I personally disagree with a few of her postulations (3 QBs, 5 RBs, and only 8 DBs) but she's a keen observer and always worth reading.
She has LaCosse and Adams making it as TEs and Donnell waived bye bye.
Re 8 DBs she figures safety Jackson has the ability to play CB in a pinch.
Traina's early 53... - (
New Window )
Spare me the "another team may sign him away to their 53.." BS
I cannot see 3 QBs.
I would not be surprised to see Donnell let go but he is also a big red zone threat for us and adds size to a very small WR corps. The TE position might be the most competitive position this summer.
Lets say they did go with the defensive backfield that was posted in the article, I think Daeyton would survive on our PS because of his size and if we needed him then we could always promote him. I wonder if Thompson could be stashed on the PS as well and be promoted if necessary. I really don't see a lot of teams that would be eager to sign these players to their active roster.
As for what was said, I can't see three qb's, 5 RB's, or Whitlock making the team....
That's too bad, B. Could you help me out though even if you're not a fan? When did I ever write the Steelers would pick up Cruz?
As for what was said, I can't see three qb's, 5 RB's, or Whitlock making the team....
Doomster: I get the lack of love for slide shows, but when we do longer articles that require X nubmerof words to justify the point being made, we have to break it up into slides.
B, I realize it's not personal so no worries. I don't expect people to like or agree with everything I write, and I'm a big girl, I can take criticism.
Granted I've written a lot over my career, but I cannot remember writing that Cruz would go to Pittsburgh, and I thin I would remember that. Are you certain you don't have me confused with someone else?
The first, as ESPN’s Ed Werder pointed out, has to do with Steelers’ receiver Emmanuel Sanders, whom the Patriots signed to an offer sheet. If the Steelers, who have already lost Mike Wallace in free agency, are unable to match the Patriots’ offer sheet to Sanders, they will become very thin at receiver and they could perhaps look toward Cruz as a potential replacement. However, the Steelers reportedly only have a little less than $2 million of cap space, and might not be able to afford to match what Cruz is reportedly seeking.
Why Victor Cruz Might Not Report To The Giants' Offseason Program - ( New Window )
But Pats post was prefaced with a statement like,"Guys, guys, guys...Here's what's going to happen." I immediately countered after reading it and do not recall a reply.
It was oddly arrogant and superbly uninformed. Struck me as a complete turn off and I have yet to read anything from Pat to alter my opinion. But I'll keep an open mind I suppose.
Pat didn't suggest that the 3rd QB would be Logan Thomas. Quite specifically she suggested another QB who would be cut from another team...
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At this point, you might be asking, why doesn’t Cruz just sign the one-year tender that’s currently on the table from the Giants? Two reasons.
The first, as ESPN’s Ed Werder pointed out, has to do with Steelers’ receiver Emmanuel Sanders, whom the Patriots signed to an offer sheet. If the Steelers, who have already lost Mike Wallace in free agency, are unable to match the Patriots’ offer sheet to Sanders, they will become very thin at receiver and they could perhaps look toward Cruz as a potential replacement. However, the Steelers reportedly only have a little less than $2 million of cap space, and might not be able to afford to match what Cruz is reportedly seeking.
Why Victor Cruz Might Not Report To The Giants' Offseason Program - ( New Window )
Ah yes. But I wrote COULD not WOULD. Big difference.
Lets say they did go with the defensive backfield that was posted in the article, I think Daeyton would survive on our PS because of his size and if we needed him then we could always promote him. I wonder if Thompson could be stashed on the PS as well and be promoted if necessary. I really don't see a lot of teams that would be eager to sign these players to their active roster.
At this time, few of the beats think the Giants will keep Whitlock. Part of the logic behind keeping 5 RBs is that Darkwa is a better STs player than Whitlock...
But Pats post was prefaced with a statement like,"Guys, guys, guys...Here's what's going to happen." I immediately countered after reading it and do not recall a reply.
It was oddly arrogant and superbly uninformed. Struck me as a complete turn off and I have yet to read anything from Pat to alter my opinion. But I'll keep an open mind I suppose.
B, I don't know where you are seeing arrogance. If I said "Guys, guys," then someone probably mistook COULD for WILL.
How is my thinking out loud and giving a potential scenario any different than what goes on here on BBI?
if you get to camp this year, let me know. You'll find I don't have an arrogant bone in my body and I'm actually one of the more friendly writers you'll come across, at least that's what enough people have told me.
And you might find if you read some more of my stuff that I think outside the box and actually do have a clue about what I'm talking about sometimes. ;)
If they go with 3 QBs, I strongly suspect the 3rd guy isn't on the roster yet.
This can all be easily put on 1 web page with perhaps shaded boxes around the different positions discussed.
A few Next --> are not so bad but it should be limited to 3 max, IMO.
