NFT: Game of Thrones S6E10 "Winds of Winter" *BOOK SPOILERS OK*

You really think...
Chris in Philly : 12:56 pm : link : reply
they're going to introduce the Freys now?


widmerseyebrow : 1:03 pm : link : reply
Maybe not pie, but they're showing the Freys celebrating this episode. Why bother unless there's more to that story. Maybe the BoB is actually several thousand strong or they take the dozen guys we've seen and infiltrate the Twins like ninjas.


Chris: Jaime's next destination is the Twins.
Big Blue Blogger : 1:06 pm : link : reply
Seems weird, considering his hurry to get back to Cersei, but there it is. Keep in mind that the Frey Brothers didn't take Riverrun; Jaime did. That leaves a potential dispute between two families who were bound only by their anger at the Starks and their alliances of convenience with Roose Bolton.

Bronn seems to have a few thoughts on the situation too.


Are we expecting
Kyle in NY : 1:21 pm : link : reply
the conclusion of the tower of joy vision this week? That'd be a nice season finale event


Kyle in NY : 1:22 pm : link : reply
Based on the death pool odds it would seem so, nice.


RE: Chris: Jaime's next destination is the Twins.
moespree : 1:25 pm : link : reply
What's interesting about the photos you posted is in photo 2, Bronn is standing in the exact place where Walder Frey was sitting in photo 1. Walder doesn't move around all that much on his own....


The ninja in the house isn't Beric or Thoros or the Hound.
Big Blue Blogger : 1:27 pm : link : reply
If there's a ninja en route to the Twins, it might just be a pissed-off, faceless assassin capable of disguising herself as a Frey and summoning a small army of hungry wolves. I wonder if Arya's next face might belong to Walder's young wife. That would explain why they showed the poor girl a few episodes back. It could also account for Maisie Williams's remark that she was in the Season 6 preview more than most viewers probably realized.


I think the Freys live until next season
weeg in the bronx : 1:38 pm : link : reply
Ayra has to kill some of the people on her list and walder is on it. Same with Cersai so I think she lives. My money is on Tommen. Davos wacks the red witch too.


Is the hell horn
weeg in the bronx : 1:40 pm : link : reply
the one that can take down the wall?


There is no way Jon will allow
Shadow : 1:43 pm : link : reply
Melisandre to be harmed by Davos or anyone else. He may send her away for it.


RE: Is the hell horn
leatherneck570 : 1:44 pm : link : reply
the one that can take down the wall?

no. It can control dragons, however.


Cersei is going to burn the mall!
Andy in Halifax : 1:45 pm : link : reply
Or something like that... Can't wait!

I'd like to see Cersei as a main villain moving forward. I joke about her losing her shit but I hope any act of desperation we may see in the finale (assuming she wins as I suspect) isn't a rapid decent into madness. Desperate Cersei is a dangerous Cersei. A mad Cersei is a boring Cersei.


RE: The ninja in the house isn't Beric or Thoros or the Hound.
widmerseyebrow : 1:48 pm : link : reply

Man, that would be the ultimate teleport. The series could be over in 3 or 4 more episodes if Arya pulls that off sunday.


Closing scene:
widmerseyebrow : 1:51 pm : link : reply
Slow zoom out of Dany's fleet sailing the ocean with the Dragons soaring above.


Considerable time has elapsed between the last time we saw Arya
Andy in Halifax : 1:51 pm : link : reply
and after the battle of the bastards. Plenty of time for her to get on a boat and sail across the narrow sea and make her way to the Twins.


RE: Closing scene:
widmerseyebrow : 1:52 pm : link : reply

My guess that is.


Frey Pies would be fucking epic!
Andy in Halifax : 1:57 pm : link : reply
I hope that B Cubed prediction comes true, and then Arya slices off Walders head with needle. Pretty please?


Will the cliffhanger be a scene back at the Tower of Joy,
TheBigBlueOne : 2:01 pm : link : reply
where we see a young Ned use Ser Arthur Dayne's sword, Dawn, to give a c-section to his dying sister, Lyanna, thereby performing this baby's birth under a bleeding star? And the last line uttered will be, "I will name him Jon." End credits!


Widmerseyebrow: No need for Arya to teleport.
Big Blue Blogger : 2:02 pm : link : reply
Not sure I follow you there. It's only about a week's journey by boat from Braavos to the Twins. Arya is either traveling alone, or with the theater troupe (which seems more likely, as a means of infiltrating a castle on the day of a celebration). She can get there in roughly the time it will take the Lannister and Frey armies to secure their prisoners, garrison the castle, reprovision, break camp and travel east on the River Road then north on the Kingsroad to the Twins.


I still say Cersei decides to ignite the wildfire in the Sept
Ben in Tampa : 2:12 pm : link : reply
But Jamie, torn by his love of Cersei but overcome with Knight's honor, Queenslayers her and comes full circle.


I think the closing scene
Pete in 'Vliet : 2:12 pm : link : reply
will end up being the Walkers approaching the wall. Maybe they destroy it through magic, or just stare at it till end credits. But, I think the season ends with a very strong visualization that "Winter is Here"


RE: I still say Cersei decides to ignite the wildfire in the Sept
Pete in 'Vliet : 2:17 pm : link : reply
I think that last part happens next season. If Cersie does do what everyone thinks she is going to do. I think she escapes Kingslanding and runs into Jamie. When he learns what she did, he strangles her to complete the witches prophesy.


I think Cersei
UConn4523 : 2:35 pm : link : reply
survives this season. There needs to be a current villain for next season and a Cersei that just burned down the capital of the realm will open up a lot of scenarios. If Jamie is in fact the person who ends up killing her (I think so) it would make sense for that to happen next season and not rush that right now.


I keep hoping that certain book elements will turn up.
Big Blue Blogger : 2:37 pm : link : reply
It usually doesn't happen. The latest example is Nymeria's wolfpack. Arya's return to the Twins would be the perfect time to bring them in: while Arya avenges Robb and Catelyn, Nym avenges Grey Wind - and indirectly, Lady, Summer and Shaggydog. Plus, canines tearing out throats has been a recurring theme lately. I won't get my hopes up, though. Nymeria might be just another loose end that the show never bothers to tie up.

Speaking of the Stark direwolves, interesting insight from the director of E9: within the available CGI budget, the battle for Winterfell could feature either Ghost or the giant, but not both. Wun Wun won.


BBB
UConn4523 : 2:41 pm : link : reply
I read that as well about the episode 9 budget. Its a shame, watching Ghost tear shit up would have been awesome, but we needed Wun Wun as well. I wish the Vinyl cancellation came earlier and they stole the budget that way, haha.


I'm pretty interested by what happens in the North
moespree : 2:41 pm : link : reply
Littlefinger could take out Jon if he wanted. He's got mounted Vale knights at his disposal and Jon's army has been crushed, is beaten and tired. It'd be little contest. So where does Sansa fall into that? I assume she would not be okay with this happening, but it's just an assumption. I don't know where her character is headed. I do know with Arya reemerging in Westeros it would lead to a sister clash in season 7. Arya would go apeshit if LF and/or Sansa tried to harm Jon. I'm not convinced Sansa would willingly harm Jon. Though, LF would.


I was wondering where Ghost was
weeg in the bronx : 3:47 pm : link : reply
Agree Wun Wun was the better choice though

Good Show BBB.

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I'm a huge fan of the books but don't have HBO. I watched season 1 and I'll eventually watch the others. Does the storyline follow the books?

BTW, for those of you who enjoy audio books, GOT is as good as it gets. The narrator is Roy Dotrice and he brings the characters to life. If you have an Audible account check it out.

In comment 13008168 AP in Halfmoon said:

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I'm a huge fan of the books but don't have HBO. I watched season 1 and I'll eventually watch the others. Does the storyline follow the books? BTW, for those of you who enjoy audio books, GOT is as good as it gets. The narrator is Roy Dotrice and he brings the characters to life. If you have an Audible account check it out.

