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Don't know much about the guy other than he looks like Ed Monix from Semi Pro.
Couples News and Notes;
Derrick Rose will be introduced tonight at MSG at 6pm
-Rose and Noah were in NY last night
-KD and Melo are working out together. (I know, I know)
-Hornacek and Phil pretty much say we still need a 2 and a 5. They don't want KP gaining too much weight. I'd imagine they don't have plans for a permanent center approach.
-Phil says he would like to have Rose longterm, but that's a discussion for another day.
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Grant went from 34.9% and 14.8% from 3 to 46.4% and 30.4% after break. The latter percentages don't look all that diff from Rose's post-ASB
but hey, BBI's crack team of basketball experts determined he was never going to amount to much so let's just throw him into any old trade.
Cant shoot. Upside is a backup. Already a bust
30 M a year for JOAKIM NOAH!?!? Fuck that. I'm more than happy with DH12 or Pau
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Supposedly going to offer Joakim Noah a 4 year contract worth around 120 million. I like him, but that's a lot more then I thought he'd get.
30 M a year for JOAKIM NOAH!?!? Fuck that. I'm more than happy with DH12 or Pau
And this is why I scorn the people who shrug at the notion that losing Rolo was a big deal. And laugh at the people who talk about trading him as creating "flexibility".
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Supposedly going to offer Joakim Noah a 4 year contract worth around 120 million. I like him, but that's a lot more then I thought he'd get.
30 M a year for JOAKIM NOAH!?!? Fuck that. I'm more than happy with DH12 or Pau
And this is why I scorn the people who shrug at the notion that losing Rolo was a big deal. And laugh at the people who talk about trading him as creating "flexibility".
but we have cap space! We can sign anyone we want! The Dream Team ain't got shit on the 2017 Knicks!
The summer of crazy spending in the NBA is only days away and it is likely to start in Washington. But were not talking about the Wizards pursuit of Kevin Durant, which most observers regard as slightly delusional.
According to sources, the Wiz are locked in on making a major offer to Joakim Noah. The Wizards are said to be willing to offer Noah, coming off shoulder surgery that KOd him in January, a full maximum contract. His deal would start at $28 million and reach around $120 million over four seasons.
and then
If teams are convinced Noah is healthy, he will get a max deal, and Washington is panicking because Nene is done and they didnt make the playoffs last season, said one GM. Theyll overpay for Noah they always do.
Holy hell.
With his injury history? 30 million a year, are they nuts!? The RoLo deal looks like bargain basement pricing, and now pales in comparison.
The Washington Wizards are prepared to make a major offer to Joakim Noah in free agency.
Washington will offer Noah a full maximum contract that would start at $28 million and reach around $120 million over four seasons.
Noah is coming off shoulder surgery that ended his season in January.
Noah is expected to leave the Chicago Bulls this offseason and they traded for Robin Lopez previously this week. A source said Noah has no intentions of re-signing with the Bulls and is ready to move on this offseason.
The New York Knicks, Minnesota Timberwolves and Milwaukee Bucks are also preparing major offers to Noah.
Why would Dwight Howars sign for 1 or 2 years (or Pau for that matter) in a league where Noah gets 120 million over 4?
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Give me a year or two of Pau or Howard and hope that Willy kicks some serious ass and takes over the starting C role in a few years.
Why would Dwight Howars sign for 1 or 2 years (or Pau for that matter) in a league where Noah gets 120 million over 4?
Exactly. If we want them, we're paying max. Imv
Grant is a nice player, but all of a sudden I'm supposed to get hot and bothers because he raised his 3 PT % to 30? Come the fuck on.
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Give me a year or two of Pau or Howard and hope that Willy kicks some serious ass and takes over the starting C role in a few years.
Why would Dwight Howars sign for 1 or 2 years (or Pau for that matter) in a league where Noah gets 120 million over 4?
Because the cap will go up and Howard could use a prove it deal.
How much does Pau have left in the tank? He's up there in age? Will he really get a 4 year deal?