The individual player choices seem fine, though spots like the fifth DE and the fourth DT will obviously be decided in camp. Just replace the third QB and the fifth RB with backups at CB and SLB - especially since Kennard hasn't been a model of durability.
At running back, I figure either one of the top three guys will get hurt, or two of the other three legit contenders (Williams, Darkwa, Rainey) will get cut. Rainey is quality depth, nothing more. Williams and Darkwa have more upside, but they also have more to prove. None of those three guys is worth carrying as a healthy inactive, so special teams might be the deciding factor.
Three QBs? I'd put the probability at less than 10%. As Pat says, it would almost certainly be somebody who isn't here yet. Thomas could stick around on the practice squad. Carrying him on the roster as a third QB (to groom him for the future) would be pointless: he would never play, there's little market for him elsewhere, and the year of credited service would apparently qualify him for restricted free agency in 2017.
Personally, I think the Giants will keep auditioning QBs - adding them to the camp roster, cutting them, replacing them, and cycling them through the practice squad all through the regular season - until they find one or two that are worth keeping around to compete for Nassib's job next year. If they find somebody they genuinely like, they might elevate him to the roster later in the season, as a replacement for an injured player at another position. Carrying a third QB on the active roster all year would be pretty weird.
5 RBs at a position where typically only 1 of them is on the field, and never more than 2?
8 DBs plus 6 LBs when in the case of the extreme prevent defense you typically have only 3 DL (and sometimes only 2) you need 8 or even 9 players at those positions?
As far as Quinn's coverage units are concerned I do think Pat has a point regarding Darkwa in particular (Feagles said he's a great STs guy) and maybe Williams are concerned. Also perhaps Jerrel Adams and Jeremy Davis are viable members of kick and punt coverage teams... but that remains to be seen. You would think that individuals like LB Kevin Shepard, safeties Jackson and Berhe, and mabe a 5th or 6th CB might be better options on coverage units. Even Herzlich is a tough cut when you weight his STs coverage roles.
As far as B's evaluation of Pat goes, I have never had the pleasure of meeting her, but her mentor and predecessor at Inside Football was a close friend and would NEVER have passed her his mantle if she was either arrogant or not extremely knowledgeable about the game.
My 2 cents.
Looking forward to your player interviews during training camp Pat. IMO you do those better than anyone.
Spare me the "another team may sign him away to their 53.." BS
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In keeping 3 QBs. If Eli gets hurt we are fucked. If Nassib gets hurt they can sign a QB in November whose no different then Logan Thomas.
Pat didn't suggest that the 3rd QB would be Logan Thomas. Quite specifically she suggested another QB who would be cut from another team...
BlueLou - Even Less likely to happen. What young and up & coming QB is getting cut that the Giants would feel worthy of a roster spot, who missed ALL OF Giants CAMP? Makes no sense.
Fair enough. Thanks for the feedback.
Personally, I think the Giants will keep auditioning QBs - adding them to the camp roster, cutting them, replacing them, and cycling them through the practice squad all through the regular season - until they find one or two that are worth keeping around to compete for Nassib's job next year. If they find somebody they genuinely like, they might elevate him to the roster later in the season, as a replacement for an injured player at another position. Carrying a third QB on the active roster all year would be pretty weird.
Bolger, this is why I cringe when these assignments come up. I'd much rather wait to see the injury situation and how camp plays out than to sit here and do this type of guesswork now,
As for a 3rd QB, unless something has changed, that is something they seem to want to do. They tried to claim Mettenberger off waivers, but that didn't work out. I do agree with whoever wrote that if 3rd QB is indeed in the plans, he's probably not out there yet. I also know that the injury status will dictate where they can carry a luxury and where they can't so we shall see how it unfolds.
ZZ: thats why if you add a 3rd QB, you don't put him on the field until he's ready to go or unless you have to. But you get him on board now and let him watch film and go through the in-season meetings. That puts him ahead of the curve over someone you sign in January,
Thanks Doomster. I don't always agree with the opinions that I see either, but I never did get why some people feel the need to get worked up over an opinion.
I think guys who are struggling and unhappy vent here and find the anonymous attack to be enabling and uplifting.
That is , of course, not a universal condemnation but a coarse generalization. The "put down" requires little skill and is the great equalizer.
I think it would be difficult to cut Larry Donnell. He has the best size among the TEs and has come through in some big spots. In terms of receiving threats, he looks to me like the best we have on the roster and could see him becoming a big part of the offense. I realize Tye did well statistically filling in for him last year and will probably make the roster. But in watching them play, Donnell just looks the better player to me. I think LaCosse would have to really show something to knock Donnell off the roster. Adams will probably be given a chance as draft pick, but he is a long way from contributing much, IMO.