Yes and no. And at this point in the show, no. Don't really want to spoil it for you.

but has diverged more and more each season. I don't really feel like it is better or worse, just different due to the constraints of the medium.

I loved the books way before the show, so I will always have a bias in that direction.

The Wall was actually built to protect the White Walkers from Lyanna Mormont!

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So is which actors are on the episode cast list considered spoilers????

I guess there are times when casting provides such a big spoiler that you might think twice. That mostly comes up between seasons - for example, when Kit Harrington was seen on location for Season 6, suggesting that he wouldn't stay dead for long.

The cast list for an episode that airs tomorrow night seems like fair game to me. The list might not even be accurate. And once the cast is mentioned, everyone can draw any inferences they like.

To err on the side of courtesy, I'll post my observations regarding the cast list separately below.

Take these observations for what they are worth. HBO has been known to throw intentional red herrings into the episode cast lists on IMDB.

The Sand Snakes are back. Awesome!
...said absolutely no one, ever. No surprise here. Varys was last seen headed for Sunspear to negotiate on Dany's behalf. Now that the Mother of Dragons has a fleet, Dorne is the logical beachhead for her invasion of Westeros: it's on the way, and not only are the Sands sworn enemies of the Lannisters, they are also the leading Westerosi outpost of the Girl Power Revolution (though Lyanna Mormont is way awesomer).

The Hound and his new friends are in the house.
This could mean a lot, or very little. Maybe they are just heading North to begin the mission Thoros and Beric discussed two weeks ago. On the other hand, they will pass the Twins, and there could be some very tasty chicken at that feast Walder is hosting this week.

Bricks in the Wall: Bran, Meera, Benjen, Edd and the Night's King.
We knew Bran would have his third-eye groove on this week, which would account for everyone except Tollett. Edd's appearance suggests new developments at Castle Black. Considering how lightly the Wall is defended, that can't be good for Team Living.

Young Ned Stark and Howland Reed revisit the Tower of Joy.
"Promise me Ned..." The second worst-kept secret of Season 6 (after Jon's resurrection) has been that E10 would feature some sort of ToJ reveal. Let's hope it was worth the wait. Lyanna Stark isn't listed, but she's the kind of character HBO would withhold; and even if this is the full Lyanna reveal, we might never see her face - just her blood and her progeny.

No mummers, no Maisie.
Slight disappointment here, or possibly a fake-out. Since the actors don't know that their leading lady is dead, Arya could have borrowed Essie Davis's face and hitched a ride across the Narrow Sea. But nobody in the troupe has mentioned a Westerosi tour, and Arya appears to have access to boat-fare, so that scenario was never more than a theory. The big news would be Arya Stark sitting out a season finale - especially one with a high likelihood of dead Freys. Personally, I think this is BS, and we'll be seeing Arya, though we might not know it.

but I believe Tyrion will be the one who collects that debt.

Our Enemies are anyone who is not us!

For example last years episode 10 listed the actor who plays Benjen, Walder Frey and the Night King. None of which appeared. The list is not an official one or maintained by HBO so I don't how much you can read into IMDB pages to be honest. IMDB is much more wiki than anything else these days. User controlled content.

will be the next great Villain and have an answer for Danys Dragons.
Last scene episode 10 will be The wall being breached by the White Walkers.
Forget the Clegane Bowl the most anticipated match up is Dany and Yara!

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but I believe Tyrion will be the one who collects that debt. Our Enemies are anyone who is not us!

Did you read that on reddit too, idiot?

to kill her. Its in the book that the younger sibling does it according to Maggie the frog.

In comment 13008831 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 13008576 Shadow said: Quote: but I believe Tyrion will be the one who collects that debt. Our Enemies are anyone who is not us! Did you read that on reddit too, idiot?

Thought I was Cunt? now idiot?

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to kill her. Its in the book that the younger sibling does it according to Maggie the frog.

I really want Peter Dinklage to kill you.

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In comment 13008840 Shadow said: Quote: to kill her. Its in the book that the younger sibling does it according to Maggie the frog. I really want Peter Dinklage to kill you.

The half man is not enough Now the Hound or the Mountain.

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In comment 13008831 Chris in Philly said: Quote: In comment 13008576 Shadow said: Quote: but I believe Tyrion will be the one who collects that debt. Our Enemies are anyone who is not us! Did you read that on reddit too, idiot? Thought I was Cunt? now idiot?

Cunt. Idiot. Dupe. Troll. Zebra3. Douche. You wear many hats.

technically younger than Cersei?

I believe Cersei had a line in the books that they are so connected as twins that Jaime was holding onto her leg trying to pull her back into the womb. This obviously suggests Cersei was born first.

Show Jamie would ever kill Cersi. Maybe Book Jamie.

Now tyrion has a whole list of things he could kill her for going back to when he was a baby.

In comment 13008919 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 13008841 Shadow said: Quote: In comment 13008831 Chris in Philly said: Quote: In comment 13008576 Shadow said: Quote: but I believe Tyrion will be the one who collects that debt. Our Enemies are anyone who is not us! Did you read that on reddit too, idiot? Thought I was Cunt? now idiot? Cunt. Idiot. Dupe. Troll. Zebra3. Douche. You wear many hats.

Feel better now?
I don't think I ever insulted you.
Bad Show old man.

Lancel: 95%
Tommen: 90%
Edd: 85%
Cersei: 60%
Margaery and Loras: ??% (Oz's guess: one lives; one dies)
Littlefinger: 50%
Daario: 35%
Melisandre: 25%
Jaime: 20%
Jorah: 10%
Arya, Bran or Sansa: 5%

I think he's way too pessimistic about Cersei (or optimistic, depending on your point of view). Daario and Littlefinger are his dark-horse/out-of-the-blue picks. Edd's just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Game of Thrones Ep. 610: The Winds of Death Odds - ( New Window )

is most likely going to die eventually anyway from the grey scale, so they might find some honorable way to sacrifice him

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Lancel: 95% Tommen: 90% Edd: 85% Cersei: 60% Margaery and Loras: ??% (Oz's guess: one lives; one dies) Littlefinger: 50% Daario: 35% Melisandre: 25% Jaime: 20% Jorah: 10% Arya, Bran or Sansa: 5% I think he's way too pessimistic about Cersei (or optimistic, depending on your point of view). Daario and Littlefinger are his dark-horse/out-of-the-blue picks. Edd's just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Game of Thrones Ep. 610: The Winds of Death Odds - ( New Window )

No Walder Frey? I originally thought he was brought back to the series to die. So many of us on /r/asoiaf were speculating Red Wedding 2.0.

In comment 13009845 pjcas18 said:

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is most likely going to die eventually anyway from the grey scale, so they might find some honorable way to sacrifice him

Would it be ironic that he search for the cure took Ser Jorah back to Westeros, particularly the North, where he becomes the one man who can't be taken by the Others?

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No Walder Frey? I originally thought he was brought back to the series to die. So many of us on /r/asoiaf were speculating Red Wedding 2.0.

Oz seems to think Walder's time hasn't come yet, or maybe he just didn't think the old fart was worth mentioning.


The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right... and who is dead

as a final scene for the season even though it's a 1% chance of happening. I don't think we've seen Brienne and Pod since they started traveling back and they aren't exactly needed in Winterfell at this point. I think they bump into her on their travels.

Although I guess they could run into the Brotherhood without her instead. But let a man dream, damn it.

And we open with Cersei, Tommen and the Sparrow.

Good luck, Loras. You'll need it.

At least Pycelle got laid one last time

Loras, Margaery, Mace, Kevan, the High Sparrow and all the other sparrows. And Tommen as a bonus. Oops.

"Well, Father always promised, didn't he?"

"Tyrion Lannister, I name you hand of the Queen."

Woo hoo! Told ya!

Go Jaime.

Llyana mormont is the baddest bitch around!

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Llyana mormont is the baddest bitch around!

