| Adrian Wojnarowski: Sources: Wichita States Ron Baker has agreed to a partially guaranteed 1-year deal with the New York Knicks. Baker was undrafted tonight. |
Don't know much about the guy other than he looks like Ed Monix from Semi Pro.
Couples News and Notes;
Derrick Rose will be introduced tonight at MSG at 6pm
-Rose and Noah were in NY last night
-KD and Melo are working out together. (I know, I know)
-Hornacek and Phil pretty much say we still need a 2 and a 5. They don't want KP gaining too much weight. I'd imagine they don't have plans for a permanent center approach.
-Phil says he would like to have Rose longterm, but that's a discussion for another day.
The point was Robin Lopez wasn't helping us with free agency. Derrick Rose might. Alan Hahn said KD had no interest meeting with us. Now he does. You have to take that chance.
Pretty much this. You can apply the same logic to the summer of 2010. If Amare isn't here, Melo isn't forcing his way out of Denver to play with David Fucking Lee.
Star power. NY. Championships.
Probably the same who were pissed we threw in Timofy Mozgov in the Melo trade.
I've been saying precisely that forever. I said on Dec. 23:
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was a good interior defender and a good rebounder but lets not pretend that he's some world beater. He's replaceable.
For 120/4, it seems.
Maybe. We'll soon see what's noise and what isn't.
What we do know is that Noah is currently in NY partying with his boy D Rose.
I question how real that information is, but if it's real that's a no brainer.
Nope, still would want CP3
I would be on board with that.
Also very irrationally hyped for Rose.
At least we now have a shot at KD. This past Sunday we had no shot at him. Now we do.
The shit we should stop is that we have a "shot" at KD. Even if he gives us a meeting, we still don't have a shot. Kevin Durant is not staking his legacy on a Derrick Rose, a guy whose played 166 games since 2011. A guy who cant shoot, is not a great passer, cant play defense. Why in the fucking world would he leave OKC to come play with a 32 win team, who just lost its starting center and added a guy who was one of the worst starters in the league last year?
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But almost on every daily Knicks thread most of BBI was down on BBI. Now we're acting like he's Reggie Jackson who just needed a shot.
Probably the same who were pissed we threw in Timofy Mozgov in the Melo trade.
I've been saying precisely that forever. I said on Dec. 23:
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Grant's shot is not broken, it's just inconsistent. Get it consistent and he's Reggie Jackson (a player he was rightly compared to pre-draft). Jackson's shot didnt fall at first either. If KP eventually hits his potential (IMO, MVP candidate player), then a guy like Reggie Jackson is a huge piece. Look at the shit Dirk dragged to a Finals. A great defensive center and glorified roll players.
Well then.. I stand corrected with you. hah.
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Pistons are shopping him and have told him he will be dealt
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what are you trading for him?
Pistons are shopping him and have told him he will be dealt
And some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.
What are you trading for him (I ask again)?
Apologize for nothing.
MVP
MVP
MVP
Championship!!!
But this case simply isn't like the other times. There isn't 4 years left on a deal like with STAT and there was no 1st round pick like with everyone else (like Bargnani). If it doesn't work, the team can move on very quickly and pain-free.
Personally, I have zero expectations for Rose. I hope he plays well this season, but I wouldn't keep him beyond this season either way.
Knicks undrafted free agent agreements so far: Ron Baker from Wichita State and Marshall Plumlee from Duke.
Duke's Marshall Plumlee has agreed to a guaranteed undrafted free-agent deal with the New York Knicks, league sources tell The Vertical.
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But the pessimistic nature of fans is completely understandable.
But this case simply isn't like the other times. There isn't 4 years left on a deal like with STAT and there was no 1st round pick like with everyone else (like Bargnani). If it doesn't work, the team can move on very quickly and pain-free.
Personally, I have zero expectations for Rose. I hope he plays well this season, but I wouldn't keep him beyond this season either way.
Not being long term also caps the upside of the deal, severely. I'd like the deal more if he had 2 years on it.
And if the deal busts, it's not "pain-free". We gave up a starting center on a good deal and the #19 overall pick in last year's draft. Why is that such a difficult concept for people to understand? Some draft pick down the road would be pain, but Lopez and Grant are pain free?
Rose is a better defender than the "stats" say as well. Any PG would look pitiful when Gasol is your big in a pick and roll.
::ducks::
two things:
some posters above are urging that WH (Hernangomez) can come here and fill the 5 slot, really? Does he have the size, heft, talent, even potentially?
gotta say I agree with sgrcts, this:
Rose is a better defender than the "stats" say as well. Any PG would look pitiful when Gasol is your big in a pick and roll.
No you dumb fuck. Neither Calderon or Rose is any good. We gave up assets to get a not good, often injured player with no skills that will age well. Additionally, Rose is a ball dominant guard who shoots a lot and isn't good at the PNR so how does he benefit Porzingis?
Im ready for New York.
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is just mad that you downgraded at point guard from Calderon to Rose..... because some stupid stat says so. Forget the eye injury earlier in the year the affected his play.
Rose is a better defender than the "stats" say as well. Any PG would look pitiful when Gasol is your big in a pick and roll.
No you dumb fuck. Neither Calderon or Rose is any good. We gave up assets to get a not good, often injured player with no skills that will age well. Additionally, Rose is a ball dominant guard who shoots a lot and isn't good at the PNR so how does he benefit Porzingis?
