot. It was really reliable at the end of the year.
Health as usual is the biggest variable but make no mistake this is a HUGE get. NBA has become all about playing with your 'star' buddy on a team. Melo,KP and Rose are all highly regarded by other players. KD could seriously consider us now. Best case scenario, if we get him we contend for a championship next year (if guys stay healthy) . Worst case no KD and Rose gets hurt and we have room for 2 maxes next year (providing no overpay for a 2nd tier guy).
espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16427670/chicago-bulls-trade-derrick-rose-new-york-knicks-nba
But sure I'll agree he hasn't had the teammates. Though Boozer, Deng, and Gasol aren't exactly chop liver. Not sure how much better NY is gonna be overall as an offensive team than peak Bulls teams this season.
I can see why people think Lowry is overrated but the way he played in the playoffs is undeniable. Talking about not having good teammates. Him and Derozan didn't exactly have top tier chemistry together. He's able to grind it out and get fouls in the half court and is relentless on defense.
If Rose puts up a season like Lowry did last year I would consider that fantastic. But even if you think Lowry is overrated I don't see how giving rose a max contract over him is justified. I mean investing $120M with someone with his knees isn't exactly exciting. I think even the most avid Rose supporter would recognize that. Especially when we are talking about the Knicks.
espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16427670/chicago-bulls-trade-derrick-rose-new-york-knicks-nba
But sure I'll agree he hasn't had the teammates. Though Boozer, Deng, and Gasol aren't exactly chop liver. Not sure how much better NY is gonna be overall as an offensive team than peak Bulls teams this season.
I can see why people think Lowry is overrated but the way he played in the playoffs is undeniable. Talking about not having good teammates. Him and Derozan didn't exactly have top tier chemistry together. He's able to grind it out and get fouls in the half court and is relentless on defense.
If Rose puts up a season like Lowry did last year I would consider that fantastic. But even if you think Lowry is overrated I don't see how giving rose a max contract over him is justified. I mean investing $120M with someone with his knees isn't exactly exciting. I think even the most avid Rose supporter would recognize that. Especially when we are talking about the Knicks.
Gasol and boozer were the main pick bigs, however they really weren't rollers. They picked and popped. Deng was rarely ever used in a pick plays. But I'll put it this way... the thought of passing to Melo and porz, is much more enticing than gasol and whoeever. Gasol had his moments... but I think he will have no problem dishing it off to those 2.
And remmeber the 3rd guy who picked a lot for rose.... Noah. I don't think even noah wanted the ball passed to him.
Melo by himself is a tier of offensive ability the Bulls never had. And you'd expect that an offensive-minded coach would help the situation too. The bulls' best offense was their defense.
Melo by himself is a tier of offensive ability the Bulls never had. And you'd expect that an offensive-minded coach would help the situation too. The bulls' best offense was their defense.
Thibs spent 80% of practice if not more onndefense. Great defensive coach. Average on offense.
Nope
This is no way to evaluate talent. Tired of seeing this posted as some kind of validation. It's about as insightful as "Giants have a losing season for 3 years, Eli = bum"
I don't quite get your last point because I never said that Robin Lopez wasn't good for the Knicks last season. What I have said repeatedly is that having a Robin Lopez isn't a necessity for teams who're where we want to be like the playoffs, deep in the playoffs, and eventually competing for a title. The Celtics don't have a center who's half as good as Lopez. I've also said that in today's NBA, a center is less important than the other positions, especially PG. This is a guards, wings, and stretch 4/5 league now. Because of those reasons, it's not necessary for the Knicks to get an exact replacement for RoLo.
I love what the Blazers did. They acquired Plumlee with a 1st round pick. They signed Ed Davis and Al Farouq Aminu for 2 million more than RoLo makes in a season. They acquired Allen Crabbe (a few years ago) and Mo Harkless with 2nd round picks. I'd love to see the Knicks spread that money around and improve the overall depth and athleticism of the team. I'm not going to be one of these people bitching and moaning about how will they ever replace Robin Lopez. KP isn't ready to play center 35+ minutes a night for 80+ games yet, but he will be in a few years. Until then, a short-term stopgap or 20 minute a night guy will suffice.
Sign Durant or sign batum and noah?
Sign Durant or sign batum and noah?
Durant
Sign Durant or sign batum and noah?
Lol is that a choice? Batum and Noah is asking for a second round exit.
So if we don't get Durant do we just sign players on a 1 year deal and hope to luck up in free agency next year?
So if we don't get Durant do we just sign players on a 1 year deal and hope to luck up in free agency next year?
If you read Berman article he basically admits he hasn't been able to confirm knicks have a meeting so instead he goes with the dire straights type of article rather than just saying no time confirmed yet...
If he is meeting with teams in new York he is going to meet with the knicks, he is not going to spurn 2 of his better friends in the league
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I know you don't say no to Durant but say you had the choice...
Sign Durant or sign batum and noah?
Lol is that a choice? Batum and Noah is asking for a second round exit.
2nd round exit? How do you figure?
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That Durant has set meetings with teams & the Knicks don't have one yet.
So if we don't get Durant do we just sign players on a 1 year deal and hope to luck up in free agency next year?
If you read Berman article he basically admits he hasn't been able to confirm knicks have a meeting so instead he goes with the dire straights type of article rather than just saying no time confirmed yet...
If he is meeting with teams in new York he is going to meet with the knicks, he is not going to spurn 2 of his better friends in the league
Its been confirmed he is working out with Melo right now and that they are very very close.It also sounds like hes doing all his interviewing out of New York. I have seen multiple reports he wanted the Knicks to improve their backcourt to consider them. With that said, I would be amazed if we dont get a legit in depth meeting and strong consideration.
He just saw Lebron leave Miami and bring a championship to a city he loves. If he thinks he can win one here (Melo,KP,Rose and Durant if healthy is a 4 some up there with any in the NBA) we have a shot at this.
Obviously adding him to SA or GS (or staying in OKC) would make those teams pretty unstoppable too but one can not discount NY as a very favorable situation at this point as well.
It could come down to what the additional peices will be around the big 4. Some of the biggest weakness would be a defensive stopper at the 5 (Noah but will he sign for less to fit both?) and getting a guy that can play some legit SG minutes (preferably a strong defender)
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I know you don't say no to Durant but say you had the choice...
Sign Durant or sign batum and noah?
Lol is that a choice? Batum and Noah is asking for a second round exit.
2nd round exit? How do you figure?
Absolutely 0 depth.