Her debut was fantastic, then she tops it with a Ramsey stare down, now she completely owns a meeting of the northern houses. Best character of the season.

...that he had to return to Meereen with the good news, then sail back to Westeros with the fleet. That would be fine, since the stories/locations are on different timelines. It seems to me, though, that keeping him in Dorne for Olenna's visit might have folded time a bit far. I see the narrative purpose: he has now secured not only Sunspear, but Highgarden as well.

Cersei and Jaime are now the only surviving Lannisters. After a chilly reunion, he might agree to make more blonde babies to carry on the family name, then strangle her in bed.

When Dany meets with Dario, he reports the ships are "almost ready" and the next time we see Varys it looks like they've already been underway for quite some time.

1. Loras swears off the big D. Check - for all the good it did him.
2. So does Daenerys (for now). Check.
3. Frey pies! Frey smoothies! Freyburgers! Frey Fries! Triple Chex.
4. Monkfries: Cersei chooses more violence... much more... maybe more than she intended. The check to end all checks.
5. T.o.J.: R + L = J + x. Solve for x. Check, but apparently x = 0 (sorry Meera).

The whole don't die on screen thing. Olenna said it later on, but maybe she doesn't know.

Great ep.

No negative repercussions for her. She is now and forever more, the Queen.

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No negative repercussions for her. She is now and forever more, the Queen.

Well Cersei's plans *always* work out in the short term; she's a hedonist and will always grab whatever she wants. She's utterly fucked overall. She already had Dorne against her and now she's squandered the one tenuous ally she might have had in the Tyrells. Where will the help come from? Riverrun and a headless House Frey who couldn't get out of their way in the first place (underrated lines from Jaime here burning Walder Frey lololol; many talk about Jaime's flawed character development, but other than his continued devotion to Cersei, he's actually shown himself to be an intelligent and cool-headed diplomat.) Littlefinger and the Vale won't be helping Cersei, especially once he sees the Reach and Dorne alliance. And lol the Starks.

I think the show overall has done a good job with Cersei; she's irredeemable and her own worst enemy.

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No negative repercussions for her. She is now and forever more, the Queen.

Well, she's Queen, but what are her assets? Zombie-Mountain, Qyburn, and a bunch of urchins. She can't even count on the Lannister army with Jaime at its head. Arrayed against her: Dorne, the Reach, and a very potent invading force led by three dragons. Not to mention Littlefinger's designs on the Iron Throne.

Cersei is toast. But who gets to finish her, Jaime or Arya?

I couldn't quite make out the first sentence, though "Targaryen" was in there. The rest was "Robert will kill him if he finds out. You know he will. You have to protect him. Promise me..."

"wildfire can't melt stone; the Sept of Baelor was an inside job."

King in the North has thrown a wrench into Littlefinger's plans. Had he married Sansa as Lady of Winterfell, he easily could have combined the forces of the North and the Vale and turned south. Jon won't be receptive to any of his plans, especially since his focus is on the impending invasion from the North. Wonder where Littlefinger goes next.

1. Frey pie is a nod to the book readers, but that was really shoehorned in. It was already enough of a stretch to teleport Arya there with no setup whatsoever. She said she was going home in her last scene in Braavos.

2. In the books Littlefinger's master plan is heading towards a curious and underwhelming climax considering the masterful moves he makes early on. It seems like the show put him in the only position he could wind up, but again it's really underwhelming in light of the cunning he's shown to date. All of that chaos in King's Landing thanks to him, improving lordships and lands, all for...a creepy, awkward marriage proposal to a girl who you rented out to a sadist and who's family you helped kill? Seems like a really stupid plan for a guy who gets by on his wit. Equally stupid is announcing your ambitions for the throne and trying to turn the same girl against the only family she has left.

3. They predictably glossed over the poor writing of Sansa's secret pact with the Vale. Why so secret? She apologized and it was vaguely hinted that she said nothing because she didn't trust Jon. Weak.

4. Lyanna Stark was not hot enough.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to analyze Lyanna's whispering for the next 10 months.

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5. T.o.J.: R + L = J + x. Solve for x. Check, but apparently x = 0 (sorry Meera).

Hopefully Meera is there to help Bran carry on the Stark name!

In comment 13010419 widmerseyebrow said:

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1. Frey pie is a nod to the book readers, but that was really shoehorned in. It was already enough of a stretch to teleport Arya there with no setup whatsoever. She said she was going home in her last scene in Braavos. 2. In the books Littlefinger's master plan is heading towards a curious and underwhelming climax considering the masterful moves he makes early on. It seems like the show put him in the only position he could wind up, but again it's really underwhelming in light of the cunning he's shown to date. All of that chaos in King's Landing thanks to him, improving lordships and lands, all for...a creepy, awkward marriage proposal to a girl who you rented out to a sadist and who's family you helped kill? Seems like a really stupid plan for a guy who gets by on his wit. Equally stupid is announcing your ambitions for the throne and trying to turn the same girl against the only family she has left. 3. They predictably glossed over the poor writing of Sansa's secret pact with the Vale. Why so secret? She apologized and it was vaguely hinted that she said nothing because she didn't trust Jon. Weak. 4. Lyanna Stark was not hot enough. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to analyze Lyanna's whispering for the next 10 months.

Any setup with Arya would have ruined the surprise. I liked it.

We dont know how much time passed between when she left and when she got to the twins. It had to be a decent amount of time considering jaime had packed up his army and returned from taking riverrun, right?

he laid the seeds in Sansa's head and now that Jon is named King of the North, how will Sansa respond? Will LF use this to manipulate her into seeking power for herself?

I had no problem with the Arya storyline, I thought it was well done. I think we all realize now that the individual storylines do not all take place simultaneously.

did Sansa respond when Jon snow talked about no longer keeping secrets? I don't recall if she did.

The way that timeline unfolded she had ample time to get to the twins.

I loved her revenge. Exactly what I wanted to see. Loved the episode overall, feel like we have most of the pieces in order for the ending. Littlefinger baffles me - don't know where he's headed but the North appears to be out of the game of thrones and he surely is not. Not sure where it leaves him. It was important to show Sansa no longer being manipulated by him, but I can't imagine he's just going to slink off to the Vale and wait out the wars.

Cool that Cersei is the main villain now - but unless she has some moves up her sleave, she's fucked. Several armies against her now. Unless something happens to deflect Daenerys' troops she's fucked. Perhaps the simple answer is the correct one, Cersei isn't long for the throne and Daenerys will run her over. Though Euron and Littlefinger would seem to be the only wrenches to that end.

Sort out the South and then deal with the dead?

I think my initial guess of who dies in the end may be wrong. I thought Daenerys was going to help beat the white walkers but die in the battle (I thought her vision of seeing Drogo after she crossed the wall was forshadowing her death), but it now seems they are setting her up to be the ruler that makes Westeros better.

I still predict a change after the war to a collaborative form of gov't, perhaps with several independent regions working together like the UK, but they are moving Dany to be the person to lead that change. I think Jon will be the one to lead the battle against the dead but will die a hero. Jon did have his experience at the Wall where he made largely noble decisions for the greater good but was wasted on the likes at the Wall but his story seems more tragic than Dany's.

In comment 13010419 widmerseyebrow said:

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1. Frey pie is a nod to the book readers, but that was really shoehorned in. It was already enough of a stretch to teleport Arya there with no setup whatsoever. She said she was going home in her last scene in Braavos. 2. In the books Littlefinger's master plan is heading towards a curious and underwhelming climax considering the masterful moves he makes early on. It seems like the show put him in the only position he could wind up, but again it's really underwhelming in light of the cunning he's shown to date. All of that chaos in King's Landing thanks to him, improving lordships and lands, all for...a creepy, awkward marriage proposal to a girl who you rented out to a sadist and who's family you helped kill? Seems like a really stupid plan for a guy who gets by on his wit. Equally stupid is announcing your ambitions for the throne and trying to turn the same girl against the only family she has left. 3. They predictably glossed over the poor writing of Sansa's secret pact with the Vale. Why so secret? She apologized and it was vaguely hinted that she said nothing because she didn't trust Jon. Weak. 4. Lyanna Stark was not hot enough. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to analyze Lyanna's whispering for the next 10 months.