Actually Gasol got a lot of open looks from PnR with Rose and buried a ton of mid range jumpers when he played in Chicago. And tell me who was as remotely good on Chicago that compares to Melo that he has played with in the past? He has never played with a scorer who can shoot like a Melo or even a Porz.
How would you know he is/was ball dominant? You watch more than 4-5 games of his career? He was ball dominant because he HAD to be ball dominant. Before Butler came on board.... his starting two guards were Keith Bogans, Kyle Korver, and washed out rip Hamilton. For how good Butler is/was, he wasnt a spot up shooter in the likes of what the Knicks have.
Holy fuck, I knew you were stupid..... but I didnt know you were this stupid.
Unless they're directed at Enzo.
Ignore all the facts about Rose's game, how Butlers #s are vastly better with Rose on the bench, whatever other info you want- dep026 says he's still got it!
Seriously though, tell us more about how Derrick Rose is a stud and we should be happy to have him! I cant remember which idiot it was, you or Chris R, who was trying to convince us(or more like yourselves) that Rose was going to jump HIGHER after his knee surgeries.
Ignore all the facts about Rose's game, how Butlers #s are vastly better with Rose on the bench, whatever other info you want- dep026 says he's still got it!
1. Never said he was a stud.... just said he could be a very productive player.
2. Never said that shit about him jumping higher after him injuring his knees.
So once again you are providing how fucking stupid you are because you make shit up as you go.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ratings.html
I maybe a simpleton, but here is the explanation of defensive/offensive ratings..... seems pretty advance to me when you need formulas and calculations to come up with how a player is performing.
You can show me all you want with Jimmy Butler's numbers without rose on the floor. Butler is an all-star player, a better player than rose right now. By the way....how good have the Bulls been since rose got hurt a few years ago? They win 1 playoff series without him? Against a massively ovverated Nets squad?
Keep bring the stupid sgrcts. Between you and radar, I dont know who is fucking dumber.
And if the deal busts, it's not "pain-free". We gave up a starting center on a good deal and the #19 overall pick in last year's draft. Why is that such a difficult concept for people to understand? Some draft pick down the road would be pain, but Lopez and Grant are pain free?
Grant literally showed nothing as a rookie. That's not a guarantee that he won't have some value at a later point, but he can't be an "asset" solely because he was the 19th pick in the previous draft. How many teams do you think would've traded a 1st rounder yesterday for Grant based on what they saw in 2015-2016? I think saying more than one is a stretch.
The starting center they gave up was replaced the previous season by Mason Plumlee/Meyers Leonard and there was no ensuing catastrophe. The starting center played as well as could be expected and the Knicks won 30 games with him.
As to that link- you must really be afraid of math or something, I don't know what to tell you. The stat is as simple to understand as any stat in sports, and Rose is awful by that, or basically any metric. Except dep026's eyes!!! championship!
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And if the deal busts, it's not "pain-free". We gave up a starting center on a good deal and the #19 overall pick in last year's draft. Why is that such a difficult concept for people to understand? Some draft pick down the road would be pain, but Lopez and Grant are pain free?
Grant literally showed nothing as a rookie. That's not a guarantee that he won't have some value at a later point, but he can't be an "asset" solely because he was the 19th pick in the previous draft. How many teams do you think would've traded a 1st rounder yesterday for Grant based on what they saw in 2015-2016? I think saying more than one is a stretch.
The starting center they gave up was replaced the previous season by Mason Plumlee/Meyers Leonard and there was no ensuing catastrophe. The starting center played as well as could be expected and the Knicks won 30 games with him.
How many teams? 10-15 I'd say after watching how little value teams were placing on non-lottery picks. You can say he "literally" showed nothing but you'd be literally wrong. In fact he showed he could get to the rim at will, he could defend, and better than any other guard he got people the ball in the right spot (a skill that shows up in the FG% stats of guys who took his passes). After the ASG, he shot 46.4%/30.4%/77.5% -- pretty respectable. Per 37 minutes (doubling his 18:27 post ASG mpg) he rated 15 points, 4.2 assists, 2.6 rebounds, 1.8 steals. Your point is "literally" dumb.
As for Rolo, Mason Plumlee is a good player. Where are we getting a Mason Plumlee this offseason without blowing the bank or trading an asset? Tell me the player and the compensation please.
As to that link- you must really be afraid of math or something, I don't know what to tell you. The stat is as simple to understand as any stat in sports, and Rose is awful by that, or basically any metric. Except dep026's eyes!!! championship!
You do realize when you go to each players rating... it's listed right under the category "advsnce" right?
I thought he was particularly impressive during the playoffs, especially as he stepped up into a distributor role against the Clips when LA effectively trapped POR's guards. In the playoffs Plumlee averaged (per 36): 9.1 points, 15.3 rebounds (matched against the great DeAndre), and a whopping 6.2 assists.
I'd love to have Mason Plumlee.
Maybe he's not elite but he came up big against the clippers. Sure, CP3 and BG went down but he went up against Jordan and put up 8, 12 and 6.
It's not all about going "small" it's about having a 5 that can make plays. Maybe Lopez wasn't exactly that but he averaged like 2-3 assists per game and knew how to play in an offense.
Oh whoops fucking forgot there were 3 of them. If that's the youngest one then yeah you're right.