So he'd be a perfect stopgap for us until Willy is ready. Willy can learn behind Pau.
He might not get a multi year deal. The question with Pau is how much he can actually help the Knicks if he's acquirable.
Grant is a nice player, but all of a sudden I'm supposed to get hot and bothers because he raised his 3 PT % to 30? Come the fuck on.
if you think acquiring a broken down, declining player with one year on his contract is "filling a hole", I don't know what to tell you.
Will the NBA become uncapped soon?
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it's going to be easier to fill a hole at PG this offseason than a hole at C, I don't know what to tell you. Even if Noah gets some bonkers offer, Pau among others is still out there. We'll find a good fit.
Grant is a nice player, but all of a sudden I'm supposed to get hot and bothers because he raised his 3 PT % to 30? Come the fuck on.
if you think acquiring a broken down, declining player with one year on his contract is "filling a hole", I don't know what to tell you.
Rose put up 17 and 5 last year. on .470 from the field and .370 from 3 after the ASB. We started Jose Calderon. This isn't tough to figure out.
Will the NBA become uncapped soon?
NBA payroll now is a fucking joke with how many teams going over the cap to begin with. No cap means teams like NY, LA, Chicago, LAC will always have the best teams. They need to have a ceiling at some point. Teams were 20-30 million over the cap to begin with.
Grant is a nice player, but all of a sudden I'm supposed to get hot and bothers because he raised his 3 PT % to 30? Come the fuck on.
I reject the attitude that we had to fill a hole at PG this offseason. Notwithstanding Melo, we're rebuilding. It's roster whack-a-mole. Maybe you do that if you're much more competitive than us, but not as a 32 win team.
And in any event, Grant was at least a plausible plan, with JC as a backup. And Rolo WAS a hole filled at center (and frankly, is decently likely to be better than Rose this year). All for ~23 million this year, and 16-17 million going forward (or thereabouts -- I forget Grant's deal). Now we have one year of Rose for 20+ million and then we probably either commit to him (much riskier than Lopez, probably much much more costly) or let him walk for nothing. And a gaping hole at center.
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it's going to be easier to fill a hole at PG this offseason than a hole at C, I don't know what to tell you. Even if Noah gets some bonkers offer, Pau among others is still out there. We'll find a good fit.
Grant is a nice player, but all of a sudden I'm supposed to get hot and bothers because he raised his 3 PT % to 30? Come the fuck on.
if you think acquiring a broken down, declining player with one year on his contract is "filling a hole", I don't know what to tell you.
Rose put up 17 and 5 last year. on .470 from the field and .370 from 3 after the ASB. We started Jose Calderon. This isn't tough to figure out.
amazing how people continually set the bar so low around here. And when if/when Rose leaves as a free agent, there's that pesky hole again!
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it's going to be easier to fill a hole at PG this offseason than a hole at C, I don't know what to tell you. Even if Noah gets some bonkers offer, Pau among others is still out there. We'll find a good fit.
Grant is a nice player, but all of a sudden I'm supposed to get hot and bothers because he raised his 3 PT % to 30? Come the fuck on.
if you think acquiring a broken down, declining player with one year on his contract is "filling a hole", I don't know what to tell you.
Rose put up 17 and 5 last year. on .470 from the field and .370 from 3 after the ASB. We started Jose Calderon. This isn't tough to figure out.
amazing how people continually set the bar so low around here. And when if/when Rose leaves as a free agent, there's that pesky hole again!
With Grant and Calderon, the bar was already very low.
and all we gave up was fucking Sideshow Bob and Jerian Grant who people are all of a sudden way higher on now than when he was actually on our team?
and all we gave up was fucking Sideshow Bob and Jerian Grant who people are all of a sudden way higher on now than when he was actually on our team?
I think if you go back you'll see I've been massive a huge cheerleader for both of them.
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it's going to be easier to fill a hole at PG this offseason than a hole at C, I don't know what to tell you. Even if Noah gets some bonkers offer, Pau among others is still out there. We'll find a good fit.