Lyanna's not hot (certainly not Helen of Troy hot) was my first thought too. But then again, nobody on the show is as hot as they are reputed to be based on the books (e.g.; Catelyn, Cercei).

I don't care too much about the timeline other than the awkwardness of, you have to specifically stop and tell yourself to suspend disbelief. I put that off to being television just can't do justice to the same things that books can. Which is why movies are invariably not as good as the book for pretty much anything.

The one thing I didn't care for is that killing virtually everyone in the sept is a book thing. "We have too many characters to pay and follow; lets just get rid of them all". I can see a couple being offed in the book, but not all in one fell swoop. It's 100% an expedience thing and not a narrative thing. Now, I wonder if that will drive the book or whether it will be a divergent path.

If it's the last, I think that they may have to rush things even more for the WW to be the focus, which they have to be. Which means that they have to deal with King's landing fairly quickly. Also, I don't think that the North is out of it quite yet. Jon almost certainly has to go south to go north. He has to rope Danys into the fight.

but I knew that Tomman was going to Louganis because of them and right before it happened I figured that the spoilers actually were for real.

I will be pissed forever.

with Arya teleporting but not the queen of thorns who seemingly in a day finds out what happened in KL and then shows up in Dorne. Not that they're all that far from each other on a scaled down map, but traveling isn't easy. And you have no idea how much times has passed.

and it's make believe.

I know she's brash, but I was surprised the sand snakes allowed her to be so brash. It's not like she can fight like they can. And how much Tyrell army is even left?

I think it comes down to Cersei and Daenerys and Tyrion kills Cersei.

So who is Daenerys third husband? Are there odds?


Jon Snow?
Littlefinger?
Jamie Lannister?
Aegon/Young Griff?
Daario?
Tyrion?
Other?
Asha/Yara?

Makes sense. And she would definitely be "blonde enough" for him...

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Makes sense. And she would definitely be "blonde enough" for him...

I'd be pretty shocked if Jaime gets a "happily ever after". To me this is setting up for him to betray his sister. After all, she pretty much did what he killed Aerys for threatening to do.

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but I knew that Tomman was going to Louganis because of them and right before it happened I figured that the spoilers actually were for real.

Shadow posted them all, and claimed they were "his spoilers" based on what he thinks will happen. He should be banned from these threads/BBI.

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In comment 13010498 leatherneck570 said: Quote: Makes sense. And she would definitely be "blonde enough" for him... I'd be pretty shocked if Jaime gets a "happily ever after". To me this is setting up for him to betray his sister. After all, she pretty much did what he killed Aerys for threatening to do.

I think Jamie would normally forgive Cersei for this, as many of the intended targets were their direct enemies but the Tommen thing really makes it unforgivable.

He did say "Fuck everyone who isn't us." Unfortunately, Tommen was part of the collateral damage.

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In comment 13010498 leatherneck570 said: Quote: Makes sense. And she would definitely be "blonde enough" for him... I'd be pretty shocked if Jaime gets a "happily ever after". To me this is setting up for him to betray his sister. After all, she pretty much did what he killed Aerys for threatening to do.

I agree that Jaime cross his sister. Not sure there is a happily every after for anyone at this point. If you think their will be, you haven't been paying attention. Everyone is damaged goods.

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Brett. But he's really the only one.

(and now the show writers) are trying to send a message that women shouldn't be f-ed with.

almost all the strongest characters in the book are women:
Daenerys
Cersei
Arya
Sand Snakes
Queen of thorns
Asha/Yara
Brienne
Melisandre
Catelyn/LSH
Meera
even Sansa is showing some cunning
Gilly has her moments standing up Lord Tarwell
Margaery
Ygritte

the males you have some sure, like Jon Snow, Littlefinger or Jamie or Tyrion, but they're all more flawed or weaker than the females.

I can conceivably see a scenario with the entire realm is lead by women. Until the white walkers and their wights come to get everyone.

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(and now the show writers) are trying to send a message that women shouldn't be f-ed with. almost all the strongest characters in the book are women: Daenerys Cersei Arya Sand Snakes Queen of thorns Asha/Yara Brienne Melisandre Catelyn/LSH Meera even Sansa is showing some cunning Gilly has her moments standing up Lord Tarwell Margaery Ygritte the males you have some sure, like Jon Snow, Littlefinger or Jamie or Tyrion, but they're all more flawed or weaker than the females. I can conceivably see a scenario with the entire realm is lead by women. Until the white walkers and their wights come to get everyone.

Aren't you forgetting someone?

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Absolutely, lady mormont. i'm probably forgetting someone else too.

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Someone with a much prettier face.

did they do phenomenal job with the music that episode. It was such a perfect compliment to everything else taking place.

Long live Lady Mormont for real.

best part of the episode IMO. Still not entirely sure what to think of it as a whole. As cool as the wildfire scene looked, the children of the corn buildup and just killing every single problem all at once just seems far too convenient. It was executed well on screen, I just seems like the easy way out for both the writers and Cersei. I admit this season has left me pretty jaded as I'm constantly wondering "what could have been", but it was an excellent episode nonetheless.

I expect them to leave together - and soon.

Another option is to keep Jaime around to wield Widow's Wail in the war to come. (Can't waste a Valyrian steel blade, and the relatively light weight might help him fight with his weaker hand.) I think their are better candidates: Tyrion is the obvious one, or possibly Pod - reuniting the two halves of Ice as Pod and Brienne fight shoulder to shoulder.

Or love?

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Or love?

I'm all in on Team Love.

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I expect them to leave together - and soon. Another option is to keep Jaime around to wield Widow's Wail in the war to come. (Can't waste a Valyrian steel blade, and the relatively light weight might help him fight with his weaker hand.) I think their are better candidates: Tyrion is the obvious one, or possibly Pod - reuniting the two halves of Ice as Pod and Brienne fight shoulder to shoulder.

I think Jamie will end up dying a heroic death in the war to come. Maybe even saving Bran to come full circle. They took a long time to get to his turn from Cersei, but now that he's there, they can push his redemption much further...

re: the wildfire terrorism since the little urchins with daggers are Varys's minions in the books, if I'm not mistaken...can't imagine he'd be down with the plan to detonate all that shit and kill thousands of people, destroy the Sept of Baelor, etc...

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re: the wildfire terrorism since the little urchins with daggers are Varys's minions in the books, if I'm not mistaken...can't imagine he'd be down with the plan to detonate all that shit and kill thousands of people, destroy the Sept of Baelor, etc...

I have come to accept that he'll never finish the books..

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According to Littlefinger's firsthand account, Rhaegar loved Lyanna, even embarrassed his wife in a public setting while honoring Lyanna after a tournament. Depending on who's account you believe, Rhaegar either was obsessed with her to the point of kidnapping her, or they had a secret love affair.

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best part of the episode IMO.... It was executed well on screen, I just seems like the easy way out for both the writers and Cersei.

Easy way out? She is completely screwed. Once Tommen turned on her, she had few options, and they were all bad. She chose the path of pure evil that lets her go out on top, but she knows the last piece of the prophesy is about to be fulfilled.

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re: the wildfire terrorism since the little urchins with daggers are Varys's minions in the books, if I'm not mistaken...can't imagine he'd be down with the plan to detonate all that shit and kill thousands of people, destroy the Sept of Baelor, etc...

They became dr frankenmountain's little birds when he left

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He did say "Fuck everyone who isn't us." Unfortunately, Tommen was part of the collateral damage.

Sure, but he was looking at her like "WTF".

where he interacted with them and bought them food and sweets.