While I agree, we also don't know how the new HC might differ in his approach to the roster make-up.
BB'56: They haven't been in a position to carry 3 QBs due to injuries. If this team cones through healthy to where they don't have to carry an extra player at a spot, don't be stunned to see three quarterbacks make the roster.
Uber, if Donnell suffers a stinger or any type of injury in his neck, don't count on him making the roster. We saw this with Wilson and with McClain. Now hopefully Donnell comes through fine, but his challenge is going to be to stop letting tacklers spin him around to where he lands on his head. He and I spoke at length about that--will have that in a blog bit coming up.
Thanks Acid. I'm always fine with the debate so long as it doesn't turn personal.
I cannot see 3 QBs.
I would not be surprised to see Donnell let go but he is also a big red zone threat for us and adds size to a very small WR corps. The TE position might be the most competitive position this summer.
I believe Darkwa is PS eligible, but he'd need to pass through waivers and I doubt he makes it through.
I've liked Patti's work over the years. She writes well and I enjoy her current report-type pieces. But, I also don't read any slide-show pieces and her more article type pieces nowadays I get turned off by the constant PFF this and PFF that. Is there a relationship there? But other than that no complaints. She's been good to us since the beginning and I can only recall one other time I had negative thoughts and that goes years back to before bbi was bbi.
Nope, no relationship. In fact, I've moved away from using their grades and have used the raw data which I then blend into my own calculations.
I've also been trying to cut back on slide shows. They take longer to write. But if they're requested by the boss, you have to deliver.
With so many variables who knows how final 53 ends......if 3 QBs are kept......I see 3rd guy as mobile guy.....emulates Cam Newton in practice types.
Keep it coming.
I doubt it though.
I don't think they keep 4 TE's, especially if Will Johnson is one of them, unless he's being included but is a FB too or more of an H-Back (didn't read that slide)
I love the fact Patti has Kelvin Sheppard getting cut since after he was signed we had some people on here going nuts about how much of an impact he'd have and when I mentioned he was a jag or worse and his salary is non-guaranteed, league vet min, and less than Herzlich (that's how much the Giants loved him) and he might not even make the team I was verbally assaulted.
I expect drafting Goodson ended Sheppard on the Giants unless there are injuries.
scenario with Pit and Cruz.....?
I doubt it though.
I don't think they keep 4 TE's, especially if Will Johnson is one of them, unless he's being included but is a FB too or more of an H-Back (didn't read that slide)
I love the fact Patti has Kelvin Sheppard getting cut since after he was signed we had some people on here going nuts about how much of an impact he'd have and when I mentioned he was a jag or worse and his salary is non-guaranteed, league vet min, and less than Herzlich (that's how much the Giants loved him) and he might not even make the team I was verbally assaulted.
I expect drafting Goodson ended Sheppard on the Giants unless there are injuries.
PJ, in all earnestly,how often have you seen Sheppard play during his career? The sad fact is that the majority of starting linebackers in the NFL would be upgrades to a number of LBs the Giants have employed as starters recently. And are you familiar with his STs play? Pretty sure that was one reason they signed Casillas at least.
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I think it would be difficult to cut Larry Donnell.
Uber, if Donnell suffers a stinger or any type of injury in his neck, don't count on him making the roster.
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but the one reason it could happen is exactly what Patti says, Nassib is a FA after the season, so the Giants might find value in grooming his backup QB replacement. But it would need to be a veteran or the PS makes more sense.
I doubt it though.
I don't think they keep 4 TE's, especially if Will Johnson is one of them, unless he's being included but is a FB too or more of an H-Back (didn't read that slide)
I love the fact Patti has Kelvin Sheppard getting cut since after he was signed we had some people on here going nuts about how much of an impact he'd have and when I mentioned he was a jag or worse and his salary is non-guaranteed, league vet min, and less than Herzlich (that's how much the Giants loved him) and he might not even make the team I was verbally assaulted.
I expect drafting Goodson ended Sheppard on the Giants unless there are injuries.
PJ, in all earnestly,how often have you seen Sheppard play during his career? The sad fact is that the majority of starting linebackers in the NFL would be upgrades to a number of LBs the Giants have employed as starters recently. And are you familiar with his STs play? Pretty sure that was one reason they signed Casillas at least.
rarely have I seen him play. the Giants Dolphins game most recently. but my point was more about a 5 year veteran on his 4th team, who was rarely a starter, being paid next to nothing with less guarantees than camp fodder Bobby Rainey.
it was a conclusion based more on "other" details than football acumen.
Casillas and JT Thomas I felt were jags pretty much and the Giants signed them both to "real" deals when the cap was a real concern, yet geave Sheppard league vet min when salary cap wasn't.
I was never impressed with Sheppard, but my conclusions were not made solely based on the on-field play.
Nice article Pat