Grant is a nice player, but all of a sudden I'm supposed to get hot and bothers because he raised his 3 PT % to 30? Come the fuck on.
if you think acquiring a broken down, declining player with one year on his contract is "filling a hole", I don't know what to tell you.
Rose put up 17 and 5 last year. on .470 from the field and .370 from 3 after the ASB. We started Jose Calderon. This isn't tough to figure out.
amazing how people continually set the bar so low around here. And when if/when Rose leaves as a free agent, there's that pesky hole again!
With Grant and Calderon, the bar was already very low.
if you feel that way, what does that say about who acquired both of them?
Probably the same who were pissed we threw in Timofy Mozgov in the Melo trade.
he could put up those numbers and be inefficient. He could put up those numbers over 20 games and then get hurt (again). Re-signing this guy to a big deal next summer is a terrifying prospect.
Anyone would love the best possible result. That's not a tough sell. What is there to say that he can be that, and what is there to say he can be available for 70-75 games at least.
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it's going to be easier to fill a hole at PG this offseason than a hole at C, I don't know what to tell you. Even if Noah gets some bonkers offer, Pau among others is still out there. We'll find a good fit.
Grant is a nice player, but all of a sudden I'm supposed to get hot and bothers because he raised his 3 PT % to 30? Come the fuck on.
if you think acquiring a broken down, declining player with one year on his contract is "filling a hole", I don't know what to tell you.
Rose put up 17 and 5 last year. on .470 from the field and .370 from 3 after the ASB. We started Jose Calderon. This isn't tough to figure out.
amazing how people continually set the bar so low around here. And when if/when Rose leaves as a free agent, there's that pesky hole again!
With Grant and Calderon, the bar was already very low.
if you feel that way, what does that say about who acquired both of them?
They wanted to be rid of Rose and had a ball-dominant 2 guard who is better when he's not there. This is a trade that can work for both teams. It's not necessarily a zero sum game. Not every trade has a definite winner and loser.
Probably the same who were pissed we threw in Timofy Mozgov in the Melo trade.
Being disappointed with a rookie's play is not equivalent to cutting bait. The book isn't closed on him because he wasn't an overnight success. We do this on the football side too, and it makes no sense. Draft pick doesn't pay dividends immediately, trade him for something shiny. It doesn't matter that that something shiny has limped through 39% of his games since initially getting hurt. It's new and shiny and I can hope for something awesome.
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When rose averages 17/7 this year, the detractors of the deal will beg for him to be resigned.
Anyone would love the best possible result. That's not a tough sell. What is there to say that he can be that, and what is there to say he can be available for 70-75 games at least.
He played 66 games last year, I don't think it's unreasonable for him to play 70+ games now that he is another year removed from knee surgery. As for the stats, he averaged 17 and 5 after the all-star break. Again, with more time away from surgery you would expect some improvement.
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When rose averages 17/7 this year, the detractors of the deal will beg for him to be resigned.
Anyone would love the best possible result. That's not a tough sell. What is there to say that he can be that, and what is there to say he can be available for 70-75 games at least.
He played 66 games last year, I don't think it's unreasonable for him to play 70+ games now that he is another year removed from knee surgery. As for the stats, he averaged 17 and 5 after the all-star break. Again, with more time away from surgery you would expect some improvement.
If it were one knee surgery, you can attempt to forecast. It wasn't. He had a torn ACL in one, and a twice-torn and repaired meniscus in the other. coming back from a procedure, but rather just staying in one piece.
At least we now have a shot at KD. This past Sunday we had no shot at him. Now we do.
by that measure, let's dump KP and Melo while we're at it. Who could we get for them? I wouldn't want Rose to be the only overpaid guy with questionable health on the roster. Maybe Bosh?
Not buying that shit.
For 120/4, it seems.
The point was Robin Lopez wasn't helping us with free agency. Derrick Rose might. Alan Hahn said KD had no interest meeting with us. Now he does. You have to take that chance.