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Ser Barristan the Bold would not have spoken in such glowing terms about Rhaegar if he was a rapist and a kidnapper.

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UConn4523 said: Quote: best part of the episode IMO.... It was executed well on screen, I just seems like the easy way out for both the writers and Cersei. Easy way out? She is completely screwed. Once Tommen turned on her, she had few options, and they were all bad. She chose the path of pure evil that lets her go out on top, but she knows the last piece of the prophesy is about to be fulfilled.

She was always screwed, so I wasn't surprised at all by what she did. I'm rooting for the prophesy to be debunked and that somehow she survives. I'm 99% sure this won't happen, but I'd really love a curveball before the show is over.

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If it were rape, Ned would hate Rhaegar more than Robert does. Yet in the books, Ned visited a brothel to do some detective work, he thought Rhaegar would not likely be the type of guy who would visit brothels. Ned thinking the alleged rapist of his sister to have honor? No. Jon is a child of love.

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In comment 13010636 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 13010618 ron mexico said: Quote: Or love? According to Littlefinger's firsthand account, Rhaegar loved Lyanna, even embarrassed his wife in a public setting while honoring Lyanna after a tournament. Depending on who's account you believe, Rhaegar either was obsessed with her to the point of kidnapping her, or they had a secret love affair. Ser Barristan the Bold would not have spoken in such glowing terms about Rhaegar if he was a rapist and a kidnapper.

True. And everything about Rhaegar suggests he was popular and respected among the people and the nobles. Robert believed Lyanna was taken from him against her will, but he was madly in love with Lyanna, even to the point of self-destructive behavior, so he might just be framing things his way. Of course he thinks he and Lyanna were meant to be together. Maybe Lyanna just loved someone else, who happened to be married. It would be a pretty classic love story.

The thought of what happened to Septa Unella may take the cake. If you needed a way to cement Cersei's heel status... that sure helped. Not that anyone liked Unella but that's a fate much worse than anyone deserves.

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The thought of what happened to Septa Unella may take the cake. If you needed a way to cement Cersei's heel status... that sure helped. Not that anyone liked Unella but that's a fate much worse than anyone deserves.

Shame! Shame!

Cersei enjoyed that so damn much

As for Rhaegar/Lyanna, all the big signs and reveals suggest that this was love. Rape/kidnapping was made up to protect the bastard.

or can he take the Stark name just by being recognized as King in the North?

I thought I heard "his name is" and, of course, "promise me Ned" but there was more said. Was anyone able to grasp it?

...Aerys could have legitimized him by royal decree. There's also the possibility of a secret wedding, but that seems like a shot in the dark.

There is likely much more to the Rhaegar/Lyanna union than obsession, love or rape. Baelish only scratched the surface of that back-story when he told Sansa about the Tourney at Harrenhal. We might have to wait for either a prequel movie or the seventh book to get the details. The TV show doesn't need that stuff, not that the showrunners have established R+L=J.

BTW, I'm not sure legitimacy really counts for much at this point. By what order of succession is Cersei's claim to the throne legitimate? She was queen mother, but the royal line is Baratheon, not Lannister.

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I thought I heard "his name is" and, of course, "promise me Ned" but there was more said. Was anyone able to grasp it?

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"His name is [audio cuts out]. If Robert finds out, he'll kill him, you know he will. You have to protect him. Promise me, Ned."

Even if he makes it to winterfell is he going to convince everyone by saying that a tree told him? I assume/hope Howland Reed would still need to back it up.

Lyanna's words were "Robert will kill him, you know he will."

His Targaryen name was never audible.

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Even if he makes it to winterfell is he going to convince everyone by saying that a tree told him? I assume/hope Howland Reed would still need to back it up.

Varys knows. People underestimate Littlefinger, but man Varys is the puppet master.

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I thought I heard "his name is" and, of course, "promise me Ned" but there was more said. Was anyone able to grasp it?

I re-watched the scene after cranking the volume to 100. What I got was:

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His name is (inaudible) Targaryen. Robert will kill him if he finds out. You know he will. You have to protect him. Promise me...

There are a few variations on Watchers on the Wall and elsewhere, but they all have basically the same stuff.

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In comment 13010618 ron mexico said: Quote: Or love? If it were rape, Ned would hate Rhaegar more than Robert does. Yet in the books, Ned visited a brothel to do some detective work, he thought Rhaegar would not likely be the type of guy who would visit brothels. Ned thinking the alleged rapist of his sister to have honor? No. Jon is a child of love.

He was looking for a true heir to Robert as he knew none of Cerci's offspring were his. It had nothing to do with Rhaegar

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Andy in Halifax said: Quote: I thought I heard "his name is" and, of course, "promise me Ned" but there was more said. Was anyone able to grasp it? I re-watched the scene after cranking the volume to 100. What I got was: Quote: His name is (inaudible) Targaryen. Robert will kill him if he finds out. You know he will. You have to protect him. Promise me... There are a few variations on Watchers on the Wall and elsewhere, but they all have basically the same stuff.

Hopefully it's not "Jon Targaryon". That would seem out of place.

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...Aerys could have legitimized him by royal decree. There's also the possibility of a secret wedding, but that seems like a shot in the dark. There is likely much more to the Rhaegar/Lyanna union than obsession, love or rape. Baelish only scratched the surface of that back-story when he told Sansa about the Tourney at Harrenhal. We might have to wait for either a prequel movie or the seventh book to get the details. The TV show doesn't need that stuff, not that the showrunners have established R+L=J. BTW, I'm not sure legitimacy really counts for much at this point. By what order of succession is Cersei's claim to the throne legitimate? She was queen mother, but the royal line is Baratheon, not Lannister.

I think that Cercei's legitimacy is the same as for the first Targaryon or Robert Baratheon. She's got the biggest dick army.

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In comment 13010670 TheBigBlueOne said: Quote: In comment 13010618 ron mexico said: Quote: Or love? If it were rape, Ned would hate Rhaegar more than Robert does. Yet in the books, Ned visited a brothel to do some detective work, he thought Rhaegar would not likely be the type of guy who would visit brothels. Ned thinking the alleged rapist of his sister to have honor? No. Jon is a child of love. He was looking for a true heir to Robert as he knew none of Cerci's offspring were his. It had nothing to do with Rhaegar

I poorly worded that. While Ned was in the brothel looking at a bastard of Robert's, he had a thought of "would Rhaegar be found in a brothel? Somehow Ned thought it unlikely." Or something to that effect. So Ned thinks Rhaegar has honor, which is not how one would think of the rapist of one's sister.

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In comment 13010759 Big Blue Blogger said: Quote: Andy in Halifax said: Quote: I thought I heard "his name is" and, of course, "promise me Ned" but there was more said. Was anyone able to grasp it? I re-watched the scene after cranking the volume to 100. What I got was: Quote: His name is (inaudible) Targaryen. Robert will kill him if he finds out. You know he will. You have to protect him. Promise me... There are a few variations on Watchers on the Wall and elsewhere, but they all have basically the same stuff. Hopefully it's not "Jon Targaryon". That would seem out of place.

Rhaegar wouldn't have named his kid Jon either. More likely Jon is the name Ned gave him. Makes the cover story more plausible. Ned's closest friend and ally was Jon Arryn of the Vale.

I missed that. But if so, that has to mean there is some sort of documented evidence of what happened somewhere. They wouldn't just throw that it in without the ability to prove it. Whether it be a letter or something, there must be something. My guess, and it's only a guess, whatever it is, is in that Citadel library.

It all makes now if you think about it. Sam becomes Jon's best friend, Sam is made a character or likes to read and investigate, Sam winds up at the biggest library with all this historical evidence at his fingertips. I mean, is it really all a coincidence?

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In comment 13010790 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 13010766 Bill L said: Quote: In comment 13010759 Big Blue Blogger said: Quote: Andy in Halifax said: Quote: I thought I heard "his name is" and, of course, "promise me Ned" but there was more said. Was anyone able to grasp it? I re-watched the scene after cranking the volume to 100. What I got was: Quote: His name is (inaudible) Targaryen. Robert will kill him if he finds out. You know he will. You have to protect him. Promise me... There are a few variations on Watchers on the Wall and elsewhere, but they all have basically the same stuff. Hopefully it's not "Jon Targaryon". That would seem out of place. Rhaegar wouldn't have named his kid Jon either. More likely Jon is the name Ned gave him. Makes the cover story more plausible. Ned's closest friend and ally was Jon Arryn of the Vale.

I agree in theory, but Rhaegar wasn't at the TOJ when Jon was born, so it's very possible/likely Lyanna named him, not Rhaegar.

Since Rhaegar not being there for the birth had no idea it was a son not a daughter. of course it's possible the two had spoken and had names picked out, but I don't think you can reach that conclusion.

The Northern Lords think Jon is the son of Eddard Stark. They have re-pledge their loyalties to the Starks of Winterfell, they hailed him as their Savior, and named Jon Snow as their King. In the eyes of the Northern Lords, Jon is the Stark Lord. To the rest of Westeros however, he is still a bastard. Until he conquers them.

Look at Daenarys' rise to power. The Dothraki would never follow a woman to war or anything, until Dany proved she is something beyond mortal. Then she rode a dragon, showing more power than anyone alive has seen. They don't give a fuck that she's Valyrian, or Targaryen, or a 5ft tall woman who can't make facial expressions. She can't be burnt, she rides a dragon, she owns two more dragons, she defeated the Slavers. That's all the people needed to declare for her.

I don't anticipate she will be okay with the North being it's own kingdom and I don't anticipate he will kneel to her. The fact she's ditching Daario and talking up "political marriages" makes it seem too obvious. But they will need to unite for the Long Night. And Tyrion knows both. Seems too obvious though...

I read on the whisper is that they hid Jon's real Targ name just to prevent confusion among those unfamiliar with the backstory. Makes sense...

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I don't anticipate she will be okay with the North being it's own kingdom and I don't anticipate he will kneel to her. The fact she's ditching Daario and talking up "political marriages" makes it seem too obvious. But they will need to unite for the Long Night. And Tyrion knows both. Seems too obvious though...

I think the Iron Throne is largely irrelevant in the end game. Its about the final war, and Jon/Dany/Tyrion likely won't all survive it...

But she doesn't know that yet. She thinks she's coming for the throne and she'll have Northern territory who will dismiss her and have their own king. At least until everyone is convinced it's irrelevant and they need to band together for survival I imagine it will cause tension. I do think Tyrion will be the link. It makes sense to me. There must be some point for him traveling with and befriending Jon Snow in book 1.

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I don't anticipate she will be okay with the North being it's own kingdom and I don't anticipate he will kneel to her.

I think as long as Jon pledges fealty, she'd be okay with it. She just granted the Iron Islands their independence and told Tyrion that others are welcome to ask her, first.

and solve Jon's zombie army problem, maybe he will bend the knee to her.

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Dragons would make short work of the white walkers, no?

Looks more and more like Daenerys, Jon and Tyrion. Yara shows promise, but like Arya and Sam she's probably more a keen instrument of prophesy than its focus. I also think Euron might take Yara down with him when he goes.

Even if the Walkers are vanquished, the world still requires balance. It's not a coincidence that Dany's primary weapon is Fire, and Jon's is Ice.

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It will end up being a representative democracy. Book it

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Dragons would make short work of the white walkers, no?

Not necessarily. So far, I don't think fire has been very effective against the White Walkers themselves. The options there seem to be Valyrian Steel and Dragonglass. The dragons' main value might be leveling the playing field by torching the endless waves of wights, who comprise the bulk of the Others' forces. They also provide air cover, which is sort of a game-changer in medieval warfare (where nobody had it).

I didn't hit on the Wall falling but no one is perfect.

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I didn't hit on the Wall falling but no one is perfect.

Your "predictions" were show spoilers copies from Reddit. Go away, troll...

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I didn't hit on the Wall falling but no one is perfect.

You're a stain

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ron mexico said: Quote: Dragons would make short work of the white walkers, no? Not necessarily. So far, I don't think fire has been very effective against the White Walkers themselves. The options there seem to be Valyrian Steel and Dragonglass. The dragons' main value might be leveling the playing field by torching the endless waves of wights, who comprise the bulk of the Others' forces. They also provide air cover, which is sort of a game-changer in medieval warfare (where nobody had it).

There are ice dragons too in the GRRM universe. Not sure how or if they will come into play here though.

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ron mexico said: Quote: Dragons would make short work of the white walkers, no? Not necessarily. So far, I don't think fire has been very effective against the White Walkers themselves. The options there seem to be Valyrian Steel and Dragonglass. The dragons' main value might be leveling the playing field by torching the endless waves of wights, who comprise the bulk of the Others' forces. They also provide air cover, which is sort of a game-changer in medieval warfare (where nobody had it).

Plus, I assume dragons can be killed too. Haven't seen anything kill them yet, but there are only three left (for now) and I haven't heard what happened to all the others but before Daenerys three were hatched they were thought to be extinct.

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In comment 13010968 Big Blue Blogger said: Quote: ron mexico said: Quote: Dragons would make short work of the white walkers, no? Not necessarily. So far, I don't think fire has been very effective against the White Walkers themselves. The options there seem to be Valyrian Steel and Dragonglass. The dragons' main value might be leveling the playing field by torching the endless waves of wights, who comprise the bulk of the Others' forces. They also provide air cover, which is sort of a game-changer in medieval warfare (where nobody had it). There are ice dragons too in the GRRM universe. Not sure how or if they will come into play here though.

I can't see them bringing in ice dragons at this point. I do wonder how Dany's Dragons will fair in the cold, however.

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I didn't hit on the Wall falling but no one is perfect.

Ah don't worry, nobody actually believes those were your predictions.

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Well, there's a lot left to see north of the wall. I would say there's some room for it. You don't have to introduce them much more than showing the ice king doing some crazy ice king stuff. Then you can have combat in the air and on the ground.

Procreate ? Are any female? More dragons for future wars?

your spoiler reddit predictions were awesome.

Said magic was used to fortify the Wall against the dead. The mark on Brans wrist will be the undoing of the Wall. Like the cave once he passes it the nights watch is toast.

You should have been a blowjob.

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You should have been a blowjob.

That joke is older than the Wall.

How about this Sansa will betray Jon with in next season and becomes a pawn. in the game. Little finger is not done was her. It will come down to Jon's reveal as a Targ.

is confirmed on reddit before commenting

you should actually kill yourself

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you should actually kill yourself

Wishing death apron someone
Even in jest..
Is very bad karma for oneself. Not to mention sad.

Damm phone

just a recommendation

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Really can you stop? It's been a good thread so far and it seems mean spirited and childish to try and ruin things for the rest of us.

I wonder how Bran could prove Jon's lineage, since he'd likely be seen as a deranged cripple by most nobles. One plausible scenario would involve Meera's father.

Hell horn being in Eurons hands too. Although that would take out the Dragon advantage.

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Howland Reed's appearance would be key there, right.

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In comment 13011145 Ash_3 said: Quote: In comment 13011133 Shadow said: Quote: In comment 13011121 GMenLTS said: Quote: you should actually kill yourself Wishing death apron someone Even in jest.. Is very bad karma for oneself. Not to mention sad. Really can you stop? It's been a good thread so far and it seems mean spirited and childish to try and ruin things for the rest of us. I wonder how Bran could prove Jon's lineage, since he'd likely be seen as a deranged cripple by most nobles. One plausible scenario would involve Meera's father. Howland Reed's appearance would be key there, right.

Or Sam with all those books and scrolls. He may find writings from or about Rhaegar, marriage certificate, or something. Seems he is there to find out some kind of lost information.

is realizing we have 10 months before GOT comes back and potentially 7 - 10 episodes (13 tops) before the show ends.

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In comment 13011151 Chris in Philly said: Quote: In comment 13011145 Ash_3 said: Quote: In comment 13011133 Shadow said: Quote: In comment 13011121 GMenLTS said: Quote: you should actually kill yourself Wishing death apron someone Even in jest.. Is very bad karma for oneself. Not to mention sad. Really can you stop? It's been a good thread so far and it seems mean spirited and childish to try and ruin things for the rest of us. I wonder how Bran could prove Jon's lineage, since he'd likely be seen as a deranged cripple by most nobles. One plausible scenario would involve Meera's father. Howland Reed's appearance would be key there, right. Or Sam with all those books and scrolls. He may find writings from or about Rhaegar, marriage certificate, or something. Seems he is there to find out some kind of lost information.

Didn't sound like the citadel was the most current or accurate with their records. Just from that one brief interaction sam had with the receptionist or whatever he was. though i did think about this too, but it was more like Sam would come up with a way to defeat the white walkers and their wights that's more scalable than the 5 valyrian steel swords in the seven kingdoms.

maybe a way to quickly create obsidian/dragon glass or just a simple way to defeat them based on historical records.

Get it on with her Nephew Jon? Targs keep it in the family.
How will Jon feel knowing the Mad King was his Grandfather and what he did to the Starks who raised him? How will Sansa react to it?
Their is no way the King of the North is a Targ? You think Baelish won't use that?
The White Wolf is really a Dragon. Jon did a lot of moping around this season imagine next season when he finds out who he really is

Is he the prince that was promised ?

the answers to each from Reddit?

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Get it on with her Nephew Jon? Targs keep it in the family. How will Jon feel knowing the Mad King was his Grandfather and what he did to the Starks who raised him? How will Sansa react to it? Their is no way the King of the North is a Targ? You think Baelish won't use that? The White Wolf is really a Dragon. Jon did a lot of moping around this season imagine next season when he finds out who he really is Is he the prince that was promised ?

You're a fucking weirdo...

In comment 13011228 Shadow said:

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Get it on with her Nephew Jon? Targs keep it in the family. How will Jon feel knowing the Mad King was his Grandfather and what he did to the Starks who raised him? How will Sansa react to it? Their is no way the King of the North is a Targ? You think Baelish won't use that? The White Wolf is really a Dragon. Jon did a lot of moping around this season imagine next season when he finds out who he really is Is he the prince that was promised ?

This is not how you win your father's approval.

In comment 13011305 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 13011228 Shadow said: Quote: Get it on with her Nephew Jon? Targs keep it in the family. How will Jon feel knowing the Mad King was his Grandfather and what he did to the Starks who raised him? How will Sansa react to it? Their is no way the King of the North is a Targ? You think Baelish won't use that? The White Wolf is really a Dragon. Jon did a lot of moping around this season imagine next season when he finds out who he really is Is he the prince that was promised ? You're a fucking weirdo...

Too much psychological tempering by the Man when shadow was in the secret world of spies.

In comment 13011228 Shadow said:

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Get it on with her Nephew Jon? Targs keep it in the family. How will Jon feel knowing the Mad King was his Grandfather and what he did to the Starks who raised him? How will Sansa react to it? Their is no way the King of the North is a Targ? You think Baelish won't use that? The White Wolf is really a Dragon. Jon did a lot of moping around this season imagine next season when he finds out who he really is Is he the prince that was promised ?

Jon is a Targaryen and Stark.

In comment 13011220 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13011175 Amtoft said: Quote: In comment 13011151 Chris in Philly said: Quote: In comment 13011145 Ash_3 said: Quote: In comment 13011133 Shadow said: Quote: In comment 13011121 GMenLTS said: Quote: you should actually kill yourself Wishing death apron someone Even in jest.. Is very bad karma for oneself. Not to mention sad. Really can you stop? It's been a good thread so far and it seems mean spirited and childish to try and ruin things for the rest of us. I wonder how Bran could prove Jon's lineage, since he'd likely be seen as a deranged cripple by most nobles. One plausible scenario would involve Meera's father. Howland Reed's appearance would be key there, right. Or Sam with all those books and scrolls. He may find writings from or about Rhaegar, marriage certificate, or something. Seems he is there to find out some kind of lost information. Didn't sound like the citadel was the most current or accurate with their records. Just from that one brief interaction sam had with the receptionist or whatever he was. though i did think about this too, but it was more like Sam would come up with a way to defeat the white walkers and their wights that's more scalable than the 5 valyrian steel swords in the seven kingdoms. maybe a way to quickly create obsidian/dragon glass or just a simple way to defeat them based on historical records.

I mean maybe, but what else do you need to know. Valyrian steel, dragon glass which they have a ton of at dragon stone, fire for the wights, etc... What more do you really need to know to beat them.

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Didn't sound like the citadel was the most current or accurate with their records. Just from that one brief interaction sam had with the receptionist or whatever he was. though i did think about this too, but it was more like Sam would come up with a way to defeat the white walkers and their wights that's more scalable than the 5 valyrian steel swords in the seven kingdoms. maybe a way to quickly create obsidian/dragon glass or just a simple way to defeat them based on historical records.

The thing about the Citadel is that it's all there. The problem is that after accumulating knowledge for 8000 years, and with no computers, you end up with more library bureaucracy - like the jerk at the front desk - and corrupt dead weight like Pycelle, than actual wisdom. The Citadel has all the trees, but too few Maesters like Aemon who can see the forest. (Maybe his literal blindness helped.)

Can you imagine the reaction of a typical Citadel paper-pusher to finding a marriage certificate for Rhaegar and Lyanna? "Hmmm... that's odd. Filed under S when it should have been under T. Well, we'll fix that soon enough!"

If Sam can cut through all that volume and inertia, he might find ways to beat not only the Others, but also greyscale, wildfire, Frankenmountain, dragons, dragon infertility, and a host of other challenges.

Assuming nobody cheated the wildfire...
Lyanna Stark (vision) 1-10 DEAD FOR TWENTY YEARS
High Sparrow 1-2 DEAD
Septa Unella 1-2 BETTER OFF DEAD
Lancel Lannister and anonymous FM devotees 1-2 DEAD*1000
Walder Frey, his heirs and successors 1-2 DEAD*3
Loras Tyrell 1-1 DEAD
Grand Maester Pycelle 1-1 DEAD
Kevan Lannister 3-2 DEAD
Tommen Baratheon 2-1 DEAD
Melisandre of Assha'i 2-1 EXILED
Margaery Tyrell 4-1 DEAD
Euron Greyjoy 8-1 NOT SEEN
Davos Seaworth 10-1 ALIVE

In comment 13010491 pjcas18 said:

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So who is Daenerys third husband? Are there odds? Jon Snow? Littlefinger? Jamie Lannister? Aegon/Young Griff? Daario? Tyrion? Other? Asha/Yara?

Don't rule out Jorah.

did I miss where he left the goddman sword before entering the library? He didn't have it when he went to meet the clerk, no?

"Should have been Loras down in the cellar. He would've known how to blow out that candle "

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Don't rule out Jorah.

If Daenerys were going to marry a landless sellsword, it might as well be Daario. Jorah is equally penniless, much older, fatally ill, and very unlikely to reclaim his ancestral seat. Bear Island is in excellent (if tiny) hands.

I like Jorah's chances of beating the grayscale, and Iain Glen is way better-looking than book Jorah. But he's not exactly marriage material. Captain of the Queensguard? Absolutely. King? Can't see it.

I think someone here described where she ended up from the books, but I don't recall.

In comment 13011495 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Ross said: Quote: Don't rule out Jorah. If Daenerys were going to marry a landless sellsword, it might as well be Daario. Jorah is equally penniless, much older, fatally ill, and very unlikely to reclaim his ancestral seat. Bear Island is in excellent (if tiny) hands. I like Jorah's chances of beating the grayscale, and Iain Glen is way better-looking than book Jorah. But he's not exactly marriage material. Captain of the Queensguard? Absolutely. King? Can't see it.

You obviously thought a lot about the marriage prospect of Jorah.

Since Arya left her training to be an assassin for the Many Face god, how does she still have access to change her face? Does she just kill some random girl on her way to the Frey's, just to steal her face for the kill?

In comment 13011321 RC02XX said:

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In comment 13011305 Chris in Philly said: Quote: In comment 13011228 Shadow said: Quote: Get it on with her Nephew Jon? Targs keep it in the family. How will Jon feel knowing the Mad King was his Grandfather and what he did to the Starks who raised him? How will Sansa react to it? Their is no way the King of the North is a Targ? You think Baelish won't use that? The White Wolf is really a Dragon. Jon did a lot of moping around this season imagine next season when he finds out who he really is Is he the prince that was promised ? You're a fucking weirdo... Too much psychological tempering by the Man when shadow was in the secret world of spies.

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Since Arya left her training to be an assassin for the Many Face god, how does she still have access to change her face? Does she just kill some random girl on her way to the Frey's, just to steal her face for the kill?

We're so beyond the books with the Arya storyline at this point. No way to answer that.

Spreads through touch. Even if cured which is unlikely I doubt she marries jorah

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Since Arya left her training to be an assassin for the Many Face god, how does she still have access to change her face? Does she just kill some random girl on her way to the Frey's, just to steal her face for the kill?

I don't know. But if I Arya I would have kept that girl's face. She was way cuter. Better figure too but I didn't see Arya pull off her entire skin and adipose parts, so I'm a bit puzzled on that issue.

what the faces for. They transform you into that person. Not only do you look like the faces owner, but you feel what they felt etc...

Looked at Jamie multiple times. I wonder if she thought of killing him too.

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what the faces for. They transform you into that person. Not only do you look like the faces owner, but you feel what they felt etc...

So, if Arya takes the face of a whore, is she still a virgin?

she'd be a dirty slut and love every minute of it.

Powder from the Temple when when she was blind. could be a spell for the faces, like the necklace makes the red witch look young?

In comment 13011572 pjcas18 said:

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Spreads through touch. Even if cured which is unlikely I doubt she marries jorah

Well Stannis' daughter had greyscale and they not only stopped it from spreading on her, but it wasn't contagious

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In comment 13011572 pjcas18 said: Quote: Spreads through touch. Even if cured which is unlikely I doubt she marries jorah Well Stannis' daughter had greyscale and they not only stopped it from spreading on her, but it wasn't contagious

if they catch it early and treat it sometimes they can stop the spreading, do you really think the queen of the seven kingdoms (or future queen of the seven kingdoms) is going to take that chance for Jorah Mormont? Who is as mentioned a penniless sellsword pretty much.

can hope for is a noble sacrificial death.

In comment 13011642 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13011635 Amtoft said: Quote: In comment 13011572 pjcas18 said: Quote: Spreads through touch. Even if cured which is unlikely I doubt she marries jorah Well Stannis' daughter had greyscale and they not only stopped it from spreading on her, but it wasn't contagious if they catch it early and treat it sometimes they can stop the spreading, do you really think the queen of the seven kingdoms (or future queen of the seven kingdoms) is going to take that chance for Jorah Mormont? Who is as mentioned a penniless sellsword pretty much.

No he doesn't stand a chance, but not because of the grayscale. That isn't the issue.

In comment 13011739 Amtoft said:

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In comment 13011642 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13011635 Amtoft said: Quote: In comment 13011572 pjcas18 said: Quote: Spreads through touch. Even if cured which is unlikely I doubt she marries jorah Well Stannis' daughter had greyscale and they not only stopped it from spreading on her, but it wasn't contagious if they catch it early and treat it sometimes they can stop the spreading, do you really think the queen of the seven kingdoms (or future queen of the seven kingdoms) is going to take that chance for Jorah Mormont? Who is as mentioned a penniless sellsword pretty much. No he doesn't stand a chance, but not because of the grayscale. That isn't the issue.

it definitely doesn't help his case. in fact if there were no other reasons pretty sure that would be enough of one.q

He's not actually her type, but he does have a really big...
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seems like I missed something important there. Did I, or just something to say Sam made it somewhere?

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He's not actually her type, but he does have a really big... . . . ... fleet.

To where would she be sailing?

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seems like I missed something important there. Did I, or just something to say Sam made it somewhere?

At this point, it's only value seems like it would be confirming Jon's lineage or finding something key about killing WW's.

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In comment 13011929 Andy in Halifax said: Quote: seems like I missed something important there. Did I, or just something to say Sam made it somewhere? At this point, it's only value seems like it would be confirming Jon's lineage or finding something key about killing WW's.

I think it's almost certainly going to be some secret about the WW's.

Did anyone catch that link on the other thread about the chandeliers? Pretty cool.

I saw someone point out on another site that Yohn Royce raised his sword to Jon as well. Which means he's declared the entire Vale army to Jon Snow. They didn't attack the Boltons because of Littlefinger. They did so because of Robyn, led by Yohn Royce. I don't think for a second he can manipulate Sansa into hurting Jon. She herself said you'd be a fool to trust him. I'm pretty curious to see what the plan for him is in season 7. I don't see much of a way forward.

A pretty cool thing one of the reviewers picked up on is Littlefinger and Ned have reversed roles in the political game. Ned came South and had no idea what the politics were because he's used to honor and living by a code and messed up because of it. Littleinger came North and had the same thing happen. Had no clue the Northern Lords would do that because he's used to the bribery and backstabbing of the South.

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I saw someone point out on another site that Yohn Royce raised his sword to Jon as well. Which means he's declared the entire Vale army to Jon Snow.

Although Royce was in command for the attack on the Bolton army at Winterfell, he isn't Lord of the Eyrie, Defender of the Vale, Warden of the East or any of the other fancy titles that entitle Robin/Robert to make bad men fly.

Strictly speaking, wouldn't bending the knee to Jon as King in the North break House Royce's oath of fealty to the Aerie? Littlefinger threatened to turn Robin against Yohn Royce earlier in the season. He might make good on the threat in 2017, after securing the support of other Vale Lords.

I went back and watched and that person was definitely correct. Royce is standing up with his sword shouting King in the North. I don't know how else to take this other than he'd pledged House Royce and House Royce's military to Jon Snow. And in the show they've played him up as basically the main leader of the Vale forces. Though, maybe it means nothing in the show version in the grand scheme of things and was just a face that people might recognize. It's probably as simple as that.

I mean as in commander and militarily speaking not as in can give them orders on who to or not to attack.

He's tried training him but several times, we've seen this is a lost cause.

Earlier in season 6, when Robin almost threw Royce through the moon door. I think that is when Royce's illusion of ever "tutoring" Robin into a leader that the Vale needed, pretty much ended.

Now that Royce was the Jon Snow's presence and saw all the northern Lord swear allegiance to their King of the North. I think Royce simply just wants to follow a leader a believes in and he believes in Jon over a little twerp who almost threw him to his death.

but the chandelier thing that we've seen in the opening that was in the library, wtf? In the opening it looks like it can maybe somehow be "activated"? Anyway being that it's a library can the lenses when activated be a way to sort through all the books? Like each one is dedicated to a certain part of the world's history and you can find books on that topic through the lens? Who the f knows, but thought I would throw it out there. Just like Jon Snow I know nothing.

Light that can end winter and kill the army of the dead.

Is that its mostly filled with the works of Maesters.

The written history did not start until long after the andals had conquered and even then it was only recorded in the main areas of interest and activity.

It was long after the children. The first men. The long night and the age of heroes. Pretty much all of the world wonders of Westeros predate all recorded history. There's legends spoken down the ages, but nothing reliable.

The Citadel is built on a structure that's included in those wonders, but how much of that does Sam have to discover before the Nights army marches south?

Sam doesn't have enough time to train.